be easy - forgot what I was gonna say about change & the 1st paragraph. Because of those things, the kinda change you're talking about in Wash comes very slowly & combined with the immediate economic pressure/scrutiny & public anger over the bailouts, etc, not sure what you thought you were gonna see in the 1st 2/3 mos. But there's certainly a change in the thinking, attitude, willingness to communicate & openness in general from GWB days & that's a start -
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be easy - forgot what I was gonna say about change & the 1st paragraph. Because of those things, the kinda change you're talking about in Wash comes very slowly & combined with the immediate economic pressure/scrutiny & public anger over the bailouts, etc, not sure what you thought you were gonna see in the 1st 2/3 mos. But there's certainly a change in the thinking, attitude, willingness to communicate & openness in general from GWB days & that's a start -
But there's certainly a change in the thinking, attitude, willingness
to communicate & openness in general from GWB days & that's a
start - ------------- no there isnt
did you have time to read the stimulus bill? omnibus bill? nope...neither did your representative
they are still bailing out banks and aig and autos may be coming to an end and hats good
cashin - do you like how barry is refusing to take TARP money back from big banks to keep control? (see drudge)...scary shit
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But there's certainly a change in the thinking, attitude, willingness
to communicate & openness in general from GWB days & that's a
start - ------------- no there isnt
did you have time to read the stimulus bill? omnibus bill? nope...neither did your representative
they are still bailing out banks and aig and autos may be coming to an end and hats good
cashin - do you like how barry is refusing to take TARP money back from big banks to keep control? (see drudge)...scary shit
koaj - if you can't see a difference between Bush & Obama, I can't help you there
Fine with me if they let the auto companies go under - they don't deserve to be bailed out IMO
Don't know enough about the TARP $$ thing to comment, but I'd be careful in taking opinions & (mis?)leading info from Drudge and others (who consistently need breaking & so-called inside info to maintain their rep) as gospel.
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koaj - if you can't see a difference between Bush & Obama, I can't help you there
Fine with me if they let the auto companies go under - they don't deserve to be bailed out IMO
Don't know enough about the TARP $$ thing to comment, but I'd be careful in taking opinions & (mis?)leading info from Drudge and others (who consistently need breaking & so-called inside info to maintain their rep) as gospel.
But there's certainly a change in the thinking, attitude, willingness to communicate & openness in general from GWB days & that's a start - ------------- no there isnt
did you have time to read the stimulus bill? omnibus bill? nope...neither did your representative
they are still bailing out banks and aig and autos may be coming to an end and hats good
cashin - do you like how barry is refusing to take TARP money back from big banks to keep control? (see drudge)...scary shit
very scary. this guy is big trouble.
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Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:
But there's certainly a change in the thinking, attitude, willingness to communicate & openness in general from GWB days & that's a start - ------------- no there isnt
did you have time to read the stimulus bill? omnibus bill? nope...neither did your representative
they are still bailing out banks and aig and autos may be coming to an end and hats good
cashin - do you like how barry is refusing to take TARP money back from big banks to keep control? (see drudge)...scary shit
Neanderthal obsession with Barack Obama’s use of a Telerompter. I don’t really quite get this, although perhaps it somehow makes them feel slightly better about having supported a president for eight years for whom proper English was a foreign language. But, talk about the ridiculous hypocrisy of this critique, over and beyond its absurdity (what, are we supposed to believe that Obama is really a dummy because he uses a Teleprompter?).
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Neanderthal obsession with Barack Obama’s use of a Telerompter. I don’t really quite get this, although perhaps it somehow makes them feel slightly better about having supported a president for eight years for whom proper English was a foreign language. But, talk about the ridiculous hypocrisy of this critique, over and beyond its absurdity (what, are we supposed to believe that Obama is really a dummy because he uses a Teleprompter?).
Neanderthal obsession with Barack Obama’s use of a Telerompter. I don’t really quite get this, although perhaps it somehow makes them feel slightly better about having supported a president for eight years for whom proper English was a foreign language. But, talk about the ridiculous hypocrisy of this critique, over and beyond its absurdity (what, are we supposed to believe that Obama is really a dummy because he uses a Teleprompter?).
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Quote Originally Posted by goinggone:
Neanderthal obsession with Barack Obama’s use of a Telerompter. I don’t really quite get this, although perhaps it somehow makes them feel slightly better about having supported a president for eight years for whom proper English was a foreign language. But, talk about the ridiculous hypocrisy of this critique, over and beyond its absurdity (what, are we supposed to believe that Obama is really a dummy because he uses a Teleprompter?).
Neanderthal obsession with Barack Obama’s use of a Telerompter. I don’t really quite get this, although perhaps it somehow makes them feel slightly better about having supported a president for eight years for whom proper English was a foreign language. But, talk about the ridiculous hypocrisy of this critique, over and beyond its absurdity (what, are we supposed to believe that Obama is really a dummy because he uses a Teleprompter?).
sorry esplanade, but he's right.
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Quote Originally Posted by goinggone:
Neanderthal obsession with Barack Obama’s use of a Telerompter. I don’t really quite get this, although perhaps it somehow makes them feel slightly better about having supported a president for eight years for whom proper English was a foreign language. But, talk about the ridiculous hypocrisy of this critique, over and beyond its absurdity (what, are we supposed to believe that Obama is really a dummy because he uses a Teleprompter?).
You can ridicule my position all you'd like BUT if you can not see a correlation between the ability to speak intelligently off the cuff (ie not relying on a teleprompter) and the ability to make difficult decisions under fire in one of the world's most important positions, then I can't help you. Barry goes one step worse though, because even with his Blanky, I mean prompter he stutters and stammers like an absolute fool. Linus simply can't read the gigantic characters on his prompter, an abject embarassment. He is the lip synch president, the Milli-Vanilli of politicians.
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You can ridicule my position all you'd like BUT if you can not see a correlation between the ability to speak intelligently off the cuff (ie not relying on a teleprompter) and the ability to make difficult decisions under fire in one of the world's most important positions, then I can't help you. Barry goes one step worse though, because even with his Blanky, I mean prompter he stutters and stammers like an absolute fool. Linus simply can't read the gigantic characters on his prompter, an abject embarassment. He is the lip synch president, the Milli-Vanilli of politicians.
esplanade - Obama speaks intelligently off the cuff all the time. Sorry you mistake someone choosing their words carefully to try to convey a clearer meaning for stuttering & stammering like a fool as GWB was prone to do. That's what open, bright & intelligent folks with a good grasp of the issues can do, think on the fly & try to give a deeper understanding of what & how they think rather than an emotional (if not defensive) statement or 2 while stuttering uncomfortably & looking at their questioner as if their an idiot for not understanding (or even questioning anything) their saying and/or resorting to a quip, smirk & a wink.
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esplanade - Obama speaks intelligently off the cuff all the time. Sorry you mistake someone choosing their words carefully to try to convey a clearer meaning for stuttering & stammering like a fool as GWB was prone to do. That's what open, bright & intelligent folks with a good grasp of the issues can do, think on the fly & try to give a deeper understanding of what & how they think rather than an emotional (if not defensive) statement or 2 while stuttering uncomfortably & looking at their questioner as if their an idiot for not understanding (or even questioning anything) their saying and/or resorting to a quip, smirk & a wink.
esplanade - Obama speaks intelligently off the cuff all the time. <show me one link, one time, one youtube clip...you wont find one> Sorry you mistake someone choosing their words carefully to try to convey a clearer meaning for stuttering & stammering like a fool as GWB was prone to do. That's what open, bright & intelligent folks with a good grasp of the issues can do, think on the fly & try to give a deeper understanding of what & how they think rather than an emotional (if not defensive) statement or 2 while stuttering uncomfortably & looking at their questioner as if their an idiot for not understanding (or even questioning anything) their saying and/or resorting to a quip, smirk & a wink.
dear lord youve drinken a lot of kool aid
not once have i defended GWB....Barry stammers around using big professorial words and acts like he knows what's up but he hasnt a clue
Obama understands what Rahm, Nancy, Tim, and Axelrod tell him to understand
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Quote Originally Posted by cashin:
esplanade - Obama speaks intelligently off the cuff all the time. <show me one link, one time, one youtube clip...you wont find one> Sorry you mistake someone choosing their words carefully to try to convey a clearer meaning for stuttering & stammering like a fool as GWB was prone to do. That's what open, bright & intelligent folks with a good grasp of the issues can do, think on the fly & try to give a deeper understanding of what & how they think rather than an emotional (if not defensive) statement or 2 while stuttering uncomfortably & looking at their questioner as if their an idiot for not understanding (or even questioning anything) their saying and/or resorting to a quip, smirk & a wink.
dear lord youve drinken a lot of kool aid
not once have i defended GWB....Barry stammers around using big professorial words and acts like he knows what's up but he hasnt a clue
Obama understands what Rahm, Nancy, Tim, and Axelrod tell him to understand
Sometimes it what you say, that is more important ,than how elegant you say it .....knowing what you are talking about.
Obama speech in Strasbourg, France:
It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There’s a lot of — I don’t know what the term is in Austrian — wheeling and dealing — and, you know, people are pursuing their interests, and everybody has their own particular issues and their own particular politics.
Austrians speak German and Italian primarily, as well as French — However, none of them speak Austrian, because it doesn’t exist.
Start listening to the words of the song,and not just the music.
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Sometimes it what you say, that is more important ,than how elegant you say it .....knowing what you are talking about.
Obama speech in Strasbourg, France:
It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There’s a lot of — I don’t know what the term is in Austrian — wheeling and dealing — and, you know, people are pursuing their interests, and everybody has their own particular issues and their own particular politics.
Austrians speak German and Italian primarily, as well as French — However, none of them speak Austrian, because it doesn’t exist.
Start listening to the words of the song,and not just the music.
Barack Obama, making his first visit to a Muslim nation as president, declared Monday to the Turkish parliment :
“Let me say this as clearly as I can,” Obama said. “The United States is not and never will be at war with Islam. In fact, our partnership with the Muslim world is critical … in rolling back a fringe ideology that people of all faiths reject.”
Pres.G.W.Bush has said this exact same thing clearly many times....except he knew something Obama doesn't , thatis -Islam is at War with us .......
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Barack Obama, making his first visit to a Muslim nation as president, declared Monday to the Turkish parliment :
“Let me say this as clearly as I can,” Obama said. “The United States is not and never will be at war with Islam. In fact, our partnership with the Muslim world is critical … in rolling back a fringe ideology that people of all faiths reject.”
Pres.G.W.Bush has said this exact same thing clearly many times....except he knew something Obama doesn't , thatis -Islam is at War with us .......
koaj - if you'll look, you'll see that post wasn't to you. Actually, I disagree with both you & SS on Obama's speaking. He's articulate, but not overly "elegant" or "professorial" in his wording as some like to say. His vocabulary helps him convey what he's trying to say more clearly instead of distorting the meaning & clarity & that's a good thing.
koaj, I don't see it that way in terms of koolaid gulpin. From what I've read from you, looks like you've taken alot of what you've read about Obama (mom, Alinsky, past associations/Ayres/Rezko/Wright, etc) & came to the conclusion (that now in your mind is being reinforced with the spending & other things that Obama wants - healthcare reform, etc along with other measures regarding AIG/banks/auto cos and other stuff you read from right wing bloggers & articles) that Obama is a slimy, all talk/no substance socialist or marxist that doesn't care at all about the overall welfare of the country - only his agenda which you think you know & understand. It's understandable, but distorted IMO & lacks any kind of objective discernment.
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koaj - if you'll look, you'll see that post wasn't to you. Actually, I disagree with both you & SS on Obama's speaking. He's articulate, but not overly "elegant" or "professorial" in his wording as some like to say. His vocabulary helps him convey what he's trying to say more clearly instead of distorting the meaning & clarity & that's a good thing.
koaj, I don't see it that way in terms of koolaid gulpin. From what I've read from you, looks like you've taken alot of what you've read about Obama (mom, Alinsky, past associations/Ayres/Rezko/Wright, etc) & came to the conclusion (that now in your mind is being reinforced with the spending & other things that Obama wants - healthcare reform, etc along with other measures regarding AIG/banks/auto cos and other stuff you read from right wing bloggers & articles) that Obama is a slimy, all talk/no substance socialist or marxist that doesn't care at all about the overall welfare of the country - only his agenda which you think you know & understand. It's understandable, but distorted IMO & lacks any kind of objective discernment.
koaj - if you'll look, you'll see that post wasn't to you. Actually, I disagree with both you & SS on Obama's speaking. He's articulate, but not overly "elegant" or "professorial" in his wording as some like to say. His vocabulary helps him convey what he's trying to say more clearly instead of distorting the meaning & clarity & that's a good thing.
koaj, I don't see it that way in terms of koolaid gulpin. From what I've read from you, looks like you've taken alot of what you've read about Obama (mom, Alinsky, past associations/Ayres/Rezko/Wright, etc) & came to the conclusion (that now in your mind is being reinforced with the spending & other things that Obama wants - healthcare reform, etc along with other measures regarding AIG/banks/auto cos and other stuff you read from right wing bloggers & articles) that Obama is a slimy, all talk/no substance socialist or marxist that doesn't care at all about the overall welfare of the country - only his agenda which you think you know & understand. It's understandable, but distorted IMO & lacks any kind of objective discernment.
cashin, when KOAJ reads the book I suggested, I think he will have a different song to sing. He's a smart guy, and I'll be interested to hear him counter the arguements made...if not, by the end of the book he may be supporting Harvey's arguments, in which case I'll be really interested to hear his thoughts.
Mark my words ... KOAJ will be a much needed voice from the right...assuming he does actually read the Harvey book
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Quote Originally Posted by cashin:
koaj - if you'll look, you'll see that post wasn't to you. Actually, I disagree with both you & SS on Obama's speaking. He's articulate, but not overly "elegant" or "professorial" in his wording as some like to say. His vocabulary helps him convey what he's trying to say more clearly instead of distorting the meaning & clarity & that's a good thing.
koaj, I don't see it that way in terms of koolaid gulpin. From what I've read from you, looks like you've taken alot of what you've read about Obama (mom, Alinsky, past associations/Ayres/Rezko/Wright, etc) & came to the conclusion (that now in your mind is being reinforced with the spending & other things that Obama wants - healthcare reform, etc along with other measures regarding AIG/banks/auto cos and other stuff you read from right wing bloggers & articles) that Obama is a slimy, all talk/no substance socialist or marxist that doesn't care at all about the overall welfare of the country - only his agenda which you think you know & understand. It's understandable, but distorted IMO & lacks any kind of objective discernment.
cashin, when KOAJ reads the book I suggested, I think he will have a different song to sing. He's a smart guy, and I'll be interested to hear him counter the arguements made...if not, by the end of the book he may be supporting Harvey's arguments, in which case I'll be really interested to hear his thoughts.
Mark my words ... KOAJ will be a much needed voice from the right...assuming he does actually read the Harvey book
however with our current national debt his goals are impossible. we have no way of paying for any of this without massively raising taxes on everyone which of course would kill any economic recovery
if his tax plans are no good in a bad economy, why would they good in a good economy?
why do all keynesians work in the public sector?
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cashin - i understand what obama wants to do
however with our current national debt his goals are impossible. we have no way of paying for any of this without massively raising taxes on everyone which of course would kill any economic recovery
if his tax plans are no good in a bad economy, why would they good in a good economy?
disco - I agree & always like to read koaj's posts whether I agree or not & have told him so. He's obviously alot more into it than I & no doubt has read more & is better versed in alot of facts & specifics. I'll check out that book - it sounds interesting. To me, this looks like a classic case of one extreme (Bush/Cheney) & it's results/consequences producing the other (both in style & policies) at a time it likely can't be afforded with divisiveness/anger at an all-time high & probably was inevitable. I'm not as huge of an Obama supporter as some might think, but we only had 2 real choices at election time - McCain/Palin & Obama/Biden & I thought Obama was the far better choice & still do -
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disco - I agree & always like to read koaj's posts whether I agree or not & have told him so. He's obviously alot more into it than I & no doubt has read more & is better versed in alot of facts & specifics. I'll check out that book - it sounds interesting. To me, this looks like a classic case of one extreme (Bush/Cheney) & it's results/consequences producing the other (both in style & policies) at a time it likely can't be afforded with divisiveness/anger at an all-time high & probably was inevitable. I'm not as huge of an Obama supporter as some might think, but we only had 2 real choices at election time - McCain/Palin & Obama/Biden & I thought Obama was the far better choice & still do -
McCain/Palin & Obama/Biden & I thought Obama was the far better choice & still do - -------------- like every other election, we are forced to pick between drinking our own urine or having someone give us a cleveland steamer
both are awful but you can take a shower real quick and get rid of the steamer
2 party system, irs, federal reserve and a few other things need to be abolished and quick...
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McCain/Palin & Obama/Biden & I thought Obama was the far better choice & still do - -------------- like every other election, we are forced to pick between drinking our own urine or having someone give us a cleveland steamer
both are awful but you can take a shower real quick and get rid of the steamer
2 party system, irs, federal reserve and a few other things need to be abolished and quick...
Cashin: You keep insisting that intelligent people improvise. Fine. All Husein does is read from his electronic cue cards. Badly. Stuttering. Taking planted questions. Using your criteria he is NOT intelligent.
Read the British critiques, they consider him a bore and not very bright. The world is starting to laugh. The affirmative action apologizer.
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Cashin: You keep insisting that intelligent people improvise. Fine. All Husein does is read from his electronic cue cards. Badly. Stuttering. Taking planted questions. Using your criteria he is NOT intelligent.
Read the British critiques, they consider him a bore and not very bright. The world is starting to laugh. The affirmative action apologizer.
You can ridicule my position all you'd like BUT if you can not see a correlation between the ability to speak intelligently off the cuff (ie not relying on a teleprompter) and the ability to make difficult decisions under fire in one of the world's most important positions, then I can't help you. Barry goes one step worse though, because even with his Blanky, I mean prompter he stutters and stammers like an absolute fool. Linus simply can't read the gigantic characters on his prompter, an abject embarassment. He is the lip synch president, the Milli-Vanilli of politicians.
Then you agree that GW had an extremely low ability to make decisions under fire, right?
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Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:
You can ridicule my position all you'd like BUT if you can not see a correlation between the ability to speak intelligently off the cuff (ie not relying on a teleprompter) and the ability to make difficult decisions under fire in one of the world's most important positions, then I can't help you. Barry goes one step worse though, because even with his Blanky, I mean prompter he stutters and stammers like an absolute fool. Linus simply can't read the gigantic characters on his prompter, an abject embarassment. He is the lip synch president, the Milli-Vanilli of politicians.
Then you agree that GW had an extremely low ability to make decisions under fire, right?
cashin, when KOAJ reads the book I suggested, I think he will have a different song to sing. He's a smart guy, and I'll be interested to hear him counter the arguements made...if not, by the end of the book he may be supporting Harvey's arguments, in which case I'll be really interested to hear his thoughts.
Mark my words ... KOAJ will be a much needed voice from the right...assuming he does actually read the Harvey book
MTA6 Alias check Aisle 6 please...............
This guy remind anybody of mta6
Obsessed with KOAJ
informing KOAJ he should read
Disco first posted in politics on April 2nd ( 2 days after mta6 was banned )
mta6 did not post ANY sports plays, but was prominent in the politics forum....
Disco had never posted in politics, but was prominent in the sports forums
Even the OJ jury would be able to connect the dots
welcome back mta6, good to have you back
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Quote Originally Posted by DiscoD69:
cashin, when KOAJ reads the book I suggested, I think he will have a different song to sing. He's a smart guy, and I'll be interested to hear him counter the arguements made...if not, by the end of the book he may be supporting Harvey's arguments, in which case I'll be really interested to hear his thoughts.
Mark my words ... KOAJ will be a much needed voice from the right...assuming he does actually read the Harvey book
MTA6 Alias check Aisle 6 please...............
This guy remind anybody of mta6
Obsessed with KOAJ
informing KOAJ he should read
Disco first posted in politics on April 2nd ( 2 days after mta6 was banned )
mta6 did not post ANY sports plays, but was prominent in the politics forum....
Disco had never posted in politics, but was prominent in the sports forums
Even the OJ jury would be able to connect the dots
Disco first posted in politics on April 2nd ( 2 days after mta6 was banned )
mta6 did not post ANY sports plays, but was prominent in the politics forum....
Disco had never posted in politics, but was prominent in the sports forums
Even the OJ jury would be able to connect the dots
welcome back mta6, good to have you back
who's been around longer?
I started posting in teh political forum because the first time I stopped by I was astounded at the amount of worthless shit that is being posted in here, most of it with little point than the irrational, pointless bashing of Obama.
I talked to KOAJ mainly because he is a smart guy, and possibly the only one on the right I've seen here capable of having a worthwhile discussion based on facts and logic.
No disrespect but there are many neo-cons on here (not mentioning names) dedicated to bashing character flaws (as they see them) and any other thing that pops into their head, instead of discussing real issues.
get a grip
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Quote Originally Posted by AlexPKeaton:
MTA6 Alias check Aisle 6 please...............
This guy remind anybody of mta6
Obsessed with KOAJ
informing KOAJ he should read
Disco first posted in politics on April 2nd ( 2 days after mta6 was banned )
mta6 did not post ANY sports plays, but was prominent in the politics forum....
Disco had never posted in politics, but was prominent in the sports forums
Even the OJ jury would be able to connect the dots
welcome back mta6, good to have you back
who's been around longer?
I started posting in teh political forum because the first time I stopped by I was astounded at the amount of worthless shit that is being posted in here, most of it with little point than the irrational, pointless bashing of Obama.
I talked to KOAJ mainly because he is a smart guy, and possibly the only one on the right I've seen here capable of having a worthwhile discussion based on facts and logic.
No disrespect but there are many neo-cons on here (not mentioning names) dedicated to bashing character flaws (as they see them) and any other thing that pops into their head, instead of discussing real issues.
Just because President Bush used poor judgment many times does not give the next president leave to make the same or similar mistakes and use the excuse "Bush did the same thing". " Hope and Change" should produce better results, I guess they won't.
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Just because President Bush used poor judgment many times does not give the next president leave to make the same or similar mistakes and use the excuse "Bush did the same thing". " Hope and Change" should produce better results, I guess they won't.
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