Trump logic the blame for 9-11 is on the suit in the seat, that is a farce as is the farce that Biden is to blame for the Israel invasion and the Ukraine decision to toy with Russia via trying to join NATO. 9-11 was not due to Bush and none of the current stuff is about Biden either.Dont fall for partisan cud chewing, be smarter than this..
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Trump logic the blame for 9-11 is on the suit in the seat, that is a farce as is the farce that Biden is to blame for the Israel invasion and the Ukraine decision to toy with Russia via trying to join NATO. 9-11 was not due to Bush and none of the current stuff is about Biden either.Dont fall for partisan cud chewing, be smarter than this..
one last off topic of immigration I think every voter should be aware off. Two 80 year olds running, both have sides pointing fingers about mental state regarding age,
so who would then take office, VP. Your vote is Kamala or whoever Trump picks. Many think DJT will pick a woman, but my odds would place
Vivek Ganapathy Ramaswamy in the top slot right now. what are the odds of this VP pick I wonder??
one last off topic of immigration I think every voter should be aware off. Two 80 year olds running, both have sides pointing fingers about mental state regarding age,
so who would then take office, VP. Your vote is Kamala or whoever Trump picks. Many think DJT will pick a woman, but my odds would place
Vivek Ganapathy Ramaswamy in the top slot right now. what are the odds of this VP pick I wonder??
Romney accuses republicans of obstructing bipartisan efforts to improve border security. Republican Tillis says it's all about politics and not having the courage to disagree with Trump. He broke immigration system and won't let anyone fix it. Huge backlogs in processing force border officials to allow many migrants to enter the US. Experts say more personnel and resources are needed to deal with overwhelmed capacity. Rather than work with democrats to solve problem, republicans want border chaos to blame democrats in election year.
Romney accuses republicans of obstructing bipartisan efforts to improve border security. Republican Tillis says it's all about politics and not having the courage to disagree with Trump. He broke immigration system and won't let anyone fix it. Huge backlogs in processing force border officials to allow many migrants to enter the US. Experts say more personnel and resources are needed to deal with overwhelmed capacity. Rather than work with democrats to solve problem, republicans want border chaos to blame democrats in election year.
The comparison of GWB waiting 7 minutes in a Florida grade school after planes hit the Trades and Trumps 3 hours watching our country? being attacked?? This isn't even on the same level and never will be, if you think Jan 6th and 9/11 are comparable you really are bat shit crazy. On a scale of 1-10 of Attacks on the USA, Jan 6th might be 4. The 9/11 would be a 99!! remind me again how many in congress died on Jan 6th? The ONLY Attack that compares to 9/11 is Pearl Harbor under Franklin D. Roosevelt, who actually married his 5th cousin. Is it just me or is incest worse than being a dumbass? I know the comparison was about presidents reaction time but the events that happened under these POTUS need to be included. The morning 9/11 happened NOBODY knew what to do in those first minutes. Everyone was frozen, you can't fault 7 minutes. Then the pentagon was hit. The plane that went down in PA was going for the white house. No one can process any kind of reaction in those minutes. There are so many other presidents that we can only read about from the 1800's but most of them supported Slavery and even owned their own slaves. I would rank all of them and FDR way over any recent president since WWII Let's debate stuff.
Yep... the left is delusional...
This is the first time I've ever seen an ""insurrection"" fought w flagpoles and campaign signs...where is FDR ? I'm sure he would call Jan.6th a date which shall live in infamy !!! ( not really). Lol.
Quote Originally Posted by soup-can:
The comparison of GWB waiting 7 minutes in a Florida grade school after planes hit the Trades and Trumps 3 hours watching our country? being attacked?? This isn't even on the same level and never will be, if you think Jan 6th and 9/11 are comparable you really are bat shit crazy. On a scale of 1-10 of Attacks on the USA, Jan 6th might be 4. The 9/11 would be a 99!! remind me again how many in congress died on Jan 6th? The ONLY Attack that compares to 9/11 is Pearl Harbor under Franklin D. Roosevelt, who actually married his 5th cousin. Is it just me or is incest worse than being a dumbass? I know the comparison was about presidents reaction time but the events that happened under these POTUS need to be included. The morning 9/11 happened NOBODY knew what to do in those first minutes. Everyone was frozen, you can't fault 7 minutes. Then the pentagon was hit. The plane that went down in PA was going for the white house. No one can process any kind of reaction in those minutes. There are so many other presidents that we can only read about from the 1800's but most of them supported Slavery and even owned their own slaves. I would rank all of them and FDR way over any recent president since WWII Let's debate stuff.
Yep... the left is delusional...
This is the first time I've ever seen an ""insurrection"" fought w flagpoles and campaign signs...where is FDR ? I'm sure he would call Jan.6th a date which shall live in infamy !!! ( not really). Lol.
Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Trump logic the blame for 9-11 is on the suit in the seat, that is a farce as is the farce that Biden is to blame for the Israel invasion and the Ukraine decision to toy with Russia via trying to join NATO. 9-11 was not due to Bush and none of the current stuff is about Biden either.Dont fall for partisan cud chewing, be smarter than this.. @wallstreetcappers
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Trump logic the blame for 9-11 is on the suit in the seat, that is a farce as is the farce that Biden is to blame for the Israel invasion and the Ukraine decision to toy with Russia via trying to join NATO. 9-11 was not due to Bush and none of the current stuff is about Biden either.Dont fall for partisan cud chewing, be smarter than this.. @wallstreetcappers
Game changer! The following is from Russia's UN representative.
Russia's Permanent Representative to the United Nations, Vasily Nebenzya said publicly : “It is important to understand that by supplying weapons to Texas, Russia does not become a party to the conflict.”
Game changer! The following is from Russia's UN representative.
Russia's Permanent Representative to the United Nations, Vasily Nebenzya said publicly : “It is important to understand that by supplying weapons to Texas, Russia does not become a party to the conflict.”
one last off topic of immigration I think every voter should be aware off. Two 80 year olds running, both have sides pointing fingers about mental state regarding age, so who would then take office, VP. Your vote is Kamala or whoever Trump picks. Many think DJT will pick a woman, but my odds would place Vivek Ganapathy Ramaswamy in the top slot right now. what are the odds of this VP pick I wonder??
Couple of guys he talked to say he has chosen already and it is a man and not Vivek.
@soup-can
Quote Originally Posted by soup-can:
one last off topic of immigration I think every voter should be aware off. Two 80 year olds running, both have sides pointing fingers about mental state regarding age, so who would then take office, VP. Your vote is Kamala or whoever Trump picks. Many think DJT will pick a woman, but my odds would place Vivek Ganapathy Ramaswamy in the top slot right now. what are the odds of this VP pick I wonder??
Couple of guys he talked to say he has chosen already and it is a man and not Vivek.
That is a petty, partisan and passive message you made. Why spend seconds of your life trying to blame one party and elevate another when neither party are to blame for your cherry picked message?
How about this instead...why are we not outraged that for centuries the US has allowed places like Iran, Pakistan, North Korea and tons of Africa kill MILLIONS of people, innocent people and bring pain and suffering to people for no other purpose than to control and harm? Why are we not seeking more ways to disrupt these areas and change the dynamic? Are you mad at 3 US troops or the millions of non-US lives lost from the forceful brutal male dominated leaderships?
There is no way that any US politician can stop the death of every US life, hell we cant stop the loss of thousands of US lives in our own country from abuses, drugs, guns whatever and that is much more low hanging fruit than wondering why bad things happen to military service people in areas of the country that are VERY VERY high risk.
What will your tune be whenever the next GOP doob is in the chair and military members lose lives that nothing changes and the cycle continues? Will it be to blame the balance of congress and the senate or to blame the liberal media or the "deep state" or whatever other rabbits in the hat you have to deflect?
@UNIMAN
That is a petty, partisan and passive message you made. Why spend seconds of your life trying to blame one party and elevate another when neither party are to blame for your cherry picked message?
How about this instead...why are we not outraged that for centuries the US has allowed places like Iran, Pakistan, North Korea and tons of Africa kill MILLIONS of people, innocent people and bring pain and suffering to people for no other purpose than to control and harm? Why are we not seeking more ways to disrupt these areas and change the dynamic? Are you mad at 3 US troops or the millions of non-US lives lost from the forceful brutal male dominated leaderships?
There is no way that any US politician can stop the death of every US life, hell we cant stop the loss of thousands of US lives in our own country from abuses, drugs, guns whatever and that is much more low hanging fruit than wondering why bad things happen to military service people in areas of the country that are VERY VERY high risk.
What will your tune be whenever the next GOP doob is in the chair and military members lose lives that nothing changes and the cycle continues? Will it be to blame the balance of congress and the senate or to blame the liberal media or the "deep state" or whatever other rabbits in the hat you have to deflect?
Three American troops were killed in Syria and 25 wounded by Iran backed terrorists. Iran says thank you Joe Biden for releasing the $8 billion and opening your border, it will buy many more drones and pay for our operatives in the US.
It was only a matter of time until servicemen were killed, either directly or indirectly by Iran.
Dipshit Joe needs to go. He is literally killing us !
.... and yet, "" naive"" folks will say "" this stuff just happens "".. c'mon guys. Put on your thinking caps.
Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
Three American troops were killed in Syria and 25 wounded by Iran backed terrorists. Iran says thank you Joe Biden for releasing the $8 billion and opening your border, it will buy many more drones and pay for our operatives in the US.
It was only a matter of time until servicemen were killed, either directly or indirectly by Iran.
Dipshit Joe needs to go. He is literally killing us !
.... and yet, "" naive"" folks will say "" this stuff just happens "".. c'mon guys. Put on your thinking caps.
GOP doobie in the seat means no servicemen killed is that your suggestion? I think we can prove otherwise, or is it as I stated to your comrade above that when your dood is in the chair then discussion shifts to other partisan blame targets like senate or house numbers or the liberal media etc etc.
It would be much better if you just dropped the act and were concerned for people not just what rhetoric you can scheme to put down one politician to elevate yours.
@Rush51
Ok so lets play partisan patty cake...
GOP doobie in the seat means no servicemen killed is that your suggestion? I think we can prove otherwise, or is it as I stated to your comrade above that when your dood is in the chair then discussion shifts to other partisan blame targets like senate or house numbers or the liberal media etc etc.
It would be much better if you just dropped the act and were concerned for people not just what rhetoric you can scheme to put down one politician to elevate yours.
@Rush51 Ok so lets play partisan patty cake... GOP doobie in the seat means no servicemen killed is that your suggestion? I think we can prove otherwise, or is it as I stated to your comrade above that when your dood is in the chair then discussion shifts to other partisan blame targets like senate or house numbers or the liberal media etc etc. It would be much better if you just dropped the act and were concerned for people not just what rhetoric you can scheme to put down one politician to elevate yours.
I'm not here to play games... I'm here to talk some common sense to some uncommon people here on Covers.
Let me ask you a couple questions; Do you think Russia launches their war under a Trump presidency ? Do you think Hamas ( via Iran) launches a huge attack on Israel ?
Biden's Administration has said one of their primary goals from the Gaza War is to prevent it from spinning to an all out Middle East War. Now what ? Iran doesn't give a shit about keeping the peace, and knows we have a weak, ineffective leader.
Weakness is a dangerous thing.
Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
@Rush51 Ok so lets play partisan patty cake... GOP doobie in the seat means no servicemen killed is that your suggestion? I think we can prove otherwise, or is it as I stated to your comrade above that when your dood is in the chair then discussion shifts to other partisan blame targets like senate or house numbers or the liberal media etc etc. It would be much better if you just dropped the act and were concerned for people not just what rhetoric you can scheme to put down one politician to elevate yours.
I'm not here to play games... I'm here to talk some common sense to some uncommon people here on Covers.
Let me ask you a couple questions; Do you think Russia launches their war under a Trump presidency ? Do you think Hamas ( via Iran) launches a huge attack on Israel ?
Biden's Administration has said one of their primary goals from the Gaza War is to prevent it from spinning to an all out Middle East War. Now what ? Iran doesn't give a shit about keeping the peace, and knows we have a weak, ineffective leader.
If Ukraine does what they did (IMO) Russia does what they did, so the threat of NATO or whatever the trigger is not about Biden or Trump
Israel- Ive stated this before I dont think they and especially Benny cares one lick of what Biden or Trump thinks and his actions regarding what the UN said this week and what allies have suggested TATTOO that strongly...if you are not with him/them then they dont care what you think period. No social media temper tantrums will change the fact that Israel is always angling for a way to go after their enemies, been so for thousands of years
Biden and all US politicians believe what you stated that the larger over reaching concern about engaging more participants in the situation is extremely critical. The US does not want to be in the middle of a Euro risk war with Iran or Syria or all the total enemies of Israel so yes that for sure 100% is of the top priority as it should be unfortunately.
@Rush51
Answers to your first-
Yes and yes and yes
If Ukraine does what they did (IMO) Russia does what they did, so the threat of NATO or whatever the trigger is not about Biden or Trump
Israel- Ive stated this before I dont think they and especially Benny cares one lick of what Biden or Trump thinks and his actions regarding what the UN said this week and what allies have suggested TATTOO that strongly...if you are not with him/them then they dont care what you think period. No social media temper tantrums will change the fact that Israel is always angling for a way to go after their enemies, been so for thousands of years
Biden and all US politicians believe what you stated that the larger over reaching concern about engaging more participants in the situation is extremely critical. The US does not want to be in the middle of a Euro risk war with Iran or Syria or all the total enemies of Israel so yes that for sure 100% is of the top priority as it should be unfortunately.
Free up Billions for Iran is a chess play bub and you know it. The US and all their allies do not want Iran to escalate their nuke program or to provoke them because it poses a risk to millions of our allies and more people than just our allegiance to Israel.
Israel made this situation dire, they provoked their enemies by how they have handled this situation, they have taken the opportunity to not only try to clean up Gaza but they are extending it as many including ME knew that Israel had larger goals in mind and this was just an opportunity to expand their military objectives and they will not be stopped. We should stop funding them unless they change their aggressive offensive goals.
@Rush51
Free up Billions for Iran is a chess play bub and you know it. The US and all their allies do not want Iran to escalate their nuke program or to provoke them because it poses a risk to millions of our allies and more people than just our allegiance to Israel.
Israel made this situation dire, they provoked their enemies by how they have handled this situation, they have taken the opportunity to not only try to clean up Gaza but they are extending it as many including ME knew that Israel had larger goals in mind and this was just an opportunity to expand their military objectives and they will not be stopped. We should stop funding them unless they change their aggressive offensive goals.
Cherry picking? The three groups that are actively trying to kill j-e-w-s and Americans are EXACTLY the three groups Trump refused to give an inch. Along comes Biden and, Oh, Trump did that? Let's do the opposite.
--Trump stopped funding UNRWA, 2021-fund them!!! 2024-Nine countries including Biden in the US stop funding UNRWA as 12 members identified as taking part in massacre. Biden now helping Israel defeat a group he sent about a billion dollars.
--Trump declared Houthis a terrorist organization. 2021- Biden reverses it, sends aid to the region. 2024-Houthis attacking US ships, Biden re-labels Houthis as terrorist group. Biden now striking group he gave aid to.
--Trump refuses to release Iranian assests. 9/11/2023, Biden releases Iranian assests. Less than one month later Iranian backed Hamas rape, mame, and kill over a 1,000 in a single day. Yesterday Iranian backed terrorists drone strike U.S. troops in Jordan, killing three. Biden condemns Iran as many tell him he must now strike Iran back.
HE AND HIS ADMINISTRATION COULD NOT HAVE DONE WORSE.
And as far as other third world regimes killing and imprisoning their own. We here in the United States are almost there too.
Your/we will never change these people. History has shown this time and again. Look at Afghanistan, ten+ years of US influence and they never even fight for their own freedom, fall in a manner of hours. They don't want it and the more we interfere the more we muck it up.
@wallstreetcappers
Cherry picking? The three groups that are actively trying to kill j-e-w-s and Americans are EXACTLY the three groups Trump refused to give an inch. Along comes Biden and, Oh, Trump did that? Let's do the opposite.
--Trump stopped funding UNRWA, 2021-fund them!!! 2024-Nine countries including Biden in the US stop funding UNRWA as 12 members identified as taking part in massacre. Biden now helping Israel defeat a group he sent about a billion dollars.
--Trump declared Houthis a terrorist organization. 2021- Biden reverses it, sends aid to the region. 2024-Houthis attacking US ships, Biden re-labels Houthis as terrorist group. Biden now striking group he gave aid to.
--Trump refuses to release Iranian assests. 9/11/2023, Biden releases Iranian assests. Less than one month later Iranian backed Hamas rape, mame, and kill over a 1,000 in a single day. Yesterday Iranian backed terrorists drone strike U.S. troops in Jordan, killing three. Biden condemns Iran as many tell him he must now strike Iran back.
HE AND HIS ADMINISTRATION COULD NOT HAVE DONE WORSE.
And as far as other third world regimes killing and imprisoning their own. We here in the United States are almost there too.
Your/we will never change these people. History has shown this time and again. Look at Afghanistan, ten+ years of US influence and they never even fight for their own freedom, fall in a manner of hours. They don't want it and the more we interfere the more we muck it up.
Those are weak sauce impact items and you should know this. Iran does not make decisions off some UN funding or lack of it or that Trump brands their extremist groups one thing or Biden another, its so far way far higher than these simpleton topics and THEY know it.
Israel caused two of the issues, they are stoking the fire with their enemies and that is why events are brewing in the region and if anything Israel is being reckless and careless about anyone but themselves, Israel being antagonistic in the region brings the risk for many of our allies extremely high. Provoking Iran or Syria brings in others in the region and I can tell you this, MOST in that region will side against Israel and that means against the US. It also means risk for our friends who are within range and have more connections to the region than the average US citizen does. Benji is not concerned with what Trump or Biden thinks, Benji was ousted for being an aggressive extremist and got back in with the intention of going right back to what he was before and that is bad news for the US and the region.
Many of your group here make things about what a US politician does and not what the antagonists are doing, what the parties involved in the situation are doing its all that one politician can rule the universe and the other sucks, thats how you guys act. That is why I made the comment about 9-11 and Bush, you do not believe that Bush caused 9-11 or that a different politician would have side stepped it or stopped it. I do not believe that a politician no matter how much time they spend on social media bashing other people are any better able to avoid conflict or change the world.
@UNIMAN
Those are weak sauce impact items and you should know this. Iran does not make decisions off some UN funding or lack of it or that Trump brands their extremist groups one thing or Biden another, its so far way far higher than these simpleton topics and THEY know it.
Israel caused two of the issues, they are stoking the fire with their enemies and that is why events are brewing in the region and if anything Israel is being reckless and careless about anyone but themselves, Israel being antagonistic in the region brings the risk for many of our allies extremely high. Provoking Iran or Syria brings in others in the region and I can tell you this, MOST in that region will side against Israel and that means against the US. It also means risk for our friends who are within range and have more connections to the region than the average US citizen does. Benji is not concerned with what Trump or Biden thinks, Benji was ousted for being an aggressive extremist and got back in with the intention of going right back to what he was before and that is bad news for the US and the region.
Many of your group here make things about what a US politician does and not what the antagonists are doing, what the parties involved in the situation are doing its all that one politician can rule the universe and the other sucks, thats how you guys act. That is why I made the comment about 9-11 and Bush, you do not believe that Bush caused 9-11 or that a different politician would have side stepped it or stopped it. I do not believe that a politician no matter how much time they spend on social media bashing other people are any better able to avoid conflict or change the world.
I’d like to see you flip the script every so often around here and make yourself actually seem as bi-partisan as you always say you are ….
you are engaging in conversations here that are not solely based on the fact that you must perform your moderating duties that require you to halt “ the attacking nature “ of members that have gone too far .
you are thoroughly enjoying yourself in some of these conversations , as you are immersed in the intoxicating embrace of communication and all it’s gifts , and you are touching upon a myriad of topics that could be labeled “ personal pleasure “ rather than “ job requirements “ ….
Can we see some exchanges with you and the Democratic members here also ? You can’t possibly agree with everything that they post or believe .
Can you ?
you leave most of them to die a silent death .
why is that ?
I think that’s what’s missing . This pattern or equation that I’m always seeing has it’s constants , but it also needs some variables . All you do is attack certain member’s points , but others nary see a word typed out to them .
makes no sense .
Unless you are 100 percent standing behind the convictions of the people that you never choose to enter into conversations with , I do not see how from time to time you don’t offer them up a rebuttal as well .
That would make things a little more fair and balanced around here . Plus it would give you some street cred . And it would take some of the heat off of the back of your neck because these facts that I’ve stated are accurate and glaringly obvious .
you not telling us something ? Are those other members not worth your time ? Do you feel that they aren’t up to your standards for discussion or something . Lost causes ? This always struck me as odd . Just looking for some clarity .
please don’t say that we’ve been over this already .
because this is straight politics .
much respect
wallstreetcappers craps in his draws and pees fuckin backwards from his vaj with a squirt.
I’d like to see you flip the script every so often around here and make yourself actually seem as bi-partisan as you always say you are ….
you are engaging in conversations here that are not solely based on the fact that you must perform your moderating duties that require you to halt “ the attacking nature “ of members that have gone too far .
you are thoroughly enjoying yourself in some of these conversations , as you are immersed in the intoxicating embrace of communication and all it’s gifts , and you are touching upon a myriad of topics that could be labeled “ personal pleasure “ rather than “ job requirements “ ….
Can we see some exchanges with you and the Democratic members here also ? You can’t possibly agree with everything that they post or believe .
Can you ?
you leave most of them to die a silent death .
why is that ?
I think that’s what’s missing . This pattern or equation that I’m always seeing has it’s constants , but it also needs some variables . All you do is attack certain member’s points , but others nary see a word typed out to them .
makes no sense .
Unless you are 100 percent standing behind the convictions of the people that you never choose to enter into conversations with , I do not see how from time to time you don’t offer them up a rebuttal as well .
That would make things a little more fair and balanced around here . Plus it would give you some street cred . And it would take some of the heat off of the back of your neck because these facts that I’ve stated are accurate and glaringly obvious .
you not telling us something ? Are those other members not worth your time ? Do you feel that they aren’t up to your standards for discussion or something . Lost causes ? This always struck me as odd . Just looking for some clarity .
please don’t say that we’ve been over this already .
Yeah I gotcha on that , I understand but someone , at some point , has to break the chain of mediocrity that is keeping progress at bay …… it takes a real motherfucker to not fall victim , or to be the prey , of everything that has kept people back from accomplishing great things . It’s gonna involve taking some lumps and not taking the easy way out , but guess what ? I believe we are those motherfuckers
I stand by these words that I wrote on page 1 of this very thread . On this last page alone you have gone “ all in “ with 5 monster posts towards certain members that in your eyes have a specific affiliation .
Where are these kinds of posts , let alone smaller sized posts that provoke discussion for the other side to counter ? so that they may also explain their position on topics and subjects ?
Do you just not even bother with them because it’s not worth it ? and because they are below your standards of communication and conversation ?
or do you stand 100 percent behind everything that they believe in ?
And that’s the reason why you never engage with them in these kinds of tumultuous debates ?
INQUIRING minds would like to know , and this may not be a NATIONAL issue per se , but it is a Covers Politics Forum one ……
And again , even though I do not understand why I feel the need to repeat myself for the umpteenth time , I will do it anyway as a sign of diligence towards peace :
I am not attacking you , I respect you , and my passion is to gain knowledge , and that is why I am asking these questions , and there is no other reason , malicious or otherwise
wallstreetcappers craps in his draws and pees fuckin backwards from his vaj with a squirt.
Quote Originally Posted by spockgato:
Yeah I gotcha on that , I understand but someone , at some point , has to break the chain of mediocrity that is keeping progress at bay …… it takes a real motherfucker to not fall victim , or to be the prey , of everything that has kept people back from accomplishing great things . It’s gonna involve taking some lumps and not taking the easy way out , but guess what ? I believe we are those motherfuckers
I stand by these words that I wrote on page 1 of this very thread . On this last page alone you have gone “ all in “ with 5 monster posts towards certain members that in your eyes have a specific affiliation .
Where are these kinds of posts , let alone smaller sized posts that provoke discussion for the other side to counter ? so that they may also explain their position on topics and subjects ?
Do you just not even bother with them because it’s not worth it ? and because they are below your standards of communication and conversation ?
or do you stand 100 percent behind everything that they believe in ?
And that’s the reason why you never engage with them in these kinds of tumultuous debates ?
INQUIRING minds would like to know , and this may not be a NATIONAL issue per se , but it is a Covers Politics Forum one ……
And again , even though I do not understand why I feel the need to repeat myself for the umpteenth time , I will do it anyway as a sign of diligence towards peace :
I am not attacking you , I respect you , and my passion is to gain knowledge , and that is why I am asking these questions , and there is no other reason , malicious or otherwise
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