lets see companies not providing health insurance anymore, thus creating more people in govt paid for plans. Lets see, how does the govt pay for all those extra plans above the 40 million uninsured people? Higher taxes on everybody.
So Don, are you starting to see the big picture yet? no company insurance plans and higher taxes for everybody. yup the little guy sure did win yesterday.
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lets see companies not providing health insurance anymore, thus creating more people in govt paid for plans. Lets see, how does the govt pay for all those extra plans above the 40 million uninsured people? Higher taxes on everybody.
So Don, are you starting to see the big picture yet? no company insurance plans and higher taxes for everybody. yup the little guy sure did win yesterday.
I'll go back and forth with you until it sinks your mind, maybe a light will go on !
Reply on #1....Heck no, I don't feel I am entitled to anything. I paid in the max, that was the retirement program at that time, plus savings. I am thankful that the program worked.. My father died at 59 years old, my mother at 62. He paid in for life, she about half her life.They didn't collect a cent.
2. The democrats tried to fix the system many times. Just as they are now. But the party of NO stops them on everything. Obama tried and tried to compromise, they would not. They took a chance and they lost the S.Court decision.
Keep this in mind, the wealthy paid a higher tax rate back then. .. The Bush tax cuts for the wealthy was the reason it failed.
Republicans fought Medicare tooth and nail in the 50s and early 60s. But, they would rather walk by a senior citizen laying in the street, and think to themself, " You should have saved your money for a emergency Pal !"
That's why I would never vote for a repulsican. So, if you earn less than 270,000 per year you are voting against your own interests.
So what you're suggesting is that you and your kind always vote self interest?? It's all about you and everyone else can die. Very classy. How about what's in the best interest of the country.
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:
I'll go back and forth with you until it sinks your mind, maybe a light will go on !
Reply on #1....Heck no, I don't feel I am entitled to anything. I paid in the max, that was the retirement program at that time, plus savings. I am thankful that the program worked.. My father died at 59 years old, my mother at 62. He paid in for life, she about half her life.They didn't collect a cent.
2. The democrats tried to fix the system many times. Just as they are now. But the party of NO stops them on everything. Obama tried and tried to compromise, they would not. They took a chance and they lost the S.Court decision.
Keep this in mind, the wealthy paid a higher tax rate back then. .. The Bush tax cuts for the wealthy was the reason it failed.
Republicans fought Medicare tooth and nail in the 50s and early 60s. But, they would rather walk by a senior citizen laying in the street, and think to themself, " You should have saved your money for a emergency Pal !"
That's why I would never vote for a repulsican. So, if you earn less than 270,000 per year you are voting against your own interests.
So what you're suggesting is that you and your kind always vote self interest?? It's all about you and everyone else can die. Very classy. How about what's in the best interest of the country.
lets see companies not providing health insurance anymore, thus creating more people in govt paid for plans. Lets see, how does the govt pay for all those extra plans above the 40 million uninsured people? Higher taxes on everybody.
So Don, are you starting to see the big picture yet? no company insurance plans and higher taxes for everybody. yup the little guy sure did win yesterday.
First, I won't discuss anything with Esplanade, I told him that years ago.
CD, you are the one who do not see the big picture.. Yes the little guy won, but it will take awhile to show more results. They've already won with the on parents insurance until the age 26, and the prexisting condition, portion of the bill. Can you not see that ?
Secondly, do you think they are stupid enough not to make the penalty for not having it higher than compliance ? Trust me on this..Insurance companies will figure a way to get customer from the gov,t..
This really doesn't go into effect until 2014, plenty of time for the dust to settle. The bottom line is.. The big insurance companies don't dictate anymore, they will be like any other company.. As I have stated numerous times .. the free market works, WITH REGULATION ! without that, it turns into greed.
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:
lets see companies not providing health insurance anymore, thus creating more people in govt paid for plans. Lets see, how does the govt pay for all those extra plans above the 40 million uninsured people? Higher taxes on everybody.
So Don, are you starting to see the big picture yet? no company insurance plans and higher taxes for everybody. yup the little guy sure did win yesterday.
First, I won't discuss anything with Esplanade, I told him that years ago.
CD, you are the one who do not see the big picture.. Yes the little guy won, but it will take awhile to show more results. They've already won with the on parents insurance until the age 26, and the prexisting condition, portion of the bill. Can you not see that ?
Secondly, do you think they are stupid enough not to make the penalty for not having it higher than compliance ? Trust me on this..Insurance companies will figure a way to get customer from the gov,t..
This really doesn't go into effect until 2014, plenty of time for the dust to settle. The bottom line is.. The big insurance companies don't dictate anymore, they will be like any other company.. As I have stated numerous times .. the free market works, WITH REGULATION ! without that, it turns into greed.
Don, sorry but you arent seeing the big picture. How does the little guy win, when people with good insurance plans will now be thrown into govt plans, because companies wont have to pay for health plans anymore. The fines for the companies throwing people into govt plans is way less then the cost of paying for the plans themselves, something you obviously didnt know. Companies are going to save bundles just paying the fines and not actual insurance plans. I dont know where you have been, but thats already in the bill.
Things like pre existing conditions is a good thing, as is having kids able to stay on parents plans.
Let me also say one thing about kids staying on their parents plans until 26. Dont you think that age is a little extreme? Average life span of a person is 78, so real middle age is 39, not the 50's like they want you to believe. At 26 kids should be out of the nest and starting their own families by then. But that goes back to my other point and that is, maybe if the politicians actually worked on getting jobs back into this country, everybody would be able to have health insurance plans from their jobs.
This is a total win for insurance companies and big corporations and its quite sad that you are truly not seeing the big picture of how everyday middle class workers are going to now get it stuck in their asses even more, with crappy govt plans and higher taxes to pay for this crap.
This is not to mention the power the supreme court has now given the politicians to control even more of your life, if they decide to.
Take the blinders off on this one Don, because your 100 percent wrong. The little guy lost once again
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Don, sorry but you arent seeing the big picture. How does the little guy win, when people with good insurance plans will now be thrown into govt plans, because companies wont have to pay for health plans anymore. The fines for the companies throwing people into govt plans is way less then the cost of paying for the plans themselves, something you obviously didnt know. Companies are going to save bundles just paying the fines and not actual insurance plans. I dont know where you have been, but thats already in the bill.
Things like pre existing conditions is a good thing, as is having kids able to stay on parents plans.
Let me also say one thing about kids staying on their parents plans until 26. Dont you think that age is a little extreme? Average life span of a person is 78, so real middle age is 39, not the 50's like they want you to believe. At 26 kids should be out of the nest and starting their own families by then. But that goes back to my other point and that is, maybe if the politicians actually worked on getting jobs back into this country, everybody would be able to have health insurance plans from their jobs.
This is a total win for insurance companies and big corporations and its quite sad that you are truly not seeing the big picture of how everyday middle class workers are going to now get it stuck in their asses even more, with crappy govt plans and higher taxes to pay for this crap.
This is not to mention the power the supreme court has now given the politicians to control even more of your life, if they decide to.
Take the blinders off on this one Don, because your 100 percent wrong. The little guy lost once again
First, I won't discuss anything with Esplanade, I told him that years ago.
what is there to discuss?
obama whining, liberals, pelosi
And once you call him on his talking out of his ass, he insults intelligence when he is getting owned to try to compensate for his feelings of inadequacy....
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:
First, I won't discuss anything with Esplanade, I told him that years ago.
what is there to discuss?
obama whining, liberals, pelosi
And once you call him on his talking out of his ass, he insults intelligence when he is getting owned to try to compensate for his feelings of inadequacy....
Well thats what i get for sticking up for you DL, more cheap ass shots from you.
You wanna piece of me you lowlife dirtbag with a big mouth, take your best shot. Your just an internet troll and i have had enough of your silly games. Your one of the biggest instigators on this site, with all your babbling.
You wanna take a shot at my mother go ahead dirtbag
Covers knows
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Well thats what i get for sticking up for you DL, more cheap ass shots from you.
You wanna piece of me you lowlife dirtbag with a big mouth, take your best shot. Your just an internet troll and i have had enough of your silly games. Your one of the biggest instigators on this site, with all your babbling.
You wanna take a shot at my mother go ahead dirtbag
CD, You know it's like you are not even reading my posts.. Because you are saying the same thing that I just explained to you...
When I explained that the Govt would make the penalty higher thancompliance, you just said the same thing over again.
2. No that age is not extreme...Letting kids 19 to 26 stay on parents insurance is great for young college students. And great because most of the jobs have gone to part time, with little or no health insurance.
Yes democrats are working to get jobs back, be the repulsicans have been saying NO to every job creation proposal for 3 years.. They don't give a crap about the little guy. They just wanted Obama out so bad that they let things go until the next election.. But this time they are sadly mistaken.You shall see.
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CD, You know it's like you are not even reading my posts.. Because you are saying the same thing that I just explained to you...
When I explained that the Govt would make the penalty higher thancompliance, you just said the same thing over again.
2. No that age is not extreme...Letting kids 19 to 26 stay on parents insurance is great for young college students. And great because most of the jobs have gone to part time, with little or no health insurance.
Yes democrats are working to get jobs back, be the repulsicans have been saying NO to every job creation proposal for 3 years.. They don't give a crap about the little guy. They just wanted Obama out so bad that they let things go until the next election.. But this time they are sadly mistaken.You shall see.
Don, you must be living in a fantasy world. The penalty isnt higher then the compliance. In fact companies will gladly pay the penalty instead of paying for health plans for their employess.
Dont know where your getting your info, but its 100 percent wrong about the penalty.
We can argue all day long, the little guy, especially the middle class are going to get this shit stuck right up their asses. I guess you think when the middle class factory worker loses his good health plan he worked for and ends up getting some crappy govt plan is a win for them Its a total loss. on top of that their taxes are going to increase to pay for thsi crappy govt plan.
How you cant grasp that is beyond me, cause i always considered you to be a pretty smart cat, but its not showing here.
Like i said the insurance industry, corporations and the power now given to politicians are the only winners.
Am sorry that you arent able to see the forest thru the trees.
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Don, you must be living in a fantasy world. The penalty isnt higher then the compliance. In fact companies will gladly pay the penalty instead of paying for health plans for their employess.
Dont know where your getting your info, but its 100 percent wrong about the penalty.
We can argue all day long, the little guy, especially the middle class are going to get this shit stuck right up their asses. I guess you think when the middle class factory worker loses his good health plan he worked for and ends up getting some crappy govt plan is a win for them Its a total loss. on top of that their taxes are going to increase to pay for thsi crappy govt plan.
How you cant grasp that is beyond me, cause i always considered you to be a pretty smart cat, but its not showing here.
Like i said the insurance industry, corporations and the power now given to politicians are the only winners.
Am sorry that you arent able to see the forest thru the trees.
CD, you are a pretty intelligent guy, but you're speed reading or something. I say again, for the 3rd time...The gov't WILLNOT LET THE PENALTY STAY LOWER THAN COMPLIANCE, THE PENALTY AMOUNT IS NOT SET INCONCRETE. do you really think they are that stupid ? The democrats have stated many times that they formed the bill just to satisfy the republicans in order to get it passed, and will adjust, and work on the details later.
SECONDLY, CD..The workers were slowly losing their health care anyway because of the high costs ! And companies could not compete with China, India, etc. The trend was plain to see.
It will not be a crappy plan, it will work if we continue to vote for the middle class candidates. The government had to change the system because many foriegn countries had universal health care, or cheap labor. and our country could not compete with the world trade market.
Finally post in this thread, time to move on my good friend.
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CD, you are a pretty intelligent guy, but you're speed reading or something. I say again, for the 3rd time...The gov't WILLNOT LET THE PENALTY STAY LOWER THAN COMPLIANCE, THE PENALTY AMOUNT IS NOT SET INCONCRETE. do you really think they are that stupid ? The democrats have stated many times that they formed the bill just to satisfy the republicans in order to get it passed, and will adjust, and work on the details later.
SECONDLY, CD..The workers were slowly losing their health care anyway because of the high costs ! And companies could not compete with China, India, etc. The trend was plain to see.
It will not be a crappy plan, it will work if we continue to vote for the middle class candidates. The government had to change the system because many foriegn countries had universal health care, or cheap labor. and our country could not compete with the world trade market.
Finally post in this thread, time to move on my good friend.
Don, you can believe all you want that the govt is going to make the penalty higher then the compliance, but it wont happen in a million years.
who the hell do you think runs the govt and tells the politicians what to do? Its the friggin corporations, so if you think they are going to set higher penalities for themselves, you must be sniffing glue. Sorry Don, but you are 100 percent wrong on this one and its a shame you cant see the scam that has been pulled on all of us.
also your totally nuts to think some govt plan is going to be a good plan, not gonna happen.
The lower class and middle class are once again gonna get it stuck in their asses at the expense of the rich fatcats.
Take the blinders off and you might be able to see whats really happening. Sometimes you have to stray from the left Don, they arent always right
oh and one other thing, you said do i think the govt is that stupid and my answer is yes they are and they are very corrupt.
corporations, insurance industry and politicians are gonna have a field day with this bullshit
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Don, you can believe all you want that the govt is going to make the penalty higher then the compliance, but it wont happen in a million years.
who the hell do you think runs the govt and tells the politicians what to do? Its the friggin corporations, so if you think they are going to set higher penalities for themselves, you must be sniffing glue. Sorry Don, but you are 100 percent wrong on this one and its a shame you cant see the scam that has been pulled on all of us.
also your totally nuts to think some govt plan is going to be a good plan, not gonna happen.
The lower class and middle class are once again gonna get it stuck in their asses at the expense of the rich fatcats.
Take the blinders off and you might be able to see whats really happening. Sometimes you have to stray from the left Don, they arent always right
oh and one other thing, you said do i think the govt is that stupid and my answer is yes they are and they are very corrupt.
corporations, insurance industry and politicians are gonna have a field day with this bullshit
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Sometimes you have to stray from the left Don, they arent always right
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