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    Maine's governor Paul Lepage

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    ilsp2003
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    Posted: Aug. 30, 2016 - 6:48 PM ET #1

    On Wednesday, LePage claimed that “the majority” of drug dealers arrested in Maine are black or Latino. He said: “Look, the bad guy is the bad guy. I don’t care what color he is. When you go to war, if you know the enemy and the enemy dresses in red and you dress in blue, then you shoot at red.”

    When LePage’s remarks prompted a critical response from Drew Gattine, a Democratic state representative, the governor told reporters he left Gattine a threatening voicemail full of expletives. He said he wished he could challenge the lawmaker to a duel in which “I would point [my gun] right between his eyes”.

    The governor apologized on Tuesday for threatening Gattine.

    “When I was called a racist I just lost it, and there’s no excuse,” he said. “It’s unacceptable. It’s totally my fault.”

    LePage said being called racist “absolutely knocked me off my feet”, comparing it to “calling a black man the N-word or a woman the C-word”.

    Gattine has said he didn’t call the governor a racist but instead told a reporter that “the kind of racially charged comments the governor made are not at all helpful”, according to the Portland Press Herald.

    The governor has a long history of making controversial statements, which he himself has acknowledged as “outrageous comments”. LePage’s style and unwillingness to back down when speaking about race have drawn comparisons to his party’s presidential nominee Donald Trump. LePage himself has said that he and Trump are “of the same cloth”.

    The string of startling remarks LePage has made include an assertion that drug dealers “with the name D-Money, Smoothie, Shifty” came to Maine and “half the time they impregnate a young white girl before they leave”. He later said he meant to say “Maine women” instead of “white women”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/30/governor-paul-lepage-leaving-office-racial-remarks-enemy

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    On Wednesday, LePage claimed that “the majority” of drug dealers arrested in Maine are black or Latino. He said: “Look, the bad guy is the bad guy. I don’t care what color he is. When you go to war, if you know the enemy and the enemy dresses in red and you dress in blue, then you shoot at red.”

    When LePage’s remarks prompted a critical response from Drew Gattine, a Democratic state representative, the governor told reporters he left Gattine a threatening voicemail full of expletives. He said he wished he could challenge the lawmaker to a duel in which “I would point [my gun] right between his eyes”.

    The governor apologized on Tuesday for threatening Gattine.

    “When I was called a racist I just lost it, and there’s no excuse,” he said. “It’s unacceptable. It’s totally my fault.”

    LePage said being called racist “absolutely knocked me off my feet”, comparing it to “calling a black man the N-word or a woman the C-word”.

    Gattine has said he didn’t call the governor a racist but instead told a reporter that “the kind of racially charged comments the governor made are not at all helpful”, according to the Portland Press Herald.

    The governor has a long history of making controversial statements, which he himself has acknowledged as “outrageous comments”. LePage’s style and unwillingness to back down when speaking about race have drawn comparisons to his party’s presidential nominee Donald Trump. LePage himself has said that he and Trump are “of the same cloth”.

    The string of startling remarks LePage has made include an assertion that drug dealers “with the name D-Money, Smoothie, Shifty” came to Maine and “half the time they impregnate a young white girl before they leave”. He later said he meant to say “Maine women” instead of “white women”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/30/governor-paul-lepage-leaving-office-racial-remarks-enemy

     
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    Posted: Aug. 30, 2016 - 6:50 PM ET #2

    Data shows that there are more white drug dealers nationwide, but their black counterparts are the ones who are far more likely to be caught and prosecuted.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/30/white-people-are-more-likely-to-deal-drugs-but-black-people-are-more-likely-to-get-arrested-for-it/
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    Data shows that there are more white drug dealers nationwide, but their black counterparts are the ones who are far more likely to be caught and prosecuted.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/30/white-people-are-more-likely-to-deal-drugs-but-black-people-are-more-likely-to-get-arrested-for-it/
     
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    Posted: Aug. 30, 2016 - 6:54 PM ET #3

    In Maine, where white people make up 95 percent of the population, drug arrests have skyrocketed. But USA Today investigators found that arrest disparities along racial lines are stark in the Pine Tree State.

    Maine's Meth drug dealers are white but they are not the problem.

    this Tea Party lunatic needs to resign. he is an embarrassment to America.
    According to Wikipedia, Lepage grew up with 17 siblings in an "abusive" home.

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    In Maine, where white people make up 95 percent of the population, drug arrests have skyrocketed. But USA Today investigators found that arrest disparities along racial lines are stark in the Pine Tree State.

    Maine's Meth drug dealers are white but they are not the problem.

    this Tea Party lunatic needs to resign. he is an embarrassment to America.
    According to Wikipedia, Lepage grew up with 17 siblings in an "abusive" home.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 30, 2016 - 8:30 PM ET #4

    It's always interesting to see who some one is and how they think to understand why they act the way they do and say the things they do. 
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    It's always interesting to see who some one is and how they think to understand why they act the way they do and say the things they do. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 30, 2016 - 9:26 PM ET #5

    Lepage is one of kind. Trump will need to really step up his rhetoric if he is going to be stated cut from the same clothe.
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    Lepage is one of kind. Trump will need to really step up his rhetoric if he is going to be stated cut from the same clothe.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 30, 2016 - 9:51 PM ET #6

    What do you mean by trump will need to step up his rhetoric. 

    I think the actual data and numbers is telling but it is because it says that the emotional racist rhetoric is not true in reality.  The problem is that not all people make data or reality based decisions and views. Especially the most racist and bigoted ones.  So the facts will some how be a product of media bias or some other sorry excuse for not facing reality. 

    So there is a clear disconnect as the people that need to understand reality the most have the least potential of doing so when presented with data.  Not sure if it is an issue of not willing and digging in their heels making excuses or just lack the intellectual ability to be able to understand reality. Could be both I guess. 

    So when you say trump will need to step up his rhetoric, what rhetoric?  And to whom and what audience?
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    What do you mean by trump will need to step up his rhetoric. 

    I think the actual data and numbers is telling but it is because it says that the emotional racist rhetoric is not true in reality.  The problem is that not all people make data or reality based decisions and views. Especially the most racist and bigoted ones.  So the facts will some how be a product of media bias or some other sorry excuse for not facing reality. 

    So there is a clear disconnect as the people that need to understand reality the most have the least potential of doing so when presented with data.  Not sure if it is an issue of not willing and digging in their heels making excuses or just lack the intellectual ability to be able to understand reality. Could be both I guess. 

    So when you say trump will need to step up his rhetoric, what rhetoric?  And to whom and what audience?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 31, 2016 - 12:01 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

    On Wednesday, LePage claimed that “the majority” of drug dealers arrested in Maine are black or Latino. He said: “Look, the bad guy is the bad guy. I don’t care what color he is. When you go to war, if you know the enemy and the enemy dresses in red and you dress in blue, then you shoot at red.”

    LePage’s style and unwillingness to back down when speaking about race have drawn comparisons to his party’s presidential nominee Donald Trump. 


    LePage is a tool, and very well could be a racist, but I have to defend something he said ...

    If the majority of drug dealers are actually black and latino (i'm not saying that they are, as I have no idea) then is it racist to say so?
    I don't believe it is. 

    As per the article, LePage is unwilling to back down when speaking about race. Good for him. I will never understand why everyone has to walk on eggshells when the topic of race comes up.

    If blacks eat more watermelon than any other race, then it's not racist to mention it, it is accurate to mention it.
    If whites can't dance well, then it's ok to say so (wait, it's already ok to say that)
    If the majority of asians tend to back up the golf course because they suck at the game, then it's not racist to say it.  

    This entire thing with political correctness has gotten out of hand.
    It's gotten to the point where we can't mention that which is true out of fear of being labeled a racist, or a bigot. 
    It seems that LePage has no such fear. Good for him.
    He still an idiot 
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

    On Wednesday, LePage claimed that “the majority” of drug dealers arrested in Maine are black or Latino. He said: “Look, the bad guy is the bad guy. I don’t care what color he is. When you go to war, if you know the enemy and the enemy dresses in red and you dress in blue, then you shoot at red.”

    LePage’s style and unwillingness to back down when speaking about race have drawn comparisons to his party’s presidential nominee Donald Trump. 


    LePage is a tool, and very well could be a racist, but I have to defend something he said ...

    If the majority of drug dealers are actually black and latino (i'm not saying that they are, as I have no idea) then is it racist to say so?
    I don't believe it is. 

    As per the article, LePage is unwilling to back down when speaking about race. Good for him. I will never understand why everyone has to walk on eggshells when the topic of race comes up.

    If blacks eat more watermelon than any other race, then it's not racist to mention it, it is accurate to mention it.
    If whites can't dance well, then it's ok to say so (wait, it's already ok to say that)
    If the majority of asians tend to back up the golf course because they suck at the game, then it's not racist to say it.  

    This entire thing with political correctness has gotten out of hand.
    It's gotten to the point where we can't mention that which is true out of fear of being labeled a racist, or a bigot. 
    It seems that LePage has no such fear. Good for him.
    He still an idiot 
     
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    You're statements are not as offensive as they are just based on personal opinon.  I can't really speak to African Americans and watermelon but in my experience Mexicans eat the most watermelon. They also eat a lot of potatoes, more than Irish people. Now this is politically incorrect but it is my experience,doesn't mean it's true for everyone in that race, but this is my perspective. 

    Like on the golf course the worst guys im waiting for is always an emotional white guy who has been hacking away and screaming obscenities.  He is steaming and his face has become as red as his neck and we are waiting for him to finish his ranting and raving and either breaking his club or throwing it and having to go get it.  While I've never had to wait for a Asian to finish his man-baby temper tantrum because Asians just don't act like that.  Maybe they just have superior upbringing and  that's why they do better in school and with more education do better in life. Maybe they are just more intelligent like the data from the famous bell curve indicates. 

    But in my perception tiger woods being half Asian was the best golfer of his era and you often see women, particularly south Korean women dominating in golf.  Or even Michelle Wie who is asian ameirian and product of the the prestigious academy that has produced numerous nfl and mlb players and medal winning Olympians  as well as CEOs, politicians and Obama.   She and other Asians from Obama's prestigious school that sports illustrated rated #1 are on the lpga.  But once again is what I'm saying incorrect?  Politically incorrect?  

    No it's the truth when it comes to race. 

    and in my experience white people can dance.   Many of the best ballet dancers are white.  And  the the stripper who has the best dance skills and pole skills  in a strip club is always a white girl. 

    So since I'm just saying what is true, and I'm glad you won't say anything I said was racist or bigotted or struck a nerve with you. Why walk on egg shells right?  So how to do feel about my statements?   
    You can craft an answer, but you don't  have to answer... Just something for you to think about 

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    You're statements are not as offensive as they are just based on personal opinon.  I can't really speak to African Americans and watermelon but in my experience Mexicans eat the most watermelon. They also eat a lot of potatoes, more than Irish people. Now this is politically incorrect but it is my experience,doesn't mean it's true for everyone in that race, but this is my perspective. 

    Like on the golf course the worst guys im waiting for is always an emotional white guy who has been hacking away and screaming obscenities.  He is steaming and his face has become as red as his neck and we are waiting for him to finish his ranting and raving and either breaking his club or throwing it and having to go get it.  While I've never had to wait for a Asian to finish his man-baby temper tantrum because Asians just don't act like that.  Maybe they just have superior upbringing and  that's why they do better in school and with more education do better in life. Maybe they are just more intelligent like the data from the famous bell curve indicates. 

    But in my perception tiger woods being half Asian was the best golfer of his era and you often see women, particularly south Korean women dominating in golf.  Or even Michelle Wie who is asian ameirian and product of the the prestigious academy that has produced numerous nfl and mlb players and medal winning Olympians  as well as CEOs, politicians and Obama.   She and other Asians from Obama's prestigious school that sports illustrated rated #1 are on the lpga.  But once again is what I'm saying incorrect?  Politically incorrect?  

    No it's the truth when it comes to race. 

    and in my experience white people can dance.   Many of the best ballet dancers are white.  And  the the stripper who has the best dance skills and pole skills  in a strip club is always a white girl. 

    So since I'm just saying what is true, and I'm glad you won't say anything I said was racist or bigotted or struck a nerve with you. Why walk on egg shells right?  So how to do feel about my statements?   
    You can craft an answer, but you don't  have to answer... Just something for you to think about 

     
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    The reality tho is the numbers shows that lepage is incorrect. And at the same time showed that even with the difference in races with white people being the majority of drug dealers, the numbers on people caught and prosecuted don't match the numbers of the people dealing the drugs.  The truth about the issue is interesting to say the least.  

    So the numbers and reality do not support what lepage and others say. It is not abour being politically incorrect as much as it is about it being mathematically incorrect or incorrect based on reality. 

    So if that is not why he is an idiot,  why do you call him an idiot?
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    The reality tho is the numbers shows that lepage is incorrect. And at the same time showed that even with the difference in races with white people being the majority of drug dealers, the numbers on people caught and prosecuted don't match the numbers of the people dealing the drugs.  The truth about the issue is interesting to say the least.  

    So the numbers and reality do not support what lepage and others say. It is not abour being politically incorrect as much as it is about it being mathematically incorrect or incorrect based on reality. 

    So if that is not why he is an idiot,  why do you call him an idiot?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:


    LePage is a tool, and very well could be a racist, but I have to defend something he said ...

    If the majority of drug dealers are actually black and latino (i'm not saying that they are, as I have no idea) then is it racist to say so?
    I don't believe it is. 

    As per the article, LePage is unwilling to back down when speaking about race. Good for him. I will never understand why everyone has to walk on eggshells when the topic of race comes up.

    If blacks eat more watermelon than any other race, then it's not racist to mention it, it is accurate to mention it.
    If whites can't dance well, then it's ok to say so (wait, it's already ok to say that)
    If the majority of asians tend to back up the golf course because they suck at the game, then it's not racist to say it.  

    This entire thing with political correctness has gotten out of hand.
    It's gotten to the point where we can't mention that which is true out of fear of being labeled a racist, or a bigot. 
    It seems that LePage has no such fear. Good for him.
    He still an idiot 

    I am not sure IF I understand which Lepage's statements you are defending. Lepage has put his foot in his mouth on several occasions and is also a racist idiot who is not capable of addressing Maine's drug problems

    1) Lepage has always been a staunch proponent of the War on Drugs, which disproportionately targets blacks and Hispanics.
    in Maine, where white people make up 95 percent of the population, drug arrests have skyrocketed. Out-of-state drug dealers cannot outnumber while drug dealers (meth, opiodid ..etc)
    Police mostly focused on the minorities and Lepage believes the vast majority of drug dealers are black and Hispanic, that also means they are the ones that should be killed. On the other hand, the governor supports treatment, rather than jail time, for drug users.

    https://thinkprogress.org/did-maines-governor-just-tell-gun-owners-to-track-down-drug-dealers-and-kill-them-ca793ec751fa#.wph1xlfyw


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    LePage is a tool, and very well could be a racist, but I have to defend something he said ...

    If the majority of drug dealers are actually black and latino (i'm not saying that they are, as I have no idea) then is it racist to say so?
    I don't believe it is. 

    As per the article, LePage is unwilling to back down when speaking about race. Good for him. I will never understand why everyone has to walk on eggshells when the topic of race comes up.

    If blacks eat more watermelon than any other race, then it's not racist to mention it, it is accurate to mention it.
    If whites can't dance well, then it's ok to say so (wait, it's already ok to say that)
    If the majority of asians tend to back up the golf course because they suck at the game, then it's not racist to say it.  

    This entire thing with political correctness has gotten out of hand.
    It's gotten to the point where we can't mention that which is true out of fear of being labeled a racist, or a bigot. 
    It seems that LePage has no such fear. Good for him.
    He still an idiot 

    I am not sure IF I understand which Lepage's statements you are defending. Lepage has put his foot in his mouth on several occasions and is also a racist idiot who is not capable of addressing Maine's drug problems

    1) Lepage has always been a staunch proponent of the War on Drugs, which disproportionately targets blacks and Hispanics.
    in Maine, where white people make up 95 percent of the population, drug arrests have skyrocketed. Out-of-state drug dealers cannot outnumber while drug dealers (meth, opiodid ..etc)
    Police mostly focused on the minorities and Lepage believes the vast majority of drug dealers are black and Hispanic, that also means they are the ones that should be killed. On the other hand, the governor supports treatment, rather than jail time, for drug users.

    https://thinkprogress.org/did-maines-governor-just-tell-gun-owners-to-track-down-drug-dealers-and-kill-them-ca793ec751fa#.wph1xlfyw


     
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    2) In the past few years, opioid abuse has increased throughout Maine. 
    Opioids are medications that relieve pain. Medications that fall within this class include hydrocodone (e.g., Vicodin), oxycodone (e.g., OxyContin, Percocet), morphine (e.g., Kadian, Avinza), codeine, and related drugs.

    out-of-state drug "black and latino" dealers "who impregnate youg white girls" do not control the opioids drug markets. 


    According to

    Substance Abuse Trends in Maine
    State Epidemiological Profile 2015
    Produced for Maine Department of Health and Human Services
    Office of Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services
    by Hornby Zeller Associates, Inc.
    July 2015

    https://www.maine.gov/dhhs/samhs/osa/documents/SEOWEpiProfile2015FINALDRAFT.pdf

    <QUOTE>

    Indicator Description: LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ARRESTS RELATED TO DRUGS. This
    indicator reflects the number of arrests made by local law enforcement agencies (not the
    Maine Drug Enforcement Agency) that were related to drugs and includes manufacturing, sales,and possession.


    Why Indicator is Important: Arrest rates for drug sales, manufacturing and drug possession can
    be an indication of the rate of criminal behavior, but it is important to note that they are also an
    indication of the level of law enforcement. Arrests rates are expected to increase with
    increased enforcement regardless of whether criminal behavior changes.
    Data Source(s): DPS-UCR, 2009-2013

    Summary: Most drug-related offenses in 2013 were for possession rather than sale and
    manufacturing. Since 2009, it appears that adult arrests related to drugs have remained stable,
    while juvenile arrests have generally declined. Six out of ten drug offense arrests for possession
    are for marijuana.
    Most drug offenses in 2013 for both adults and juveniles were for possession (3,939 for
    adults, 420 for juveniles) rather than sales/manufacturing (1,159 for adults and 81 for
    juveniles).

    3) Governor Lepage Blocks Access To Lifesaving Drug For Heroin Addicts

    LePage said that making naloxone more accessible would only “perpetuate the cycle of addiction” in Maine, a state at the epicenter of the opioid crisis. Thirty-five states and Washington, D.C. have passed laws allowing prescription-free naloxone, which is known on pharmacy shelves as Narcan?—?and major pharmacy chains, like Walgreens and CVS, have openly welcomed the move.
    The bill would have allowed pharmacists to dispense naloxone?—?the drug that once injected, reverses opioid overdoses?—?to anyone who may be at risk of overdosing, or someone close to them who could administer it in an emergency.

    https://thinkprogress.org/governor-blocks-access-to-lifesaving-drug-for-heroin-addicts-cc448b861e9e#.xwc3ldau0

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    4) LePage’s trifecta of spicy January quotes about drug dealers contrast with his ideas for handling their customers. He says addicts should be sent to drug treatment rather than to prison, and has called for investing more state resources in such empathy-based responses to narcotics possession offenses.
    That thaw in attitudes toward drug users makes LePage the latest in a string of white conservative politicians calling for a kinder, gentler approach to drug users. Some drug policy experts have suggested the shift from GOP leaders has a racial tinge: Lawmakers who supported punitive treatment for drugs like crack cocaine in previous years are now seeing young suburban white people become addicted to painkillers and updating their policy ideas.
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    2) In the past few years, opioid abuse has increased throughout Maine. 
    Opioids are medications that relieve pain. Medications that fall within this class include hydrocodone (e.g., Vicodin), oxycodone (e.g., OxyContin, Percocet), morphine (e.g., Kadian, Avinza), codeine, and related drugs.

    out-of-state drug "black and latino" dealers "who impregnate youg white girls" do not control the opioids drug markets. 


    According to

    Substance Abuse Trends in Maine
    State Epidemiological Profile 2015
    Produced for Maine Department of Health and Human Services
    Office of Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services
    by Hornby Zeller Associates, Inc.
    July 2015

    https://www.maine.gov/dhhs/samhs/osa/documents/SEOWEpiProfile2015FINALDRAFT.pdf

    <QUOTE>

    Indicator Description: LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ARRESTS RELATED TO DRUGS. This
    indicator reflects the number of arrests made by local law enforcement agencies (not the
    Maine Drug Enforcement Agency) that were related to drugs and includes manufacturing, sales,and possession.


    Why Indicator is Important: Arrest rates for drug sales, manufacturing and drug possession can
    be an indication of the rate of criminal behavior, but it is important to note that they are also an
    indication of the level of law enforcement. Arrests rates are expected to increase with
    increased enforcement regardless of whether criminal behavior changes.
    Data Source(s): DPS-UCR, 2009-2013

    Summary: Most drug-related offenses in 2013 were for possession rather than sale and
    manufacturing. Since 2009, it appears that adult arrests related to drugs have remained stable,
    while juvenile arrests have generally declined. Six out of ten drug offense arrests for possession
    are for marijuana.
    Most drug offenses in 2013 for both adults and juveniles were for possession (3,939 for
    adults, 420 for juveniles) rather than sales/manufacturing (1,159 for adults and 81 for
    juveniles).

    3) Governor Lepage Blocks Access To Lifesaving Drug For Heroin Addicts

    LePage said that making naloxone more accessible would only “perpetuate the cycle of addiction” in Maine, a state at the epicenter of the opioid crisis. Thirty-five states and Washington, D.C. have passed laws allowing prescription-free naloxone, which is known on pharmacy shelves as Narcan?—?and major pharmacy chains, like Walgreens and CVS, have openly welcomed the move.
    The bill would have allowed pharmacists to dispense naloxone?—?the drug that once injected, reverses opioid overdoses?—?to anyone who may be at risk of overdosing, or someone close to them who could administer it in an emergency.

    https://thinkprogress.org/governor-blocks-access-to-lifesaving-drug-for-heroin-addicts-cc448b861e9e#.xwc3ldau0

    <UNQUOTE>


    4) LePage’s trifecta of spicy January quotes about drug dealers contrast with his ideas for handling their customers. He says addicts should be sent to drug treatment rather than to prison, and has called for investing more state resources in such empathy-based responses to narcotics possession offenses.
    That thaw in attitudes toward drug users makes LePage the latest in a string of white conservative politicians calling for a kinder, gentler approach to drug users. Some drug policy experts have suggested the shift from GOP leaders has a racial tinge: Lawmakers who supported punitive treatment for drugs like crack cocaine in previous years are now seeing young suburban white people become addicted to painkillers and updating their policy ideas.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:


    The reality tho is the numbers shows that lepage is incorrect. And at the same time showed that even with the difference in races with white people being the majority of drug dealers, the numbers on people caught and prosecuted don't match the numbers of the people dealing the drugs.  The truth about the issue is interesting to say the least.  

    So the numbers and reality do not support what lepage and others say. It is not abour being politically incorrect as much as it is about it being mathematically incorrect or incorrect based on reality. 

    So if that is not why he is an idiot,  why do you call him an idiot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:


    The reality tho is the numbers shows that lepage is incorrect. And at the same time showed that even with the difference in races with white people being the majority of drug dealers, the numbers on people caught and prosecuted don't match the numbers of the people dealing the drugs.  The truth about the issue is interesting to say the least.  

    So the numbers and reality do not support what lepage and others say. It is not abour being politically incorrect as much as it is about it being mathematically incorrect or incorrect based on reality. 

    So if that is not why he is an idiot,  why do you call him an idiot?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


    I am not sure IF I understand which Lepage's statements you are defending.

    I am defending this statement ...
    "As per the article, LePage is unwilling to back down when speaking about race"
    Which I referenced in post #7.

    My post did not defend any of LePage's other comments, or his views on racial matters, only his willingness to go there.
    My comments were solely based upon the absurdity of political correctness run amok, which I solely wrote about in my post. 

    I could have debated your conclusions which were based on data regarding the percentages of whites to blacks, and which race was selling drugs, which race was getting arrested for it, all on a percentile basis, but that's a topic that I chose not to address. 
    I will simply point out that percentile data alone, sans any additional consideration, is terribly flawed.

    We can discuss that another day 



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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


    I am not sure IF I understand which Lepage's statements you are defending.

    I am defending this statement ...
    "As per the article, LePage is unwilling to back down when speaking about race"
    Which I referenced in post #7.

    My post did not defend any of LePage's other comments, or his views on racial matters, only his willingness to go there.
    My comments were solely based upon the absurdity of political correctness run amok, which I solely wrote about in my post. 

    I could have debated your conclusions which were based on data regarding the percentages of whites to blacks, and which race was selling drugs, which race was getting arrested for it, all on a percentile basis, but that's a topic that I chose not to address. 
    I will simply point out that percentile data alone, sans any additional consideration, is terribly flawed.

    We can discuss that another day 



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:


    So since I'm just saying what is true, and I'm glad you won't say anything I said was racist or bigotted or struck a nerve with you. Why walk on egg shells right?  So how to do feel about my statements?   


    I feel we are in lock-step on the issue of political correctness 
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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:


    So since I'm just saying what is true, and I'm glad you won't say anything I said was racist or bigotted or struck a nerve with you. Why walk on egg shells right?  So how to do feel about my statements?   


    I feel we are in lock-step on the issue of political correctness 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:


    and in my experience white people can dance.   Many of the best ballet dancers are white.  And  the the stripper who has the best dance skills and pole skills  in a strip club is always a white girl. 


    I don't think I've been in a strip club in 2 decades, but my recollection was that the best pole dancers were simply the ones who had teeth. 
    Of course, I might not have been visiting the finer establishments of such entertainment 
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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:


    and in my experience white people can dance.   Many of the best ballet dancers are white.  And  the the stripper who has the best dance skills and pole skills  in a strip club is always a white girl. 


    I don't think I've been in a strip club in 2 decades, but my recollection was that the best pole dancers were simply the ones who had teeth. 
    Of course, I might not have been visiting the finer establishments of such entertainment 
     
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    Lepage won with less than fifty percent of the vote twice. In Maine because we usually have 5 candidate s for governor office the " winner" gets the gig with less than majority with mere plurality
    His policy to not use narcan is to stop herioin use .death is a serious motivation not to Begin to use
    And no worries of a victim of an overdose to continue to relapse. No expensive drug rehab. Simply a casket and service and that case is solved given a reason for others not to use
    Heroin.
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    Lepage won with less than fifty percent of the vote twice. In Maine because we usually have 5 candidate s for governor office the " winner" gets the gig with less than majority with mere plurality
    His policy to not use narcan is to stop herioin use .death is a serious motivation not to Begin to use
    And no worries of a victim of an overdose to continue to relapse. No expensive drug rehab. Simply a casket and service and that case is solved given a reason for others not to use
    Heroin.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Lepage won with less than fifty percent of the vote twice. In Maine because we usually have 5 candidate s for governor office the " winner" gets the gig with less than majority with mere plurality
    His policy to not use narcan is to stop herioin use .death is a serious motivation not to Begin to use
    And no worries of a victim of an overdose to continue to relapse. No expensive drug rehab. Simply a casket and service and that case is solved given a reason for others not to use
    Heroin.

    interesting view point
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Lepage won with less than fifty percent of the vote twice. In Maine because we usually have 5 candidate s for governor office the " winner" gets the gig with less than majority with mere plurality
    His policy to not use narcan is to stop herioin use .death is a serious motivation not to Begin to use
    And no worries of a victim of an overdose to continue to relapse. No expensive drug rehab. Simply a casket and service and that case is solved given a reason for others not to use
    Heroin.

    interesting view point
     
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    This morning on her show Rachel Maddow said that last year in Maine there were 1200 drug related arrests and of those 100 were black individuals. That is about 8%.

    I guess we can only assume that the other 1100 were hispanics huh???

     
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    This morning on her show Rachel Maddow said that last year in Maine there were 1200 drug related arrests and of those 100 were black individuals. That is about 8%.

    I guess we can only assume that the other 1100 were hispanics huh???

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:


    I am defending this statement ...
    "As per the article, LePage is unwilling to back down when speaking about race"
    Which I referenced in post #7.

    My post did not defend any of LePage's other comments, or his views on racial matters, only his willingness to go there.
    My comments were solely based upon the absurdity of political correctness run amok, which I solely wrote about in my post. 

    I could have debated your conclusions which were based on data regarding the percentages of whites to blacks, and which race was selling drugs, which race was getting arrested for it, all on a percentile basis, but that's a topic that I chose not to address. 
    I will simply point out that percentile data alone, sans any additional consideration, is terribly flawed.

    We can discuss that another day 




    what political correctness are you referring to ?

    Political correctness is used to describe language, policies, or measures that are intended not to offend or disadvantage any particular group of people in society.

    Lepage has once again put his foot in his mouth, and has been wrong on many issues. It's not like Lepage is telling an inconvenient truth. he embarrassed himself whenever he runs his mouth.Political correctness does not apply to Lepage.

    How many "young white girls" have the "out-of-state black and latinos drug dealers" impregnated ?

    Lepage stated that he has a "3 ring binders" with all the out-of state black and latinos drug dealers and "young white girls ? 

    Mitt Romney also had a binder "full of women"

    is this a republican thing ? 

    what a load of  *bullshit* ?







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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:


    I am defending this statement ...
    "As per the article, LePage is unwilling to back down when speaking about race"
    Which I referenced in post #7.

    My post did not defend any of LePage's other comments, or his views on racial matters, only his willingness to go there.
    My comments were solely based upon the absurdity of political correctness run amok, which I solely wrote about in my post. 

    I could have debated your conclusions which were based on data regarding the percentages of whites to blacks, and which race was selling drugs, which race was getting arrested for it, all on a percentile basis, but that's a topic that I chose not to address. 
    I will simply point out that percentile data alone, sans any additional consideration, is terribly flawed.

    We can discuss that another day 




    what political correctness are you referring to ?

    Political correctness is used to describe language, policies, or measures that are intended not to offend or disadvantage any particular group of people in society.

    Lepage has once again put his foot in his mouth, and has been wrong on many issues. It's not like Lepage is telling an inconvenient truth. he embarrassed himself whenever he runs his mouth.Political correctness does not apply to Lepage.

    How many "young white girls" have the "out-of-state black and latinos drug dealers" impregnated ?

    Lepage stated that he has a "3 ring binders" with all the out-of state black and latinos drug dealers and "young white girls ? 

    Mitt Romney also had a binder "full of women"

    is this a republican thing ? 

    what a load of  *bullshit* ?







     
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    5 percent of the population is minority. Yet according to Rachel on MSNBC nearly ten percent of the criminal trafficking is done by Black's I sure she is talking of marijuana as well governor is about straightforward as a politician gets he is targeting heroin. Of trafficking of heroin Black's are 50% of arrests and most are not from this state . mdea state police and warden services are targeting the opiate crisis.
    They will run over a crop of weed to get a suspect involved with opiates
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    5 percent of the population is minority. Yet according to Rachel on MSNBC nearly ten percent of the criminal trafficking is done by Black's I sure she is talking of marijuana as well governor is about straightforward as a politician gets he is targeting heroin. Of trafficking of heroin Black's are 50% of arrests and most are not from this state . mdea state police and warden services are targeting the opiate crisis.
    They will run over a crop of weed to get a suspect involved with opiates
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:


    I feel we are in lock-step on the issue of political correctness 


    Funny I don't feel that way.  While I do agree people need to be able to face truth, I do believe that individuals should be grouped together and thought of as all the same and that be truth and that if someone does not agree with the practice of broad strokes, then they are being PC. 

    Read my second post.  I am interested to see you response to my comments and questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:


    I feel we are in lock-step on the issue of political correctness 


    Funny I don't feel that way.  While I do agree people need to be able to face truth, I do believe that individuals should be grouped together and thought of as all the same and that be truth and that if someone does not agree with the practice of broad strokes, then they are being PC. 

    Read my second post.  I am interested to see you response to my comments and questions.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


    what political correctness are you referring to ?

    Political correctness is used to describe language, policies, or measures that are intended not to offend or disadvantage any particular group of people in society.


    Kind of you to provide a definition of 'political correctness'
    I am left to assume that you feel that I am lacking knowledge of it.
    I appreciate you're taking the time to educate me, even if it was not necessary.

    In post #7, and again in post #13, I was clear, concise, and well articulated in my expressing how LePage did not fold to political correctness, and I respect that.

    I also said that LePage is a tool, and could be a racist.

    I could take the time to emphasis that what I wrote was nothing more than my pointing out that being PC has gone too far, but why?
    All any reasonable person has to do is read that which I ALREADY WROTE, and they would come to that conclusion. Of course, that might require a degree of objectiveness which might be lacking in this instance 
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


    what political correctness are you referring to ?

    Political correctness is used to describe language, policies, or measures that are intended not to offend or disadvantage any particular group of people in society.


    Kind of you to provide a definition of 'political correctness'
    I am left to assume that you feel that I am lacking knowledge of it.
    I appreciate you're taking the time to educate me, even if it was not necessary.

    In post #7, and again in post #13, I was clear, concise, and well articulated in my expressing how LePage did not fold to political correctness, and I respect that.

    I also said that LePage is a tool, and could be a racist.

    I could take the time to emphasis that what I wrote was nothing more than my pointing out that being PC has gone too far, but why?
    All any reasonable person has to do is read that which I ALREADY WROTE, and they would come to that conclusion. Of course, that might require a degree of objectiveness which might be lacking in this instance 
     
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    maine has a population of 1.2-1.3 million people.
    many nice folks who do not bother anyone.

    think of it. many of the folks are just wanting to live and not harm others. if you commit a crime in these small towns in maine they would know who you are because these towns are typically 30-50,000 people.

    it has to be the pain killers people are prescribing or people from neighboring states that are doing the dealing.
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    maine has a population of 1.2-1.3 million people.
    many nice folks who do not bother anyone.

    think of it. many of the folks are just wanting to live and not harm others. if you commit a crime in these small towns in maine they would know who you are because these towns are typically 30-50,000 people.

    it has to be the pain killers people are prescribing or people from neighboring states that are doing the dealing.
     
     
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    Yeah the opiates and pain killers need to be addressed.  Especially since unlike weed, it is s product of a pharmaceutical company.  
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    Yeah the opiates and pain killers need to be addressed.  Especially since unlike weed, it is s product of a pharmaceutical company.  
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