Trump is absolutely not moderate. Perhaps Republicans need to change their thinking on the matter. He's fairly far right and rarely compromises at all. I highly doubt moderates see him as a centrist. In fact, what I've been saying for a long time now is that the Republicans have miscalculated for 2020. To run in the Republican Party, you need to be a huge Trump supporter who rarely disagrees with him, essentially being a sycophant. That categorizes you as a hardliner. So when you're running a politician like that in a swing district, then it's much harder to get those moderate/centrist voters to consider your party. Yes, the Democrats do have far-left candidates as well, but you may have noticed in the midterms that they tried to run centrist candidates to steal seats away from Republicans. I suspect that will largely be the same theme for 2020 as well. The average voter also doesn't know that Trump likely maxed out most of his support in 2016. Yes, silent majority and he's more popular than ever. Blah, blah, blah. However, the math doesn't indicate that to me and I'm not going by polls. I'm VERY certain anyone who wanted to vote for Trump already decided to cast a ballot in 2016. Nobody sat out the election or waffled and wanted to see what would happen. Trump needs to expand his base by appealing to prior voters who weren't willing to vote for him. Trump will surpass the total he hit for a mark in 2016, but when you look at the data and do a rough estimate, you begin to see my actual point. He needs to increase his share by a large margin, not just exceed it by a bit. That's not enough if voter turnout does increase for 2020, which I believe will occur. For someone who narrowly won a few swing states, this is a big problem. By the way, Biden is a crappy candidate. Go ahead and subtract 5% or even 8% from the current polling. Trump is sinking himself by continuing to lie about coronavirus and Republicans haven't ever thought that his rambling act gets old for the public. My best guess is Trump's overall support for the general election is around 40-45 percent. That probably isn't enough for him to win and so I'd recommend a complete reversal and a new strategy. I don't think Trump knows any other way of operating and that may what leads Republicans off a cliff like lemmings.
MODERATE voters say ...
I am disappointed, yet not surprised at all, at the repeated references to one of the worst humans to ever walk on this planet (AH). Covers. I ask you and the mods? Is this repeated racist reference in line with your policies? Is this the type of reference that is acceptable in today's society?
I myself have been placed in covers rehab for much, much less yet every day the people here are reminded of this horrible and despicable part of world history?
In 1946-1950 the World faced the after math of ww2. Each one trying to understand how Hitler had gained such support .
Works were written by scholars dealing with the rise and fall of The third Reich. Intelligent people thought of how the S.A. was betrayed by the ss.
How rhe Gestapo could conduct such crimes against humanity without any cause for alarm or suspicion . How a dictator rose from ashes of a Parliament..... Today we see the same actions in the same way done by same type of man. A narcissist who will do anything to remain ypur benevolent dictator.
And Americans on both sides of the political fence have said enough.
In 1946-1950 the World faced the after math of ww2. Each one trying to understand how Hitler had gained such support . Works were written by scholars dealing with the rise and fall of The third Reich. Intelligent people thought of how the S.A. was betrayed by the ss. How rhe Gestapo could conduct such crimes against humanity without any cause for alarm or suspicion . How a dictator rose from ashes of a Parliament..... Today we see the same actions in the same way done by same type of man. A narcissist who will do anything to remain ypur benevolent dictator. And Americans on both sides of the political fence have said enough.
A person that makes this type of comparison is crank, that knows not of what they speak..
Trump is absolutely not moderate. Perhaps Republicans need to change their thinking on the matter. He's fairly far right and rarely compromises at all. I highly doubt moderates see him as a centrist. In fact, what I've been saying for a long time now is that the Republicans have miscalculated for 2020. To run in the Republican Party, you need to be a huge Trump supporter who rarely disagrees with him, essentially being a sycophant. That categorizes you as a hardliner. So when you're running a politician like that in a swing district, then it's much harder to get those moderate/centrist voters to consider your party. Yes, the Democrats do have far-left candidates as well, but you may have noticed in the midterms that they tried to run centrist candidates to steal seats away from Republicans. I suspect that will largely be the same theme for 2020 as well. The average voter also doesn't know that Trump likely maxed out most of his support in 2016. Yes, silent majority and he's more popular than ever. Blah, blah, blah. However, the math doesn't indicate that to me and I'm not going by polls. I'm VERY certain anyone who wanted to vote for Trump already decided to cast a ballot in 2016. Nobody sat out the election or waffled and wanted to see what would happen. Trump needs to expand his base by appealing to prior voters who weren't willing to vote for him. Trump will surpass the total he hit for a mark in 2016, but when you look at the data and do a rough estimate, you begin to see my actual point. He needs to increase his share by a large margin, not just exceed it by a bit. That's not enough if voter turnout does increase for 2020, which I believe will occur. For someone who narrowly won a few swing states, this is a big problem. By the way, Biden is a crappy candidate. Go ahead and subtract 5% or even 8% from the current polling. Trump is sinking himself by continuing to lie about coronavirus and Republicans haven't ever thought that his rambling act gets old for the public. My best guess is Trump's overall support for the general election is around 40-45 percent. That probably isn't enough for him to win and so I'd recommend a complete reversal and a new strategy. I don't think Trump knows any other way of operating and that may what leads Republicans off a cliff like lemmings.
We agree on this one it is a good thoughtful post especially the part about "My best guess is Trump's overall support for the general election is around 40-45 percent. That probably isn't enough for him to win"
..So by that thinking he only has to pick up another 1% and he should have another win..because President Trump only received 45.9% of the vote in 2016 and beat Hillary..
In 1946-1950 the World faced the after math of ww2. Each one trying to understand how
Hitler had gained such support . Works were written by scholars dealing with the rise
and fall of The third Reich. Intelligent people thought of how the S.A. was betrayed
by the ss. How rhe Gestapo could conduct such crimes against humanity without any c
ause for alarm or suspicion . How a dictator rose from ashes of a Parliament.....
Today we see the same actions in the same way done by same type of man.
A narcissist who will do anything to remain ypur benevolent dictator.
And Americans on both sides of the political fence have said enough.
I am disappointed, yet not surprised at all, at the repeated references to one of the worst humans to ever walk on this planet (AH). Covers. I ask you and the mods? Is this repeated racist reference in line with your policies? Is this the type of reference that is acceptable in today's society? I myself have been placed in covers rehab for much, much less yet every day the people here are reminded of this horrible and despicable part of world history?
new CBS News poll: for OHIO voters
= 1,227 RV
**Responses shown are from MODERATES, to rule out poll and/or party bias
Q: In thinking about what people of Ohio need right now,
how important is it for the Trump Administration to invest time
and resources trying to Stop the spread of coronavirus ?
9% .... not important at all
8% .... somewhat important
82% .. VERY IMPORTANT! 
Q: How would you rate Trump is doing handling the coronavirus outbreak?
33% ...positive
67% ...NEGATIVE!
Q: If you could choose, would you prefer to vote?
12% ...in person, before election day
37% ...in person ON ELECTION DAY
50% ...by mail-in ballot
Q: If the election was held TODAY...?
30% ...trump
56% ...BIDEN !
Q: Do you think schools in OHIO should reopen with children
returning to full in-person classrooms as normal?
18% ...yes
Q: How much do you think Joe Biden cares about
the economic situation for people like you?
34% ...not much, or not at all
66% ...some, or A LOT!
Q: How much do you think trump cares about
the economic situation for people like you?
62% ...NOT MUCH, or NOT AT ALL!
38% ...some, or a lot
new CBS News poll: for OHIO voters = 1,227 RV **Responses shown are from MODERATES, to rule out poll and/or party bias Q: In thinking about what people of Ohio need right now, how important is it for the Trump Administration to invest time and resources trying to Stop the spread of coronavirus ?9% .... not important at all8% .... somewhat important82% .. VERY IMPORTANT! Q: How would you rate Trump is doing handling the coronavirus outbreak?33% ...positive67% ...NEGATIVE! Q: If you could choose, would you prefer to vote?12% ...in person, before election day37% ...in person ON ELECTION DAY50% ...by mail-in ballot Q: If the election was held TODAY...?30% ...trump56% ...BIDEN ! Q: Do you think schools in OHIO should reopen with childrenreturning to full in-person classrooms as normal?18% ...yes Q: How much do you think Joe Biden cares about the economic situation for people like you?34% ...not much, or not at all66% ...some, or A LOT! Q: How much do you think trump cares about the economic situation for people like you?62% ...NOT MUCH, or NOT AT ALL!38% ...some, or a lot
Besides being RV's..
What was their System of Methodology ?
new CBS News poll: for OHIO voters
= 1,227 RV
**Responses shown are from MODERATES, to rule out poll and/or party bias
Q: In thinking about what people of Ohio need right now,
how important is it for the Trump Administration to invest time
and resources trying to Stop the spread of coronavirus ?
9% .... not important at all
8% .... somewhat important
82% .. VERY IMPORTANT!
This one Q provides stunning information, since the ramifications will affect the economy. Nevertheless, MODERATE voters are adamant that this is a top priority
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: We agree on this one it is a good thoughtful post especially the part about "My best guess is Trump's overall support for the general election is around 40-45 percent. That probably isn't enough for him to win" ..So by that thinking he only has to pick up another 1% and he should have another win..because President Trump only received 45.9% of the vote in 2016 and beat Hillary..
That's exactly my point, though. I anticipate voter turnout increasing by 5%, maybe even 10%. It should be in that range but you know that's hard to peg. If so, Trump needs to expand his base by a larger margin, which I don't think is possible based on his partisan moves in office. Trump is popular if you're using the standards from 2016. That's the voter turnout he won with. I'm saying Trump got most people fired up and ready to vote for him in 2016. I'm pretty confident I'm right about that. So he needs to court the prior voters, especially because Democrats had more people stay at home and decide not to vote in 2016. Many of them thought Hillary was going to win anyway and so what the hell was the point of casting one vote? Even if Trump gets around 46%, I don't know if that would be enough for him to win. It's all theoretical so I suppose we'll have to see.
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: We agree on this one it is a good thoughtful post especially the part about "My best guess is Trump's overall support for the general election is around 40-45 percent. That probably isn't enough for him to win" ..So by that thinking he only has to pick up another 1% and he should have another win..because President Trump only received 45.9% of the vote in 2016 and beat Hillary..
That's exactly my point, though. I anticipate voter turnout increasing by 5%, maybe even 10%. It should be in that range but you know that's hard to peg. If so, Trump needs to expand his base by a larger margin, which I don't think is possible based on his partisan moves in office. Trump is popular if you're using the standards from 2016. That's the voter turnout he won with. I'm saying Trump got most people fired up and ready to vote for him in 2016. I'm pretty confident I'm right about that. So he needs to court the prior voters, especially because Democrats had more people stay at home and decide not to vote in 2016. Many of them thought Hillary was going to win anyway and so what the hell was the point of casting one vote? Even if Trump gets around 46%, I don't know if that would be enough for him to win. It's all theoretical so I suppose we'll have to see.
To continue along those lines sicknesscity,,I am in agreement with your premise that the president needs to expand his base somewhere in order to win this time..lets use your figure of about 5%. Well,it's safe to say he won't be getting many ,if any of Biden's base( haters of Trump)to switch over ..like Hillary voters did in 2016 ..when Midwest voters who previously backed former President Obama,, but switched over to Trump..from figures I've seen somewhere in the neighborhood of 8 million voters who supported Obama in 2012 backed Trump four years later..
So where will new Trump voters come from ?
Here again,I believe it will come another Obama area of voters ,,blacks who voted for Obama and now are looking for someone who will do the best for their community .. ..black voters matter. Trump received 8% of the black vote in 2016. In August 2019, black voter approval for Trump stood at 26%.. Recently some have quoted a even higher percentage for black voters for Trump ..though I highly doubt it. However there is a much higher percentage of these voters for Trump than there was in 2016,, you can see it in the press..A surveyed of black voters nationally, showed that a mere 77 % of black voters said they are definitely voting for Biden..I believe,,if Trump can gain just half of the remaining 33%..15/16 % of the black vote and hold on to his base he will win in 2020.
To continue along those lines sicknesscity,,I am in agreement with your premise that the president needs to expand his base somewhere in order to win this time..lets use your figure of about 5%. Well,it's safe to say he won't be getting many ,if any of Biden's base( haters of Trump)to switch over ..like Hillary voters did in 2016 ..when Midwest voters who previously backed former President Obama,, but switched over to Trump..from figures I've seen somewhere in the neighborhood of 8 million voters who supported Obama in 2012 backed Trump four years later.. So where will new Trump voters come from ? Here again,I believe it will come another Obama area of voters ,,blacks who voted for Obama and now are looking for someone who will do the best for their community .. ..black voters matter. Trump received 8% of the black vote in 2016. In August 2019, black voter approval for Trump stood at 26%.. Recently some have quoted a even higher percentage for black voters for Trump ..though I highly doubt it. However there is a much higher percentage of these voters for Trump than there was in 2016,, you can see it in the press..A surveyed of black voters nationally, showed that a mere 77 % of black voters said they are definitely voting for Biden..I believe,,if Trump can gain just half of the remaining 33%..15/16 % of the black vote and hold on to his base he will win in 2020.
I won't say that's implausible but I'll have to see it to believe it. I do have a lot of people as customers who are Republicans and like Trump, so I can live with Trump being re-elected if that did happen. They're fairly pleased right now and spend their money without complaining. I've stated in plain terms how much I dislike Trump and his approach to life. I would prefer someone else, even if Biden can really only serve one term and then needs to be replaced. He'll defer to professionals and I won't need to listen to ridiculous BS from a blowhard. Biden is full of shit but his type is different than Trump's. That's actually why the current polls are so surprising to me. I do agree with Republicans that several other Democrats were much better choices. Of course. Despite that, boring Joe is beating Trump in important states by several percentage points. I don't think the polls are all lies and so I bet Republican strategists are privately concerned and are trying to find out why voters are currently throwing more support to Biden. It may be women in suburban areas. Trump just tweeted recently about it. I think he's a transparent clown. My guess is his people told him that the polling data showed it and he needs to start courting them.
Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim: To continue along those lines sicknesscity,,I am in agreement with your premise that the president needs to expand his base somewhere in order to win this time..lets use your figure of about 5%. Well,it's safe to say he won't be getting many ,if any of Biden's base( haters of Trump)to switch over ..like Hillary voters did in 2016 ..when Midwest voters who previously backed former President Obama,, but switched over to Trump..from figures I've seen somewhere in the neighborhood of 8 million voters who supported Obama in 2012 backed Trump four years later.. So where will new Trump voters come from ? Here again,I believe it will come another Obama area of voters ,,blacks who voted for Obama and now are looking for someone who will do the best for their community .. ..black voters matter. Trump received 8% of the black vote in 2016. In August 2019, black voter approval for Trump stood at 26%.. Recently some have quoted a even higher percentage for black voters for Trump ..though I highly doubt it. However there is a much higher percentage of these voters for Trump than there was in 2016,, you can see it in the press..A surveyed of black voters nationally, showed that a mere 77 % of black voters said they are definitely voting for Biden..I believe,,if Trump can gain just half of the remaining 33%..15/16 % of the black vote and hold on to his base he will win in 2020. I won't say that's implausible but I'll have to see it to believe it. I do have a lot of people as customers who are Republicans and like Trump, so I can live with Trump being re-elected if that did happen. They're fairly pleased right now and spend their money without complaining. I've stated in plain terms how much I dislike Trump and his approach to life. I would prefer someone else, even if Biden can really only serve one term and then needs to be replaced. He'll defer to professionals and I won't need to listen to ridiculous BS from a blowhard. Biden is full of shit but his type is different than Trump's. That's actually why the current polls are so surprising to me. I do agree with Republicans that several other Democrats were much better choices. Of course. Despite that, boring Joe is beating Trump in important states by several percentage points. I don't think the polls are all lies and so I bet Republican strategists are privately concerned and are trying to find out why voters are currently throwing more support to Biden. It may be women in suburban areas. Trump just tweeted recently about it. I think he's a transparent clown. My guess is his people told him that the polling data showed it and he needs to start courting them.
Current polls show trump is as despised by the black community today at least as much as before, if not worse. The BLM movement condemnation by trump, calling it a "symbol of hate" is understandably NOT going over well. George Floyd's murder caused protest. trump's reaction has also drawn overwhelming criticism and disdain from the black community. No way his numbers from them rise.
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