More reason for proper voter ID

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https://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/09/16/voter-rolls-in-ohio-are-bloated-experts-say.htmlHow anyone honest could be against a voter identifying themselves is beyond me.

potter36 · Answer

https://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/09/16/voter-rolls-in-ohio-are-bloated-experts-say.htmlHow anyone honest could be against a voter identifying themselves is beyond me.

TILTOLOGIC · Answer

Exactly....its a good litmus test for gauging the integrity of an individual

Cool_Arrow · Answer

I am disappointed that you didn&#x27;t post the new article that follows up on the investigation of these "bloated" voter rolls. As a result of this a massive search for these fraudulent voters was undertaken. https://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/05/23/Husted-voter-fraud-exists-not-an-epidemic.html Out of 5.6 million votes cast at most there were 135 possible cases of voter fraud, which amounts to about 1 in every 41,000 ballots being "questionable". Instances were found of a voter voting in 2 states but some could have been legitimately cast in Ohio. I&#x27;m sure that you will say that each of these 135  possible cases were Obama voters. Doing that math it cuts his win from 103,481 votes to 103,346 votes. President Romney is still awaiting the results promised per the unskewed polls via Rasmussen. Voter fraud is just not massively widespread like conservatives want to make it out to be. I do find it ironic that conservatives are against Obamacare since it "forces" individuals to do something they don&#x27;t want (buy health insurance) but are totally for forcing individuals to get ID cards if they don&#x27;t want or need them. Selective small government conservative outrage, gotta love it!

TILTOLOGIC · Answer

This isn&#x27;t even remotely true. You are like a walking MSNBC headline, and you don&#x27;t even realize it. You hear a fringe element scream and you instantly generalize it for all...Quite scary, are all of the youth today this shallow? I don&#x27;t want to have to carry around a drivers license but I do because its the law...I don&#x27;t want to have to show an ID to get into a bar, but I do anyway...Are you freakin kidding me with this load crap? Do you know how dumb you sound?Why are you against honesty and integrity? Why not address the heart of the matter? I know its not "cool" with you kids, but as you get older and smarter you will get it eventually...

TILTOLOGIC · Answer

And if you think the main opposition to the new health law centers around the mandate than its obvious you are clueless as to how the new law is gonna work...

which leads us to the ultimate question...

Why are you even in this forum when its obvious you don't' grasp whats being discussed?

potter36 · Answer

Well I hope that disappointment didn&#x27;t ruin your day.  However if there was some information to expand on what I listed than have at it.  See unlike you, I don&#x27;t care whether its a liberal or conservative thing.  Furthermore, you state that voter fraud is not widespread.  There is absolutely no way you could know what the level is.  As I said before, I don&#x27;t care whether there is possible fraud in favor of any candidate, only that its done.  Yeah I guess your right, its odd that I would be in favor of someone having a plastic card that simply provides a picture and updated address to prove there are voting in a correct precinct, and at the same time be against something that will cost me huge amounts of incurred costs and reduced quality of care, while at the same time being something that is no precedence of and is absolutely unconstitutional.

14daroad · Answer

That is what is called a complete Non sequiturSee, the government is authorized under the constitution to direct &amp; control the manner of elections.Health care, not so much.Anyway, here is an example of voter fraud:https://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130311/NEWS0107/303110080/?nclick_check=1and another:https://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/mass-democrat-admits-absentee-voter-fraudForeign election officials amazed by trust-based U.S. voting systemIt&#x27;s an incredible system," said Nuri K. Elabbar, who traveled to the United States along with election officials from more than 60 countries to observe today&#x27;s presidential elections as part of a program run by the International Foundation for Electoral Systems (IFES). Your humble Cable guy visited polling places with some of the international officials this morning. Most of them agreed that in their countries, such an open voting system simply would not work."It&#x27;s very difficult to transfer this system as it is to any other country. This system is built according to trust and this trust needs a lot of procedures and a lot of education for other countries to adopt it," Elabbar said.The most often noted difference between American elections among the visitors was that in most U.S. states, voters need no identification.https://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/11/06/foreign_election_officials_amazed_by_trust_based_us_voting_system

14daroad · Answer

(Raleigh, NC)&#x2014;MAR 20, 2013&#x2014;The NC State Board of Elections has confirmed their intent to prosecute five people on suspicion that they voted in both Florida and NC during the November 2012 electionhttps://voterintegrityproject.com/vip-nc-finds-dual-voters-in-fl-nc/

14daroad · Answer

Whether or not voter fraud is "widespread" is irrelevant.See, when someone cancels out my vote due to fraud, that is a violation of my constitutional rights.But as a thought experiment:There is no evidence that people who are innocent are being put in prison is a widespread problem.There is no evidence that there is a widespread problem with innocent people being put on death row.So when people suggest we look into those things, and take safeguards to make them occur less frequently, those people should be laughed off, right?

Cool_Arrow · Answer

Of course there can be voters who are determined to vote in 2 states or absentee & in-person for the Presidential or other election. Is it something that we should be spending millions of dollars to find and track down? No way in my view. In Ohio we are talking 1 in 41,000 voters tops. I see the number of people risking punishment by doing this as minimal.

Potter - I'm okay thanks for asking. It did not ruin my day. You have a valid point about not being able to know the extent of instances of fraud. To me this is just a non-issue and the Ohio story just confirms how minimal it is. 1 in 41,000 voters and we don't even know if all of those were ineligible in Ohio. The risk of being caught is just not worth the "rewards" of voting multiple times I think. I am sorry that your pocket Constitution and talk radio Constitutional scholars told you that Obamacare was unconstitutional. The Supreme Court disagreed and I believe that their say is final. Though I am not a Constitutional expert so let me know if I am wrong.

14 - I am impressed that you cut and paste from TalkingPointsMemo! Wow!!

14daroad · Answer

In Ohio we are talking 1 in 41,000 voters topsActually, no we are not.I am sorry that your pocket Constitution and talk radio Constitutional scholars told you that Obamacare was unconstitutional. I love the fact you can&#x27;t see that you posted a Non sequitur.

14daroad · Answer

LAS CRUCES &#x2014; In a plea agreement, a former Sunland Park city employee admitted Wednesday to multiple false voting charges stemming from last year&#x27;s marred municipal elections.Silvia Gomez, 52, had been charged last spring with a dozen felony counts for inducing non-residents to vote in the 2012 Sunland Park elections....Gomez is at least the fifth defendant &#x2014;from the more than 20 allegedly involved with widespread Sunland Park voter corruption &#x2014; to reach resolution since August. Most have entered plea agreements.https://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_22784882/another-figure-sunland-park-voting-fraud-case-pleads

thirdperson · Answer

Cool Arrow is right.  Since voter fraud is so rare based on best information available, costs exceed benefits of ID law.  Tax payers deserve their money to be spend more wisely instead of wasted.

SarasotaSlim · Answer

&#xD;&#xA;I agree, taxpayers deserve to have their money spend more wisely ...&#xD;&#xA;Early March 2013 ....Via Secretary of State John Kerry the Obama administration is giving $250 million in aid to the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood (during sequester )...&#xD;&#xA;Late March 2013 ( also during sequester ) Obama released a half a billion taxpayer dollars to the Palestinian Authority to help their economy...and another $200M to Jordan...&#xD;&#xA;Obama really likes throwing our money around to Muslim countries.&#xD;&#xA;Certainly for the above 950 million we could cover all US citizens who don&#x27;t have photo ID with photo ID ...&#xD;&#xA; Note :If keeping the White House open costs the government $74,000 a week as reported, then the money going to the Palestinians could keep the White House open for 6,756 weeks or 129 years.

Cool_Arrow · Answer

Slim it is always easy to point out wasted money and both sides do it. I agree with your examples. Though I am sure that you were equally upset about the trillions spent in Iraq and the billions unaccounted for that were earmarked for the Iraq recovery or the bridge to nowhere in Alaska?

14daroad · Answer

The 4th District Court of Appeals this morning ruled the state's 2011 voter ID law constitutional, overturning a decision from a Dane County judge that struck down the law.

Judge Brian Blanchard wrote in the decision that the court rejected the argument from the League of Women Voters of Wisconsin Education Network that the ID requirement "is, on its face, so burdensome that it effectively denies potential voters their right to vote, and is therefore constitutionally 'unreasonable.'"

https://www.wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=298028

AcerRubrum · Answer

we are very polar in this State......  The People&#x27;s Republic of Madison tries to rule over all  grrrrrrrrrrr   the ageless liberal stronghold and the UW Madison campus.....   Berkeley of the East

14daroad · Answer

Isn&#x27;t it funny how these example almost always involve Democrats?The chief of staff to freshman Rep. Joe Garcia (D-Fla.) resigned on Friday after he was implicated in a plot to submit hundreds of fraudulent absentee ballots during the congressman&#x2019;s primary election last year.https://thehill.com/homenews/house/302915-freshman-representatives-chief-of-staff-resigns-amid-investigation

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