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Because it didn't
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how do we know an assault weapon ban won't work?
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#3
The VA Tech shooter used a .22 and a 9mm, both legal handguns. He killed 32.
On a side note, VA Tech was only the second deadliest mass murder in U.S. history.
In 1927 forty four people were killed at a school in Bath Township, Michigan. 38 of them were children.
The perpetrator used bombs to commit the act.
Were bombs legal back then?
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Quote Originally Posted by canovsp:
The VA Tech shooter used a .22 and a 9mm, both legal handguns. He killed 32.
The VA Tech shooter used a .22 and a 9mm, both legal handguns. He killed 32.
On a side note, VA Tech was only the second deadliest mass murder in U.S. history.
In 1927 forty four people were killed at a school in Bath Township, Michigan. 38 of them were children.
The perpetrator used bombs to commit the act.
Were bombs legal back then?
Big difference from someone over time setting charges in a school and someone walking in with a gun. And I would guess that in 1927 dynomite was probably legal.
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A must have ..for this Christmas, for every school age child ..
BulletBlocker backpacks.............
https://www.bulletblocker.com/bulletproof-backpack-panel-large.html
Armored backpacks designed to shield children caught in a shootings also are reporting a large spike in sales and interest.
The body armor inserts fit into the back panel of a child’s backpack, and they sell for about $150 to $300, depending on the company.
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Quote Originally Posted by SwishSwish1234:
Exactly, You either get seriously tough on gun laws like the Aussies or walk away, Don't bring in some half arsed laws that don't change anything in the long run just to keep the public happy for the time being.
Exactly, You either get seriously tough on gun laws like the Aussies or walk away, Don't bring in some half arsed laws that don't change anything in the long run just to keep the public happy for the time being.
I keep asking this question about australia...
so what australia did in response to shootings worked?
What did australia do that actually worked?
Lets focus on things that worked rather then things that did not/do not
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
A must have ..for this Christmas, for every school age child ..
BulletBlocker backpacks.............
https://www.bulletblocker.com/bulletproof-backpack-panel-large.html
Armored backpacks designed to shield children caught in a shootings also are reporting a large spike in sales and interest.
The body armor inserts fit into the back panel of a child’s backpack, and they sell for about $150 to $300, depending on the company.
And I would encourage all educators to carry a long easily aimable can of pepper spray. Hard to aim when there's jalapenos in your eyeballs.
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Gun bans work at few places such as airplanes and prisons which are true gun-free zones. However most places aren't gun-free zones such as schools and theaters because people can still carry guns inside. Since guns are so widespread, buyers are likely to find sellers despite bans.
Gun bans work at few places such as airplanes and prisons which are true gun-free zones. However most places aren't gun-free zones such as schools and theaters because people can still carry guns inside. Since guns are so widespread, buyers are likely to find sellers despite bans.
Air marshals and prison guards have access to firearms.
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Quote Originally Posted by SwishSwish1234:
Exactly, You either get seriously tough on gun laws like the Aussies or walk away, Don't bring in some half arsed laws that don't change anything in the long run just to keep the public happy for the time being.
Exactly, You either get seriously tough on gun laws like the Aussies or walk away, Don't bring in some half arsed laws that don't change anything in the long run just to keep the public happy for the time being.
A serious gun law, like door to door confiscation?
That is the only way the guns are coming off the streets.
Not sure how anyone can consider the draconian gun laws of Connecticut "half assed", they are among the strictest in the nation.
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Bingo..
Bingo..
- Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
- During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
- Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
- Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
- At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
- Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.
Again, I don't think you are at all interested in crime control WSC. You just want to punish your boogmen - the NRA and "corporations"
See, if you were interested in crime control, you wouldn't believe the things you do as they are not based on any sort of reality.
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Quote Originally Posted by dl36:
I keep asking this question about australia...
so what australia did in response to shootings worked?
What did australia do that actually worked?
Lets focus on things that worked rather then things that did not/do not
Nothing Australia did "worked." Unless you are happy that they didn't have another school shooting while your car gets stolen at gun point and your wife gets raped. I mean, I'm sure that is some great consolation prized.
Note:
It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.
- Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
- Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
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Let me know when you want me to start posting crime statistics from Great Britain after their gun ban.
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14,
You dont know what I was saying bingo about do you?
I agreed with his comment about half doing something..if you want results then you have to take strong action, not the half effort pacifying garbage we are known for quite often.
So pull out all the examples of where Australia isnt perfect, my agreement was that if you want results you have to take stronger steps in the direction you want to go towards.
You dont know what I was saying bingo about do you?
I agreed with his comment about half doing something..if you want results then you have to take strong action, not the half effort pacifying garbage we are known for quite often.
So pull out all the examples of where Australia isnt perfect, my agreement was that if you want results you have to take stronger steps in the direction you want to go towards.
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o pull out all the examples of where Australia isnt perfect, my agreement was that if you want results you have to take stronger steps in the direction you want to go towards.
Except the facts don't support this contention.
You can cite no fact or data that what took place in Australia worked.
Again, your car getting stolen or your wife being raped must be a heck of a consolation prize for going in the "right direction"
Really, swell logic there.
PS: there is the equivalent of a school shooting per month in the gun free paradise that is Chicago.
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Quote Originally Posted by SwishSwish1234:
Exactly, You either get seriously tough on gun laws like the Aussies or walk away, Don't bring in some half arsed laws that don't change anything in the long run just to keep the public happy for the time being.
Exactly, You either get seriously tough on gun laws like the Aussies or walk away, Don't bring in some half arsed laws that don't change anything in the long run just to keep the public happy for the time being.
but half behind measures are always what we come up with after these events. why should this be any different?
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Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:
o pull out all the examples of where Australia isnt perfect, my agreement was that if you want results you have to take stronger steps in the direction you want to go towards.
o pull out all the examples of where Australia isnt perfect, my agreement was that if you want results you have to take stronger steps in the direction you want to go towards.
Except the facts don't support this contention.
You can cite no fact or data that what took place in Australia worked.
Again, your car getting stolen or your wife being raped must be a heck of a consolation prize for going in the "right direction"
Really, swell logic there.
PS: there is the equivalent of a school shooting per month in the gun free paradise that is Chicago.
Facts?
What you give are subjective opinions based on taking data and forming it to solidify your position.
My contention isnt based on a stat or some slanted numbers or data which is trying to support an opinion, rather the way the subject is dealt with.
We have some of the softest gun laws and regulations in the world, especially for our economic and political framework. If the US wants to change the outcome we just experienced, AND will experience again and again then a stronger position would need to be taken.
You are correct though..we have allowed the gun lobby and industry to flood our markets with so many guns that serve no purpose of protection, they are excessive and unnecessary to protect..that it would be difficult to remove them from the system. Difficult is a term that does not mean impossible..
BUT at the end of the day, money and profits rule our government so I expect little to be done and the killings to continue.
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What you give are subjective opinions based on taking data and forming it to solidify your position.
Um, the FACT, and it is not in dispute, that violent crime increased in Australia after their gun ban is not some "subjective opinion"
But see, you must label it as such because it doesn't fit your worldview.
I get it.
Trust me. I do.
Um, the FACT, and it is not in dispute, that violent crime increased in Australia after their gun ban is not some "subjective opinion"
But see, you must label it as such because it doesn't fit your worldview.
I get it.
Trust me. I do.
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The question for me has never been whether banning assault weapons will "work" or somehow stop all these events which seem to have a form of mental illness at their core combined with other factors. Of course it won't but that's an immature & extreme argument some like to use.. I guess thinking it somehow bolsters their views. Most reasonable folks recognize tha kind of thinking to be as silly as saying since mental health care, no matter how well funded, affordable & accessible will not prevent mental illnesss, it's a waste of time & money. Or that because seat belts won't prevent all death/injuries in car wrecks, they should be abolished.
The question is in our society today, would banning assault weapons along with stricter regs & background checks lessen the number of innocent deaths/injuries & the answer is yes imo. By how much, who knows but even it was only a small number it would be worth it. On the other side, you also have this ridiculous argument in regards to the interpretation of the 2nd amendment & what seems to be a in terms of tyranny & taking away all weapons which will never happen in this country. I suppose if gun makers came up with a weapon that shot missile like projectiles that blew up & burned bldgs and they became popular & widespreadly used by criminals & the mentally disturbed in mass killings, they would be defending their legality & sales/use as well.
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"seems to be excessive paranoia" in terms of...
sorry, thoughts got ahead of my fingers, lol. Also, not to totally ridicule the 2nd amendment stance, for some on the far conservative side like Rick, etc, seems to be a personal as well as another ideological & political/partisan issue rather than looking at it from a common sense standpoint
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