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    Obamacare guru: Obama himself plotted deception

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    Posted: Nov. 17, 2014 - 4:49 PM ET #1

    In yet another revealing video, Obamacare adviser Jonathan Gruber disclosed President Obama himself was part of the discussion about the need to deceive the American people to pass his signature health-care law.

    “The problem is it’s a political nightmare, and people say, ‘No, you can’t tax my benefits,” Gruber says. ” … So what we did a lot in that room was think a lot about, well how could we make this work.”

    In the video, he says Obama “is really a realistic guy.”

    “He was, ‘Look, I can’t just do this.’ He said, ‘It’s just not going to happen politically. The bill will not pass. How do we manage to get there through phase-ins and other things?’ And we talked about it. He was just very interested in that topic,” Gruber says.

    Gruber is the Massachusetts Institute of Technology economics professor who already has been revealed in several video clips calling the American voting public “stupid” and explaining that the only way to get Obamacare passed was to deceive voters.

    Obama, in an Australian news conference, told Fox News’ Ed Henry, “The fact that some adviser who never worked on our staff expressed an opinion that I completely disagree with in terms of the voters is no reflection on the actual process that was run.”


    Read more at https://www.wnd.com/2014/11/obamacare-guru-obama-himself-plotted-deception/#IuOXI2mqjmXAhqy8.99

     How do you Obama supporters think about this? 
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    In yet another revealing video, Obamacare adviser Jonathan Gruber disclosed President Obama himself was part of the discussion about the need to deceive the American people to pass his signature health-care law.

    “The problem is it’s a political nightmare, and people say, ‘No, you can’t tax my benefits,” Gruber says. ” … So what we did a lot in that room was think a lot about, well how could we make this work.”

    In the video, he says Obama “is really a realistic guy.”

    “He was, ‘Look, I can’t just do this.’ He said, ‘It’s just not going to happen politically. The bill will not pass. How do we manage to get there through phase-ins and other things?’ And we talked about it. He was just very interested in that topic,” Gruber says.

    Gruber is the Massachusetts Institute of Technology economics professor who already has been revealed in several video clips calling the American voting public “stupid” and explaining that the only way to get Obamacare passed was to deceive voters.

    Obama, in an Australian news conference, told Fox News’ Ed Henry, “The fact that some adviser who never worked on our staff expressed an opinion that I completely disagree with in terms of the voters is no reflection on the actual process that was run.”


    Read more at https://www.wnd.com/2014/11/obamacare-guru-obama-himself-plotted-deception/#IuOXI2mqjmXAhqy8.99

     How do you Obama supporters think about this? 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 17, 2014 - 7:35 PM ET #2

    We need a Speaker of the House like an Allen West or a JC Watts to go after this guy. Not one 'smidgeon' of race  involved.
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    We need a Speaker of the House like an Allen West or a JC Watts to go after this guy. Not one 'smidgeon' of race  involved.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2014 - 10:26 AM ET #3

    This will rip wide open in the coming weeks.  Dems will run away from this like scalded dogs.  Get the popcorn ready and enjoy.

     

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    This will rip wide open in the coming weeks.  Dems will run away from this like scalded dogs.  Get the popcorn ready and enjoy.

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2014 - 12:10 PM ET #4

    President Obloa can deny knowing of Gruber's involvement in the  Obamcare bill but ....

    Gruber is logged in as visiting the White House about two dozen times and he has the blue dress to prove it..

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    President Obloa can deny knowing of Gruber's involvement in the  Obamcare bill but ....

    Gruber is logged in as visiting the White House about two dozen times and he has the blue dress to prove it..

     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2014 - 2:12 PM ET #5

    What will come first? The takedown of America or the takedown of O?
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    What will come first? The takedown of America or the takedown of O?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2014 - 5:11 PM ET #6

    its interesting to see what these obama supports think of it
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    its interesting to see what these obama supports think of it
     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2014 - 8:31 PM ET #7

    I honestly don't have any problem with what he said.  He is correct. The American public is stupid.  For crying out loud look at how many can't even figure out how to obtain an ID.  
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    I honestly don't have any problem with what he said.  He is correct. The American public is stupid.  For crying out loud look at how many can't even figure out how to obtain an ID.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:

    I honestly don't have any problem with what he said.  He is correct. The American public is stupid.  For crying out loud look at how many can't even figure out how to obtain an ID.  

    The American public is stupid having voted in Obama twice..

    Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber was paid from 2009 to 2014 – about $1 million per year. He received at least $5,886,150 in taxpayer-funded dollars for his work on the President Obama’s signature health care law as well as health care consulting fees from several states...

    Obama :   Gruber     "He's some adviser who never worked on our staff.”.

    Sound familiar ?

    Obama :     Ayers      He was just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood".. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:

    I honestly don't have any problem with what he said.  He is correct. The American public is stupid.  For crying out loud look at how many can't even figure out how to obtain an ID.  

    The American public is stupid having voted in Obama twice..

    Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber was paid from 2009 to 2014 – about $1 million per year. He received at least $5,886,150 in taxpayer-funded dollars for his work on the President Obama’s signature health care law as well as health care consulting fees from several states...

    Obama :   Gruber     "He's some adviser who never worked on our staff.”.

    Sound familiar ?

    Obama :     Ayers      He was just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood".. 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2014 - 10:36 PM ET #9

    Obama, Biden > RomneyCare, Ryan > McCain, Palin 

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    Obama, Biden > RomneyCare, Ryan > McCain, Palin 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2014 - 11:06 PM ET #10

    I love Obamacare.  My insurance went from $1500 a month to around $300.  Basically the same coverages.  Kept my doctor.  I am saving so much money I feel like I am living in fantasyland.
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    I love Obamacare.  My insurance went from $1500 a month to around $300.  Basically the same coverages.  Kept my doctor.  I am saving so much money I feel like I am living in fantasyland.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2014 - 12:46 AM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Obama, Biden > RomneyCare, Ryan > McCain, Palin 



    War hero & hottie >> misguided magnate & policy nerd >> Dumb and Dumber (You have it backward as always)
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Obama, Biden > RomneyCare, Ryan > McCain, Palin 



    War hero & hottie >> misguided magnate & policy nerd >> Dumb and Dumber (You have it backward as always)
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:



    War hero & hottie >> misguided magnate & policy nerd >> Dumb and Dumber (You have it backward as always)

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    Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:



    War hero & hottie >> misguided magnate & policy nerd >> Dumb and Dumber (You have it backward as always)

     
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    I think there is some holes in your swiss cheese logic again
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Obama, Biden > RomneyCare, Ryan > McCain, Palin 



    Go easy on the "circle jerk crew"...  They are desperately holding on this thread as many of them have gotten completely embarrassed on the others...

    I wonder who else in the crew will show up to laugh at each other's jokes and agree with each other...
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Obama, Biden > RomneyCare, Ryan > McCain, Palin 



    Go easy on the "circle jerk crew"...  They are desperately holding on this thread as many of them have gotten completely embarrassed on the others...

    I wonder who else in the crew will show up to laugh at each other's jokes and agree with each other...
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2014 - 2:43 AM ET #15

    Now now, I see a "meltdown" coming on.

    If you lived in fantasyland like I do you would just let it roll off your back.  You see, here in fantasyland there is no anger.

    Try and stay with me here.  The topic is about Obama deceiving the public and thinking that they are stupid.  I agreed that the American public is stupid and he is right about that.  I don't feel deceived and I like my Obamacare.  I'm saving a ton of money and got to keep my doctor.

    If you have something non-partisan independent to add to the topic please feel free.  Just try not embarrassing yourself.  

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    Now now, I see a "meltdown" coming on.

    If you lived in fantasyland like I do you would just let it roll off your back.  You see, here in fantasyland there is no anger.

    Try and stay with me here.  The topic is about Obama deceiving the public and thinking that they are stupid.  I agreed that the American public is stupid and he is right about that.  I don't feel deceived and I like my Obamacare.  I'm saving a ton of money and got to keep my doctor.

    If you have something non-partisan independent to add to the topic please feel free.  Just try not embarrassing yourself.  

     
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    lol

    let what roll off my back?

    what are you even talking about?

    All I did was comment on this being a "roll call" thread of the "usual suspects"...  funny how you are the most active...

    I wonder why that is?

    Covers knows
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    lol

    let what roll off my back?

    what are you even talking about?

    All I did was comment on this being a "roll call" thread of the "usual suspects"...  funny how you are the most active...

    I wonder why that is?

    Covers knows
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2014 - 6:23 AM ET #17

    Stupidity reconsidered: The election proved Americans aren’t fooled by Gruber and Obama

    By Ben S. Carson - - Tuesday, November 18, 2014

    Jonathan Gruber set off a firestorm of controversy, at least in the conservative media, with the recent revelation of his comments about the “stupidity of the American people,” which allowed the Affordable Care Act to be passed. In essence, he admitted that the bill was written in a way that would allow its purveyors to characterize it as the cure-all and salvation for a health care system that was in trouble, with no danger of their deception being discovered by a populace that was trusting and naive.

    He obviously never intended for his comments to make it into the public sphere and did not consider the fact that someone is always recording on their smartphone.

    What is truly disturbing is the fact that our government is willing to engage in the purposeful deception of the populace in order to thrust its secretive agenda on an unsuspecting populace and a sycophantic mainstream media. As I have said many times before, Obamacare was never about health care; rather, it was about government control and wealth redistribution. If there was real concern about the uninsured, it would have been much cheaper and considerably less complex to simply give all the uninsured Cadillac health plans for life. I am a firm believer that health care reform was and is needed, and I have been advocating for it for several years. It needs to be done correctly, though, and in a way that does not create different levels of access and treatment.


    Read more: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/18/ben-carson-stupidity-reconsidered/#ixzz3JVqE1LFr
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    Opinion Columnist — Internationally renowned physician Ben Solomon Carson, M.D. is a retired neurosurgeon, an emeritus professor of neurosurgery, oncology, plastic surgery, and pediatrics at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, and a Washington Times columnist. A pediatric brain surgeon who was the first to successfully separate conjoined twins joined at the head, Dr. Carson has become a popular conservative ... 




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    Stupidity reconsidered: The election proved Americans aren’t fooled by Gruber and Obama

    By Ben S. Carson - - Tuesday, November 18, 2014

    Jonathan Gruber set off a firestorm of controversy, at least in the conservative media, with the recent revelation of his comments about the “stupidity of the American people,” which allowed the Affordable Care Act to be passed. In essence, he admitted that the bill was written in a way that would allow its purveyors to characterize it as the cure-all and salvation for a health care system that was in trouble, with no danger of their deception being discovered by a populace that was trusting and naive.

    He obviously never intended for his comments to make it into the public sphere and did not consider the fact that someone is always recording on their smartphone.

    What is truly disturbing is the fact that our government is willing to engage in the purposeful deception of the populace in order to thrust its secretive agenda on an unsuspecting populace and a sycophantic mainstream media. As I have said many times before, Obamacare was never about health care; rather, it was about government control and wealth redistribution. If there was real concern about the uninsured, it would have been much cheaper and considerably less complex to simply give all the uninsured Cadillac health plans for life. I am a firm believer that health care reform was and is needed, and I have been advocating for it for several years. It needs to be done correctly, though, and in a way that does not create different levels of access and treatment.


    Read more: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/18/ben-carson-stupidity-reconsidered/#ixzz3JVqE1LFr
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    Opinion Columnist — Internationally renowned physician Ben Solomon Carson, M.D. is a retired neurosurgeon, an emeritus professor of neurosurgery, oncology, plastic surgery, and pediatrics at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, and a Washington Times columnist. A pediatric brain surgeon who was the first to successfully separate conjoined twins joined at the head, Dr. Carson has become a popular conservative ... 




     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2014 - 9:43 AM ET #18

    How anyone can defend this administration, when all they have done is deceive the American people, is mind boggling....

    Someone please help me understand this...why is it, that The president of the United States, who was elected by citizens of the United States, and who's job is to serve the citizens of the United States, has an agenda of immigration reform as his primary goal? (Only goal actually)  Why is his focus not on doing something for the American people, like tax reform, jobs, education, ?  If he would spend his time doing these things, instead of golfing, lying, cheating and stealing from the American people, we would all be better off....

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    How anyone can defend this administration, when all they have done is deceive the American people, is mind boggling....

    Someone please help me understand this...why is it, that The president of the United States, who was elected by citizens of the United States, and who's job is to serve the citizens of the United States, has an agenda of immigration reform as his primary goal? (Only goal actually)  Why is his focus not on doing something for the American people, like tax reform, jobs, education, ?  If he would spend his time doing these things, instead of golfing, lying, cheating and stealing from the American people, we would all be better off....

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2014 - 10:15 AM ET #19

    We need greatness in DC. Dr Ben Carson Is greatness.
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    We need greatness in DC. Dr Ben Carson Is greatness.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2014 - 10:56 AM ET #20

    "Self-deport. ” It was a phrase that Romney used to explain his immigration policy during a debate in the 2012 Republican primaries. “I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry when I heard that, because you can’t have eleven million people self-deport. That just wasn’t in touch with reality.” 

    - McCain 

    Tide man, what do you think should be done? Let's hear your stance on immigration reform.


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    "Self-deport. ” It was a phrase that Romney used to explain his immigration policy during a debate in the 2012 Republican primaries. “I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry when I heard that, because you can’t have eleven million people self-deport. That just wasn’t in touch with reality.” 

    - McCain 

    Tide man, what do you think should be done? Let's hear your stance on immigration reform.


     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2014 - 10:58 AM ET #21

    Sundance, republicans will never allow a black man to represent them. What part of that do you not understand? 
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    Sundance, republicans will never allow a black man to represent them. What part of that do you not understand? 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2014 - 11:17 AM ET #22

     Obamacare based on Romneycare is the most politically achievable reform of healthcare insurance that enough levels of government can agree on.   Still, Obamacare has helped many Americans but problems in U.S. healthcare system are hard to solve.

    News from wnd website are obviously biased against Obama.  Both Democrats and Republicans have lied before in order to get things done.  For politicians, lying is a job requirement.

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     Obamacare based on Romneycare is the most politically achievable reform of healthcare insurance that enough levels of government can agree on.   Still, Obamacare has helped many Americans but problems in U.S. healthcare system are hard to solve.

    News from wnd website are obviously biased against Obama.  Both Democrats and Republicans have lied before in order to get things done.  For politicians, lying is a job requirement.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2014 - 11:45 AM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Sundance, republicans will never allow a black man to represent them. What part of that do you not understand? 

    As the other non-partisan representative of this site I must say that Detox is spot on here.

    It would behoove the republican party to improve their image on race and ethnic related issues but alas... hard to change spots.

    But the good thing we have to look forward to in the near future is the comedic value of seeing all the old rich white guys who almost exclusively make up the attendance at Republican Conventions. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Sundance, republicans will never allow a black man to represent them. What part of that do you not understand? 

    As the other non-partisan representative of this site I must say that Detox is spot on here.

    It would behoove the republican party to improve their image on race and ethnic related issues but alas... hard to change spots.

    But the good thing we have to look forward to in the near future is the comedic value of seeing all the old rich white guys who almost exclusively make up the attendance at Republican Conventions. 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2014 - 11:48 AM ET #24

    Any form of Immigration reform is pointless, until border control has been instituted... This administration not only turns the blind eye to the problem, but forbids our border control agents of upholding the law, on the laws we already have...

    My question is, why does he, the president, have immigration reform his top, and only agenda... Should he not be more concerned with doing something for the American citizens, rather than trying to help the illegals?

    How can anyone defend him, and his agenda... They can't, and when trying, they do as you did above, and try making it into a racial argument... I am a republican, and to contrary belief, I do not judge a mans qualifications on the color of his skin...  I am more interested in what he can do for us, the United States as a whole..

    So if anyone can answer my original question, I would appreciate it 

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    Any form of Immigration reform is pointless, until border control has been instituted... This administration not only turns the blind eye to the problem, but forbids our border control agents of upholding the law, on the laws we already have...

    My question is, why does he, the president, have immigration reform his top, and only agenda... Should he not be more concerned with doing something for the American citizens, rather than trying to help the illegals?

    How can anyone defend him, and his agenda... They can't, and when trying, they do as you did above, and try making it into a racial argument... I am a republican, and to contrary belief, I do not judge a mans qualifications on the color of his skin...  I am more interested in what he can do for us, the United States as a whole..

    So if anyone can answer my original question, I would appreciate it 

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tideman:

    Any form of Immigration reform is pointless, until border control has been instituted... This administration not only turns the blind eye to the problem, but forbids our border control agents of upholding the law, on the laws we already have...

    My question is, why does he, the president, have immigration reform his top, and only agenda... Should he not be more concerned with doing something for the American citizens, rather than trying to help the illegals?

    How can anyone defend him, and his agenda... They can't, and when trying, they do as you did above, and try making it into a racial argument... I am a republican, and to contrary belief, I do not judge a mans qualifications on the color of his skin...  I am more interested in what he can do for us, the United States as a whole..

    So if anyone can answer my original question, I would appreciate it 




    i thought republicans were angry because obama was threatening to issue an executive order to try and deal with the immigration problem.  but you re saying he's turning a blind eye to it.  it can't be both, can it?

    i think immigration is a lot more complex than you give it credit for.  there are a lot of facts to the "immigration problem".  it will certainly never be reformed completely, i agree with you about that, but there are certain problems, i.e. what to do with kids who are here and other people in different levels of status.  it doesn't make sense to have them in limbo when no one knows what the hell to do with them.

    i'm also not following how immigration is obama's only agenda when it seems like republicans are angry at obama for his other agenda- health care, whatever environmental issue he was talking about in china the other day, minimum wage, unemployment benefits, etc.

    it's hard to answer your question(s) when it seems like you're saying different things. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by tideman:

    Any form of Immigration reform is pointless, until border control has been instituted... This administration not only turns the blind eye to the problem, but forbids our border control agents of upholding the law, on the laws we already have...

    My question is, why does he, the president, have immigration reform his top, and only agenda... Should he not be more concerned with doing something for the American citizens, rather than trying to help the illegals?

    How can anyone defend him, and his agenda... They can't, and when trying, they do as you did above, and try making it into a racial argument... I am a republican, and to contrary belief, I do not judge a mans qualifications on the color of his skin...  I am more interested in what he can do for us, the United States as a whole..

    So if anyone can answer my original question, I would appreciate it 




    i thought republicans were angry because obama was threatening to issue an executive order to try and deal with the immigration problem.  but you re saying he's turning a blind eye to it.  it can't be both, can it?

    i think immigration is a lot more complex than you give it credit for.  there are a lot of facts to the "immigration problem".  it will certainly never be reformed completely, i agree with you about that, but there are certain problems, i.e. what to do with kids who are here and other people in different levels of status.  it doesn't make sense to have them in limbo when no one knows what the hell to do with them.

    i'm also not following how immigration is obama's only agenda when it seems like republicans are angry at obama for his other agenda- health care, whatever environmental issue he was talking about in china the other day, minimum wage, unemployment benefits, etc.

    it's hard to answer your question(s) when it seems like you're saying different things. 
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