Georgia enacts tough immigration law, expects to lose $300 million

I personally, VEHEMENTLY, nominate this POST for the MOST ACCURATE DEAD ON comment EVER in the POLITICS FORUM for one's Relection of B.O.H      .     

jinvgeas, for some reason you're reaching to play stupid word games with me, but my point hasn't changed throughout this thread.  

do what you want

i dont care

your threats do not scare me

you can selectively enforce whatever rules you make up

you have before and you will continue to run off some of the best posters covers has had or will have

it will be your little utopia where everyone runs around kissing your ass and chirping in agreement

 

hey wallstreet, how about you do yourself a favor an go back and READ what i actually wrote on the subject.  obviously you and clubdirt arent listening, you should pay special attention to post 13.

i feel like im talking to a bunch of idiots with their hands over their ears yelling nanananna i cant hear you.

if an "organic" last 5 days before it is no longer healthy for human consumption, but a "chemically treated" banana lasts 10 days, how can you say the later is not healthier than the former, especially from days 6-10????

thats all ive been saying this entire time, but for some ungodly reason, you and clubdirt just dont want to hear anything that may make their moronic views inaccurate.

so rooster is a tough guy and can handle personal attacks, this must make clubdirt a wuss who cannot handle civilized debate.  do different rules apply to different posters?

im done addressing the pesticides issue with you bc you flat out arent listening, see my reply to wallstreet in post 58

as to mcdonalds, there are so many things wrong with the comparison.

1) comparing PROCESSED food to unprocessed food is not the same as comparing organic to non
2) you have to be an idiot to think mcdonalds does nothing to the potatoes, after they are harvested. 

lets just start with the basics, mcds food is covered in salt, and surely (eh, maybe you dont) you know that salt is a preservative.

now lets dig a little deeper, from mcds website

ingredients of french fries
Potatoes, vegetable oil (canola oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, natural beef flavor [wheat and milk derivatives]*, citric acid [preservative]), dextrose, sodium acid
pyrophosphate (maintain color), salt. Prepared in vegetable oil (Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil with TBHQ and citric acid added to
preserve freshness). Dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent.

seems to me like theres just a tad more involved than grabbing a potato from the ground and frying it.

anything else you want to be shown the light on????

and just in case its not obvious, in no way am i saying processed food is good for you, im merely pointing out the lunacy of your "comparison"

jinvegas, let's just agree that wallstreet and i on one side and you on the other are operating on compeltely different planes that are so far apart that common thinking is not possible, and end this at that.  

Steveshane that's enough bro, you're an idiot.

you better watch out, thats attacking another member

j,

the yield is not allegedly increased, it most certainly is...though i am not a propent of such. But how else will you feed the ever invreasing masses with the ever decreasing tillable acreage??

If i am remembering right, Alabama comes into play on the first of the month. They will suffer the same fate (feel quite sure it is already happening) Illegals are indoctrinated into the fabric of our nation and were quite some time ago. To think or wish (which i must admit i do) differently will not address the issue as we should. But i don't have the answers  

It is really hard to come up with the answers, These are minimum wage jobs where you have to work really hard. A person from another country is motivated to do a minimum wage job because it is a lot more money then they can make in this country. An american really doesn't gain anything by taking one of these jobs when they can receive almost as much collecting unemployment.

Also there seems to be less high school kids taking these jobs like my friends and I did when we were in high school. I am not sure why that is. I don't think it is all because they are lazy. The seems the summer break is shorter, if you play sports there are a lot of club teams in the off seasons, you almost have to play on the club teams if you want to compete.

Maybe part of it is money doesn't go as far as it used to. When I was in high school and made minimum wage I could buy 4 gallons of gas with 1 hour of work (now it is more like 2 - 2 1/2 gallons) It only took 3 - 4 hours to buy a concert ticket or a ticket to an NBA game.

A few things

"low paying jobs"  While 7$-8$ an hour may be "low" to some it may be quite High for another. 

All farm labor is not "hard work" At some will you do somethin that causes you to sweat a lil? you bet!  My first job was picking peas when i was 11.  Mostly this is still done by hand so yeah you gone have a sore back and hands at the end of the day.  But this is seasonal, its not like its a job you do 24/7 all year long.

While this new bill is gone hurt alot of my friends and neighbors it is a step in the right direction for this great state and our country as a whole.

Chemicals      Thats right yall... lets do away with them all.

We'll just eat tree bark and bird shit    If you want to be chemical free you best find you a remote island to move to.  Because Chemicals are used in EVERYTHING!   95% of what you own and use daily was aided by a chemical in some form or fashion.

no one is saying to get rid of chemicals.  no one is saying chemicals don't serve a purpose to some people on this planet by giving them extra access to food, although much less healthy food.  in fact, we've all said the opposite. 

in any case, when you have choices, learning about food and what is done to your food isn't a bad thing.  and if you decide you don't want to consume dangerous chemicals day after day after day or give them to your kids day after day after day, you can just eat bark and bird shit like i can only assume they do in rural georgia (although be careful, some trees are also sprayed with similar chemicals), but an alternative might be to travel to a bigger city like atlanta or savannah and explore fruit and vegetables options that are not treated with dangerous and unhealthy pesticides/chemicals or at least are treated with much fewer of them. 

there may still be hope for an agricultural industry in georgia

If healthy food is truly your concern then why travel anywhere?

Get a lil dirt under your nails and grow your own.

Any dumbass can do it....well any dumbass thats willing to work a lil. Which is few and far between these days. 

What chemical is used on peanuts grown in GA that would concern you?

bad start

we do grow some of our own.  i handle the fruits- grapefruit, oranges, lemons, pomegranite and the wife handles the vegetables.  i'm not sure exactly what she has in there. 

i don't know what chemicals are sprayed on peanuts in georgia. 

as to the other question, i found this about florida.  of course, you don't have to worry as much about a product protected by a hard shell like peanuts.

Chemical Management

Effective insect management depends on a combination of cultural and chemical practices. Insecticide products commonly used on peanut include phorate, chlorpyrifos, aldicarb, methomyl, esfenvalerate, cyhalothrin, and carbaryl (11,12). The use of systemic insecticides helps to eliminate the need for additional foliar insecticide sprays, unless pests such as worms or mites become a problem late in the season. Systemic insecticides are applied in furrow at the time of planting. Granular formulations are applied with a special row-type granular applicator that can be calibrated to deliver proper rates. Other insecticides/miticides registered for use on peanut in Florida in 2007 were: acephate, azadirachtin, cyfluthrin, diflubenzuron, disulfoton, fenpropathrin, indoxacarb, propargite, pyrethrins +/- rotenone, spinosad, sulfur, and zeta-cypermethrin.

holy cow,

so you really think that a rotting and/or insect infested "organic" piece of fruit is the same or more healthy than a ripe "treated" piece of fruit????  theres no way you can be that dumb.

this is the only thing ive been saying this entire thread, something you obviously are unable to comprehend, given your earlier posts.

i really dont know what else to say to someone who just wont listen.  do you at least recognize by now that im not saying pesticides explicitly make the food healthier??? will you at least concede me that point?

as for the moron comment, why wouldnt i call someone a moron whos evidence of pesticide use in foods being unhealthy is a PROCESSED foods lack of decomposition?  you have to be a moron to think mcdonlads simply takes a potato, cuts its, fries it, then serves it.  even if you had no clue what they do "behind the scenes", surely one would realize there is a copious amount of salt on the fries.

i cannot even think of an analogy to use for what clubdirt did, the only think i can think of thats remotely close is saying powerade is worse for an athlete than gatorade and citing the negative effects of coca-cola instead.

jinvegas, your ignorance on this issue has gone from frustrating to fascinating, assuming you're over the age of 7, a point i'm not willing to concede.  all we can do at this point is redirect you to posts # 61 and # 62 and request that you let the adults do most of the posting in this forum from now on. 

ahh, post 60, where you referred to wallstreets response to me, where he went out of his way to decry me by saying pesticides dont implicitly give food more health benefits, EVEN THOUGH i said the same from the start.  yep, lets cheer on wallstreet who never bothered to read what my argument was and made a fool of himself.

dont you think its funny that neither you nor wallstreet will answer a simply question thats been asked countless times in this thread?

yes or no, do you really think that a rotting and/or insect infested "organic" piece of fruit is the same or more healthy than a ripe "treated" piece of fruit?

the only thing worse than being ignorant is refusing to acknowledge ones ignorance when presented with factual evidence.


btw, given the evidence of all the PRESERVATIVES used in mcdonalds french fries, do you at least acknowledge that your comparison between those, and a regular french fry has no bearing on the discussion of the used of pesticides on crops?