For those who are ignorant about the Second Amendment

And before you go off crying to the mods about some perceived slight you might want to ask yourself why you are perpetuating a sick meme that lawful gun owners are somehow responsible for the death of children. It is truly sick and twisted.

And honestly indicates a larger problem where you see a tragedy and see opportunity.

You are an ambulance chaser of political discourse. And that's not being entirely fair to ambulance chasers. At least they might actually help somebody.

Don, let me be direct.

I think you his out in the NG so you wouldn't have to go to war. If this is incorrect I am truly sorry and I will apologize to you in kind. But something tells me I am not far off.

His=hid

Okay Rick, I said that I wouldn't have further discussions with you, but since you gave a half way apology I will set the record straight one more time, try to remember.

I would never hide out from anything.

I served 2 years....USNG,, re-enlisted 3 years US ARMY total of 5 years. 1959-1964 ..

I have 2 Honorable Discharges.

I got married (to my present wife of 48 years,) upon discharge and went back to school.

Viet Nam war began later that year August 1964. So I did not serve in Nam. The Pres. Johnson build-up of 500,000 troops began in 1965.

My brother was not drafted either, he volunteered and served in Viet Nam 1966-1969 but he will not talk about it, and will not even display a veteran license tag, he says that's not something he would wear on his sleeve.

My Father served on ship World War 11, was drafted in Navy 1942-1945. He had 3 children. At that time they drafted those without children first, the more you had, the further down your name would be on the list. I have his honorable discharge, and his casket flag on display in my home.

My Nephew served proudly in U.S. Marines 2008-2012

My Niece serving  U.S Army from 2009---she is still serving proudly.

They are not hero's, the real war hero's are buried in  military graves, and others graves, in Normandy and in other countries. But we served proudly.

Those who made it back home are blessed.

Now you and others who have not served at all or served in some capacity, can still volunteer to go to Afganistan. If not, do not speak about my service. Look in the mirror.

Hey DonJuan:

Your service is not the question....however, it is troubling that with the life experiences you have had in the military, that you are in complete agreement and support of this gun grab by the Feds.

Strange. I can't understand it.

Your attempt to make a gun rights advocate equivalent to being anti-child is irresponsible.  Again, it is very surprising that a person of your experience and age would push such a morally bankrupt arguement.

Do you honestly see how bad of a foul it is to use a national tragedy involving young kids to further your side of a political agenda that has been hotly debated for the passed 25 years?  To use Sandy Hook in an attempt demonize gun owners is irresponsible.  It disrespects the victims, families, and insults the collective intelligence of the country as a whole. 

Whatever.  Like I said before, people like you and I will never see eye to eye on this one.  I find that people whom lived in the 1960's developed their life long politics there....they either fall on the far left with the hippies, or they fall on the right representing the same ideology as their fathers.

I wasn't around then.  But my dad was. He was drafted and served 18 months in Vietnam.  He left there with a bad taste in his mouth from what he saw and experienced.   The taste got worse when he saw what happened to the entire country of Vietnam when the US abruptly pulled out. 

From a young age I was taught to use firearms to hunt and for personal protection....and I was also taught that politicians do what is in their best interests, not what is in the citizens' best interest.

However, I do agree with you that the real heroes are buried in places like Normandy and Arlington...or buried in the rice patties southeast of Vuhgnro Bay.

Good luck in putting all of your trust in the Feds.  And good luck with your picks. 

Uhh, ok. So you never served in a combat zone. 

Don if I may ask, where were you stationed during the Cuban Missle Crisis?

Don Juan:


When coming up with the Amendments of the Constitution-----they started with what was the most important and basically---no brainers---like when you think of what you need to survive----1: Food 2:water 3: air


The same principle goes for the limitations of Government over it's people.

1: Freedom of speech ---- do you think they made that because maybe one day "tyrannical" governments may want to stop us from being knowledgeable?----   Read about what it was like to be a Hitler Youth and to suggest that their government may be murdering innocent Germans-----maybe we should give that right up because too many people are insulting people and causing them to hurt themselves or others?

2: Right to bare arms-----again is to stop a potential "tyrannical" government

I understand your point that their weapons are far superior to our-----but your logic is a defeatist's attitude----you'd rather lay down and just die, then to stand up and fight and see if maybe something can happen--at least we would have a chance--but you can forget it if we give up our guns----if we give up our guns, we are flies on the wall----they can kill us with simple fly swatters and not break a sweat---

I'd like to make it as hard as I can for that "tyrannical" government our amendments protect and warn us about----I'd rather die stinging like a honey bee----then like a pathetic fly--


  your logic is wrong don juan

Guys give him a break...

Rick, the same old rick..So I gather that you served in Iraq on the front lines, if not this is what you sound like. From my experience, no real soldier brags about his combat time, when there are US 5,000 body bags back from that war.

Every soldier peeled potatos in boot camp pal.

 

A real soldier looks after children, ALL CHILDREN he does not brag about his combat experience , nor a fireman, while they are being slaughtered. That's what a real man or real veteran does.

nd that “no amount of small arms could be useful against modern-day bombers and tanks.”

Today, that is no longer the case, and it hasn’t been the case for a century or longer. Around the world, governments have access to a range of weaponry that private citizens have no hope of matching or withstanding. There is simply no comparison between the brute, deadly force that a government can wield and that wielded by private citizens, individually or collectively. Technology has rendered that aspect of the Second Amendment a dead letter.

Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.

The British Army in 1774 was the most technologically advanced, best trained, and fearsome fighting force in the world.

Didn't know that they had bombers and tanks.Ane that they trained in "gorilla" warfare that the colonists used. Thanx for the history lesson.

And I believe rick also had thoghts about how assault type weapons would fare against the govt. And I do believe rick has some combat experience. Maybe you could tell us your military experience?

By the way, America is much, much more geographically friendly to an armed insurgency than Iraq is.

 2 Blackhawks down but what was the end result n Somilia?

And these coups you speak of,were any against a military as strong as ours?

 

The Sandy Nook shooting could not have been prevented by stricter gun laws or stricter gun registration .

Adam Lanza was not a gun owner..

Dam, you look good Smile, you look like a movie star.

Oh, did I spell your name wrong ?

The weapons are in the hands of the military minus maybe the codes for nukes.

If the people rise up and the miltary members and their cache of equipment join the people then the weapons are with the people

 

darkhorse,

A domestic insurgency would make Afghanistan and Iraq look like a training exercises.