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    Midnight1
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2022 - 10:19 PM ET #101

    The motive for hanging on to highly classified documents has to be seen in the context that Trump doesn’t read, has no interest in policy, is interested only in himself and is focused only on protecting or enriching himself.

    Was his plan to sell these documents or attempt to blackmail someone with them or use them for future business leverage or

    ALL OF THE ABOVE?

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    The motive for hanging on to highly classified documents has to be seen in the context that Trump doesn’t read, has no interest in policy, is interested only in himself and is focused only on protecting or enriching himself.

    Was his plan to sell these documents or attempt to blackmail someone with them or use them for future business leverage or

    ALL OF THE ABOVE?

     
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2022 - 10:24 PM ET #102

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    The motive for hanging on to highly classified documents has to be seen in the context that Trump doesn’t read, 

    has no interest in policy,

    is interested only in himself

    and is focused only on protecting or enriching himself.

    Was his plan to sell these documents or attempt to blackmail someone with them or use them for future business leverage or ALL OF THE ABOVE?

    All of the above.  an_clap

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    The motive for hanging on to highly classified documents has to be seen in the context that Trump doesn’t read, 

    has no interest in policy,

    is interested only in himself

    and is focused only on protecting or enriching himself.

    Was his plan to sell these documents or attempt to blackmail someone with them or use them for future business leverage or ALL OF THE ABOVE?

    All of the above.  an_clap

     
    Midnight1
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2022 - 10:29 PM ET #103

    If the POS were ever to go to jail, it would open the door for every other lying, stealing, corrupt, perverted politician to go to jail as well.

    I think most Americans would be fine with this taking place in the future. 

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    If the POS were ever to go to jail, it would open the door for every other lying, stealing, corrupt, perverted politician to go to jail as well.

    I think most Americans would be fine with this taking place in the future. 

     
    MrWhatsItToYa
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2022 - 12:56 AM ET #104

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: The law prohibits DOJ from discussing a search warrant that is under seal. Secrecy rules are designed to protect the person under investigation. You know who could discuss it? Donald Trump, who would have received a copy of the inventory of items seized. Does anyone think that if Trump believed presenting the warrant would help him, legitimately or otherwise, he wouldn't? He would be blasting the details all over. And he is not. Just give that a little thought...I find it strange that I haven't heard Ivanka or Jared say anything yet.Dumb and Dumber(eric and junior)have said something about it,but i haven't heard anything from the kushner's yet. What kind of strikes me is the way eric said "You know they broke into a safe.He didn't even have anything in the safe".I would bet they did find something in the safe,but eric's gonna try and get ahead of that story by saying nothing was in there.Then when they do disclose that they found whatever in the safe.He can say i told you even before they disclosed what they said they found in the safe,that nothing was in there.That proves they must of planted whatever they say they got in the safe.I heard they brought a safe cracker to the residence when the search warrant was served,I don't know if that's normal procedure or not.But somehow they knew the safe was going to be an important part of the things they wanted to search.Almost like someone who the government has been talking to said,you will find what your looking for in the safe.I had also heard that the government didn't allow any of the trumps or people who worked there to be around when they were conducting the search.So how would eric know if they found anything or not in the safe?I'm sure the government filmed the search and filmed the moment they cracked and opened the safe,but eric probably doesn't realize that.I'm probably wrong,and it's probably just cause I've been drinking and celebrating this historical couple days for this country,but it just struck me as strange the way he casually made sure to say that nothing was in the safe.
    Maybe I have missed it,so if I have please let me know what they've said.But I still haven't heard a statement from Ivanka or Jared,I find that pretty strange.Now that they got the 2 billion from the Saudi's,maybe they realize they don't need to ruin the rest of their lives and their childrens lives,by following a big lie,just to protect her lying father.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: The law prohibits DOJ from discussing a search warrant that is under seal. Secrecy rules are designed to protect the person under investigation. You know who could discuss it? Donald Trump, who would have received a copy of the inventory of items seized. Does anyone think that if Trump believed presenting the warrant would help him, legitimately or otherwise, he wouldn't? He would be blasting the details all over. And he is not. Just give that a little thought...I find it strange that I haven't heard Ivanka or Jared say anything yet.Dumb and Dumber(eric and junior)have said something about it,but i haven't heard anything from the kushner's yet. What kind of strikes me is the way eric said "You know they broke into a safe.He didn't even have anything in the safe".I would bet they did find something in the safe,but eric's gonna try and get ahead of that story by saying nothing was in there.Then when they do disclose that they found whatever in the safe.He can say i told you even before they disclosed what they said they found in the safe,that nothing was in there.That proves they must of planted whatever they say they got in the safe.I heard they brought a safe cracker to the residence when the search warrant was served,I don't know if that's normal procedure or not.But somehow they knew the safe was going to be an important part of the things they wanted to search.Almost like someone who the government has been talking to said,you will find what your looking for in the safe.I had also heard that the government didn't allow any of the trumps or people who worked there to be around when they were conducting the search.So how would eric know if they found anything or not in the safe?I'm sure the government filmed the search and filmed the moment they cracked and opened the safe,but eric probably doesn't realize that.I'm probably wrong,and it's probably just cause I've been drinking and celebrating this historical couple days for this country,but it just struck me as strange the way he casually made sure to say that nothing was in the safe.
    Maybe I have missed it,so if I have please let me know what they've said.But I still haven't heard a statement from Ivanka or Jared,I find that pretty strange.Now that they got the 2 billion from the Saudi's,maybe they realize they don't need to ruin the rest of their lives and their childrens lives,by following a big lie,just to protect her lying father.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2022 - 12:00 PM ET #105

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    The POS was found with stolen documents. And when given the chance to return them, he only returned about 50% of them. How can anyone defend those actions?

    But

    But

    But Biden is stoopid!  

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    The POS was found with stolen documents. And when given the chance to return them, he only returned about 50% of them. How can anyone defend those actions?

    But

    But

    But Biden is stoopid!  

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2022 - 3:44 PM ET #106

    The very heroic and brave agents of the FBI might have placed listening devices at Mar-A-Lago! angry

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    The very heroic and brave agents of the FBI might have placed listening devices at Mar-A-Lago! angry

     
    MrWhatsItToYa
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2022 - 4:08 PM ET #107

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    The very heroic and brave agents of the FBI might have placed listening devices at Mar-A-Lago!
    Quit watching old Mission Impossible reruns you gullible fool.This post will self destruct in 5 seconds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    The very heroic and brave agents of the FBI might have placed listening devices at Mar-A-Lago!
    Quit watching old Mission Impossible reruns you gullible fool.This post will self destruct in 5 seconds.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2022 - 4:17 PM ET #108

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: The very heroic and brave agents of the FBI might have placed listening devices at Mar-A-Lago!Quit watching old Mission Impossible reruns you gullible fool.This post will self destruct in 5 seconds.

    Guy gets out of rehab. Comes back the same day and posts the same unproven, conspiracy bs. Cannot imagine having that kind of a mentality. an_light 

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: The very heroic and brave agents of the FBI might have placed listening devices at Mar-A-Lago!Quit watching old Mission Impossible reruns you gullible fool.This post will self destruct in 5 seconds.

    Guy gets out of rehab. Comes back the same day and posts the same unproven, conspiracy bs. Cannot imagine having that kind of a mentality. an_light 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2022 - 4:27 PM ET #109

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: Quote Originally Posted by sundance: The very heroic and brave agents of the FBI might have placed listening devices at Mar-A-Lago!Quit watching old Mission Impossible reruns you gullible fool.This post will self destruct in 5 seconds. Guy gets out of rehab. Comes back the same day and posts the same unproven, conspiracy bs. Cannot imagine having that kind of a mentality.

    I am still wondering why I was placed in rehab? Prove to me the very brave and heroic FBI agents did not place listening devices at Mar-A-Lago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: Quote Originally Posted by sundance: The very heroic and brave agents of the FBI might have placed listening devices at Mar-A-Lago!Quit watching old Mission Impossible reruns you gullible fool.This post will self destruct in 5 seconds. Guy gets out of rehab. Comes back the same day and posts the same unproven, conspiracy bs. Cannot imagine having that kind of a mentality.

    I am still wondering why I was placed in rehab? Prove to me the very brave and heroic FBI agents did not place listening devices at Mar-A-Lago.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2022 - 4:49 PM ET #110

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: Quote Originally Posted by sundance: The very heroic and brave agents of the FBI might have placed listening devices at Mar-A-Lago!Quit watching old Mission Impossible reruns you gullible fool.This post will self destruct in 5 seconds. Guy gets out of rehab. Comes back the same day and posts the same unproven, conspiracy bs. Cannot imagine having that kind of a mentality. I am still wondering why I was placed in rehab? Prove to me the very brave and heroic FBI agents did not place listening devices at Mar-A-Lago.
    You have to prove your completely BS ideas have some merit,we don't have to prove they don't,you can tell your a trumper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: Quote Originally Posted by sundance: The very heroic and brave agents of the FBI might have placed listening devices at Mar-A-Lago!Quit watching old Mission Impossible reruns you gullible fool.This post will self destruct in 5 seconds. Guy gets out of rehab. Comes back the same day and posts the same unproven, conspiracy bs. Cannot imagine having that kind of a mentality. I am still wondering why I was placed in rehab? Prove to me the very brave and heroic FBI agents did not place listening devices at Mar-A-Lago.
    You have to prove your completely BS ideas have some merit,we don't have to prove they don't,you can tell your a trumper.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2022 - 5:25 PM ET #111

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyroneshoes:

    @sundance  All the Don has to do is show the warrant that was issued. To show the reason, Instead of making up lies
    He won't show the warrant. He can't fundraise off of facts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyroneshoes:

    @sundance  All the Don has to do is show the warrant that was issued. To show the reason, Instead of making up lies
    He won't show the warrant. He can't fundraise off of facts...

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2022 - 5:29 PM ET #112

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: Quote Originally Posted by sundance: The very heroic and brave agents of the FBI might have placed listening devices at Mar-A-Lago!Quit watching old Mission Impossible reruns you gullible fool.This post will self destruct in 5 seconds. Guy gets out of rehab. Comes back the same day and posts the same unproven, conspiracy bs. Cannot imagine having that kind of a mentality. I am still wondering why I was placed in rehab? Prove to me the very brave and heroic FBI agents did not place listening devices at Mar-A-Lago.You have to prove your completely BS ideas have some merit,we don't have to prove they don't,you can tell your a trumper.

    Can you imagine if that is how life and the legal/criminal justice system worked??? 

    Hey you, prove your are not a murderer or a rapist. an_roll_laugh

    These trumpers are looney tunes. an_light

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: Quote Originally Posted by sundance: The very heroic and brave agents of the FBI might have placed listening devices at Mar-A-Lago!Quit watching old Mission Impossible reruns you gullible fool.This post will self destruct in 5 seconds. Guy gets out of rehab. Comes back the same day and posts the same unproven, conspiracy bs. Cannot imagine having that kind of a mentality. I am still wondering why I was placed in rehab? Prove to me the very brave and heroic FBI agents did not place listening devices at Mar-A-Lago.You have to prove your completely BS ideas have some merit,we don't have to prove they don't,you can tell your a trumper.

    Can you imagine if that is how life and the legal/criminal justice system worked??? 

    Hey you, prove your are not a murderer or a rapist. an_roll_laugh

    These trumpers are looney tunes. an_light

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2022 - 5:30 PM ET #113

    For those complaining that the POS could hold this up by suing to block the release of the warrant, you're missing the point. The point isn't to unseal the warrant. The point is to force the POS to respond. If he sues to block, that UNDERMINES trump's whole grievance.

    The POS painted himself into a corner here. If he sues to block the release, everyone will know DOJ has him by the short hairs. If he doesn’t sue to block the release, everyone will *see* that the DOJ has him by the short hairs.

    He's always thought he was the smartest guy in the room & once again he has been proven wrong.

    Deflect, delay & deny isn't going to work this time!

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    For those complaining that the POS could hold this up by suing to block the release of the warrant, you're missing the point. The point isn't to unseal the warrant. The point is to force the POS to respond. If he sues to block, that UNDERMINES trump's whole grievance.

    The POS painted himself into a corner here. If he sues to block the release, everyone will know DOJ has him by the short hairs. If he doesn’t sue to block the release, everyone will *see* that the DOJ has him by the short hairs.

    He's always thought he was the smartest guy in the room & once again he has been proven wrong.

    Deflect, delay & deny isn't going to work this time!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2022 - 5:36 PM ET #114

    GOP: "We want complete transparency.

    AG Garland: "OK, fine."

    GOP: "Now, wait a minute."

     

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    GOP: "We want complete transparency.

    AG Garland: "OK, fine."

    GOP: "Now, wait a minute."

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2022 - 5:44 PM ET #115

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    For those complaining that the POS could hold this up by suing to block the release of the warrant, you're missing the point. The point isn't to unseal the warrant. The point is to force the POS to respond. If he sues to block, that UNDERMINES trump's whole grievance. The POS painted himself into a corner here. If he sues to block the release, everyone will know DOJ has him by the short hairs. If he doesn’t sue to block the release, everyone will *see* that the DOJ has him by the short hairs. He's always thought he was the smartest guy in the room & once again he has been proven wrong. Deflect, delay & deny isn't going to work this time!

     

    that makes a whole lot of sense ,midnight1  peace_5

     

    which means the chump cult on cable tv , and all social media  wont understand

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    For those complaining that the POS could hold this up by suing to block the release of the warrant, you're missing the point. The point isn't to unseal the warrant. The point is to force the POS to respond. If he sues to block, that UNDERMINES trump's whole grievance. The POS painted himself into a corner here. If he sues to block the release, everyone will know DOJ has him by the short hairs. If he doesn’t sue to block the release, everyone will *see* that the DOJ has him by the short hairs. He's always thought he was the smartest guy in the room & once again he has been proven wrong. Deflect, delay & deny isn't going to work this time!

     

    that makes a whole lot of sense ,midnight1  peace_5

     

    which means the chump cult on cable tv , and all social media  wont understand

     
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    The 'echo' chamber is alive and well inside the politics forum inside Covers!

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    The 'echo' chamber is alive and well inside the politics forum inside Covers!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2022 - 5:54 PM ET #117

    What happened to the following? President Donald Trump is wondering. It is regarding our 1st half white President? The link below is not a mean Trump tweet. I promise!

    Q9eaN8U2EVFl.jpeg (1284×467) (patriots.win)

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    What happened to the following? President Donald Trump is wondering. It is regarding our 1st half white President? The link below is not a mean Trump tweet. I promise!

    Q9eaN8U2EVFl.jpeg (1284×467) (patriots.win)

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: For those complaining that the POS could hold this up by suing to block the release of the warrant, you're missing the point. The point isn't to unseal the warrant. The point is to force the POS to respond. If he sues to block, that UNDERMINES trump's whole grievance. The POS painted himself into a corner here. If he sues to block the release, everyone will know DOJ has him by the short hairs. If he doesn’t sue to block the release, everyone will *see* that the DOJ has him by the short hairs. He's always thought he was the smartest guy in the room & once again he has been proven wrong. Deflect, delay & deny isn't going to work this time!  

     

    that makes a whole lot of sense ,midnight1    which means the chump cult on cable tv , and all social media  wont understand

    And by default that would include in here too

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: For those complaining that the POS could hold this up by suing to block the release of the warrant, you're missing the point. The point isn't to unseal the warrant. The point is to force the POS to respond. If he sues to block, that UNDERMINES trump's whole grievance. The POS painted himself into a corner here. If he sues to block the release, everyone will know DOJ has him by the short hairs. If he doesn’t sue to block the release, everyone will *see* that the DOJ has him by the short hairs. He's always thought he was the smartest guy in the room & once again he has been proven wrong. Deflect, delay & deny isn't going to work this time!  

     

    that makes a whole lot of sense ,midnight1    which means the chump cult on cable tv , and all social media  wont understand

    And by default that would include in here too

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2022 - 5:55 PM ET #119

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    The 'echo' chamber is alive and well inside the politics forum inside Covers!
    That's just the echo chamber in your head,cause there's nothing in there to stop the sound from echoing,it's like a cave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    The 'echo' chamber is alive and well inside the politics forum inside Covers!
    That's just the echo chamber in your head,cause there's nothing in there to stop the sound from echoing,it's like a cave.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2022 - 8:06 PM ET #120

    It was a beautiful raid. A perfect raid. People tell me they've never seen such as perfect raid.

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    It was a beautiful raid. A perfect raid. People tell me they've never seen such as perfect raid.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    It was a beautiful raid. A perfect raid. People tell me they've never seen such as perfect raid.
    I wish I could of seen the traitors face when they told him.F*ckin priceless,eric was probably acting like King Edwards (Longshanks) son in Braveheart,sitting in the corner crying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    It was a beautiful raid. A perfect raid. People tell me they've never seen such as perfect raid.
    I wish I could of seen the traitors face when they told him.F*ckin priceless,eric was probably acting like King Edwards (Longshanks) son in Braveheart,sitting in the corner crying.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2022 - 9:15 PM ET #122

    Braveheart...a classic..

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    Braveheart...a classic..

     
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    Sorry but Donnie will not be indicated. Best opinion I agree with.bigsmile

    Second, from the perspective of criminal investigation, the surprise raid was a highly unusual, aggressive step. In almost all criminal investigations of nonviolent conduct, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Justice would have requested cooperation from the defendant’s lawyers, not surprised the defendant and broken into his safe.

    And third, despite the drama, executing the search warrant is far from a guarantee that any criminal action will be taken. In fact, there is some reason to think that the public raid will take some of the heat off Attorney General Merrick Garland, whom President Joe Biden has been urging to act against Trump — without forcing him into a prosecution decision he has strong reason to avoid.

    Start with history. Other former presidents have been in trouble. But they managed to avoid criminal prosecution, and that includes, it would appear, being made subject to a search warrant.

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    Sorry but Donnie will not be indicated. Best opinion I agree with.bigsmile

    Second, from the perspective of criminal investigation, the surprise raid was a highly unusual, aggressive step. In almost all criminal investigations of nonviolent conduct, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Justice would have requested cooperation from the defendant’s lawyers, not surprised the defendant and broken into his safe.

    And third, despite the drama, executing the search warrant is far from a guarantee that any criminal action will be taken. In fact, there is some reason to think that the public raid will take some of the heat off Attorney General Merrick Garland, whom President Joe Biden has been urging to act against Trump — without forcing him into a prosecution decision he has strong reason to avoid.

    Start with history. Other former presidents have been in trouble. But they managed to avoid criminal prosecution, and that includes, it would appear, being made subject to a search warrant.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2022 - 10:23 PM ET #124

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: Quote Originally Posted by sundance: The very heroic and brave agents of the FBI might have placed listening devices at Mar-A-Lago!Quit watching old Mission Impossible reruns you gullible fool.This post will self destruct in 5 seconds.

    Guy gets out of rehab. Comes back the same day and posts the same unproven, conspiracy bs. Cannot imagine having that kind of a mentality.

    Welp, leopard and spots and all that.

    Besides, the search warrant, which was signed off by a republican judge, was executed by a republican FBI agent and chief, who was specifically chosen by Trump to hold that position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: Quote Originally Posted by sundance: The very heroic and brave agents of the FBI might have placed listening devices at Mar-A-Lago!Quit watching old Mission Impossible reruns you gullible fool.This post will self destruct in 5 seconds.

    Guy gets out of rehab. Comes back the same day and posts the same unproven, conspiracy bs. Cannot imagine having that kind of a mentality.

    Welp, leopard and spots and all that.

    Besides, the search warrant, which was signed off by a republican judge, was executed by a republican FBI agent and chief, who was specifically chosen by Trump to hold that position.

     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 12, 2022 - 6:28 AM ET #125

    President Trump and his family were able to watch the FBI 'raid' on his home at Mar-A-Lago on closed circuit television while in NYC. The very brave and heroic agents of the FBI who descended upon Mar-A-Lago in force requested the security cameras be turned off! Imagine that! Why would they want the cameras turned off? Anyway. The cameras remained on during the 'raid'. Did 45 set up the very brave and very heroic FBI agents for total failure? Only time will tell.

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    President Trump and his family were able to watch the FBI 'raid' on his home at Mar-A-Lago on closed circuit television while in NYC. The very brave and heroic agents of the FBI who descended upon Mar-A-Lago in force requested the security cameras be turned off! Imagine that! Why would they want the cameras turned off? Anyway. The cameras remained on during the 'raid'. Did 45 set up the very brave and very heroic FBI agents for total failure? Only time will tell.

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