It may not & it may very well matter alot if it (along with other factors) helps create &/or strengthen their belief that it was Z who confronted Martin instead of the other way around as Z has said. Z's story & it's believability will very much be on trial along with him -
The only thing that matters is when Zimmerman shot Trayvon did he feel a reasonable threat of death or serious injury ?
He said he did ...what is there to disprove that ...
Who knows - maybe nothing definitively but I doubt we know all they have & a jury can do anything they want provided it's within legal parameters & the judge's instructions. Even with all the pressure & notoriety of this case, I doubt she will bring charges unless she thinks she has a decent chance to convict. And if you don't think what the jury believes & thinks (whether you think it should matter legally or not) about the totatality of things & how well it hangs together, you're livin in a textbook/classroom fantasy, lol.
Who knows - maybe nothing definitively but I doubt we know all they have & a jury can do anything they want provided it's within legal parameters & the judge's instructions. Even with all the pressure & notoriety of this case, I doubt she will bring charges unless she thinks she has a decent chance to convict. And if you don't think what the jury believes & thinks (whether you think it should matter legally or not) about the totatality of things & how well it hangs together, you're livin in a textbook/classroom fantasy, lol.
We probably don't know all they have ...and I feel you are correct she will not bring charges unless there is a reeeeal good chance to convict ...so at this point no charges... no need for a jury or a judges instructions ..
hitting the bunk ..later Cashin.
Oh yeah ! Thanks for that good bedtime tune last week ..That was special..
No prob & we'll see. Yeah, Guy Clark is 1 of the best storytellers around - a true TX treasure
Who knows, maybe she won't bring charges but my feeling is she will. And if they have good reason to believe he lied in his statement to police, imo they should & let a jury decide. Obviously, he still would have all his rights & the presumption of innocence...
It may not & it may very well matter alot if it (along with other factors) helps create &/or strengthen their belief that it was Z who confronted Martin instead of the other way around as Z has said. Z's story & it's believability will very much be on trial along with him -
It WILL NOT matter what the girlfriend said IF what Mr. Crump said she said is true.
According to him, they each asked each other a question and then the scuffling started. People on Trayvons side will say that they heard Zimmerman hit Martin...No evidence for that. People on Zimmermans side will say that Trayvon decked Zimmerman...based on police reports of Zimmerman bleeding from front of his melon and back...there IS evidence of that.
There should be NO doubt that Zimmerman was the one screeming by now based on testimony of 'John' who lives right above the scene of the altercation. Anybody who doesn't believe that by now is a complete idiot.
My gut feeling tells me that the initial investigation by the cops on the scene saw and heard enough to believe that there wasn't enough evidence or witness statements to significantly contradict Zimmermans account of what happened.
Furthermore, I am appauled to see that there are soo many on here that given what we know, would want to even send Zimmerman to an unpredictable jury to 'find out what happened'
I believe it is a prosecutors responsiblity to make sure that Americans don't have to spend THOUSANDS of dollars to defend themselves from a case that had no business getting that far to begin with. If defendants were reimbursed for their legal defense when aquitted that would be different. Jury's DO get verdicts wrong from time to time and that is very scary on this case since there is so much bs from the left on this case and very few people have not heard of this case.
This isn't some kind of Nanci Pelosi 'pass the bill so we can see whats in it' kind of thing and irresponsible for people to think that way.
I'm going out on a limb to say that Angela Corey will soon be in hiding once she announces that NO charges will be filed.
Pretty funny coming from the guy that has no balls to even pick a side on this. You claim to be a smart guy...why the cowardly behavior?
I believe cashin, depeche2 and moneysrh are wrong on this but at least they had the balls to pick a side and make a case for it.
You really think I give a fuck if I get a handjob or not? I've damn near singlehandedly argued what I believe with multiple people and been very comfortable doing so.
Maybe you just spend so much time annoying people that you now are a bit more sensitive as to what you might say to annoy people further.
Don't you have to go on Alias patrol or somthing? Again.
Its too bad that witnesses, phone records, ballistics, and statements were not sought on the evening this occurred because the truth in either direction may never be known as a result. Nothing taints evidence like time.
djbrow,
there is no dispute that witness statements were collected the night of the shooting. They are detailed in the police report which is available online.
Ballistics will be a part of the autopsy report. (Note: ‘Where is the gun used in this case?" “We have the gun. It is being checked for ballistics,” Lee stated)
Ballistics will showt he shot that killed Martin was from less than 12 inches from the body.
So I'm not sure what you mean by those comments?
The only thing that matters is when Zimmerman shot Trayvon did he feel a reasonable threat of death or serious injury ?
He said he did ...what is there to disprove that ...
"I suspect that there is some evidence we just don't know about, because no prosecutor in a high-profile case wants to walk into court and not be able to prove each and every count beyond a reasonable doubt," Hostin said. "You don't want to lose so publicly."
Although details of the evening shooting remain murky, what is known is that Martin ventured out from his father's fiancee's home in Sanford to a nearby convenience store, where he bought a bag of Skittles and an Arizona Ice Tea. On his way back, he had a confrontation with Zimmerman, who is Hispanic, and Zimmerman shot him.
They both could've been standing their ground legally at some point.
I'm not a scrapper by any means but I have been in a couple of fights back in jr high school. ( In High school my shoulders broadened and I subsequently had no more fights ) When I was in a fight, the other person or myself tapped out and that was the end of it.
If Zimmerman was truely getting his head slammed into the sidewalk that goes beyond the scope of just a fight.
In my mind, if he bloodied Zimmermans nose and knocked him to the ground, he no longer should have reasonably fealt threatened.
They both could've been standing their ground legally at some point.
I'm not a scrapper by any means but I have been in a couple of fights back in jr high school. ( In High school my shoulders broadened and I subsequently had no more fights ) When I was in a fight, the other person or myself tapped out and that was the end of it.
If Zimmerman was truely getting his head slammed into the sidewalk that goes beyond the scope of just a fight.
In my mind, if he bloodied Zimmermans nose and knocked him to the ground, he no longer should have reasonably fealt threatened.
Hopefully, this case will at least help lead to either repealing the SYG statute (since self-defense as an affirmative defense already exists) or at least revising or modifying it. It was not created for situations like this at all & has a myriad of possible unintended consequences within scenarios which play out on a regular basis.
Hutch is right in that none of us knows what the prosecution has or what exactly happened from when/how the confrontation began to when Martin was shot dead. Believe it or not, I have some compassion for Z & both families, but the fact remains that Z chose to use deadly force (whether he snapped or not) & a 17 yr old kid who was doing nothing wrong is dead. Life has to be protected as precious & sacred and nowadays it's not treated or thought of as such all too often. To use deadly force is a huge responsibility & has to be accounted for.
My guess is the prosecution will punch large holes in Z's story & already know they can do it without much question. The girlfriends testimony will likely be big in that & regardless of how the fight started & who was on top when, I would think they believe they can convince a jury that the last screams came from Martin. Beyond that, I don't think a jury will buy that Z had any other alternative but to use his gun to prevent death or serious bodily injury AT THE TIME he pointed his gun & killed Martin. There have been NO witnesses that we know of so far that have even said they saw Z's head being slammed into concrete or that they were any closer than 4/5 ft to the sidewalk when they were fighting or when the shot was fired or had to have been fired. All Z has is a couple abrasions & some bleeding to support that even happened, but in itself shows & proves nothing in terms of justified self defense even under Fl's SYG statute.
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