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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2021 - 3:32 AM ET #126

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56035306

     

    Canada's inoculation drive began 14 December, and the country has so far given just over 1.39 million doses. It currently stands at 20 in global rankings of doses per 100 people

     

    Just over three out of 100 Canadians have received at least one dose, compared to about 14 in the US and 21 in the UK.

     

    Why is Canada lagging behind?

    Canada was criticised at the end of last year for buying up multiple times the supply it needs to cover its population.

    It has signed deals with seven vaccine suppliers - Moderna and Pfizer, as well as ones with pending authorisation like AstraZeneca and Johnson and Johnson - for a total of over 400 million doses.

    But it seems it wasn't positioned for priority delivery of the two authorised jabs.

     

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    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56035306

     

    Canada's inoculation drive began 14 December, and the country has so far given just over 1.39 million doses. It currently stands at 20 in global rankings of doses per 100 people

     

    Just over three out of 100 Canadians have received at least one dose, compared to about 14 in the US and 21 in the UK.

     

    Why is Canada lagging behind?

    Canada was criticised at the end of last year for buying up multiple times the supply it needs to cover its population.

    It has signed deals with seven vaccine suppliers - Moderna and Pfizer, as well as ones with pending authorisation like AstraZeneca and Johnson and Johnson - for a total of over 400 million doses.

    But it seems it wasn't positioned for priority delivery of the two authorised jabs.

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2021 - 3:33 AM ET #127

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/04/canada-vaccine-rollout-problems/618516/

     

    Canada’s Vaccine Mess

    Canada has universal health care and millions of doses on order. So why are so few of its citizens vaccinated?

     

    By the time you read this, at least a quarter of Americans will have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. It’s a stunning turnaround for a country where a bungled early response, inadequate financial support to keep people home, and a mishmash of mask requirements have led to more than 30 million infections and more than 554,000 deaths.

    Just north of the border, Canadians—usually so smug about our universal health care—are looking on with jealousy. “Here, vaccine envy has turned into a national psychosis, another reason to beat ourselves up for some fatal national flaw,” wrote Alan Freeman, a journalist turned public servant and academic on iPolitics, a Canadian news website. In The Globe and Mail, the columnist Ian Brown retellsan encounter with a vaccinated person: “I immediately wanted revenge. Nothing serious: steal his car, maybe, or his wallet.”

     

    Canadians have been overwhelmingly compliant with public-health directives, wearing masks, limiting social interactions, washing and sanitizing our hands ’til our fingertips prune. And what do we get? Per capita vaccination numbers lagging behind those of 50 other countries, including Brazil, Chile, Turkey, and much of Europe, according to Johns Hopkins University’s immunization tracker. The country currently has a level-four travel advisory: “Travelers should avoid all travel to Canada,” warns the CDC. In March, the Department of Homeland Security announced that the U.S.-Canada border—closed for nearly a year, since American COVID-19 infection rates began escalating out of control—would remain closed for at least another month.

    “I think we have nothing to be proud of on this, that’s for sure,” André Picard, a health expert in Canada and a longtime columnist for The Globe and Mail, told me.

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    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/04/canada-vaccine-rollout-problems/618516/

     

    Canada’s Vaccine Mess

    Canada has universal health care and millions of doses on order. So why are so few of its citizens vaccinated?

     

    By the time you read this, at least a quarter of Americans will have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. It’s a stunning turnaround for a country where a bungled early response, inadequate financial support to keep people home, and a mishmash of mask requirements have led to more than 30 million infections and more than 554,000 deaths.

    Just north of the border, Canadians—usually so smug about our universal health care—are looking on with jealousy. “Here, vaccine envy has turned into a national psychosis, another reason to beat ourselves up for some fatal national flaw,” wrote Alan Freeman, a journalist turned public servant and academic on iPolitics, a Canadian news website. In The Globe and Mail, the columnist Ian Brown retellsan encounter with a vaccinated person: “I immediately wanted revenge. Nothing serious: steal his car, maybe, or his wallet.”

     

    Canadians have been overwhelmingly compliant with public-health directives, wearing masks, limiting social interactions, washing and sanitizing our hands ’til our fingertips prune. And what do we get? Per capita vaccination numbers lagging behind those of 50 other countries, including Brazil, Chile, Turkey, and much of Europe, according to Johns Hopkins University’s immunization tracker. The country currently has a level-four travel advisory: “Travelers should avoid all travel to Canada,” warns the CDC. In March, the Department of Homeland Security announced that the U.S.-Canada border—closed for nearly a year, since American COVID-19 infection rates began escalating out of control—would remain closed for at least another month.

    “I think we have nothing to be proud of on this, that’s for sure,” André Picard, a health expert in Canada and a longtime columnist for The Globe and Mail, told me.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2021 - 3:33 AM ET #128

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/04/canada-vaccine-rollout-problems/618516/

     

    Canada’s Vaccine Mess

    Canada has universal health care and millions of doses on order. So why are so few of its citizens vaccinated?

     

    By the time you read this, at least a quarter of Americans will have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. It’s a stunning turnaround for a country where a bungled early response, inadequate financial support to keep people home, and a mishmash of mask requirements have led to more than 30 million infections and more than 554,000 deaths.

    Just north of the border, Canadians—usually so smug about our universal health care—are looking on with jealousy. “Here, vaccine envy has turned into a national psychosis, another reason to beat ourselves up for some fatal national flaw,” wrote Alan Freeman, a journalist turned public servant and academic on iPolitics, a Canadian news website. In The Globe and Mail, the columnist Ian Brown retellsan encounter with a vaccinated person: “I immediately wanted revenge. Nothing serious: steal his car, maybe, or his wallet.”

     

    Canadians have been overwhelmingly compliant with public-health directives, wearing masks, limiting social interactions, washing and sanitizing our hands ’til our fingertips prune. And what do we get? Per capita vaccination numbers lagging behind those of 50 other countries, including Brazil, Chile, Turkey, and much of Europe, according to Johns Hopkins University’s immunization tracker. The country currently has a level-four travel advisory: “Travelers should avoid all travel to Canada,” warns the CDC. In March, the Department of Homeland Security announced that the U.S.-Canada border—closed for nearly a year, since American COVID-19 infection rates began escalating out of control—would remain closed for at least another month.

    “I think we have nothing to be proud of on this, that’s for sure,” André Picard, a health expert in Canada and a longtime columnist for The Globe and Mail, told me.

    Reply

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/04/canada-vaccine-rollout-problems/618516/

     

    Canada’s Vaccine Mess

    Canada has universal health care and millions of doses on order. So why are so few of its citizens vaccinated?

     

    By the time you read this, at least a quarter of Americans will have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. It’s a stunning turnaround for a country where a bungled early response, inadequate financial support to keep people home, and a mishmash of mask requirements have led to more than 30 million infections and more than 554,000 deaths.

    Just north of the border, Canadians—usually so smug about our universal health care—are looking on with jealousy. “Here, vaccine envy has turned into a national psychosis, another reason to beat ourselves up for some fatal national flaw,” wrote Alan Freeman, a journalist turned public servant and academic on iPolitics, a Canadian news website. In The Globe and Mail, the columnist Ian Brown retellsan encounter with a vaccinated person: “I immediately wanted revenge. Nothing serious: steal his car, maybe, or his wallet.”

     

    Canadians have been overwhelmingly compliant with public-health directives, wearing masks, limiting social interactions, washing and sanitizing our hands ’til our fingertips prune. And what do we get? Per capita vaccination numbers lagging behind those of 50 other countries, including Brazil, Chile, Turkey, and much of Europe, according to Johns Hopkins University’s immunization tracker. The country currently has a level-four travel advisory: “Travelers should avoid all travel to Canada,” warns the CDC. In March, the Department of Homeland Security announced that the U.S.-Canada border—closed for nearly a year, since American COVID-19 infection rates began escalating out of control—would remain closed for at least another month.

    “I think we have nothing to be proud of on this, that’s for sure,” André Picard, a health expert in Canada and a longtime columnist for The Globe and Mail, told me.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2021 - 3:34 AM ET #129

    Mixing coronavirus vaccine brands is OK, Canada says

     

    The Public Health Agency of Canada said people who received an AstraZeneca vaccine for the first dose may get either a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine for the second dose. People who received one of the two mRNA vaccines-- Pfizer's or Moderna's -- may get either of the two brands for the second dose.

     

    After a slow start, Canada has been vaccinating nearly 1% of its population each day, on average, for the past few weeks.

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    Mixing coronavirus vaccine brands is OK, Canada says

     

    The Public Health Agency of Canada said people who received an AstraZeneca vaccine for the first dose may get either a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine for the second dose. People who received one of the two mRNA vaccines-- Pfizer's or Moderna's -- may get either of the two brands for the second dose.

     

    After a slow start, Canada has been vaccinating nearly 1% of its population each day, on average, for the past few weeks.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2021 - 3:35 AM ET #130

    Ontario Asks Biden for a Million Vaccines Amid Shortage

    The leader of Canada’s most populous province is asking U.S. President-elect Joe Biden to share a million doses of COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer’s Michigan plant.

    TORONTO (AP) — Canada won’t be getting any Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccines next week and 50% fewer than expected over the next month, officials said Tuesday, prompting the leader of Canada’s most populous province to ask U.S. President-elect Joe Biden to share a million doses from Pfizer’s Michigan plant.

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    Ontario Asks Biden for a Million Vaccines Amid Shortage

    The leader of Canada’s most populous province is asking U.S. President-elect Joe Biden to share a million doses of COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer’s Michigan plant.

    TORONTO (AP) — Canada won’t be getting any Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccines next week and 50% fewer than expected over the next month, officials said Tuesday, prompting the leader of Canada’s most populous province to ask U.S. President-elect Joe Biden to share a million doses from Pfizer’s Michigan plant.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2021 - 3:35 AM ET #131

    3 Explanations for the Vaccine Slowdown

    Daily shots are plummeting. Why?

     

    For a few weeks this spring, the United States was a world leader in vaccines, administering shots to a larger share of its population than even the United Kingdom or Israel. But since the middle of April, our vaccine campaign has stalled. The average number of people getting a first or single dose is down almost 50 percent from its peak on April 13.

     

    What’s notable about that date? Well, it just happens to be the same day that the CDC and the FDA recommendeda pause in the use of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

     

    2. Blame the wall of vaccine hesitancy

    “The impact of the pause on vax demand was: BUBKES,” according toDavid Lazer, a professor at Northeastern University and a principal investigator at the COVID States Project, a research group. Given the high and steady level of vaccine hesitancy, he said, daily shots were always going to peak in April, with or without an FDA pause.

     

    3. A synthesis view: Vaccination rates were likely destined to slow down in May, but the Johnson & Johnson pause wiped out a great chance at converting the remaining vaccine skeptics.

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    3 Explanations for the Vaccine Slowdown

    Daily shots are plummeting. Why?

     

    For a few weeks this spring, the United States was a world leader in vaccines, administering shots to a larger share of its population than even the United Kingdom or Israel. But since the middle of April, our vaccine campaign has stalled. The average number of people getting a first or single dose is down almost 50 percent from its peak on April 13.

     

    What’s notable about that date? Well, it just happens to be the same day that the CDC and the FDA recommendeda pause in the use of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

     

    2. Blame the wall of vaccine hesitancy

    “The impact of the pause on vax demand was: BUBKES,” according toDavid Lazer, a professor at Northeastern University and a principal investigator at the COVID States Project, a research group. Given the high and steady level of vaccine hesitancy, he said, daily shots were always going to peak in April, with or without an FDA pause.

     

    3. A synthesis view: Vaccination rates were likely destined to slow down in May, but the Johnson & Johnson pause wiped out a great chance at converting the remaining vaccine skeptics.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2021 - 3:40 AM ET #132

    So, while my brother-in-law is Canadian and I know a lot of Canadians, I can tell you first-hand they were not a leader by any means in vaccinations.  

    They were behind the USA and the UK and Israel and other developing countries.  

    These articles go into it in some depth and explain some of the reasons behind their struggle. 

    Granted they are more receptive to the lockdown measures and more receptive to getting a vaccine.  So, once they got it going, they finally got a big surge.  But by then other countries had leveled off due to many factors.  A large part of it is that the willing had already gotten their doses by the time Canada had even got going good with their program.  

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    So, while my brother-in-law is Canadian and I know a lot of Canadians, I can tell you first-hand they were not a leader by any means in vaccinations.  

    They were behind the USA and the UK and Israel and other developing countries.  

    These articles go into it in some depth and explain some of the reasons behind their struggle. 

    Granted they are more receptive to the lockdown measures and more receptive to getting a vaccine.  So, once they got it going, they finally got a big surge.  But by then other countries had leveled off due to many factors.  A large part of it is that the willing had already gotten their doses by the time Canada had even got going good with their program.  

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2021 - 3:42 AM ET #133

    I like Canada and it is a great country.  But this portion of the thread was seriously flawed while trying to compare the USA and Canada. 

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    I like Canada and it is a great country.  But this portion of the thread was seriously flawed while trying to compare the USA and Canada. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2021 - 10:21 AM ET #134

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    I know a lot of Canadians, I can tell you first-hand they were not a leader by any means in vaccinations.   They were behind the USA and the UK and Israel and other developing countries.  

    Current update after slow start.  Now Canada is world leader in vaccinating largest share of population with at least one dose of vaccine.  Over 77% of all Canadians which is ahead of UK and Israel.   Canada should be proud about being among the safest countries during pandemic.  According to Worldometer,  Canada has over 1.4 million covid cases and over 26,000 covid deaths.  In comparison, US has over 34 million covid cases and over 620,000 covid deaths.  US has roughly 10 times more people than Canada. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    I know a lot of Canadians, I can tell you first-hand they were not a leader by any means in vaccinations.   They were behind the USA and the UK and Israel and other developing countries.  

    Current update after slow start.  Now Canada is world leader in vaccinating largest share of population with at least one dose of vaccine.  Over 77% of all Canadians which is ahead of UK and Israel.   Canada should be proud about being among the safest countries during pandemic.  According to Worldometer,  Canada has over 1.4 million covid cases and over 26,000 covid deaths.  In comparison, US has over 34 million covid cases and over 620,000 covid deaths.  US has roughly 10 times more people than Canada. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2021 - 10:36 AM ET #135

    By your numbers Canada 26000/1.4 million averages .0185 deaths

                               USA 620,000/34 million   averages .0182 deaths

    with 10 times more people

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    By your numbers Canada 26000/1.4 million averages .0185 deaths

                               USA 620,000/34 million   averages .0182 deaths

    with 10 times more people

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

     

    Current update after slow start. 

    Now Canada is world leader in vaccinating largest share of population with at least one dose of vaccine. 

    Over 77% of all Canadians which is ahead of UK and Israel.  

    Canada should be proud about being among the safest countries during pandemic. 

    The Canadians do it well.

    Biden is doing his best after taking over a snail-pace delivery system from trump admin.

    But of course full vaccination and US herd immunity is being thwarted by millions of trump-toilet-worshippers who refuse vaccination *AND* continue to spread covid-19 and the new variants rampantly.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

     

    Current update after slow start. 

    Now Canada is world leader in vaccinating largest share of population with at least one dose of vaccine. 

    Over 77% of all Canadians which is ahead of UK and Israel.  

    Canada should be proud about being among the safest countries during pandemic. 

    The Canadians do it well.

    Biden is doing his best after taking over a snail-pace delivery system from trump admin.

    But of course full vaccination and US herd immunity is being thwarted by millions of trump-toilet-worshippers who refuse vaccination *AND* continue to spread covid-19 and the new variants rampantly.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorkel:

    By your numbers Canada 26000/1.4 million averages .0185 deaths                            USA 620,000/34 million   averages .0182 deaths with 10 times more people

    Close rate of deaths per cases suggest similarities between US and Canada.    Perhaps, quality of healthcare?  A better way is to compare Statista covid deaths per capita (million) which is 1831 for US and 696 for Canada.  Oddly, US and Canada have higher covid death rates than countries with inferior healthcare.  When more people live longer by surviving other diseases, they are at greater risk of dying from coronavirus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorkel:

    By your numbers Canada 26000/1.4 million averages .0185 deaths                            USA 620,000/34 million   averages .0182 deaths with 10 times more people

    Close rate of deaths per cases suggest similarities between US and Canada.    Perhaps, quality of healthcare?  A better way is to compare Statista covid deaths per capita (million) which is 1831 for US and 696 for Canada.  Oddly, US and Canada have higher covid death rates than countries with inferior healthcare.  When more people live longer by surviving other diseases, they are at greater risk of dying from coronavirus.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by Snorkel: By your numbers Canada 26000/1.4 million averages .0185 deaths                            USA 620,000/34 million   averages .0182 deaths with 10 times more people Close rate of deaths per cases suggest similarities between US and Canada.    Perhaps, quality of healthcare?  A better way is to compare Statista covid deaths per capita (million) which is 1831 for US and 696 for Canada.  Oddly, US and Canada have higher covid death rates than countries with inferior healthcare.  When more people live longer by surviving other diseases, they are at greater risk of dying from coronavirus.

     

    What countries are incentivized to mark cases covid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by Snorkel: By your numbers Canada 26000/1.4 million averages .0185 deaths                            USA 620,000/34 million   averages .0182 deaths with 10 times more people Close rate of deaths per cases suggest similarities between US and Canada.    Perhaps, quality of healthcare?  A better way is to compare Statista covid deaths per capita (million) which is 1831 for US and 696 for Canada.  Oddly, US and Canada have higher covid death rates than countries with inferior healthcare.  When more people live longer by surviving other diseases, they are at greater risk of dying from coronavirus.

     

    What countries are incentivized to mark cases covid?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by Snorkel: By your numbers Canada 26000/1.4 million averages .0185 deaths                            USA 620,000/34 million   averages .0182 deaths with 10 times more people Close rate of deaths per cases suggest similarities between US and Canada.    Perhaps, quality of healthcare?  A better way is to compare Statista covid deaths per capita (million) which is 1831 for US and 696 for Canada.  Oddly, US and Canada have higher covid death rates than countries with inferior healthcare.  When more people live longer by surviving other diseases, they are at greater risk of dying from coronavirus.

    Yes, its called OBESITY.... those inferior healthcare countries do not have the epidemic of obesity.  

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by Snorkel: By your numbers Canada 26000/1.4 million averages .0185 deaths                            USA 620,000/34 million   averages .0182 deaths with 10 times more people Close rate of deaths per cases suggest similarities between US and Canada.    Perhaps, quality of healthcare?  A better way is to compare Statista covid deaths per capita (million) which is 1831 for US and 696 for Canada.  Oddly, US and Canada have higher covid death rates than countries with inferior healthcare.  When more people live longer by surviving other diseases, they are at greater risk of dying from coronavirus.

    Yes, its called OBESITY.... those inferior healthcare countries do not have the epidemic of obesity.  

     
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    The greatest country on the planet did the following. A large mob of 'peaceful' protestors in Winnipeg tear down  statues of Queen Elizabeth and Queen Victoria. What do the powers that be do? They arrest the 1, brave and courageous person who tried to stop the mob of 'peaceful' protestors. This is the kind of justice KellyM dreams about on a nightly basis. The well written article is inside the link below.

    Crowd Topples Statues in Canada, Police Arrest Man Who Opposed Them (infowars.com)

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    The greatest country on the planet did the following. A large mob of 'peaceful' protestors in Winnipeg tear down  statues of Queen Elizabeth and Queen Victoria. What do the powers that be do? They arrest the 1, brave and courageous person who tried to stop the mob of 'peaceful' protestors. This is the kind of justice KellyM dreams about on a nightly basis. The well written article is inside the link below.

    Crowd Topples Statues in Canada, Police Arrest Man Who Opposed Them (infowars.com)

     
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    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/international

    Fully vaccinated by country:

    Canada 31.11%

    Chile 55.57%

    France 31.43%

    Iceland 59%

    Israel 57.13%

    Netherlands 34.69%

    Portugal 34.89%

    Spain 38.21%

    USA 47.6%

    UK 49.44%

    Uruguay 49.3%

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    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/international

    Fully vaccinated by country:

    Canada 31.11%

    Chile 55.57%

    France 31.43%

    Iceland 59%

    Israel 57.13%

    Netherlands 34.69%

    Portugal 34.89%

    Spain 38.21%

    USA 47.6%

    UK 49.44%

    Uruguay 49.3%

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2021 - 5:41 PM ET #142

    https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2021/04/02/faster-covid-19-vaccination-rollout-in-us-is-prompting-jab-jealousy-in-canada.html

    Faster COVID-19 vaccination rollout in U.S. is prompting jab jealousy in Canada

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/04/04/live-covid-news-canadians-envious-us-vaccination-program/7079932002/

    US vaccine rollout envied in Canada; Britain plans return to concerts, sports events: Live COVID-19 updates

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/canada-us-covid-vaccine-comparison_ca_603fde35c5b601179ec23720

    The U.S. Is Beating Canada In The COVID-19 Vaccine Race And Canadians Are Jealous

    https://globalnews.ca/news/7917898/us-covid-vaccine-plan-canada/

    U.S. unveils COVID-19 vaccine sharing plan, Canada is a priority

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    https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2021/04/02/faster-covid-19-vaccination-rollout-in-us-is-prompting-jab-jealousy-in-canada.html

    Faster COVID-19 vaccination rollout in U.S. is prompting jab jealousy in Canada

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/04/04/live-covid-news-canadians-envious-us-vaccination-program/7079932002/

    US vaccine rollout envied in Canada; Britain plans return to concerts, sports events: Live COVID-19 updates

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/canada-us-covid-vaccine-comparison_ca_603fde35c5b601179ec23720

    The U.S. Is Beating Canada In The COVID-19 Vaccine Race And Canadians Are Jealous

    https://globalnews.ca/news/7917898/us-covid-vaccine-plan-canada/

    U.S. unveils COVID-19 vaccine sharing plan, Canada is a priority

     
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    So, just to emphasize, again, Canada lagged the USA badly to get their program going.  Canada still lags the USA in fully vaccinated people.  Canada is having to ask USA for vaccines.  

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    So, just to emphasize, again, Canada lagged the USA badly to get their program going.  Canada still lags the USA in fully vaccinated people.  Canada is having to ask USA for vaccines.  

     
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    It makes one proud of the USA and thankful the Trump administration was able to rush the vaccine program into place so rapidly that we are now able to help Canada out — as well as other needy countries.  

    I just don’t have the confidence that the Biden administration could have put the USA in such a great place.  

    You can argue all you want that Trump downplayed the Wuhan Flu at the beginning.  But very nice that in the background he was putting us in such a great position.  

    So, instead of seizing this as a chance to talk badly about the country and the person in office you disagree with at the time — try giving credit where it is due.  

    USA started better than Canada and Trump did better than Trudeau by any measure with getting the vaccines started. 

    Canada has long known they would have issues in the future with vaccines for various reasons, including the lack of producing them at home — even with their ‘great’ healthcare system.  

    Maybe Canada has learned from this.  Maybe they can take notes from the ‘non-universal’ system in the USA.  

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    It makes one proud of the USA and thankful the Trump administration was able to rush the vaccine program into place so rapidly that we are now able to help Canada out — as well as other needy countries.  

    I just don’t have the confidence that the Biden administration could have put the USA in such a great place.  

    You can argue all you want that Trump downplayed the Wuhan Flu at the beginning.  But very nice that in the background he was putting us in such a great position.  

    So, instead of seizing this as a chance to talk badly about the country and the person in office you disagree with at the time — try giving credit where it is due.  

    USA started better than Canada and Trump did better than Trudeau by any measure with getting the vaccines started. 

    Canada has long known they would have issues in the future with vaccines for various reasons, including the lack of producing them at home — even with their ‘great’ healthcare system.  

    Maybe Canada has learned from this.  Maybe they can take notes from the ‘non-universal’ system in the USA.  

     
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     So what exactly did the Trump administration do to rush the vaccines to market? And i'm not a Trump basher. I just feel we give politicians much to much credit for the work of many in the private sector. So i'm curious what exactly we're giving credit for. Besides pledging tax payer dollars, of course.

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     So what exactly did the Trump administration do to rush the vaccines to market? And i'm not a Trump basher. I just feel we give politicians much to much credit for the work of many in the private sector. So i'm curious what exactly we're giving credit for. Besides pledging tax payer dollars, of course.

     
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     Not really even a Trump guy. Of course we give them too much credit.  

    My point is the opposite to these types of guys — we give them too much blame as well.  

    It just so happened that was the administration that was in office when it got started. 

    Just as a CEO, that basically did nothing, gets credit or blame as stock goes up or down.  It may have been another CEO that put policies in place and the next one gets credit or blame because they were in office when the lagging effect kicked in.  

    Cannot simply blame Trump’s efforts while on the other hand attempting to give Trudeau’s lack of effort credit. 

    AND it is duplicitous to try to give credit to Canada (their effort was ridiculously pathetic) and put down the USA (that now has most folks that want it already vaccinated).  That is lazy at best and incompetent at worst.  

    I can make a great case for Canada as a country to live in and visit — but vaccinations would NOT be one of them.  

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     Not really even a Trump guy. Of course we give them too much credit.  

    My point is the opposite to these types of guys — we give them too much blame as well.  

    It just so happened that was the administration that was in office when it got started. 

    Just as a CEO, that basically did nothing, gets credit or blame as stock goes up or down.  It may have been another CEO that put policies in place and the next one gets credit or blame because they were in office when the lagging effect kicked in.  

    Cannot simply blame Trump’s efforts while on the other hand attempting to give Trudeau’s lack of effort credit. 

    AND it is duplicitous to try to give credit to Canada (their effort was ridiculously pathetic) and put down the USA (that now has most folks that want it already vaccinated).  That is lazy at best and incompetent at worst.  

    I can make a great case for Canada as a country to live in and visit — but vaccinations would NOT be one of them.  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Close rate of deaths per cases suggest similarities between US and Canada. Perhaps, quality of healthcare?

    A better way is to compare Statista covid deaths per capita (million) which is 1831 for US and 696 for Canada.

     

    Absolutely!

    Although I am not certain that when the US NEWS report ranked Canada 5 positions higher up the ladder than the US that they were taking into account trump's disaterous death numbers in comparison.

     

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Close rate of deaths per cases suggest similarities between US and Canada. Perhaps, quality of healthcare?

    A better way is to compare Statista covid deaths per capita (million) which is 1831 for US and 696 for Canada.

     

    Absolutely!

    Although I am not certain that when the US NEWS report ranked Canada 5 positions higher up the ladder than the US that they were taking into account trump's disaterous death numbers in comparison.

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

      Cannot simply blame Trump’s efforts while on the other hand attempting to give Trudeau’s lack of effort credit.  AND it is duplicitous to try to give credit to Canada (their effort was ridiculously pathetic) and put down the USA .

    Polls show low approval of Trump and high approval for Trudeau in handling of pandemic.  Trudeau has been re-elected while Trump lost the presidency.  Overall, Canada has lower covid cases and deaths per capita than the US.  US still has the most covid cases and deaths of any country in the world.  This shows vaccination isn't everything and public health restrictions are important too. 

    During early 2021, both US and Canada struggled in starting vaccination.  Now polls show majority of people are satisfied with pace of vaccination.  Currently, Canada has highest percentage of population that received at least one dose of vaccine of any country.  In the long term, Canada appears more likely to reach herd immunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

      Cannot simply blame Trump’s efforts while on the other hand attempting to give Trudeau’s lack of effort credit.  AND it is duplicitous to try to give credit to Canada (their effort was ridiculously pathetic) and put down the USA .

    Polls show low approval of Trump and high approval for Trudeau in handling of pandemic.  Trudeau has been re-elected while Trump lost the presidency.  Overall, Canada has lower covid cases and deaths per capita than the US.  US still has the most covid cases and deaths of any country in the world.  This shows vaccination isn't everything and public health restrictions are important too. 

    During early 2021, both US and Canada struggled in starting vaccination.  Now polls show majority of people are satisfied with pace of vaccination.  Currently, Canada has highest percentage of population that received at least one dose of vaccine of any country.  In the long term, Canada appears more likely to reach herd immunity.

     
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    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/02/02/here-are-the-countries-that-are-leading-in-vaccinating-their-citizens-against-covid-19/?sh=474cf61b3b06

    This is from Feb 2.  Biden was barely in office.  Trump had just left office.  So, obviously, Trump was the one who should get the credit for getting the USA out to such a great start.

    If anything, Biden just maintained it.  You could argue he let the USA slip after the great start Trump have him on vaccinating.

     

    The United States is leading the world in total vaccine doses administered with 32.2 million as of Feb. 1, according to the University of Oxford’s Our World in Dataproject, followed by China (24 million), the United Kingdom (9.79 million), Israel (4.99 million) and India (3.95 million).

    The European Union’s vaccination rate is far behind the U.S. and U.K. at only 2.86 doses per 100 people, as the continent faces vaccine production issuesand other shortages:

    Though China has the second highest number of administered doses, the country has only administered 1.67 doses per 100 people, and other heavily populated countries are also far behind the U.S.’s pace:

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    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/02/02/here-are-the-countries-that-are-leading-in-vaccinating-their-citizens-against-covid-19/?sh=474cf61b3b06

    This is from Feb 2.  Biden was barely in office.  Trump had just left office.  So, obviously, Trump was the one who should get the credit for getting the USA out to such a great start.

    If anything, Biden just maintained it.  You could argue he let the USA slip after the great start Trump have him on vaccinating.

     

    The United States is leading the world in total vaccine doses administered with 32.2 million as of Feb. 1, according to the University of Oxford’s Our World in Dataproject, followed by China (24 million), the United Kingdom (9.79 million), Israel (4.99 million) and India (3.95 million).

    The European Union’s vaccination rate is far behind the U.S. and U.K. at only 2.86 doses per 100 people, as the continent faces vaccine production issuesand other shortages:

    Though China has the second highest number of administered doses, the country has only administered 1.67 doses per 100 people, and other heavily populated countries are also far behind the U.S.’s pace:

     
     
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    To say polls show Trump did poorly and Trudeau did well is useless.

    Do you really trust the average person to have researched something on their own before answering a poll?  Or do you think they just go by what they hear on TV or from friends?

    You can say you didn’t like Trump and don’t like the USA all you want.  But you cannot say that Trudeau and Canada did better starting out with their vaccinations.

    To keep repeating that displays either ignorance on the issue or complete bias — or, most likely, both.

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    To say polls show Trump did poorly and Trudeau did well is useless.

    Do you really trust the average person to have researched something on their own before answering a poll?  Or do you think they just go by what they hear on TV or from friends?

    You can say you didn’t like Trump and don’t like the USA all you want.  But you cannot say that Trudeau and Canada did better starting out with their vaccinations.

    To keep repeating that displays either ignorance on the issue or complete bias — or, most likely, both.

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