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wallstreetcappers

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2012 - 10:25 AM ET #51

Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

NO I am saying that the pollsters are tabulating the delegates by counting the delegates and giving them to the winner of the districts.

Problem is, that the delegates are not bound by anything other than their own vote.

Ron Paul's campaign started a delegate drive and had the delegates stacked.

Gotcha..it isnt difficult to see your angle, as it is with every single time things happen..always a conspiracy, always counter to what everyone and anyone else says.

Now with this "inside info"why are you not profiting off it? If you had this strong info where from what you and Koaj are suggesting he will win the nomination, that everyone else is trailing him..why are you not gathering all your resources and retiring after such a windfall?

I think it is a tiny stretch to suggest that he goes from less than 1% of the delegate count on most every other counted source to a commanding lead.

What excuses will you guys make when these projections end up being vapor? More conspiracy retorts?

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2012 - 10:53 AM ET #52

This isn't inside info, it is there for anyone with eyes and ears.

And the ability to click on a link to watch an explanation.

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2012 - 10:54 AM ET #53

Conspiracy theory.

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2012 - 10:54 AM ET #54

You wouldnt look so ignorant if you just watched the video.

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2012 - 11:08 AM ET #55

Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

You wouldnt look so ignorant if you just watched the video.

Ignorant eh..

So since I dont believe the line coming from the troops on the ground I guess I am ignorant.

Got it..as usual.

I understand the concept rick, I know that delegates are not committed until the actual convention. To ignore any other indicator but what you hear from the company is just a TINY bit naive to me.

Again..someone that does not agree with RP and the conclusions created from them is either ignorant, a liberal, communist, anti-constitution etc etc.

Got it..

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2012 - 12:23 PM ET #56

who is the Company? MSNBC? Rachael Maddow?

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wallstreetcappers

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2012 - 1:49 PM ET #57

Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

who is the Company? MSNBC? Rachael Maddow?

So should I return volley as you did above?

I will resist the temptation.

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2012 - 2:07 PM ET #58

Quote Originally Posted by dl36:

I hope paul wins... he is my first choice... and perhaps our only real hope...

Wow....so it is possible for you to make a post without somehow bashing Sara Palin. Keep it up!

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2012 - 5:03 PM ET #59

Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

rick,

So you and Koaj are basing the whole thing off what people who work for the company are saying..

And that is different than the projecting being done by places like the WSJ?

gotcha..

yes because the WSJ and others assume that delegates will vote the way of the straw poll winner

if you are/were active in the campaign and are on various email lists you know what they are doing. it is well within the rules of the party and at each state

i'm not taking my cues from Doug Wead. i can send you examples of people who have caucused in Iowa, Maine, Minnesota, Nevada etc...everyone at the end is a RP supporter. they understand exactly what they are doing

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2012 - 5:21 PM ET #60

Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:

Wow....so it is possible for you to make a post without somehow bashing Sara Palin. Keep it up!

same talking points...

unions bad, minimum wage, and leave

sarah

alone

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2012 - 5:49 PM ET #61

Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

Ignorant eh..

So since I dont believe the line coming from the troops on the ground I guess I am ignorant.

Got it..as usual.

I understand the concept rick, I know that delegates are not committed until the actual convention. To ignore any other indicator but what you hear from the company is just a TINY bit naive to me.

Again..someone that does not agree with RP and the conclusions created from them is either ignorant, a liberal, communist, anti-constitution etc etc.

Got it..

Not to feed into the Rick/KOAJ conspiracy theories, but having talked to delegates here as well as the Washington County thing, I can see they are pretty spot on to what people are at least TRYING to do.

Remains to be seen whether they actually will.

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2012 - 6:20 PM ET #62

Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

yes because the WSJ and others assume that delegates will vote the way of the straw poll winner

if you are/were active in the campaign and are on various email lists you know what they are doing. it is well within the rules of the party and at each state

i'm not taking my cues from Doug Wead. i can send you examples of people who have caucused in Iowa, Maine, Minnesota, Nevada etc...everyone at the end is a RP supporter. they understand exactly what they are doing

That is your OPINION, as you stated it does not matter what anyone says, including the RP opinion doobs until the convention. How you could theorize anything based on biased reporting makes no sense.

It isnt like every single time we go down this road you say the same thing. This is election two where you claimed this fluff, yet it did not materialize.

I will ask you the same question..since you KNOW that RP has more delegates than any candidate, why are you not hitting up the home equity, wife's 401k, your IRA, liquidate them all and retire after he wins the nomination?

You made the initial comment..

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2012 - 6:54 PM ET #63

whats a doob?

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wallstreetcappers

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2012 - 7:09 PM ET #64

Quote Originally Posted by dl36:

whats a doob?

Its too complicated to explain, thanks for nit picking.

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jinvegas

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2012 - 7:31 PM ET #65

what a thread,

why am i not surprised that wallstreetcappers doesnt have the time to watch a 10 minute youtube clip but will spend 20 minutes participating in a thread that is going in circles, only to derive the same conclusion as the youtube clip.

just a fyi, for clark county, NV, romney dominated the vote, but ron paul got more delegates than romney.

at least in nevada, they 'elect' the delegates for each district first, then vote, and the delegates can vote for whoever they want.

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2012 - 7:38 PM ET #66

Well I will pose the question to you as well "j"..

I didnt need to learn about how the process works, I understand how delegates vote at the convention, so why would I waste my time watching a 30 second clip when I already knew?

My contention (repeated over and over) is their opinions are just that..opinions. It is a joke for anyone to make the claim that Koaj did, so I disputed it..still do.

So knowing that RP has such a commanding lead, why arent all of you guys cashing in on this easy money?

I find humor in dismissing every other estimate out there and just blindly accepting another estimate..this one from the campaign in question.

You cannot make it up any better than this.

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 6:41 AM ET #67

Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

Well I will pose the question to you as well "j"..

I didnt need to learn about how the process works, I understand how delegates vote at the convention, so why would I waste my time watching a 30 second clip when I already knew?

My contention (repeated over and over) is their opinions are just that..opinions. It is a joke for anyone to make the claim that Koaj did, so I disputed it..still do.

So knowing that RP has such a commanding lead, why arent all of you guys cashing in on this easy money?

I find humor in dismissing every other estimate out there and just blindly accepting another estimate..this one from the campaign in question.

You cannot make it up any better than this.

if you already know how the delegate process works, why do you show utter disdain towards anyone who claims that the media reported numbers arent 100% factual since they are only going off of the 'popular' vote and not by the actual delegates 'elected' at the caucuses?

also, i dont understand your argument that since someone isnt betting on ron paul, then their delegate count must not be accurate. unless you know of somehow the GOP selects its candidate tomorrow, then its a completely irrelevant argument. there are still.

surely you understand the paul does well in caucus states, and surely you know that there are only 8 states left with caucuses, and surely youve heard the adage past performance doesnt guarantee future results. well, at least one would think you would know all this, but your utter lack of common sense in the matter suggests you dont know these things.

furthermore, why do you put so much emphasis on the medias reporting of delegates when you just admitted you understand how the delegate process works? do you think its just coincidence that in NV, romney is reported to earn 14/28 delegates when he got 50% of the vote, and newt got 6/28 when he got 21% (and .21 * 28 is ~6) and paul got 5/28 when he got 19% (.19 * 28 is ~5) and santorum got 3/28 when he got 10% (.1 * 28 is ~3).

i cant wait for some illogical response that completely evades the main point of this post

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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

Well I will pose the question to you as well "j"..

I didnt need to learn about how the process works, I understand how delegates vote at the convention, so why would I waste my time watching a 30 second clip when I already knew?

My contention (repeated over and over) is their opinions are just that..opinions. It is a joke for anyone to make the claim that Koaj did, so I disputed it..still do.

So knowing that RP has such a commanding lead, why arent all of you guys cashing in on this easy money?

I find humor in dismissing every other estimate out there and just blindly accepting another estimate..this one from the campaign in question.

You cannot make it up any better than this.

if you already know how the delegate process works, why do you show utter disdain towards anyone who claims that the media reported numbers arent 100% factual since they are only going off of the 'popular' vote and not by the actual delegates 'elected' at the caucuses?

also, i dont understand your argument that since someone isnt betting on ron paul, then their delegate count must not be accurate. unless you know of somehow the GOP selects its candidate tomorrow, then its a completely irrelevant argument. there are still.

surely you understand the paul does well in caucus states, and surely you know that there are only 8 states left with caucuses, and surely youve heard the adage past performance doesnt guarantee future results. well, at least one would think you would know all this, but your utter lack of common sense in the matter suggests you dont know these things.

furthermore, why do you put so much emphasis on the medias reporting of delegates when you just admitted you understand how the delegate process works? do you think its just coincidence that in NV, romney is reported to earn 14/28 delegates when he got 50% of the vote, and newt got 6/28 when he got 21% (and .21 * 28 is ~6) and paul got 5/28 when he got 19% (.19 * 28 is ~5) and santorum got 3/28 when he got 10% (.1 * 28 is ~3).

i cant wait for some illogical response that completely evades the main point of this post

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 7:10 AM ET #68

Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

That is your OPINION, as you stated it does not matter what anyone says, including the RP opinion doobs until the convention. How you could theorize anything based on biased reporting makes no sense.

It isnt like every single time we go down this road you say the same thing. This is election two where you claimed this fluff, yet it did not materialize.

I will ask you the same question..since you KNOW that RP has more delegates than any candidate, why are you not hitting up the home equity, wife's 401k, your IRA, liquidate them all and retire after he wins the nomination?

You made the initial comment..

i dont think i ever said he will win the nomination based on caucus results of 9 states. i did state that i believe he is in the lead on delegates but there is no way to know for sure which is what i stated

those who get RP emails and read what people on the ground have written know that RP has a lot more delegates than what is being reported by outlets like the WSJ

the point that rick and i have made and are trying to make is that no one knows how many delegates anyone has. delegates are usually measured by organization on the ground. no one has more ground troops than the RP campaign. take from that what you will and turn off your tv, dont open the wsj etc...all the same crap and owners

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 10:13 AM ET #69

J,

Thanks for that, very helpful and on topic..lol

Just a few comments- why do you show utter disdain towards anyone who claims that the media reported numbers arent 100% factual since they are only going off of the 'popular' vote and not by the actual delegates 'elected' at the caucuses?

Where did I show disdain for the scenario you described? Follow the trail of messages..I started questioning with great shock not at what you describe, rather what koaj did, which was pretty much the exact opposite. His "boots on the ground" pollsters have RP in the delegate LEAD..not just a few off or 90% compared to pretty much any and all other sources..more like 1000% in the opposite direction. It was a spotlight of amazement, that is when my "show of disdain" started and why..thanks for the glaring inaccurate generalization (as usual).

next- also, i dont understand your argument that since someone isnt betting on ron paul, then their delegate count must not be accurate. unless you know of somehow the GOP selects its candidate tomorrow, then its a completely irrelevant argument.

The comment (as previously discussed several times) is if one has inside info like this, shocking and confirmed (per koaj and others) then why the hell would you not profit from it? Its legal, confirmed information that one could easily arbitrage the general public and make money from it..but you know the underlying point of why I ask the question several times. The comment is more of "put your money where your mouth is". If you have this information and believe it then you would do nothing short of put all you have to support the data. Its similar to knowing that a key player who is on IR will come off and you know the line is wrong without any doubt..you trade off that knowledge and take advantage of market inefficiencies.

And lastly...but your utter lack of common sense in the matter suggests you dont know these things/i cant wait for some illogical response that completely evades the main point of this post

What can I say here..you lack the ability to debate without the constant personal insults.

I suppose we shall see if miraculously RP turns his 18 delegates into post #22's 150 plus. It is quite interesting that many of you will debate this myth into the ground but none of you will put up money behind it.

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J,

Thanks for that, very helpful and on topic..lol

Just a few comments- why do you show utter disdain towards anyone who claims that the media reported numbers arent 100% factual since they are only going off of the 'popular' vote and not by the actual delegates 'elected' at the caucuses?

Where did I show disdain for the scenario you described? Follow the trail of messages..I started questioning with great shock not at what you describe, rather what koaj did, which was pretty much the exact opposite. His "boots on the ground" pollsters have RP in the delegate LEAD..not just a few off or 90% compared to pretty much any and all other sources..more like 1000% in the opposite direction. It was a spotlight of amazement, that is when my "show of disdain" started and why..thanks for the glaring inaccurate generalization (as usual).

next- also, i dont understand your argument that since someone isnt betting on ron paul, then their delegate count must not be accurate. unless you know of somehow the GOP selects its candidate tomorrow, then its a completely irrelevant argument.

The comment (as previously discussed several times) is if one has inside info like this, shocking and confirmed (per koaj and others) then why the hell would you not profit from it? Its legal, confirmed information that one could easily arbitrage the general public and make money from it..but you know the underlying point of why I ask the question several times. The comment is more of "put your money where your mouth is". If you have this information and believe it then you would do nothing short of put all you have to support the data. Its similar to knowing that a key player who is on IR will come off and you know the line is wrong without any doubt..you trade off that knowledge and take advantage of market inefficiencies.

And lastly...but your utter lack of common sense in the matter suggests you dont know these things/i cant wait for some illogical response that completely evades the main point of this post

What can I say here..you lack the ability to debate without the constant personal insults.

I suppose we shall see if miraculously RP turns his 18 delegates into post #22's 150 plus. It is quite interesting that many of you will debate this myth into the ground but none of you will put up money behind it.

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 1:49 PM ET #70

I honestly am not betting Ron Paul, because I think that they will kill him before they let him win anything.

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 2:04 PM ET #71

Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

I honestly am not betting Ron Paul, because I think that they will kill him before they let him win anything.

i sure hope not...these arent the days of jfk with only 3 news channels and one man who anyone trusted (cronkite)

for what its worth, there are currently 119 Ron Paul-like liberty candidates serving across the country in various state senates and legislatures as well as congress (rand, amash, walter jones, mike lee etc. found that number the other day...that number will only grow as he is enormously popular with younger people who will grow sick and tired of being stolen from and told its for their own good

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 2:07 PM ET #72

I suppose we shall see if miraculously RP turns his 18 delegates into post #22's 150 plus. It is quite interesting that many of you will debate this myth into the ground but none of you will put up money behind it.

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he has 18 based on popular vote count/apportion in caucus states which means nothing

troops on the ground say otherwise...as does Doug Wead who is an adviser to the campaign

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 2:30 PM ET #73

https://ronpauldelegates.wordpress.com/

this site was started in may or june of 2011

the people in the caucus states were very well prepared and knew exactly what to do to become a delegate on the state and local level

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 2:39 PM ET #74

Politics and the man, fucking over the little guy.

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 2:47 PM ET #75

Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

I suppose we shall see if miraculously RP turns his 18 delegates into post #22's 150 plus. It is quite interesting that many of you will debate this myth into the ground but none of you will put up money behind it.

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he has 18 based on popular vote count/apportion in caucus states which means nothing

troops on the ground say otherwise...as does Doug Wead who is an adviser to the campaign

Ahh yes, the ole "troops on the ground" response again with a link to a RP slanted website..

got it.

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