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    Gap between CEO and workers is much worse than you realize

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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2014 - 9:33 AM ET #51

    Basically the elite (CEO's) have to think up ways to destroy everyone else's life because we don't have much manufacturing anymore so what do we do with everyone else.  Lets find ways to exterminate them.  So they do that using our monetary system.  We will work you to death and pay you peanuts while we enjoy our yachts and make 350 times what you make.  Also lets start putting casinos everywhere so the people who still want to work for our country will hopefully use his or her paycheck and blow it on the slot machines.  That way you go back to working your tail off and you still have no money.  I mean these people are evil man.  I guess you have to be to be one of them now. 
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    Basically the elite (CEO's) have to think up ways to destroy everyone else's life because we don't have much manufacturing anymore so what do we do with everyone else.  Lets find ways to exterminate them.  So they do that using our monetary system.  We will work you to death and pay you peanuts while we enjoy our yachts and make 350 times what you make.  Also lets start putting casinos everywhere so the people who still want to work for our country will hopefully use his or her paycheck and blow it on the slot machines.  That way you go back to working your tail off and you still have no money.  I mean these people are evil man.  I guess you have to be to be one of them now. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2014 - 12:16 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Some of this is overblown a bit. People move up or down in class and from class to class. It is not like the exact same people are kept stagnant. By definition people that are middle class are usually those with slightly less ambition, etc. So, to an extent, the achievers continue to excel and climb. 
    Middle class income and buying power is relatively the same for a long time. So it is not like they are losing ground relatively speaking. They are just losing ground to a very small amount of achievers, be they CEOs, actors, athletes, etc.  Who says 30:1 is ideal? Why should it stay 30:1?  Does it really matter?  Is 100:1 really wrong?  This is one of the great things about living here, you are mainly limited by yourself.  Reminds me of Global Warming Wackos that think the avg temp should be 54 degrees or whatever it is right now?  Based on what they are used to and think it should always be. Ideal could be 58. Who knows?
    This guy explains somewhat how deceitful it is to blame corporations and CEOs while absolving the middle class themselves:
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2014/08/13/middle-class-power-behind-wage-inequality/



      I've been saying this for years. Totally agree!

    GG

    How many 50 thousand dollar pickup trucks and Cadillac Escalades do you see on the road this days as compared to 35 years ago high dollar vehicles? Does only the upper class own these type of vehicles?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Some of this is overblown a bit. People move up or down in class and from class to class. It is not like the exact same people are kept stagnant. By definition people that are middle class are usually those with slightly less ambition, etc. So, to an extent, the achievers continue to excel and climb. 
    Middle class income and buying power is relatively the same for a long time. So it is not like they are losing ground relatively speaking. They are just losing ground to a very small amount of achievers, be they CEOs, actors, athletes, etc.  Who says 30:1 is ideal? Why should it stay 30:1?  Does it really matter?  Is 100:1 really wrong?  This is one of the great things about living here, you are mainly limited by yourself.  Reminds me of Global Warming Wackos that think the avg temp should be 54 degrees or whatever it is right now?  Based on what they are used to and think it should always be. Ideal could be 58. Who knows?
    This guy explains somewhat how deceitful it is to blame corporations and CEOs while absolving the middle class themselves:
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2014/08/13/middle-class-power-behind-wage-inequality/



      I've been saying this for years. Totally agree!

    GG

    How many 50 thousand dollar pickup trucks and Cadillac Escalades do you see on the road this days as compared to 35 years ago high dollar vehicles? Does only the upper class own these type of vehicles?


     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2014 - 12:21 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by doggs:

    Basically the elite (CEO's) have to think up ways to destroy everyone else's life because we don't have much manufacturing anymore so what do we do with everyone else.  Lets find ways to exterminate them.  So they do that using our monetary system.  We will work you to death and pay you peanuts while we enjoy our yachts and make 350 times what you make.  Also lets start putting casinos everywhere so the people who still want to work for our country will hopefully use his or her paycheck and blow it on the slot machines.  That way you go back to working your tail off and you still have no money.  I mean these people are evil man.  I guess you have to be to be one of them now. 


    Yeah, that makes too much sense. (sarcasm)

    Do you really think CEO's want to crush the people that keep his company's stock price high?

    What specific methods are there that you speak of that are holding the people down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by doggs:

    Basically the elite (CEO's) have to think up ways to destroy everyone else's life because we don't have much manufacturing anymore so what do we do with everyone else.  Lets find ways to exterminate them.  So they do that using our monetary system.  We will work you to death and pay you peanuts while we enjoy our yachts and make 350 times what you make.  Also lets start putting casinos everywhere so the people who still want to work for our country will hopefully use his or her paycheck and blow it on the slot machines.  That way you go back to working your tail off and you still have no money.  I mean these people are evil man.  I guess you have to be to be one of them now. 


    Yeah, that makes too much sense. (sarcasm)

    Do you really think CEO's want to crush the people that keep his company's stock price high?

    What specific methods are there that you speak of that are holding the people down?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2014 - 12:36 PM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by doggs:

    Basically the elite (CEO's) have to think up ways to destroy everyone else's life because we don't have much manufacturing anymore so what do we do with everyone else.  Lets find ways to exterminate them.  So they do that using our monetary system.  We will work you to death and pay you peanuts while we enjoy our yachts and make 350 times what you make.  Also lets start putting casinos everywhere so the people who still want to work for our country will hopefully use his or her paycheck and blow it on the slot machines.  That way you go back to working your tail off and you still have no money.  I mean these people are evil man.  I guess you have to be to be one of them now. 


    So you're saying that 100% of the people in Vegas waste paycheck in slots or casinos?

    I may venture to guess that there are people that live in close proximity to casinos or liquor stores, strip joints...etc. and don't choose to partake.

    HMMM. If I open a liquor store 3 houses down from you and you get drunk and T Bone someone at a red light it's MY fault?

    I'm not particularly fond of the way you think!
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    Quote Originally Posted by doggs:

    Basically the elite (CEO's) have to think up ways to destroy everyone else's life because we don't have much manufacturing anymore so what do we do with everyone else.  Lets find ways to exterminate them.  So they do that using our monetary system.  We will work you to death and pay you peanuts while we enjoy our yachts and make 350 times what you make.  Also lets start putting casinos everywhere so the people who still want to work for our country will hopefully use his or her paycheck and blow it on the slot machines.  That way you go back to working your tail off and you still have no money.  I mean these people are evil man.  I guess you have to be to be one of them now. 


    So you're saying that 100% of the people in Vegas waste paycheck in slots or casinos?

    I may venture to guess that there are people that live in close proximity to casinos or liquor stores, strip joints...etc. and don't choose to partake.

    HMMM. If I open a liquor store 3 houses down from you and you get drunk and T Bone someone at a red light it's MY fault?

    I'm not particularly fond of the way you think!
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2014 - 2:44 PM ET #55

    Well...

    Ding fukking Dong.  The alarm clock finally goes of inside this CEO's head.

    It took his Ten Year old daughter to snap him out his out of Greediness Routine.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/09/27/head-2-trillion-investment-fund-quits-after-daughter-lists-family-milestones/?intcmp=latestnews




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    Well...

    Ding fukking Dong.  The alarm clock finally goes of inside this CEO's head.

    It took his Ten Year old daughter to snap him out his out of Greediness Routine.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/09/27/head-2-trillion-investment-fund-quits-after-daughter-lists-family-milestones/?intcmp=latestnews




     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2014 - 5:37 PM ET #56


    WTF is wrong with these 1%ers???

    How much money is enough???

    When, if ever, are you going to be satisfied???
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    WTF is wrong with these 1%ers???

    How much money is enough???

    When, if ever, are you going to be satisfied???
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2014 - 6:13 AM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


    WTF is wrong with these 1%ers???

    How much money is enough???

    When, if ever, are you going to be satisfied???


    What would you like to see the limit be?

    X = amount per year or X = amount per lifetime?

    Define X in your own opinion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


    WTF is wrong with these 1%ers???

    How much money is enough???

    When, if ever, are you going to be satisfied???


    What would you like to see the limit be?

    X = amount per year or X = amount per lifetime?

    Define X in your own opinion.


     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2014 - 6:23 AM ET #58


    I am already on record as using the Japanese Corporate Model.

    CEO pay is limited and success is closely monitored.

    If a CEO fails they are publicly shamed to the point where some commit suicide.

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    I am already on record as using the Japanese Corporate Model.

    CEO pay is limited and success is closely monitored.

    If a CEO fails they are publicly shamed to the point where some commit suicide.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2014 - 7:24 AM ET #59

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


    WTF is wrong with these 1%ers???

    How much money is enough???

    When, if ever, are you going to be satisfied???
    Nothing is wrong with them. They are doing what they like doing. They are simply hyper-driven people that are super-achievers. It is not just then either. Folks that are midrange or better also will continue to do what they like until they die or simply can't anymore. People like you and I do what we want to do as well; we want to retire as soon as possible and do hobbies, etc. Some people simply don't wanna do those things; they just wanna keep achieving. Again, they aren't takin from anyone else---there isn't a limited supply of money.  If it is your thing and you are driven, you can get way more as well. 
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    WTF is wrong with these 1%ers???

    How much money is enough???

    When, if ever, are you going to be satisfied???
    Nothing is wrong with them. They are doing what they like doing. They are simply hyper-driven people that are super-achievers. It is not just then either. Folks that are midrange or better also will continue to do what they like until they die or simply can't anymore. People like you and I do what we want to do as well; we want to retire as soon as possible and do hobbies, etc. Some people simply don't wanna do those things; they just wanna keep achieving. Again, they aren't takin from anyone else---there isn't a limited supply of money.  If it is your thing and you are driven, you can get way more as well. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2014 - 8:00 AM ET #60

    During his career at AIGFP from 1987 until he was forced to retire in March 2008, Cassano received $315 million: $280 million in cash and an additional $34 million in bonuses.

    Cassano remained on the payroll and kept collecting his monthly million through the end of September 2008, even after taxpayers had been forced to hand AIG $85 billion to patch up his mistakes.

    Raiders, you don't see a problem there?

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    During his career at AIGFP from 1987 until he was forced to retire in March 2008, Cassano received $315 million: $280 million in cash and an additional $34 million in bonuses.

    Cassano remained on the payroll and kept collecting his monthly million through the end of September 2008, even after taxpayers had been forced to hand AIG $85 billion to patch up his mistakes.

    Raiders, you don't see a problem there?

     
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    When the rich becomes richer, the economy grows despite more income inequality.  That is good except for those that don't deserve to be overpaid.  Examples such as shareholders angry about executive bonuses for failing corporations or taxpayers complaint about public sector workers paid more than private sector

    The real problem is that incomes of non-rich majority have failed to increase enough for decades.   Too many poor people is unhealthy for any country.  Unfortunately, there is no easy solution such as robbing the rich to help the poor.

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    When the rich becomes richer, the economy grows despite more income inequality.  That is good except for those that don't deserve to be overpaid.  Examples such as shareholders angry about executive bonuses for failing corporations or taxpayers complaint about public sector workers paid more than private sector

    The real problem is that incomes of non-rich majority have failed to increase enough for decades.   Too many poor people is unhealthy for any country.  Unfortunately, there is no easy solution such as robbing the rich to help the poor.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    When the rich becomes richer, the economy grows despite more income inequality.  That is good except for those that don't deserve to be overpaid.  Examples such as shareholders angry about executive bonuses for failing corporations or taxpayers complaint about public sector workers paid more than private sector

    The real problem is that incomes of non-rich majority have failed to increase enough for decades.   Too many poor people is unhealthy for any country.  Unfortunately, there is no easy solution such as robbing the rich to help the poor.



    I'm not convinced that the incomes of the non rich majority NEED to increase.

    Low inflation depends on a poor class.

    Affordable home prices depend on a healthy poor class.

    What class of people does inflated home prices hurt the most?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    When the rich becomes richer, the economy grows despite more income inequality.  That is good except for those that don't deserve to be overpaid.  Examples such as shareholders angry about executive bonuses for failing corporations or taxpayers complaint about public sector workers paid more than private sector

    The real problem is that incomes of non-rich majority have failed to increase enough for decades.   Too many poor people is unhealthy for any country.  Unfortunately, there is no easy solution such as robbing the rich to help the poor.



    I'm not convinced that the incomes of the non rich majority NEED to increase.

    Low inflation depends on a poor class.

    Affordable home prices depend on a healthy poor class.

    What class of people does inflated home prices hurt the most?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2014 - 12:59 PM ET #63

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    When the rich becomes richer, the economy grows despite more income inequality.  That is good except for those that don't deserve to be overpaid.  Examples such as shareholders angry about executive bonuses for failing corporations or taxpayers complaint about public sector workers paid more than private sector

    The real problem is that incomes of non-rich majority have failed to increase enough for decades.   Too many poor people is unhealthy for any country.  Unfortunately, there is no easy solution such as robbing the rich to help the poor.

     

    Wrong,  increase taxes on anyone making over a million per year.

    I would guarantee that people would still start businesses anyway because they would love a million dollar income rather than average than 60,000 a year.

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    When the rich becomes richer, the economy grows despite more income inequality.  That is good except for those that don't deserve to be overpaid.  Examples such as shareholders angry about executive bonuses for failing corporations or taxpayers complaint about public sector workers paid more than private sector

    The real problem is that incomes of non-rich majority have failed to increase enough for decades.   Too many poor people is unhealthy for any country.  Unfortunately, there is no easy solution such as robbing the rich to help the poor.

     

    Wrong,  increase taxes on anyone making over a million per year.

    I would guarantee that people would still start businesses anyway because they would love a million dollar income rather than average than 60,000 a year.

     
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    I have a tendency to agree that these top ceo guys are paid a insane amount of money. Why they would not take some of that and pass it back down to all their employees just makes no sense, to me that is.

    But I never really understood this 350 to 1 pay ratio of ceo vs. avg worker pay. When looking at the very top of ceo pay, yes that maybe true. But to compare the two you have to look at all ceo pay, am I correct ? I was surprised to find out that in 2013 the bureau of labor stats reported that there are 248,760 chief execs. Their avg. pay with compensation was 178,400. The avg worker pay was 46,000. Certainly not 350 to 1..... More like 5 to1a huge difference, and really misleading. But it really fires people up and that sells.

    In my thinking you should not take the avg of .08% of one thing (top 200 ceo's pay) and compare it to 100% ( avg pay of 100 million workers). IT has to be 100% of one vs 100% of another for a true avg number.  Where am I wrong??

    But as I said I think these top paid ceo guys (10-50 million/yr) do not help out the lower paid workers in their companies enough. They could give them a 5000 to 10000 bonus/yr . The ceo life style would not change at all vs what it could do for the employee. Me, I cannot stand large corps, large banks or large govt. I avoid them as much as possible and feel good about it. Always buy American products when and where I can, even if it costs more.  Perfect example...Going American in the ryder cup, that cost me. 

     

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    I have a tendency to agree that these top ceo guys are paid a insane amount of money. Why they would not take some of that and pass it back down to all their employees just makes no sense, to me that is.

    But I never really understood this 350 to 1 pay ratio of ceo vs. avg worker pay. When looking at the very top of ceo pay, yes that maybe true. But to compare the two you have to look at all ceo pay, am I correct ? I was surprised to find out that in 2013 the bureau of labor stats reported that there are 248,760 chief execs. Their avg. pay with compensation was 178,400. The avg worker pay was 46,000. Certainly not 350 to 1..... More like 5 to1a huge difference, and really misleading. But it really fires people up and that sells.

    In my thinking you should not take the avg of .08% of one thing (top 200 ceo's pay) and compare it to 100% ( avg pay of 100 million workers). IT has to be 100% of one vs 100% of another for a true avg number.  Where am I wrong??

    But as I said I think these top paid ceo guys (10-50 million/yr) do not help out the lower paid workers in their companies enough. They could give them a 5000 to 10000 bonus/yr . The ceo life style would not change at all vs what it could do for the employee. Me, I cannot stand large corps, large banks or large govt. I avoid them as much as possible and feel good about it. Always buy American products when and where I can, even if it costs more.  Perfect example...Going American in the ryder cup, that cost me. 

     

     
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    Love how you guys complain incessantly about the guys making $20M in the NBA........Oh that's right, you don't.


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    Love how you guys complain incessantly about the guys making $20M in the NBA........Oh that's right, you don't.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:



    The OP was making a point that the CEO compensation is insanely out of whack and that has a direct effect on Workers Wages.  I concur.  You apparently do not. 

    It is just unbelievable to me that Middle Class America continues to accept the continuing shiitier jobs with lower pay, longer hours, reduced benefits, no overtime pay and zero pensions.

    THE SYSTEM FUKKED EVERYBODY THIRTY-FIVE YEARS AGO.

    And nobody seems to notice.  Nobody seems to care.

    And you know what?  I really don't care either way.

    I have a plan.  My plan.

    I am bailing out of this country in July of 2015.  Bye-Bye.

    But you guys hold the fort.  Keep supporting those Corporate Fukks.

    Hey Goose. And after the Great One gives "legal-status" (amnesty) to 5M, do you think this will help middle-class wages or do further damage?
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    The OP was making a point that the CEO compensation is insanely out of whack and that has a direct effect on Workers Wages.  I concur.  You apparently do not. 

    It is just unbelievable to me that Middle Class America continues to accept the continuing shiitier jobs with lower pay, longer hours, reduced benefits, no overtime pay and zero pensions.

    THE SYSTEM FUKKED EVERYBODY THIRTY-FIVE YEARS AGO.

    And nobody seems to notice.  Nobody seems to care.

    And you know what?  I really don't care either way.

    I have a plan.  My plan.

    I am bailing out of this country in July of 2015.  Bye-Bye.

    But you guys hold the fort.  Keep supporting those Corporate Fukks.

    Hey Goose. And after the Great One gives "legal-status" (amnesty) to 5M, do you think this will help middle-class wages or do further damage?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    During his career at AIGFP from 1987 until he was forced to retire in March 2008, Cassano received $315 million: $280 million in cash and an additional $34 million in bonuses.

    Cassano remained on the payroll and kept collecting his monthly million through the end of September 2008, even after taxpayers had been forced to hand AIG $85 billion to patch up his mistakes.

    Raiders, you don't see a problem there?

    Nah. I never have a problem with people making money. If they are doing it illegally or unethically---then that is different. If someone is willing to pay someone, then they must think they are worth it. Whether it is a board of directors or and NBA owner or an entrepreneur.  
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    During his career at AIGFP from 1987 until he was forced to retire in March 2008, Cassano received $315 million: $280 million in cash and an additional $34 million in bonuses.

    Cassano remained on the payroll and kept collecting his monthly million through the end of September 2008, even after taxpayers had been forced to hand AIG $85 billion to patch up his mistakes.

    Raiders, you don't see a problem there?

    Nah. I never have a problem with people making money. If they are doing it illegally or unethically---then that is different. If someone is willing to pay someone, then they must think they are worth it. Whether it is a board of directors or and NBA owner or an entrepreneur.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1IRON:

    I have a tendency to agree that these top ceo guys are paid a insane amount of money. Why they would not take some of that and pass it back down to all their employees just makes no sense, to me that is.

    But I never really understood this 350 to 1 pay ratio of ceo vs. avg worker pay. When looking at the very top of ceo pay, yes that maybe true. But to compare the two you have to look at all ceo pay, am I correct ? I was surprised to find out that in 2013 the bureau of labor stats reported that there are 248,760 chief execs. Their avg. pay with compensation was 178,400. The avg worker pay was 46,000. Certainly not 350 to 1..... More like 5 to1a huge difference, and really misleading. But it really fires people up and that sells.

    In my thinking you should not take the avg of .08% of one thing (top 200 ceo's pay) and compare it to 100% ( avg pay of 100 million workers). IT has to be 100% of one vs 100% of another for a true avg number.  Where am I wrong??

    But as I said I think these top paid ceo guys (10-50 million/yr) do not help out the lower paid workers in their companies enough. They could give them a 5000 to 10000 bonus/yr . The ceo life style would not change at all vs what it could do for the employee. Me, I cannot stand large corps, large banks or large govt. I avoid them as much as possible and feel good about it. Always buy American products when and where I can, even if it costs more.  Perfect example...Going American in the ryder cup, that cost me. 

     

    Of course the CEO thing is a liberal scare tactic. Always has been. I agree with all of that. But I don't agree CEOs should pay some to employes. At what point? A million+? 10million+?  Way too confusing. After awhile the 200K CEO is expected to pay some back. Also, the employes are rewarded---they get paid. So many of these companies where the CEOs make the multi-millions the employees are very inefficient. So why reward them more?  
    Never understood the folks that say they hate big companies and banks.  Why?  The implication is that they are underhanded, etc. Small companies can be also. There are many small contractors are business owners that will rip you off more than a big company will.  Big companies do provide great services and products sometimes. So always weird to me that people hate them all because a few do illegal things etc. 
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    I have a tendency to agree that these top ceo guys are paid a insane amount of money. Why they would not take some of that and pass it back down to all their employees just makes no sense, to me that is.

    But I never really understood this 350 to 1 pay ratio of ceo vs. avg worker pay. When looking at the very top of ceo pay, yes that maybe true. But to compare the two you have to look at all ceo pay, am I correct ? I was surprised to find out that in 2013 the bureau of labor stats reported that there are 248,760 chief execs. Their avg. pay with compensation was 178,400. The avg worker pay was 46,000. Certainly not 350 to 1..... More like 5 to1a huge difference, and really misleading. But it really fires people up and that sells.

    In my thinking you should not take the avg of .08% of one thing (top 200 ceo's pay) and compare it to 100% ( avg pay of 100 million workers). IT has to be 100% of one vs 100% of another for a true avg number.  Where am I wrong??

    But as I said I think these top paid ceo guys (10-50 million/yr) do not help out the lower paid workers in their companies enough. They could give them a 5000 to 10000 bonus/yr . The ceo life style would not change at all vs what it could do for the employee. Me, I cannot stand large corps, large banks or large govt. I avoid them as much as possible and feel good about it. Always buy American products when and where I can, even if it costs more.  Perfect example...Going American in the ryder cup, that cost me. 

     

    Of course the CEO thing is a liberal scare tactic. Always has been. I agree with all of that. But I don't agree CEOs should pay some to employes. At what point? A million+? 10million+?  Way too confusing. After awhile the 200K CEO is expected to pay some back. Also, the employes are rewarded---they get paid. So many of these companies where the CEOs make the multi-millions the employees are very inefficient. So why reward them more?  
    Never understood the folks that say they hate big companies and banks.  Why?  The implication is that they are underhanded, etc. Small companies can be also. There are many small contractors are business owners that will rip you off more than a big company will.  Big companies do provide great services and products sometimes. So always weird to me that people hate them all because a few do illegal things etc. 
     
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    "Never understood the folks that say they hate big companies and banks.  Why?"


    Hello???  Anybody home inside there???


    9/29/2014

    (CNN) - ATM fees surged this year, according to a new survey by Bankrate.

    Out-of-network ATM fees jumped 5 percent, to a new high. On average, customers were charged $4.35 per transaction.

    Bankrate also reports those high fees kept most people from using such ATMs, but that's part of the problem. Banks hike fees to make up for the loss.

    There's no sign of that slowing down. ATM fees have skyrocketed 23 percent over the past five years.



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    "Never understood the folks that say they hate big companies and banks.  Why?"


    Hello???  Anybody home inside there???


    9/29/2014

    (CNN) - ATM fees surged this year, according to a new survey by Bankrate.

    Out-of-network ATM fees jumped 5 percent, to a new high. On average, customers were charged $4.35 per transaction.

    Bankrate also reports those high fees kept most people from using such ATMs, but that's part of the problem. Banks hike fees to make up for the loss.

    There's no sign of that slowing down. ATM fees have skyrocketed 23 percent over the past five years.



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:


    Hey Goose. And after the Great One gives "legal-status" (amnesty) to 5M, do you think this will help middle-class wages or do further damage?



    Not talking about you killer_B.  You know I'm not talking about you.  I'm Not talking about Small Business Owners who employ ten people.

    I'm talking about the Big-Time, Major League BSers.

    I know you want to think you're important as a small business owner but you're not.  Not trying to insult you, it's just the facts.  I know you want to think of yourself as a Player, but you're not.

    I'm a nobody.  You're a nobody.  99% of us are nobodies.

    Get used to it.  The Owners of this country aren't changing the rules for a Small Business like you.  THEY OWN YOU.

    It's a BIG CLUB and you and I and the rest of the 99%ers ARE NOT IN THE BIG CLUB.  Not Now, not EVER.
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    Hey Goose. And after the Great One gives "legal-status" (amnesty) to 5M, do you think this will help middle-class wages or do further damage?



    Not talking about you killer_B.  You know I'm not talking about you.  I'm Not talking about Small Business Owners who employ ten people.

    I'm talking about the Big-Time, Major League BSers.

    I know you want to think you're important as a small business owner but you're not.  Not trying to insult you, it's just the facts.  I know you want to think of yourself as a Player, but you're not.

    I'm a nobody.  You're a nobody.  99% of us are nobodies.

    Get used to it.  The Owners of this country aren't changing the rules for a Small Business like you.  THEY OWN YOU.

    It's a BIG CLUB and you and I and the rest of the 99%ers ARE NOT IN THE BIG CLUB.  Not Now, not EVER.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:



    "Never understood the folks that say they hate big companies and banks.  Why?"


    Hello???  Anybody home inside there???


    9/29/2014

    (CNN) - ATM fees surged this year, according to a new survey by Bankrate.

    Out-of-network ATM fees jumped 5 percent, to a new high. On average, customers were charged $4.35 per transaction.

    Bankrate also reports those high fees kept most people from using such ATMs, but that's part of the problem. Banks hike fees to make up for the loss.

    There's no sign of that slowing down. ATM fees have skyrocketed 23 percent over the past five years.



    This is your response to why you hate companies and banks? I haven't seen fees this high. But then I cannot remember the last time I paid an ATM fee period. I am very surprised it matters to you. As much as you hate banks and companies I figured you wouldn't deal with banks at all. Easy way to fix this---don't pay the ATM fee. Use your bank's ATM only or have the cash you need with you. Can't understand people always running to the ATM. Why pay the fees?  Like the old guy said, "A gentleman always carries at least $200."  Never understand folks that don't have $20 on them. Pay with CC for everything. Anyway just a rant on that. But I hope this isn't your biggest pet peeve. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:



    "Never understood the folks that say they hate big companies and banks.  Why?"


    Hello???  Anybody home inside there???


    9/29/2014

    (CNN) - ATM fees surged this year, according to a new survey by Bankrate.

    Out-of-network ATM fees jumped 5 percent, to a new high. On average, customers were charged $4.35 per transaction.

    Bankrate also reports those high fees kept most people from using such ATMs, but that's part of the problem. Banks hike fees to make up for the loss.

    There's no sign of that slowing down. ATM fees have skyrocketed 23 percent over the past five years.



    This is your response to why you hate companies and banks? I haven't seen fees this high. But then I cannot remember the last time I paid an ATM fee period. I am very surprised it matters to you. As much as you hate banks and companies I figured you wouldn't deal with banks at all. Easy way to fix this---don't pay the ATM fee. Use your bank's ATM only or have the cash you need with you. Can't understand people always running to the ATM. Why pay the fees?  Like the old guy said, "A gentleman always carries at least $200."  Never understand folks that don't have $20 on them. Pay with CC for everything. Anyway just a rant on that. But I hope this isn't your biggest pet peeve. 
     
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    You miss the point raiders... People like you and I DO NOT pay the fee.

    So the rates are increased so the poor pay a higher fee.

    It's a never-ending relentless attack on people who can least afford the fee.
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    You miss the point raiders... People like you and I DO NOT pay the fee.

    So the rates are increased so the poor pay a higher fee.

    It's a never-ending relentless attack on people who can least afford the fee.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Of course the CEO thing is a liberal scare tactic. Always has been. I agree with all of that. But I don't agree CEOs should pay some to employes. At what point? A million+? 10million+?  Way too confusing. After awhile the 200K CEO is expected to pay some back. Also, the employes are rewarded---they get paid. So many of these companies where the CEOs make the multi-millions the employees are very inefficient. So why reward them more?  
    Never understood the folks that say they hate big companies and banks.  Why?  The implication is that they are underhanded, etc. Small companies can be also. There are many small contractors are business owners that will rip you off more than a big company will.  Big companies do provide great services and products sometimes. So always weird to me that people hate them all because a few do illegal things etc. 
    LOL.....if the employees are so inefficient, how is the company making millions? Truth is, the CEO's are out of touch. Look at how bad customer service has gotten in most industries (don't tell me you haven't heard about the Comcast debacles).

     In many situations, the employees will bust their fools to help a company be productive.......the company has a stellar year..........& the employees are rewarded by having the head count cut. CEO's work for Wall St & no one else.
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    Of course the CEO thing is a liberal scare tactic. Always has been. I agree with all of that. But I don't agree CEOs should pay some to employes. At what point? A million+? 10million+?  Way too confusing. After awhile the 200K CEO is expected to pay some back. Also, the employes are rewarded---they get paid. So many of these companies where the CEOs make the multi-millions the employees are very inefficient. So why reward them more?  
    Never understood the folks that say they hate big companies and banks.  Why?  The implication is that they are underhanded, etc. Small companies can be also. There are many small contractors are business owners that will rip you off more than a big company will.  Big companies do provide great services and products sometimes. So always weird to me that people hate them all because a few do illegal things etc. 
    LOL.....if the employees are so inefficient, how is the company making millions? Truth is, the CEO's are out of touch. Look at how bad customer service has gotten in most industries (don't tell me you haven't heard about the Comcast debacles).

     In many situations, the employees will bust their fools to help a company be productive.......the company has a stellar year..........& the employees are rewarded by having the head count cut. CEO's work for Wall St & no one else.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:




    Not talking about you killer_B.  You know I'm not talking about you.  I'm Not talking about Small Business Owners who employ ten people.

    I'm talking about the Big-Time, Major League BSers.

    I know you want to think you're important as a small business owner but you're not.  Not trying to insult you, it's just the facts.  I know you want to think of yourself as a Player, but you're not.

    I'm a nobody.  You're a nobody.  99% of us are nobodies.

    Get used to it.  The Owners of this country aren't changing the rules for a Small Business like you.  THEY OWN YOU.

    It's a BIG CLUB and you and I and the rest of the 99%ers ARE NOT IN THE BIG CLUB.  Not Now, not EVER.

    No argument from me Goose... No question 99% are pawns in the game. I'm in a way better spot than I was a year ago, but I know it's all relative. I know how fortunate I am for being able to do this during this era. 

    When I moved to AZ in 1999 I had 3 job interviews and got all 3 jobs. Fast-forward to 2014 and if I had to do it again, I'd have to think real hard about giving up the security I had in Maryland to take a chance in AZ plus there's no way I could go 3 for 3 in this climate. Back then you could move around, get jobs and not feel like you're risking everything. 
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    Not talking about you killer_B.  You know I'm not talking about you.  I'm Not talking about Small Business Owners who employ ten people.

    I'm talking about the Big-Time, Major League BSers.

    I know you want to think you're important as a small business owner but you're not.  Not trying to insult you, it's just the facts.  I know you want to think of yourself as a Player, but you're not.

    I'm a nobody.  You're a nobody.  99% of us are nobodies.

    Get used to it.  The Owners of this country aren't changing the rules for a Small Business like you.  THEY OWN YOU.

    It's a BIG CLUB and you and I and the rest of the 99%ers ARE NOT IN THE BIG CLUB.  Not Now, not EVER.

    No argument from me Goose... No question 99% are pawns in the game. I'm in a way better spot than I was a year ago, but I know it's all relative. I know how fortunate I am for being able to do this during this era. 

    When I moved to AZ in 1999 I had 3 job interviews and got all 3 jobs. Fast-forward to 2014 and if I had to do it again, I'd have to think real hard about giving up the security I had in Maryland to take a chance in AZ plus there's no way I could go 3 for 3 in this climate. Back then you could move around, get jobs and not feel like you're risking everything. 
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Of course the CEO thing is a liberal scare tactic. Always has been. I agree with all of that. But I don't agree CEOs should pay some to employes. At what point? A million+? 10million+?  Way too confusing. After awhile the 200K CEO is expected to pay some back. Also, the employes are rewarded---they get paid. So many of these companies where the CEOs make the multi-millions the employees are very inefficient. So why reward them more?  
    Never understood the folks that say they hate big companies and banks.  Why?  The implication is that they are underhanded, etc. Small companies can be also. There are many small contractors are business owners that will rip you off more than a big company will.  Big companies do provide great services and products sometimes. So always weird to me that people hate them all because a few do illegal things etc. 

    1. What makes it confusing ?..........2. Point taken about worthless employees. But not many of those because they would be let go. Their boss and fellow employees will make sure of that, plus what about those employees that over achieve?..........3. If small buisneess is underhanded they don't last, not so with large business. They can screw with people and increase profits and revenues.......Sometimes they do provide a good service, key word SOMETIMES, a good smaller company provides a good service MOST the time........4. My real problem with them is just like the problem I have with big government, way to much influence and power on a national and worldwide level. Again taking advantage of people because of their massive size, their countless lawyers, and unlimited money is something impossible for small business. and small government.......5. Radiers,  I agree with many of your comments on other subjects, but not on this one. When it comes to business, smaller will 95% of the time be better, for the customer and employee. Same goes for government. 

    thanks for the reply, good thing to discuss......1iron

                                           

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    Of course the CEO thing is a liberal scare tactic. Always has been. I agree with all of that. But I don't agree CEOs should pay some to employes. At what point? A million+? 10million+?  Way too confusing. After awhile the 200K CEO is expected to pay some back. Also, the employes are rewarded---they get paid. So many of these companies where the CEOs make the multi-millions the employees are very inefficient. So why reward them more?  
    Never understood the folks that say they hate big companies and banks.  Why?  The implication is that they are underhanded, etc. Small companies can be also. There are many small contractors are business owners that will rip you off more than a big company will.  Big companies do provide great services and products sometimes. So always weird to me that people hate them all because a few do illegal things etc. 

    1. What makes it confusing ?..........2. Point taken about worthless employees. But not many of those because they would be let go. Their boss and fellow employees will make sure of that, plus what about those employees that over achieve?..........3. If small buisneess is underhanded they don't last, not so with large business. They can screw with people and increase profits and revenues.......Sometimes they do provide a good service, key word SOMETIMES, a good smaller company provides a good service MOST the time........4. My real problem with them is just like the problem I have with big government, way to much influence and power on a national and worldwide level. Again taking advantage of people because of their massive size, their countless lawyers, and unlimited money is something impossible for small business. and small government.......5. Radiers,  I agree with many of your comments on other subjects, but not on this one. When it comes to business, smaller will 95% of the time be better, for the customer and employee. Same goes for government. 

    thanks for the reply, good thing to discuss......1iron

                                           

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