Actually, it would make sense for Zimmerman to have stopped screaming once he shot Trayvon. If Trayvon was smacking his head on the pavement it would absolutely make sense that he was screaming and stopped once the threat was eliminated.
The police dropped the charge of assualt. You can't take his gun rights away without a charge.
ONE BIG KEY VOICE FACT. TRAYVONS FATHER SAID IT WASN'T HIS SONS VOICE. ALSO 13 YEAR OLD WITNESS TESTIFIED THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM WAS SCREAMING.
I agree that the father should know his own son's voice, but obviously it's pretty hard to take a father & brother's (who want to see their son/brother stay out of prison) word over 2 experts - 1 being Tom Owen of Owen Forensic Svcs & chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence .And if it's Martin's voice, it shows he was lying & defeats any credibility he was given. And basically it all comes down to his believability because there is no evidence or witness that shows/saw how the fight started or that he was even returning to his truck.
And Z's gun rights were taken away due to his past violence, but were reinstated. This is a sad deal all the way around & it takes me back to discussions we had before about folks carrying guns in public. Z didn't intend to kill anyone but he got himself into a situation (thru his own actions) where he snapped and did -
Actually, it would make sense for Zimmerman to have stopped screaming once he shot Trayvon. If Trayvon was smacking his head on the pavement it would absolutely make sense that he was screaming and stopped once the threat was eliminated.
The police dropped the charge of assualt. You can't take his gun rights away without a charge.
ONE BIG KEY VOICE FACT. TRAYVONS FATHER SAID IT WASN'T HIS SONS VOICE. ALSO 13 YEAR OLD WITNESS TESTIFIED THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM WAS SCREAMING.
I agree that the father should know his own son's voice, but obviously it's pretty hard to take a father & brother's (who want to see their son/brother stay out of prison) word over 2 experts - 1 being Tom Owen of Owen Forensic Svcs & chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence .And if it's Martin's voice, it shows he was lying & defeats any credibility he was given. And basically it all comes down to his believability because there is no evidence or witness that shows/saw how the fight started or that he was even returning to his truck.
And Z's gun rights were taken away due to his past violence, but were reinstated. This is a sad deal all the way around & it takes me back to discussions we had before about folks carrying guns in public. Z didn't intend to kill anyone but he got himself into a situation (thru his own actions) where he snapped and did -
You guys are just making shit up because your brains can't handle the truth. You can't imagine a 17 year old suspected burglar that was suspended from school and suspected of throwing down on a school bus driver was killed in self defense.
You can't possibly look at this thing objectively.
In my head I tried making the case both ways and Zimmermans story held the most water.
You guys should try to do the same thing if you can look at it without emotion..again...without emotion...without emotion
You guys are just making shit up because your brains can't handle the truth. You can't imagine a 17 year old suspected burglar that was suspended from school and suspected of throwing down on a school bus driver was killed in self defense.
You can't possibly look at this thing objectively.
In my head I tried making the case both ways and Zimmermans story held the most water.
You guys should try to do the same thing if you can look at it without emotion..again...without emotion...without emotion
I was held up at gunpoint too and was extremely suprized by the incident. All the sudden a mickey mouse voice I never new I had came out. And it was in front of my future wife to boot.
It took several years before I could feel comfortable outside in dimly lit areas.
I was held up at gunpoint too and was extremely suprized by the incident. All the sudden a mickey mouse voice I never new I had came out. And it was in front of my future wife to boot.
It took several years before I could feel comfortable outside in dimly lit areas.
Who screamed and for what is unknown and cannot be determined based on what other individuals would do.
There are thousands of cases where individuals screamed when confronted by a person with a knife or a gun. There are thousands of cases where the person begged for their life or tried to reason with the assailant. It is impossible to know what either TM or GM would do under the same circumstances. We aren't them.
Who screamed and for what is unknown and cannot be determined based on what other individuals would do.
There are thousands of cases where individuals screamed when confronted by a person with a knife or a gun. There are thousands of cases where the person begged for their life or tried to reason with the assailant. It is impossible to know what either TM or GM would do under the same circumstances. We aren't them.
Yep. And there are numerous ways a gun can be taken away absent an actual charge.
Yep. And there are numerous ways a gun can be taken away absent an actual charge.
Who knows - maybe Martin yelling was a factor in Z pulling the trigger. I just don't buy Z's story at all - doesn't make sense from all I've read & heard. To believe his account, you have to believe that Martin, who was unarmed with no history of violence or fights & doing nothing wrong (just walking home & talking to his gf on the phone), just came up to Z (as he was leaving & walking away) & out of the blue attacked him while saying stuff like "you got a problem homie", "well, now you do" & "you're going to die tonite". I think Martin did punch him & have the upper hand at 1 point during the fight, but that doesn't tell us anything except they were involved a fight -
Who knows - maybe Martin yelling was a factor in Z pulling the trigger. I just don't buy Z's story at all - doesn't make sense from all I've read & heard. To believe his account, you have to believe that Martin, who was unarmed with no history of violence or fights & doing nothing wrong (just walking home & talking to his gf on the phone), just came up to Z (as he was leaving & walking away) & out of the blue attacked him while saying stuff like "you got a problem homie", "well, now you do" & "you're going to die tonite". I think Martin did punch him & have the upper hand at 1 point during the fight, but that doesn't tell us anything except they were involved a fight -
I think he's talking about physically taking away the gun...like when he's not looking. I'm interested to see what the lawyer says too.
I think he's talking about physically taking away the gun...like when he's not looking. I'm interested to see what the lawyer says too.
Who knows - maybe Martin yelling was a factor in Z pulling the trigger. I just don't buy Z's story at all - doesn't make sense from all I've read & heard. To believe his account, you have to believe that Martin, who was unarmed with no history of violence or fights & doing nothing wrong (just walking home & talking to his gf on the phone), just came up to Z (as he was leaving & walking away) & out of the blue attacked him while saying stuff like "you got a problem homie", "well, now you do" & "you're going to die tonite". I think Martin did punch him & have the upper hand at 1 point during the fight, but that doesn't tell us anything except they were involved a fight -
If you're involved in a fight you'd better lay off once your opponent calls 'no joy' or submits to you.
Who knows - maybe Martin yelling was a factor in Z pulling the trigger. I just don't buy Z's story at all - doesn't make sense from all I've read & heard. To believe his account, you have to believe that Martin, who was unarmed with no history of violence or fights & doing nothing wrong (just walking home & talking to his gf on the phone), just came up to Z (as he was leaving & walking away) & out of the blue attacked him while saying stuff like "you got a problem homie", "well, now you do" & "you're going to die tonite". I think Martin did punch him & have the upper hand at 1 point during the fight, but that doesn't tell us anything except they were involved a fight -
If you're involved in a fight you'd better lay off once your opponent calls 'no joy' or submits to you.
Explore 18 USC 922(g). It will probably make your blood boil though.
It is the most charged federal crime.
Explore 18 USC 922(g). It will probably make your blood boil though.
It is the most charged federal crime.
Who knows - maybe Martin yelling was a factor in Z pulling the trigger. I just don't buy Z's story at all - doesn't make sense from all I've read & heard. To believe his account, you have to believe that Martin, who was unarmed with no history of violence or fights & doing nothing wrong (just walking home & talking to his gf on the phone), just came up to Z (as he was leaving & walking away) & out of the blue attacked him while saying stuff like "you got a problem homie", "well, now you do" & "you're going to die tonite". I think Martin did punch him & have the upper hand at 1 point during the fight, but that doesn't tell us anything except they were involved a fight -
This guy can't let go of his version for shit.
If Zimmerman had the gun pointed at him then he would have said somthing to his girlfriend on the phone like- 'hes got a gun pointed at me, call the cops quick'. click.
Who knows - maybe Martin yelling was a factor in Z pulling the trigger. I just don't buy Z's story at all - doesn't make sense from all I've read & heard. To believe his account, you have to believe that Martin, who was unarmed with no history of violence or fights & doing nothing wrong (just walking home & talking to his gf on the phone), just came up to Z (as he was leaving & walking away) & out of the blue attacked him while saying stuff like "you got a problem homie", "well, now you do" & "you're going to die tonite". I think Martin did punch him & have the upper hand at 1 point during the fight, but that doesn't tell us anything except they were involved a fight -
This guy can't let go of his version for shit.
If Zimmerman had the gun pointed at him then he would have said somthing to his girlfriend on the phone like- 'hes got a gun pointed at me, call the cops quick'. click.
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