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    Georgia enacts tough immigration law, expects to lose $300 million

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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 5:24 PM ET #1

    in their agricultural industry.  farmers can't get enough workers, crops are already rottinh in the field.  georgia governor plans to go back to the georgia post-slavery method of using felons to do the work (they are going to get their slave labor from somewhere) but good luck with that working.  

    who wants to bet that florida, whose governor talked about a similar tough immigration law, won't follow through when they see the hit georgia's economy is taking?
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    in their agricultural industry.  farmers can't get enough workers, crops are already rottinh in the field.  georgia governor plans to go back to the georgia post-slavery method of using felons to do the work (they are going to get their slave labor from somewhere) but good luck with that working.  

    who wants to bet that florida, whose governor talked about a similar tough immigration law, won't follow through when they see the hit georgia's economy is taking?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 5:27 PM ET #2

    Well as we all know, this inflation will be passed along to the consumer when the farmer has to pay fair market wages to do this awful labor intensive work.


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    good thing they have pesticides and other chemicals they can spray on the fruits and vegetables to extend their shelf lives way beyond what is natural whle they try and find people who will do the farm work for slave wages but still much more than the illegals made.  and we get a more expensive product that is much more dangerous.  
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    good thing they have pesticides and other chemicals they can spray on the fruits and vegetables to extend their shelf lives way beyond what is natural whle they try and find people who will do the farm work for slave wages but still much more than the illegals made.  and we get a more expensive product that is much more dangerous.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    good thing they have pesticides and other chemicals they can spray on the fruits and vegetables to extend their shelf lives way beyond what is natural whle they try and find people who will do the farm work for slave wages but still much more than the illegals made.  and we get a more expensive product that is much more dangerous.  

    Agree completely here..which is a function of one of the largest, most disgusting corporations- Monsanto.

    It is really expensive to buy organic, tough to find a good selection at prices that arent through the stratosphere, but when you consider the pesticides and GMO manipulation that goes on with crops, it cannot be good for us to consume.
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    good thing they have pesticides and other chemicals they can spray on the fruits and vegetables to extend their shelf lives way beyond what is natural whle they try and find people who will do the farm work for slave wages but still much more than the illegals made.  and we get a more expensive product that is much more dangerous.  

    Agree completely here..which is a function of one of the largest, most disgusting corporations- Monsanto.

    It is really expensive to buy organic, tough to find a good selection at prices that arent through the stratosphere, but when you consider the pesticides and GMO manipulation that goes on with crops, it cannot be good for us to consume.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 6:10 PM ET #5

    send in the welfare babies to pick your veggies
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 8:40 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    good thing they have pesticides and other chemicals they can spray on the fruits and vegetables to extend their shelf lives way beyond what is natural whle they try and find people who will do the farm work for slave wages but still much more than the illegals made.  and we get a more expensive product that is much more dangerous.  


    Yeah because the sum total of the illegal situation is the face price of their labor. They might "work cheap" but they cost the country in a BIG way. $10,000 per illegal per year is a credible figure.


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    good thing they have pesticides and other chemicals they can spray on the fruits and vegetables to extend their shelf lives way beyond what is natural whle they try and find people who will do the farm work for slave wages but still much more than the illegals made.  and we get a more expensive product that is much more dangerous.  


    Yeah because the sum total of the illegal situation is the face price of their labor. They might "work cheap" but they cost the country in a BIG way. $10,000 per illegal per year is a credible figure.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:



    Yeah because the sum total of the illegal situation is the face price of their labor. They might "work cheap" but they cost the country in a BIG way. $10,000 per illegal per year is a credible figure.



    i've seen the stats that try to quantify the costs of illegal aliens in health care and other areas, perhaps by conservative sources and i've also seen stats talking about the benetif of illegal aliens in terms of cheap labor allowing us to keep costs down and other areas, perhaps by liberal sources.  i don't know that there is any objective way to evaluate those competing stats, especially when no one has any real idea how many ilegals there are here and what exactly they are doing.

    in any case, that's not really the point.  one point is that it is incredibly naive to think that many of these people aren't working and providing an important, low cost service to this country in many areas and to enact laws to stop that comes at a signifciant cost, as georgia is finding out and i imagime other states, like florida, will decide not to find out.  now, if a state decide to incur that cost to try and get rid of the illegal we invited here, that's fine.  everything is a cost-benefit analysis.  however, it's probably a zero sum game for those states that do because the border is still a sieve and one state's loss of cheap klabor (georgia) wll be another state's gain (florida and whoever else).  
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    Yeah because the sum total of the illegal situation is the face price of their labor. They might "work cheap" but they cost the country in a BIG way. $10,000 per illegal per year is a credible figure.



    i've seen the stats that try to quantify the costs of illegal aliens in health care and other areas, perhaps by conservative sources and i've also seen stats talking about the benetif of illegal aliens in terms of cheap labor allowing us to keep costs down and other areas, perhaps by liberal sources.  i don't know that there is any objective way to evaluate those competing stats, especially when no one has any real idea how many ilegals there are here and what exactly they are doing.

    in any case, that's not really the point.  one point is that it is incredibly naive to think that many of these people aren't working and providing an important, low cost service to this country in many areas and to enact laws to stop that comes at a signifciant cost, as georgia is finding out and i imagime other states, like florida, will decide not to find out.  now, if a state decide to incur that cost to try and get rid of the illegal we invited here, that's fine.  everything is a cost-benefit analysis.  however, it's probably a zero sum game for those states that do because the border is still a sieve and one state's loss of cheap klabor (georgia) wll be another state's gain (florida and whoever else).  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    good thing they have pesticides and other chemicals they can spray on the fruits and vegetables to extend their shelf lives way beyond what is natural whle they try and find people who will do the farm work for slave wages but still much more than the illegals made.  and we get a more expensive product that is much more dangerous.  


    why in the world would you think using pesticides to make food healthier for human consumption is a bad thing?

    i guess you want farmers to go back to the 1800s farming methods when famine and diseased food was much more prevalent than today

    are you also against the pollution cars emit?  seems like having a shorter shelf life for food would case people to make many more trips to the grocery store.
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    good thing they have pesticides and other chemicals they can spray on the fruits and vegetables to extend their shelf lives way beyond what is natural whle they try and find people who will do the farm work for slave wages but still much more than the illegals made.  and we get a more expensive product that is much more dangerous.  


    why in the world would you think using pesticides to make food healthier for human consumption is a bad thing?

    i guess you want farmers to go back to the 1800s farming methods when famine and diseased food was much more prevalent than today

    are you also against the pollution cars emit?  seems like having a shorter shelf life for food would case people to make many more trips to the grocery store.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jinvegas:



    why in the world would you think using pesticides to make food healthier for human consumption is a bad thing?

    i guess you want farmers to go back to the 1800s farming methods when famine and diseased food was much more prevalent than today

    are you also against the pollution cars emit?  seems like having a shorter shelf life for food would case people to make many more trips to the grocery store.

    is the question, why in the world would i consider that the tens of thousands of pesticides and chemicals sprayed on fruit and vegetables designed to kill everything in the soil including insects, other animals, weeds, fungi and any other living thing which also kills birds and haven't been adequately tested for the most part by the epa or any reliable source might be dangerous to humans after eating them over and over again?  

    ok, do just a minimal amount of research on pesticides and see what you come up with. pesticides have not been adequately tested by any means.  but, for those that have beentested, here's some information.  i'm sure monsanto would dispute this, but you might want to do a little research on that company as well.  

    Based on experiments in laboratory animals, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has identified at least ninety-six different pesticide active ingredients registered for use that are potential human carcinogens.[6] Studies of human populations, particularly farmers, also demonstrate the carcinogenic potential of certain pesticides. A 1992 National Cancer Institute review of two dozen epidemiological studies found pesticides to be one of five likely suspects explaining why farmers had elevated risks of several forms of cancer including Hodgkin's disease, multiple myeloma, leukemia, melanoma, and cancers of the lip.[7] There is some evidence that the breakdown product of the organochlorine pesticide DDT, which is now banned but still persists in the environment, may be associated with breast cancer.[8]

    Studies demonstrate that in addition to acute poisoning, pesticides can cause long-term damage to the nervous system. Every year, an estimated 300,000 farmworkers are poisoned by pesticides.[9] According to the Office of Technology Assessment, an estimated 4 to 9 percent of agricultural and other workers acutely poisoned by pesticides experience delayed persistent neurological and psychiatric effects including agitation, insomnia, weakness, nervousness, irritation, forgetfulness, confusion, and depression.[10] Additional studies of agricultural workers indicate that pesticide poisoning can lead to poor performance on tests involving intellectual functioning, motor skills, and memory.[11]

    Some pesticides are associated with diminishing reproductive capacity and causing birth defects. The state of California maintains a list of reproductive toxins that currently includes fifteen pesticides, ten of which are still in use. The California Department of Pesticide Regulation (DPR) evaluates pesticides for their potential to cause birth defects and reproductive harm. Of the sixty-three chemicals evaluated by the DPR, fifteen have tested positive for birth defects and twenty-two have tested positive for other reproductive effects in experimental studies.[12]

    There is growing awareness in the scientific community that toxic chemicals, including pesticides, can damage the immune system. Laboratory animal studies indicate a variety of immunotoxic effects from exposure to certain pesticides, particularly several organochlorine and organophosphate insecticides.[13] The immune system plays a critical role in helping ward off disease.


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    why in the world would you think using pesticides to make food healthier for human consumption is a bad thing?

    i guess you want farmers to go back to the 1800s farming methods when famine and diseased food was much more prevalent than today

    are you also against the pollution cars emit?  seems like having a shorter shelf life for food would case people to make many more trips to the grocery store.

    is the question, why in the world would i consider that the tens of thousands of pesticides and chemicals sprayed on fruit and vegetables designed to kill everything in the soil including insects, other animals, weeds, fungi and any other living thing which also kills birds and haven't been adequately tested for the most part by the epa or any reliable source might be dangerous to humans after eating them over and over again?  

    ok, do just a minimal amount of research on pesticides and see what you come up with. pesticides have not been adequately tested by any means.  but, for those that have beentested, here's some information.  i'm sure monsanto would dispute this, but you might want to do a little research on that company as well.  

    Based on experiments in laboratory animals, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has identified at least ninety-six different pesticide active ingredients registered for use that are potential human carcinogens.[6] Studies of human populations, particularly farmers, also demonstrate the carcinogenic potential of certain pesticides. A 1992 National Cancer Institute review of two dozen epidemiological studies found pesticides to be one of five likely suspects explaining why farmers had elevated risks of several forms of cancer including Hodgkin's disease, multiple myeloma, leukemia, melanoma, and cancers of the lip.[7] There is some evidence that the breakdown product of the organochlorine pesticide DDT, which is now banned but still persists in the environment, may be associated with breast cancer.[8]

    Studies demonstrate that in addition to acute poisoning, pesticides can cause long-term damage to the nervous system. Every year, an estimated 300,000 farmworkers are poisoned by pesticides.[9] According to the Office of Technology Assessment, an estimated 4 to 9 percent of agricultural and other workers acutely poisoned by pesticides experience delayed persistent neurological and psychiatric effects including agitation, insomnia, weakness, nervousness, irritation, forgetfulness, confusion, and depression.[10] Additional studies of agricultural workers indicate that pesticide poisoning can lead to poor performance on tests involving intellectual functioning, motor skills, and memory.[11]

    Some pesticides are associated with diminishing reproductive capacity and causing birth defects. The state of California maintains a list of reproductive toxins that currently includes fifteen pesticides, ten of which are still in use. The California Department of Pesticide Regulation (DPR) evaluates pesticides for their potential to cause birth defects and reproductive harm. Of the sixty-three chemicals evaluated by the DPR, fifteen have tested positive for birth defects and twenty-two have tested positive for other reproductive effects in experimental studies.[12]

    There is growing awareness in the scientific community that toxic chemicals, including pesticides, can damage the immune system. Laboratory animal studies indicate a variety of immunotoxic effects from exposure to certain pesticides, particularly several organochlorine and organophosphate insecticides.[13] The immune system plays a critical role in helping ward off disease.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 11:32 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by jinvegas:



    why in the world would you think using pesticides to make food healthier for human consumption is a bad thing?



    i guess i glossed over this one, i'm not sure how, but how is that you think using pesticides makes food healthier?  not even monsanto, which makes billiosn selling this stuff, would attempt that statement.  

    the whole idea of pesticides is to save the crops from insects, other animals, fungi, etc.  in other words, to protect their product and make more money.  they want to sell their product, not lose it.  they could give a shit about your health.  and they spray shit on these fruits and vegetables to make them withstand a trip across the state or a couple of states from the famr to the groery store.  they also spray some shit on tomatoes and apples and other fruits to give them a better color and make them look perfect when they are in the grocery store and sit on the shelves for a few days.  

    none of that is designed to make the food healthier.  all of it is designed to sell more product.   
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    why in the world would you think using pesticides to make food healthier for human consumption is a bad thing?



    i guess i glossed over this one, i'm not sure how, but how is that you think using pesticides makes food healthier?  not even monsanto, which makes billiosn selling this stuff, would attempt that statement.  

    the whole idea of pesticides is to save the crops from insects, other animals, fungi, etc.  in other words, to protect their product and make more money.  they want to sell their product, not lose it.  they could give a shit about your health.  and they spray shit on these fruits and vegetables to make them withstand a trip across the state or a couple of states from the famr to the groery store.  they also spray some shit on tomatoes and apples and other fruits to give them a better color and make them look perfect when they are in the grocery store and sit on the shelves for a few days.  

    none of that is designed to make the food healthier.  all of it is designed to sell more product.   
     
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    This is what happens when politicians make decisions based on the image of their policies. Any rational person could have predicted this, yet the legislators failed to take it into consideration.

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    This is what happens when politicians make decisions based on the image of their policies. Any rational person could have predicted this, yet the legislators failed to take it into consideration.

     
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    i guess i glossed over this one, i'm not sure how, but how is that you think using pesticides makes food healthier?  not even monsanto, which makes billiosn selling this stuff, would attempt that statement.  

    the whole idea of pesticides is to save the crops from insects, other animals, fungi, etc.  in other words, to protect their product and make more money.  they want to sell their product, not lose it.  they could give a shit about your health.  and they spray shit on these fruits and vegetables to make them withstand a trip across the state or a couple of states from the famr to the groery store.  they also spray some shit on tomatoes and apples and other fruits to give them a better color and make them look perfect when they are in the grocery store and sit on the shelves for a few days.  

    none of that is designed to make the food healthier.  all of it is designed to sell more product.   


    so you dont think theres a single pesticide or chemical that can be used that will make food healthier for human consumption???

    this isnt even debatable, when you go to the grocery store and buy a piece of fruit, do you buy the one thats ripe and colorful or the one thats rotting and has bugs???

    im not saying the stuff used by farmers explicitly makes the food healthier, but i am saying it greatly helps prevent many factors that make the food unhealthy.

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    i guess i glossed over this one, i'm not sure how, but how is that you think using pesticides makes food healthier?  not even monsanto, which makes billiosn selling this stuff, would attempt that statement.  

    the whole idea of pesticides is to save the crops from insects, other animals, fungi, etc.  in other words, to protect their product and make more money.  they want to sell their product, not lose it.  they could give a shit about your health.  and they spray shit on these fruits and vegetables to make them withstand a trip across the state or a couple of states from the famr to the groery store.  they also spray some shit on tomatoes and apples and other fruits to give them a better color and make them look perfect when they are in the grocery store and sit on the shelves for a few days.  

    none of that is designed to make the food healthier.  all of it is designed to sell more product.   


    so you dont think theres a single pesticide or chemical that can be used that will make food healthier for human consumption???

    this isnt even debatable, when you go to the grocery store and buy a piece of fruit, do you buy the one thats ripe and colorful or the one thats rotting and has bugs???

    im not saying the stuff used by farmers explicitly makes the food healthier, but i am saying it greatly helps prevent many factors that make the food unhealthy.

     
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    im astounded that we have a society that cant find citizens to pick crops when we have such high unemployment.  why is that and is this status quo sustainable
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    im astounded that we have a society that cant find citizens to pick crops when we have such high unemployment.  why is that and is this status quo sustainable
     
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    I don't know about agriculture per se, but all you need to do is go to parts of the country not overrun by illegal immigration and look to see who is working the fast food and other minimum wage jobs. Here's a hint, it's not the illegals.

    The "doing jobs Americans don't want to do is largely crap."
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    I don't know about agriculture per se, but all you need to do is go to parts of the country not overrun by illegal immigration and look to see who is working the fast food and other minimum wage jobs. Here's a hint, it's not the illegals.

    The "doing jobs Americans don't want to do is largely crap."
     
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    People get almost as much money for unemployment as they would for working on a farm. I used to know a guy that work on a farm 6 months a year and collect unemployment the other 6 months.

    He worked 60 hours a week and only made $25 a week more then he did on unemployment. If he missed a day of work and only had 50 hours for the week he made less then unemployment.

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    People get almost as much money for unemployment as they would for working on a farm. I used to know a guy that work on a farm 6 months a year and collect unemployment the other 6 months.

    He worked 60 hours a week and only made $25 a week more then he did on unemployment. If he missed a day of work and only had 50 hours for the week he made less then unemployment.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by rooster010:

    send in the welfare babies to pick your veggies


     If all of the trailor trash that collect SSI/SSD with false claims of not being able to work were to work on the farm the problem would be solved...

    But you have illegals outworking lazy americans
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    send in the welfare babies to pick your veggies


     If all of the trailor trash that collect SSI/SSD with false claims of not being able to work were to work on the farm the problem would be solved...

    But you have illegals outworking lazy americans
     
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    Illegals are more than happy to take these hard working, low paying jobs, It is more money than they can make at home. An American really does not gain much from taking one of these jobs, when they can sit at home and collect money, food stamps, free health care, etc...
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    Illegals are more than happy to take these hard working, low paying jobs, It is more money than they can make at home. An American really does not gain much from taking one of these jobs, when they can sit at home and collect money, food stamps, free health care, etc...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jinvegas:



    so you dont think theres a single pesticide or chemical that can be used that will make food healthier for human consumption???

    this isnt even debatable, when you go to the grocery store and buy a piece of fruit, do you buy the one thats ripe and colorful or the one thats rotting and has bugs???

    im not saying the stuff used by farmers explicitly makes the food healthier, but i am saying it greatly helps prevent many factors that make the food unhealthy.

    i don't know of any pesticide or chemical that makes food healthier.  maybe there is one, but i don't know of it.  if there is, show us some research and we can evaluate it.  i do know of many pesticides and chemicals that do a good job of keeping fruit and vegetables around longer which is designed to increase profits for the agriculture industry.  i'm skeptical that this coincides with making the product healthier but again, i'm not the expert so i'll happily read objective contradictory research.

    as for your other question, i wouldn't buy the rotted fruit.  i used to buy the fruit and vegetables that looked big and ripe and perfect until i read what is sprayed on those products to make them look that way for a longer period of time than is natural.  now, i buy organic fruit adn vegetables and also clean them as a precaution. 

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    so you dont think theres a single pesticide or chemical that can be used that will make food healthier for human consumption???

    this isnt even debatable, when you go to the grocery store and buy a piece of fruit, do you buy the one thats ripe and colorful or the one thats rotting and has bugs???

    im not saying the stuff used by farmers explicitly makes the food healthier, but i am saying it greatly helps prevent many factors that make the food unhealthy.

    i don't know of any pesticide or chemical that makes food healthier.  maybe there is one, but i don't know of it.  if there is, show us some research and we can evaluate it.  i do know of many pesticides and chemicals that do a good job of keeping fruit and vegetables around longer which is designed to increase profits for the agriculture industry.  i'm skeptical that this coincides with making the product healthier but again, i'm not the expert so i'll happily read objective contradictory research.

    as for your other question, i wouldn't buy the rotted fruit.  i used to buy the fruit and vegetables that looked big and ripe and perfect until i read what is sprayed on those products to make them look that way for a longer period of time than is natural.  now, i buy organic fruit adn vegetables and also clean them as a precaution. 

     
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    one more thing, even if there is some magical, artificial chemical that makes food fruit adn vegetables healthier, i still doubt it compensates for the thousands of pesticides and chemicals sprayed on our food that i believe are dangerous. 

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    one more thing, even if there is some magical, artificial chemical that makes food fruit adn vegetables healthier, i still doubt it compensates for the thousands of pesticides and chemicals sprayed on our food that i believe are dangerous. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:

    I don't know about agriculture per se, but all you need to do is go to parts of the country not overrun by illegal immigration and look to see who is working the fast food and other minimum wage jobs. Here's a hint, it's not the illegals.

    The "doing jobs Americans don't want to do is largely crap."

    i don't know that you can compare fast food jobs and other minimum wage jobs to migrant farm worker jobs, which may be the toughest jobs in this country.  read up on the migrant farm industry if you haven't.  it's some crazy shit. 

    but i guess we'll see.  in georgia, which has a pretty significant agricultural business,  we'll see what happens with the jobs that aren't being filled and the hundred of millions in losses.  i seriously doubt florida, which has a much bigger agricultural industry, follows georgia's lead.  they are way too reliant on illegals. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:

    I don't know about agriculture per se, but all you need to do is go to parts of the country not overrun by illegal immigration and look to see who is working the fast food and other minimum wage jobs. Here's a hint, it's not the illegals.

    The "doing jobs Americans don't want to do is largely crap."

    i don't know that you can compare fast food jobs and other minimum wage jobs to migrant farm worker jobs, which may be the toughest jobs in this country.  read up on the migrant farm industry if you haven't.  it's some crazy shit. 

    but i guess we'll see.  in georgia, which has a pretty significant agricultural business,  we'll see what happens with the jobs that aren't being filled and the hundred of millions in losses.  i seriously doubt florida, which has a much bigger agricultural industry, follows georgia's lead.  they are way too reliant on illegals. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by drJ:

    im astounded that we have a society that cant find citizens to pick crops when we have such high unemployment.  why is that and is this status quo sustainable


    Really DrJ? I'm not surprised one bit. You ever seen what its like to work in the fields? I am engulfed by agriculture where I am living, and let me tell you, that stuff is not easy work by any stretch of the imagination.
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    im astounded that we have a society that cant find citizens to pick crops when we have such high unemployment.  why is that and is this status quo sustainable


    Really DrJ? I'm not surprised one bit. You ever seen what its like to work in the fields? I am engulfed by agriculture where I am living, and let me tell you, that stuff is not easy work by any stretch of the imagination.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    i don't know of any pesticide or chemical that makes food healthier.  maybe there is one, but i don't know of it.  if there is, show us some research and we can evaluate it.  i do know of many pesticides and chemicals that do a good job of keeping fruit and vegetables around longer which is designed to increase profits for the agriculture industry.  i'm skeptical that this coincides with making the product healthier but again, i'm not the expert so i'll happily read objective contradictory research.

    as for your other question, i wouldn't buy the rotted fruit.  i used to buy the fruit and vegetables that looked big and ripe and perfect until i read what is sprayed on those products to make them look that way for a longer period of time than is natural.  now, i buy organic fruit adn vegetables and also clean them as a precaution. 



    Keep agriculture around longer CD isn't just to increase agricultural profits, but it also greatly stabilizes the food chain as well. You want periods of drought or excess with food? No, in theory you want a regular supply available (give or take a few percentage points) to the marketplace. That's not just a profit approach but also a consumer benefit approach.
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    i don't know of any pesticide or chemical that makes food healthier.  maybe there is one, but i don't know of it.  if there is, show us some research and we can evaluate it.  i do know of many pesticides and chemicals that do a good job of keeping fruit and vegetables around longer which is designed to increase profits for the agriculture industry.  i'm skeptical that this coincides with making the product healthier but again, i'm not the expert so i'll happily read objective contradictory research.

    as for your other question, i wouldn't buy the rotted fruit.  i used to buy the fruit and vegetables that looked big and ripe and perfect until i read what is sprayed on those products to make them look that way for a longer period of time than is natural.  now, i buy organic fruit adn vegetables and also clean them as a precaution. 



    Keep agriculture around longer CD isn't just to increase agricultural profits, but it also greatly stabilizes the food chain as well. You want periods of drought or excess with food? No, in theory you want a regular supply available (give or take a few percentage points) to the marketplace. That's not just a profit approach but also a consumer benefit approach.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:



    Keep agriculture around longer CD isn't just to increase agricultural profits, but it also greatly stabilizes the food chain as well. You want periods of drought or excess with food? No, in theory you want a regular supply available (give or take a few percentage points) to the marketplace. That's not just a profit approach but also a consumer benefit approach.

    i suppose, but i don't see the benefit of eating food sprayed with dangerous pesticides and chemicals.  i guess if you are struggling to find food, you are benefitted, but anyone with the luxury of making choices should really consider what they are eating.  also, it's hard to learn about monsanto and use the term, "consumer benefit."

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    Keep agriculture around longer CD isn't just to increase agricultural profits, but it also greatly stabilizes the food chain as well. You want periods of drought or excess with food? No, in theory you want a regular supply available (give or take a few percentage points) to the marketplace. That's not just a profit approach but also a consumer benefit approach.

    i suppose, but i don't see the benefit of eating food sprayed with dangerous pesticides and chemicals.  i guess if you are struggling to find food, you are benefitted, but anyone with the luxury of making choices should really consider what they are eating.  also, it's hard to learn about monsanto and use the term, "consumer benefit."

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    i suppose, but i don't see the benefit of eating food sprayed with dangerous pesticides and chemicals.  i guess if you are struggling to find food, you are benefitted, but anyone with the luxury of making choices should really consider what they are eating.  also, it's hard to learn about monsanto and use the term, "consumer benefit."



    Therein lies the distinction -- most of the pesticides and chemicals that are currently understood to be dangerous to consumers are banned and cannot be used on products. Does that mean they are all safe? No, I mean of course we can only be as sure that a certain chemical or pesticide is safe in accordance with our current scientific knowledge on its effects, long and short term. That's the best we can do now though unless you got some way for us to go into the future
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    i suppose, but i don't see the benefit of eating food sprayed with dangerous pesticides and chemicals.  i guess if you are struggling to find food, you are benefitted, but anyone with the luxury of making choices should really consider what they are eating.  also, it's hard to learn about monsanto and use the term, "consumer benefit."



    Therein lies the distinction -- most of the pesticides and chemicals that are currently understood to be dangerous to consumers are banned and cannot be used on products. Does that mean they are all safe? No, I mean of course we can only be as sure that a certain chemical or pesticide is safe in accordance with our current scientific knowledge on its effects, long and short term. That's the best we can do now though unless you got some way for us to go into the future
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