Rick there is no scandal here. This happened nearly 8 months ago and the GOP tried using it against Obama in the election and that was a miserable failure. The GOP needs a new strategy. This one is old and mostly only partisan right wingers are "focused on the truth". Worst case is the administration is guilty of a PR job after the attack.
Given that the GOP has utterly incompetent leadership the focus on this is no surprise.
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Rick there is no scandal here. This happened nearly 8 months ago and the GOP tried using it against Obama in the election and that was a miserable failure. The GOP needs a new strategy. This one is old and mostly only partisan right wingers are "focused on the truth". Worst case is the administration is guilty of a PR job after the attack.
Given that the GOP has utterly incompetent leadership the focus on this is no surprise.
Rick there is no scandal here. This happened nearly 8 months ago and the GOP tried using it against Obama in the election and that was a miserable failure. The GOP needs a new strategy. This one is old and mostly only partisan right wingers are "focused on the truth". Worst case is the administration is guilty of a PR job after the attack.
Given that the GOP has utterly incompetent leadership the focus on this is no surprise.
You see a PR job, I see obfuscation, misdirection, and outright lies to the American people following a Terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9/11.
I see this as incompetent negligence, cloaked in a cover-up.
You think, "no big whoop"
I think " wow, I know the government lies to the people every day of the week, I am not naive enough to think that the government even has my best interests at heart, but when they get caught in a lie there should be repercussions".
It should be illegal to send your surrogates onto national tv with pre made talking points that are outright lies, to help a God-damned election. Or to send your secretary of state to speak in front of the UN to plead for war based on intel that is more than flawed.
When you are a president you have the responsibility to to not cover up bad news, or make bald face lies to the American people. The bar is much higher than a candidate.
I wish we could impeach Obama over this, but most likely we won't. We didn't impeach Bush.
It will just go into a long list of grievances.
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Quote Originally Posted by Cool_Arrow:
Rick there is no scandal here. This happened nearly 8 months ago and the GOP tried using it against Obama in the election and that was a miserable failure. The GOP needs a new strategy. This one is old and mostly only partisan right wingers are "focused on the truth". Worst case is the administration is guilty of a PR job after the attack.
Given that the GOP has utterly incompetent leadership the focus on this is no surprise.
You see a PR job, I see obfuscation, misdirection, and outright lies to the American people following a Terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9/11.
I see this as incompetent negligence, cloaked in a cover-up.
You think, "no big whoop"
I think " wow, I know the government lies to the people every day of the week, I am not naive enough to think that the government even has my best interests at heart, but when they get caught in a lie there should be repercussions".
It should be illegal to send your surrogates onto national tv with pre made talking points that are outright lies, to help a God-damned election. Or to send your secretary of state to speak in front of the UN to plead for war based on intel that is more than flawed.
When you are a president you have the responsibility to to not cover up bad news, or make bald face lies to the American people. The bar is much higher than a candidate.
I wish we could impeach Obama over this, but most likely we won't. We didn't impeach Bush.
If the righties in this thread want blame for the public apathy, look no further than within.
After saturating America with 'scandals' including birth certificates, place of birth, school grades, and teenage,highschool, and college associations for 5 years, what did you think the public would do when another 'scandal' is raised.
Perhaps the right wingers should read the 'boy who cried wolf.'
As an aside, the lefties are hardly any better. Bush was bombarded as well, for years, which made later claims that much less 'believable.'
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If the righties in this thread want blame for the public apathy, look no further than within.
After saturating America with 'scandals' including birth certificates, place of birth, school grades, and teenage,highschool, and college associations for 5 years, what did you think the public would do when another 'scandal' is raised.
Perhaps the right wingers should read the 'boy who cried wolf.'
As an aside, the lefties are hardly any better. Bush was bombarded as well, for years, which made later claims that much less 'believable.'
as i recall, the initial "scandal" here was whether obama called it a terrosist attack or a youtube response or whatever in the first few days. i don't care if he called it a snl skit, none of this garbage really matters to me until and unless we do something about our foreign policy which puts our people at unreasonable risk for these things in the first place. but the government has too much money invested in our foregin policy so none of that will change.
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as i recall, the initial "scandal" here was whether obama called it a terrosist attack or a youtube response or whatever in the first few days. i don't care if he called it a snl skit, none of this garbage really matters to me until and unless we do something about our foreign policy which puts our people at unreasonable risk for these things in the first place. but the government has too much money invested in our foregin policy so none of that will change.
Club.....dont you think there should be an investigation as to why the security was so lax in Benghazi?
We know beefed up security was requested and denied.
If you want something done about our foreign policy that puts our people at unreasonable risk this seems like a good "event" to start with.
Nobody wants to stand up and take any responsibilty about denying more security or who gave the order for our people to stand down after help was requested that the embassy was under attack.
Seems like we are owed some answers as to what the f*ck happened and why.
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Club.....dont you think there should be an investigation as to why the security was so lax in Benghazi?
We know beefed up security was requested and denied.
If you want something done about our foreign policy that puts our people at unreasonable risk this seems like a good "event" to start with.
Nobody wants to stand up and take any responsibilty about denying more security or who gave the order for our people to stand down after help was requested that the embassy was under attack.
Seems like we are owed some answers as to what the f*ck happened and why.
Club.....dont you think there should be an investigation as to why the security was so lax in Benghazi?
We know beefed up security was requested and denied.
If you want something done about our foreign policy that puts our people at unreasonable risk this seems like a good "event" to start with.
Nobody wants to stand up and take any responsibilty about denying more security or who gave the order for our people to stand down after help was requested that the embassy was under attack.
Seems like we are owed some answers as to what the f*ck happened and why.
in a perfect world, these things would be investigated and the responsible parties would lose their jobs. but there's no hope for our system. the government does shady garbage every day in all areas. no one cares, but one side will get fired up if they think it will give them some leverage in whatever the next election is. neither side has credibility. it's all a clown show.
if we assume the republicans fucked up by denying funding for security and the democrats fucked up by failing to protect the people and then trying to cover it up, and i don't doubt it, does anyone really think republican congressmen or hilary or obama or whomever is going to be punished for it?
we have some major, systemic problems. to me it all goes back to money running things. until that's dealt with, i.e. never, it's all a dog and pony show and nothing will truly change.
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Quote Originally Posted by lordspoint:
Club.....dont you think there should be an investigation as to why the security was so lax in Benghazi?
We know beefed up security was requested and denied.
If you want something done about our foreign policy that puts our people at unreasonable risk this seems like a good "event" to start with.
Nobody wants to stand up and take any responsibilty about denying more security or who gave the order for our people to stand down after help was requested that the embassy was under attack.
Seems like we are owed some answers as to what the f*ck happened and why.
in a perfect world, these things would be investigated and the responsible parties would lose their jobs. but there's no hope for our system. the government does shady garbage every day in all areas. no one cares, but one side will get fired up if they think it will give them some leverage in whatever the next election is. neither side has credibility. it's all a clown show.
if we assume the republicans fucked up by denying funding for security and the democrats fucked up by failing to protect the people and then trying to cover it up, and i don't doubt it, does anyone really think republican congressmen or hilary or obama or whomever is going to be punished for it?
we have some major, systemic problems. to me it all goes back to money running things. until that's dealt with, i.e. never, it's all a dog and pony show and nothing will truly change.
do we know if congress or anyone has done anything to strengthen the security at this embassy or the many other dangerous places we are where we don't belong, or are they just interested in whining and spinning their wheels hoping to put a dent in hilary's 2020 reelection campaign?
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do we know if congress or anyone has done anything to strengthen the security at this embassy or the many other dangerous places we are where we don't belong, or are they just interested in whining and spinning their wheels hoping to put a dent in hilary's 2020 reelection campaign?
This is a good piece, and it starts off reminding us that this Administration is staffed with incompetents from top to bottom:
The officials spoke to CBS News in a series of interviews and communications under the condition of anonymity so that they could be more frank in their assessments. They do not all agree on the list of mistakes and it's important to note that they universally claim that any errors or missteps did not cost lives and reflect "incompetence rather than malice or cover up." Nonetheless, in the eight months since the attacks, this is the most sweeping and detailed discussion by key players of what might have been done differently.
"We're portrayed by Republicans as either being lying or idiots," said one Obama administration official who was part of the Benghazi response. "It's actually closer to us being idiots."
This is a good piece, and it starts off reminding us that this Administration is staffed with incompetents from top to bottom:
The officials spoke to CBS News in a series of interviews and communications under the condition of anonymity so that they could be more frank in their assessments. They do not all agree on the list of mistakes and it's important to note that they universally claim that any errors or missteps did not cost lives and reflect "incompetence rather than malice or cover up." Nonetheless, in the eight months since the attacks, this is the most sweeping and detailed discussion by key players of what might have been done differently.
"We're portrayed by Republicans as either being lying or idiots," said one Obama administration official who was part of the Benghazi response. "It's actually closer to us being idiots."
rick3117 is just a Fox news hump dog. Ever had a dog who just loves you a little to much? You brush it off and so no and the dog gets it.
rick3117 is a hump dog and he has no one to brush him off and say listen to the facts and the real world. rick is the reactionary, right wing, white naked fool. He's pale and ugly' He just repeats the lies he wants to hear on TV because he has no self confidence or a mother..
He lies in the road waiting for death. What has he got? I pity him but that will not be enough to make him right. Get up off the road and try to be a man not a follower! He doesn't have the balls to think for himself.
Doc
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rick3117 is just a Fox news hump dog. Ever had a dog who just loves you a little to much? You brush it off and so no and the dog gets it.
rick3117 is a hump dog and he has no one to brush him off and say listen to the facts and the real world. rick is the reactionary, right wing, white naked fool. He's pale and ugly' He just repeats the lies he wants to hear on TV because he has no self confidence or a mother..
He lies in the road waiting for death. What has he got? I pity him but that will not be enough to make him right. Get up off the road and try to be a man not a follower! He doesn't have the balls to think for himself.
rick3117 is just a Fox news hump dog. Ever had a dog who just loves you a little to much? You brush it off and so no and the dog gets it.
rick3117 is a hump dog and he has no one to brush him off and say listen to the facts and the real world. rick is the reactionary, right wing, white naked fool. He's pale and ugly' He just repeats the lies he wants to hear on TV because he has no self confidence or a mother..
He lies in the road waiting for death. What has he got? I pity him but that will not be enough to make him right. Get up off the road and try to be a man not a follower! He doesn't have the balls to think for himself.
Doc
I don't necessarily agree with all of his views but a "FoxNews hump dog"? There are plently to choose from but you pick rick? Seriously?
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Quote Originally Posted by Pecador:
rick3117 is just a Fox news hump dog. Ever had a dog who just loves you a little to much? You brush it off and so no and the dog gets it.
rick3117 is a hump dog and he has no one to brush him off and say listen to the facts and the real world. rick is the reactionary, right wing, white naked fool. He's pale and ugly' He just repeats the lies he wants to hear on TV because he has no self confidence or a mother..
He lies in the road waiting for death. What has he got? I pity him but that will not be enough to make him right. Get up off the road and try to be a man not a follower! He doesn't have the balls to think for himself.
Doc
I don't necessarily agree with all of his views but a "FoxNews hump dog"? There are plently to choose from but you pick rick? Seriously?
you have Sara, 14, bowslit, frontrowcenter and the rest of the bob alias army who are well "known" on this site with a long history of being nothing more than Fox News Hump Dogs....
I do not add canos because even though he is a part of the bunch, he has the ability to post independent thought when he chooses to... even though he gets baited into to defending his fox "news" if anyone even mentions it...
But unlike the bob aliases, Rick is a respected poster on this site... He reminds me of myself as an independent that tends to lean right/conservative, but as independents we do always agree on everything...
Unlike the Fox News Hump Dog bob aliases... its funny how they often get caught humping each other in a classic "circle jerk"...
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yeah I agree...
you have Sara, 14, bowslit, frontrowcenter and the rest of the bob alias army who are well "known" on this site with a long history of being nothing more than Fox News Hump Dogs....
I do not add canos because even though he is a part of the bunch, he has the ability to post independent thought when he chooses to... even though he gets baited into to defending his fox "news" if anyone even mentions it...
But unlike the bob aliases, Rick is a respected poster on this site... He reminds me of myself as an independent that tends to lean right/conservative, but as independents we do always agree on everything...
Unlike the Fox News Hump Dog bob aliases... its funny how they often get caught humping each other in a classic "circle jerk"...
do we know if congress or anyone has done anything to strengthen the security at this embassy or the many other dangerous places we are where we don't belong, or are they just interested in whining and spinning their wheels hoping to put a dent in hilary's 2020 reelection campaign?
that scares me
I think that even though rightwinged wacko-nutjobs try to characterize obama as being an extreme leftist, communist, racist, obama being more of a moderate will look like a GOP in comparison to what hillary as president will bring us...
and once again... you are asking questions and using critical thinking in a thread that is a supposed to be the "usual suspects" coming in to agree with each other... So you cant even ask about anyone or anything to blame other then Obama or who ever the Fox News Hump Dogs have been prescribed to chase their tail over
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
do we know if congress or anyone has done anything to strengthen the security at this embassy or the many other dangerous places we are where we don't belong, or are they just interested in whining and spinning their wheels hoping to put a dent in hilary's 2020 reelection campaign?
that scares me
I think that even though rightwinged wacko-nutjobs try to characterize obama as being an extreme leftist, communist, racist, obama being more of a moderate will look like a GOP in comparison to what hillary as president will bring us...
and once again... you are asking questions and using critical thinking in a thread that is a supposed to be the "usual suspects" coming in to agree with each other... So you cant even ask about anyone or anything to blame other then Obama or who ever the Fox News Hump Dogs have been prescribed to chase their tail over
agreed dl, i don't think hilary is the answer to any of our problems. anything can happen between now and 2016 (except a libertarian candidate with a chance ). more likely, the people will choose their liberal big government loving president and either pretend he's a conservative or pretend like he/she cares about the them, depending on who it is.
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agreed dl, i don't think hilary is the answer to any of our problems. anything can happen between now and 2016 (except a libertarian candidate with a chance ). more likely, the people will choose their liberal big government loving president and either pretend he's a conservative or pretend like he/she cares about the them, depending on who it is.
Notice how liberals and women consider anyone who doesn't the same ideology a "jerk". It also stems from the fact they know they cant forcefully make them agree to their point of view, so in their helplessness, they resort to the "jerk" thing.
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Notice how liberals and women consider anyone who doesn't the same ideology a "jerk". It also stems from the fact they know they cant forcefully make them agree to their point of view, so in their helplessness, they resort to the "jerk" thing.
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Could the uninformed voter EVER feel such a buyer's remorse hence some short six months later
). more likely, the people will choose their liberal big government loving president and either pretend he's a conservative or pretend like he/she cares about the them, depending on who it is.
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