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    Zeus4par
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2024 - 1:57 PM ET #51

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @unplucked_gem I have no sympathy for Trump, the actions he took had consequences and the jury found him guilty. Trump never takes responsibility for his actions. At the trial Trump thinks he is above respect and consideration in how he spoke towards the judge and his staff, over and over. Trump needs to give respect and consideration to others, if you notice that most of his issues in life legally are for not giving respect and consideration to others. Trump has one agenda and it is to do whatever he wants to forward his ambitions without consideration and respect for others.  You Trump fans need to seek out higher value, higher character individuals to support and revere. Trump is scraping the lowest gene pool in the barrel and he is causing serious divide in society and we can demand much much better.

    @wallstreetcappers

    an_clap 100% agreement. Your final point is held by a plurality of Americans.  He was rated multiple times to be the worst president post WWII U for factual reasons and that includes by republican presidential experts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @unplucked_gem I have no sympathy for Trump, the actions he took had consequences and the jury found him guilty. Trump never takes responsibility for his actions. At the trial Trump thinks he is above respect and consideration in how he spoke towards the judge and his staff, over and over. Trump needs to give respect and consideration to others, if you notice that most of his issues in life legally are for not giving respect and consideration to others. Trump has one agenda and it is to do whatever he wants to forward his ambitions without consideration and respect for others.  You Trump fans need to seek out higher value, higher character individuals to support and revere. Trump is scraping the lowest gene pool in the barrel and he is causing serious divide in society and we can demand much much better.

    @wallstreetcappers

    an_clap 100% agreement. Your final point is held by a plurality of Americans.  He was rated multiple times to be the worst president post WWII U for factual reasons and that includes by republican presidential experts!

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2024 - 1:58 PM ET #52

    @UNIMAN

     You asked a loaded question, congress is not bi-partisan and it takes a large percentage to do what you are casually suggesting. Suggesting that blanket immunity is offset from congress is absurd it does not rationalize the concept of authoritarianism AND it introduces a pandoras box because how can you know what decisions are being made for the public and what are being made in a partisan authoritarian way?

    You know that this path we have seen in the past, I wont give names but we have seen the evolution of powers from one form to another where the leader usurps control and the checks and balances are eroded...it does not go well. The dissenting justice is SPOT on with her analysis, you can call her a lib or a dem or whatever, her comments are nails on point.

    Not every discussion needs to  revert back to Biden, I am not talking about Biden as the topic originated from a different quasi politician so that is the point of discussion. That said Biden deserves the same treatment and rules and restrictions that ANY president should and as citizens we should support checks and balances, we should support non-partisan protection of rights for all not just those that agree with our personal political perspectives.

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    @UNIMAN

     You asked a loaded question, congress is not bi-partisan and it takes a large percentage to do what you are casually suggesting. Suggesting that blanket immunity is offset from congress is absurd it does not rationalize the concept of authoritarianism AND it introduces a pandoras box because how can you know what decisions are being made for the public and what are being made in a partisan authoritarian way?

    You know that this path we have seen in the past, I wont give names but we have seen the evolution of powers from one form to another where the leader usurps control and the checks and balances are eroded...it does not go well. The dissenting justice is SPOT on with her analysis, you can call her a lib or a dem or whatever, her comments are nails on point.

    Not every discussion needs to  revert back to Biden, I am not talking about Biden as the topic originated from a different quasi politician so that is the point of discussion. That said Biden deserves the same treatment and rules and restrictions that ANY president should and as citizens we should support checks and balances, we should support non-partisan protection of rights for all not just those that agree with our personal political perspectives.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2024 - 3:14 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    It's not a baited question at all. Congress is charge of the President and can remove him/her for presidential and even private actions. My pointing out Biden and what he could stand trial for are examples. We cannot go down this road if this country expects to survive.  MSN; An obscure New York state election law that has rarely been prosecuted over five decades has been dusted off by Manhattan prosecutors and elevated to a prominent role in Donald Trump’s criminal trial over allegedly falsifying documents related to a hush money payment during the 2016 election campaign. The underlying crime that motivated Trump’s alleged misconduct, prosecutors said in court, was a conspiracy to defraud voters in his presidential campaign. Now, saying in a presidential debate that "50 former intellegence officers say the laptop is Russian disinformation" is NOT DEFRAUDING VOTERS??? ALL THE MEDIA AND INTERNET BANNING THAT IMFORMATION???? Your hypocrites of the highest degree.
    That hits the point pretty well......anything the dems do is "Constitutional" in their eyes.......anything or anyone that isn't in line with them is cause for hissy fits, lawsuits, & impeachments. What's fascinating is that they aren't aware enough to see their own hypocrisy & lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    It's not a baited question at all. Congress is charge of the President and can remove him/her for presidential and even private actions. My pointing out Biden and what he could stand trial for are examples. We cannot go down this road if this country expects to survive.  MSN; An obscure New York state election law that has rarely been prosecuted over five decades has been dusted off by Manhattan prosecutors and elevated to a prominent role in Donald Trump’s criminal trial over allegedly falsifying documents related to a hush money payment during the 2016 election campaign. The underlying crime that motivated Trump’s alleged misconduct, prosecutors said in court, was a conspiracy to defraud voters in his presidential campaign. Now, saying in a presidential debate that "50 former intellegence officers say the laptop is Russian disinformation" is NOT DEFRAUDING VOTERS??? ALL THE MEDIA AND INTERNET BANNING THAT IMFORMATION???? Your hypocrites of the highest degree.
    That hits the point pretty well......anything the dems do is "Constitutional" in their eyes.......anything or anyone that isn't in line with them is cause for hissy fits, lawsuits, & impeachments. What's fascinating is that they aren't aware enough to see their own hypocrisy & lies.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2024 - 3:40 PM ET #54

    @THEMUGG

     You are just a partisan magnet lately huh?

    Toss aside your dem vs repub diatribe and get down to the actual issues. Explain your perspective on the issue we are discussing not that you love Trump and the RNC and that democrats this that the other, your post above had really zero discussion value it is just you again reaffirming that you are a repub, well we know that already so why not try discussing social impacts, points of importance and what YOUR position is on actual subjects and how you rationalize your perspective ONTO society.

    Are you able to discuss subjects, content and depth or are you just here to back slap the RNC posts and put down the DNC ones?

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    @THEMUGG

     You are just a partisan magnet lately huh?

    Toss aside your dem vs repub diatribe and get down to the actual issues. Explain your perspective on the issue we are discussing not that you love Trump and the RNC and that democrats this that the other, your post above had really zero discussion value it is just you again reaffirming that you are a repub, well we know that already so why not try discussing social impacts, points of importance and what YOUR position is on actual subjects and how you rationalize your perspective ONTO society.

    Are you able to discuss subjects, content and depth or are you just here to back slap the RNC posts and put down the DNC ones?

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2024 - 4:22 PM ET #55

    Before 2020 election... bi dumb and Harris on covid vaccine... its from trump not getting it... first thing their dumb administration does... mandate getting vaccine..or lose your jobs.. funny just couple months prior complete opposite.. then administration calls it the pandemic of the unvaccinated.  

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    Before 2020 election... bi dumb and Harris on covid vaccine... its from trump not getting it... first thing their dumb administration does... mandate getting vaccine..or lose your jobs.. funny just couple months prior complete opposite.. then administration calls it the pandemic of the unvaccinated.  

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2024 - 5:19 PM ET #56

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @UNIMAN  You asked a loaded question, congress is not bi-partisan and it takes a large percentage to do what you are casually suggesting. Suggesting that blanket immunity is offset from congress is absurd it does not rationalize the concept of authoritarianism AND it introduces a pandoras box because how can you know what decisions are being made for the public and what are being made in a partisan authoritarian way? You know that this path we have seen in the past, I wont give names but we have seen the evolution of powers from one form to another where the leader usurps control and the checks and balances are eroded...it does not go well. The dissenting justice is SPOT on with her analysis, you can call her a lib or a dem or whatever, her comments are nails on point. Not every discussion needs to  revert back to Biden, I am not talking about Biden as the topic originated from a different quasi politician so that is the point of discussion. That said Biden deserves the same treatment and rules and restrictions that ANY president should and as citizens we should support checks and balances, we should support non-partisan protection of rights for all not just those that agree with our personal political perspectives.

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    Right on, WSC! peace_5

     

    In a different approach (sans the widespread violence) than Mussolini, Hitler, Putin,  the North Koreans and the Banana republics, this is clearly a step toward modern day fascism.

    Of course trump DID already try a coup on Jan 6, but thankfully it failed.

    Today he is a CONVICTED FELON.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @UNIMAN  You asked a loaded question, congress is not bi-partisan and it takes a large percentage to do what you are casually suggesting. Suggesting that blanket immunity is offset from congress is absurd it does not rationalize the concept of authoritarianism AND it introduces a pandoras box because how can you know what decisions are being made for the public and what are being made in a partisan authoritarian way? You know that this path we have seen in the past, I wont give names but we have seen the evolution of powers from one form to another where the leader usurps control and the checks and balances are eroded...it does not go well. The dissenting justice is SPOT on with her analysis, you can call her a lib or a dem or whatever, her comments are nails on point. Not every discussion needs to  revert back to Biden, I am not talking about Biden as the topic originated from a different quasi politician so that is the point of discussion. That said Biden deserves the same treatment and rules and restrictions that ANY president should and as citizens we should support checks and balances, we should support non-partisan protection of rights for all not just those that agree with our personal political perspectives.

    @wallstreetcappers

    Right on, WSC! peace_5

     

    In a different approach (sans the widespread violence) than Mussolini, Hitler, Putin,  the North Koreans and the Banana republics, this is clearly a step toward modern day fascism.

    Of course trump DID already try a coup on Jan 6, but thankfully it failed.

    Today he is a CONVICTED FELON.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2024 - 6:22 PM ET #57

    No he is not a convicted felon and you gotta wait til September to find out. Nice try, even with the large font and red ink. sleep2

     

    IMO, some here seem to hide behind a vail of neutrality while exhibiting obvious partisan bias.

     

    Moving on.......

     

     

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    No he is not a convicted felon and you gotta wait til September to find out. Nice try, even with the large font and red ink. sleep2

     

    IMO, some here seem to hide behind a vail of neutrality while exhibiting obvious partisan bias.

     

    Moving on.......

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2024 - 7:08 PM ET #58

    @UNIMAN

     Since you ducked out of the content discussion, tell me this- do you consider that project ultra-conservative 2025 a step towards moderate acceptance and a goal of working for all of society or do you consider that platform and effort a move towards ultra conservative and authoritarian control of various agencies and powers of the president?

    You should not support extremism and authoritarianism but you are doing so by supporting the GOP and especially Trump.

    So are you in support of forwarding a platform and organization that alienates the majority of society and that in theory moves the US towards an authoritarian ultra conservative regime?

    I am not making the summary up, just go to their website and look in depth at the platform, the principals the leadership of the group and tell me if what I am suggesting is not 100% true and completely a step towards a dictatorship and authoritarian control for religious extremism purposes?

    I guess as long as you have Biden to belittle you can hide the stink bomb under the rug and act like you have no idea what I am talking about.

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    @UNIMAN

     Since you ducked out of the content discussion, tell me this- do you consider that project ultra-conservative 2025 a step towards moderate acceptance and a goal of working for all of society or do you consider that platform and effort a move towards ultra conservative and authoritarian control of various agencies and powers of the president?

    You should not support extremism and authoritarianism but you are doing so by supporting the GOP and especially Trump.

    So are you in support of forwarding a platform and organization that alienates the majority of society and that in theory moves the US towards an authoritarian ultra conservative regime?

    I am not making the summary up, just go to their website and look in depth at the platform, the principals the leadership of the group and tell me if what I am suggesting is not 100% true and completely a step towards a dictatorship and authoritarian control for religious extremism purposes?

    I guess as long as you have Biden to belittle you can hide the stink bomb under the rug and act like you have no idea what I am talking about.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2024 - 8:29 PM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @UNIMAN 

     You should not support extremism and authoritarianism but you are doing so by supporting the GOP and especially Trump. So are you in support of forwarding a platform and organization that alienates the majority of society and that in theory moves the US towards an authoritarian ultra conservative regime?

    @wallstreetcappers

     That's  MAGAtt fascism.  And they don't care.

    Trump plans to act as "dictator" on day one he said and now there's talk of jailing all his political opponents.

    The MAGAtts say nothing of course.  

    But if it was Obama making the same fascist statements would they still be silent in congress?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @UNIMAN 

     You should not support extremism and authoritarianism but you are doing so by supporting the GOP and especially Trump. So are you in support of forwarding a platform and organization that alienates the majority of society and that in theory moves the US towards an authoritarian ultra conservative regime?

    @wallstreetcappers

     That's  MAGAtt fascism.  And they don't care.

    Trump plans to act as "dictator" on day one he said and now there's talk of jailing all his political opponents.

    The MAGAtts say nothing of course.  

    But if it was Obama making the same fascist statements would they still be silent in congress?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @THEMUGG  You are just a partisan magnet lately huh? Toss aside your dem vs repub diatribe and get down to the actual issues. Explain your perspective on the issue we are discussing not that you love Trump and the RNC and that democrats this that the other, your post above had really zero discussion value it is just you again reaffirming that you are a repub, well we know that already so why not try discussing social impacts, points of importance and what YOUR position is on actual subjects and how you rationalize your perspective ONTO society. Are you able to discuss subjects, content and depth or are you just here to back slap the RNC posts and put down the DNC ones?
    Where in my post did I profess any love for Trump or the GOP? If you're really the non-partisan guy you claim to be, you'd be laughing at all this nonsense as well. an_light

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @THEMUGG  You are just a partisan magnet lately huh? Toss aside your dem vs repub diatribe and get down to the actual issues. Explain your perspective on the issue we are discussing not that you love Trump and the RNC and that democrats this that the other, your post above had really zero discussion value it is just you again reaffirming that you are a repub, well we know that already so why not try discussing social impacts, points of importance and what YOUR position is on actual subjects and how you rationalize your perspective ONTO society. Are you able to discuss subjects, content and depth or are you just here to back slap the RNC posts and put down the DNC ones?
    Where in my post did I profess any love for Trump or the GOP? If you're really the non-partisan guy you claim to be, you'd be laughing at all this nonsense as well. an_light

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2024 - 8:33 PM ET #62

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    Where in my post did I profess any love for Trump or the GOP? If you're really the non-partisan guy you claim to be, you'd be laughing at all this nonsense as well.

    an_roll_laugh                       an_roll_laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    Where in my post did I profess any love for Trump or the GOP? If you're really the non-partisan guy you claim to be, you'd be laughing at all this nonsense as well.

    an_roll_laugh                       an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2024 - 9:14 PM ET #63

    Well, well, well.

    First of all Project 2025 book is 922 pages long. It will take me awhile to digest. So far I see they want to promote family's, mother and fathers actually raising their children. WTH ARE THEY THINKING!!!!

    But statements coming from a person who uses terms such as "blanket immunity"...........when the Supreme Court actually said; 

    1. former president has absolute immunity for his core constitutional powers.

    2. Is entitled to a presumption of immunity for his official acts.

    3. Has no immunity for private acts.

    ............leaves me doubting anything that person says or claims.

     

    Joe Biden lied again last night and his lies are getting dangerous. 

    Right now I am filled with this huge bias that your claims will turn out be just another Steele Dossier, a 51 intel officials, a get vaxed you will never get COVID, a no way the virus came from a lab, a white supremacy is our greatest threat, a climate change causes more tornado's and hurricanes, a tariffs are horrible but Chinese electric cars OK, a there are bounties on US troops and Trump ignores them, a the border is secure, a inflation is transitory, a voter ID is racist, and on and on and on.

    I have been conditioned over and over but I will read this P2025 wishlist. 

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    Well, well, well.

    First of all Project 2025 book is 922 pages long. It will take me awhile to digest. So far I see they want to promote family's, mother and fathers actually raising their children. WTH ARE THEY THINKING!!!!

    But statements coming from a person who uses terms such as "blanket immunity"...........when the Supreme Court actually said; 

    1. former president has absolute immunity for his core constitutional powers.

    2. Is entitled to a presumption of immunity for his official acts.

    3. Has no immunity for private acts.

    ............leaves me doubting anything that person says or claims.

     

    Joe Biden lied again last night and his lies are getting dangerous. 

    Right now I am filled with this huge bias that your claims will turn out be just another Steele Dossier, a 51 intel officials, a get vaxed you will never get COVID, a no way the virus came from a lab, a white supremacy is our greatest threat, a climate change causes more tornado's and hurricanes, a tariffs are horrible but Chinese electric cars OK, a there are bounties on US troops and Trump ignores them, a the border is secure, a inflation is transitory, a voter ID is racist, and on and on and on.

    I have been conditioned over and over but I will read this P2025 wishlist. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2024 - 9:16 PM ET #64

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      See? Even zeus gets it.

     I want you to admit to yourself, & everyone else in this forum, that Joe Biden has no biz being POTUS.

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      See? Even zeus gets it.

     I want you to admit to yourself, & everyone else in this forum, that Joe Biden has no biz being POTUS.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2024 - 9:20 PM ET #65

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    @wallstreetcappers   See? Even zeus gets that I am wrong. 

    thumbs_up   an_roll_laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    @wallstreetcappers   See? Even zeus gets that I am wrong. 

    thumbs_up   an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2024 - 11:30 PM ET #66

    Lets keep it poppin ya’ll paint_help

    no wonder he didn't elected.  You can take people out of the hood but you cant take the hood out of those people

    an_laughA.O.C. Thinks she is jenny from the block, but she has a flat ass not a phat ass

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    Lets keep it poppin ya’ll paint_help

    no wonder he didn't elected.  You can take people out of the hood but you cant take the hood out of those people

    an_laughA.O.C. Thinks she is jenny from the block, but she has a flat ass not a phat ass

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2024 - 11:04 AM ET #67

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    You fall back to this DEM vs REPUB thing in every post you make, I asked above if you can and are willing to discuss issues, topics, content and more than Biden is feeble and unfit to be president. Are you here to make conversation and discussion or just to applaud the GOP content and condemn the DEM content?

    I like discussing topics, content, real stuff that matters not that Joe is senile and the libs are whatever you are saying they are...makes no sense and is sloppy partisan noise.

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    You fall back to this DEM vs REPUB thing in every post you make, I asked above if you can and are willing to discuss issues, topics, content and more than Biden is feeble and unfit to be president. Are you here to make conversation and discussion or just to applaud the GOP content and condemn the DEM content?

    I like discussing topics, content, real stuff that matters not that Joe is senile and the libs are whatever you are saying they are...makes no sense and is sloppy partisan noise.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2024 - 11:20 AM ET #68

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     "You fall back to this DEM vs REPUB thing in every post you make....."

     And that makes me unique here? confused In case you haven't noticed, that's all that your boys do here.....well that & Trump-bashing.

     Now, how about that confession? an_popcorn

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     "You fall back to this DEM vs REPUB thing in every post you make....."

     And that makes me unique here? confused In case you haven't noticed, that's all that your boys do here.....well that & Trump-bashing.

     Now, how about that confession? an_popcorn

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2024 - 11:24 AM ET #69

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     Well lets see...it is your thread, you make the comments which are of no value so I asked YOU the question in this case. Also it is a flaw on my part to consider you a slice above some of the other members and when you have turned into just another partisan hack I expect a bit more of someone who has a pretty decent past and a good history of interaction and positive comments. 

    Not that you need to care or that you need to improve or take action but I had a different regard for you prior to this dumpster diving you turned to the last year or two. 

    Question still stands and a deflection isnt the answer, are you able and interested in discussing content or are you just here to bash the DEMS and support your GOP counter parts?

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    @THEMUGG

     Well lets see...it is your thread, you make the comments which are of no value so I asked YOU the question in this case. Also it is a flaw on my part to consider you a slice above some of the other members and when you have turned into just another partisan hack I expect a bit more of someone who has a pretty decent past and a good history of interaction and positive comments. 

    Not that you need to care or that you need to improve or take action but I had a different regard for you prior to this dumpster diving you turned to the last year or two. 

    Question still stands and a deflection isnt the answer, are you able and interested in discussing content or are you just here to bash the DEMS and support your GOP counter parts?

     
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     I held off replying to your above response because it was THAT bad, I had to stop myself from saying too much. That said, your response just confirms what I have said and you have refuted about not being strongly conservative yourself and that reply speaks that for sure you are. It is ok to be ultra conservative there is nothing wrong with that but the issue that you have and too many people have (especially this extremist group proj 2025) is that you seek to force your agenda onto a society which does not in entirety feel the way you do. 

    The platform as you minimized it saying it has good elements and families etc is completely glossing over the truth regarding their agenda. That program is nothing short of ultra conservative religious authoritarian control of the government. If you do dig deeper it is also a dissolution of separation of powers and responsibilities of the POTUS which is extremely dangerous and steps closer as I mentioned to OTHER past authoritarian regimes that methodically took power for the purpose of changing the rights and freedoms of others for their purposes.

    This sort of platform is nice for people to try and keep in their homes, teach their kids if they want and live in their lives. It is something you would see in a Baptist church in Mississippi where the congregation believes in the OT as a platform for living their current life, even though Christ himself said the OT is the OLD law, he taught the NEW law. It is funny how ultras cling to the draconian abusive controlling aspects of the OT and yet claim they are following the teachings of Christ, well they are not at all doing so. Christ did not force his beliefs or teachings into politics or to anyone at all, he was accepting of ALL and ANY who wanted to listen and to spread the concept of acceptance and love and not of judgement and punishment as a motivation.

    That project is straight on discrimination and is abusive to the general public, you cannot take ultra extremist concepts and expect a moderate public will benefit from that approach, if you really dig in there that platform is nothing short of isolation, separation and condemnation of any group not following OT draconian concepts. 

    I think they and you forgot what Christ taught in the NT and that is because you want to force your views on others, you want to judge, you want to condemn, you want to ridicule and you want to control and that is not in any fashion the example Christ taught and followed, but hey that platform is the furthest thing from pure Christianity I have seen in a while.

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     I held off replying to your above response because it was THAT bad, I had to stop myself from saying too much. That said, your response just confirms what I have said and you have refuted about not being strongly conservative yourself and that reply speaks that for sure you are. It is ok to be ultra conservative there is nothing wrong with that but the issue that you have and too many people have (especially this extremist group proj 2025) is that you seek to force your agenda onto a society which does not in entirety feel the way you do. 

    The platform as you minimized it saying it has good elements and families etc is completely glossing over the truth regarding their agenda. That program is nothing short of ultra conservative religious authoritarian control of the government. If you do dig deeper it is also a dissolution of separation of powers and responsibilities of the POTUS which is extremely dangerous and steps closer as I mentioned to OTHER past authoritarian regimes that methodically took power for the purpose of changing the rights and freedoms of others for their purposes.

    This sort of platform is nice for people to try and keep in their homes, teach their kids if they want and live in their lives. It is something you would see in a Baptist church in Mississippi where the congregation believes in the OT as a platform for living their current life, even though Christ himself said the OT is the OLD law, he taught the NEW law. It is funny how ultras cling to the draconian abusive controlling aspects of the OT and yet claim they are following the teachings of Christ, well they are not at all doing so. Christ did not force his beliefs or teachings into politics or to anyone at all, he was accepting of ALL and ANY who wanted to listen and to spread the concept of acceptance and love and not of judgement and punishment as a motivation.

    That project is straight on discrimination and is abusive to the general public, you cannot take ultra extremist concepts and expect a moderate public will benefit from that approach, if you really dig in there that platform is nothing short of isolation, separation and condemnation of any group not following OT draconian concepts. 

    I think they and you forgot what Christ taught in the NT and that is because you want to force your views on others, you want to judge, you want to condemn, you want to ridicule and you want to control and that is not in any fashion the example Christ taught and followed, but hey that platform is the furthest thing from pure Christianity I have seen in a while.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2024 - 2:51 PM ET #71

    I haven't read it yet. The family value part is in the beginning pages, saw that when I skimmed over it. 

    It's July, I do have a life. Will try to find time to read it, soon.

    Just off the cuff, it sounds like a backlash to all the cross-dressers reading to school children, books on middle school shelves describing oral sex and masterbation, and gender changes to minors, especially without parental consent. The adgenda pushing is a two-way street.

     

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    I haven't read it yet. The family value part is in the beginning pages, saw that when I skimmed over it. 

    It's July, I do have a life. Will try to find time to read it, soon.

    Just off the cuff, it sounds like a backlash to all the cross-dressers reading to school children, books on middle school shelves describing oral sex and masterbation, and gender changes to minors, especially without parental consent. The adgenda pushing is a two-way street.

     

     
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     Agree with extremism in both directions, I do not like public schools or society to forward excesses in any direction, but that was not the point I was discussing in this case.

    The tit for tat rebuttal and deflection is pretty boring over and over and over.

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     Agree with extremism in both directions, I do not like public schools or society to forward excesses in any direction, but that was not the point I was discussing in this case.

    The tit for tat rebuttal and deflection is pretty boring over and over and over.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    I haven't read it yet. The family value part is in the beginning pages, saw that when I skimmed over it.  It's July, I do have a life. Will try to find time to read it, soon. Just off the cuff, it sounds like a backlash to all the cross-dressers reading to school children, books on middle school shelves describing oral sex and masterbation, and gender changes to minors, especially without parental consent. The adgenda pushing is a two-way street.

    Which books are these? Are these the books the cross-dressers are reading. Our country is barreling towards illiteracy. We should be happy somebody wants to read to the children. The parents aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    I haven't read it yet. The family value part is in the beginning pages, saw that when I skimmed over it.  It's July, I do have a life. Will try to find time to read it, soon. Just off the cuff, it sounds like a backlash to all the cross-dressers reading to school children, books on middle school shelves describing oral sex and masterbation, and gender changes to minors, especially without parental consent. The adgenda pushing is a two-way street.

    Which books are these? Are these the books the cross-dressers are reading. Our country is barreling towards illiteracy. We should be happy somebody wants to read to the children. The parents aren't.

     
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    Here we go again...an_brick

    California Democratic delegate Areva Martin told media personality Stephen A. Smith that passing over Vice President Kamala Harris as President Biden's replacement should he withdraw from the race would destroy the party. 

    "If you pick a White man over Kamala Harris, Black women, I can tell you this, we are going to walk away," Martin said Tuesday. "We are going to blow the party up."

    As speculation over Biden's status as leader of the party grows, Democrats are openly divided over who is qualified to run against former President Trump in the months before the election. 

     

    I honestly hope this plays out this way, split the party and show everyone who made this decision a racially divided one.  This clearly has NOTHING to do with saving your party from losing the power they so crave....no it clearly has to do with what race/gender is going to run the show.confused  But the only clear path forward is to take their shot with the VEEP, otherwise all that donor money is gone for the DNC.  $200+ million, and can you even get another candidate on the ticket in time in all 50 states??  

    Has this ever happened so close to election day?  The bat signal was put out for an emergency Dem Govenor's roundtable at the white house, then another pow wow with Chucky Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries!  The shot callers of the DNC are stacking the deck, and they are about to hit the staples button "that was easy" or so it seems to someone who has had their eyes and ears open on this for the last 12+ months

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    Here we go again...an_brick

    California Democratic delegate Areva Martin told media personality Stephen A. Smith that passing over Vice President Kamala Harris as President Biden's replacement should he withdraw from the race would destroy the party. 

    "If you pick a White man over Kamala Harris, Black women, I can tell you this, we are going to walk away," Martin said Tuesday. "We are going to blow the party up."

    As speculation over Biden's status as leader of the party grows, Democrats are openly divided over who is qualified to run against former President Trump in the months before the election. 

     

    I honestly hope this plays out this way, split the party and show everyone who made this decision a racially divided one.  This clearly has NOTHING to do with saving your party from losing the power they so crave....no it clearly has to do with what race/gender is going to run the show.confused  But the only clear path forward is to take their shot with the VEEP, otherwise all that donor money is gone for the DNC.  $200+ million, and can you even get another candidate on the ticket in time in all 50 states??  

    Has this ever happened so close to election day?  The bat signal was put out for an emergency Dem Govenor's roundtable at the white house, then another pow wow with Chucky Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries!  The shot callers of the DNC are stacking the deck, and they are about to hit the staples button "that was easy" or so it seems to someone who has had their eyes and ears open on this for the last 12+ months

     
     
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    Nonsense.  

    All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness.
    —2 Timothy 3:16

    Jesus quoted from the Old Testament many, many times from multiple books on multiple topics.  Therefore, just because he did not mention each and every immoral sin and judge and condemn it does not mean He was accepting of that behavior.  Simply by affirming the truthfulness of the Old Testament, Jesus automatically condemned all of the immoral acts that were not specifically mentioned by Him.

    Even if you simply break it down into two basic subjects of The Law and The Prophets, He covered that in Matthew 5:17:

    Christ Came to Fulfill the Law

     “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

     

    People want to be dismissive of the Old Testament and assume the New Testament and the New Covenant means that the moral guidance and obedience and justice, that the Old Testament set up, no longer matter.  

    Certainly, the old sacrificial laws no longer apply because Jesus’ sacrifice replaced them.

    Yes, He brought the emphasis on grace, love, patience and kindness to the forefront.

    So, yes, the laws the Israelites were given to guide their daily lives and their relationship with God were set up beforehand.  They can be broken down into three basic types: moral, civil and ceremonial laws.

    The moral laws, like the Ten Commandments, were not all simply done away with.  The ceremonial laws, like the ones dealing with sacrifices would not be needed any longer.  The civil law, dealing with justice and order, still would be needed in some form.

    Just because Jesus emphasized kindness and patience and understanding does not mean that it acceptable to break the moral and ethic laws that were set up.  It also does not mean that there should not be some accountability for  immorality and law-breaking in today’s world.  People use this sort of attitude to imply it is okay for society to be a free-for-all and not to judge people that are immoral or breaking laws.  They think it is okay for folks to do whatever they want to do as long as it does not harm others.  That is not the case at all.

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    Nonsense.  

    All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness.
    —2 Timothy 3:16

    Jesus quoted from the Old Testament many, many times from multiple books on multiple topics.  Therefore, just because he did not mention each and every immoral sin and judge and condemn it does not mean He was accepting of that behavior.  Simply by affirming the truthfulness of the Old Testament, Jesus automatically condemned all of the immoral acts that were not specifically mentioned by Him.

    Even if you simply break it down into two basic subjects of The Law and The Prophets, He covered that in Matthew 5:17:

    Christ Came to Fulfill the Law

     “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

     

    People want to be dismissive of the Old Testament and assume the New Testament and the New Covenant means that the moral guidance and obedience and justice, that the Old Testament set up, no longer matter.  

    Certainly, the old sacrificial laws no longer apply because Jesus’ sacrifice replaced them.

    Yes, He brought the emphasis on grace, love, patience and kindness to the forefront.

    So, yes, the laws the Israelites were given to guide their daily lives and their relationship with God were set up beforehand.  They can be broken down into three basic types: moral, civil and ceremonial laws.

    The moral laws, like the Ten Commandments, were not all simply done away with.  The ceremonial laws, like the ones dealing with sacrifices would not be needed any longer.  The civil law, dealing with justice and order, still would be needed in some form.

    Just because Jesus emphasized kindness and patience and understanding does not mean that it acceptable to break the moral and ethic laws that were set up.  It also does not mean that there should not be some accountability for  immorality and law-breaking in today’s world.  People use this sort of attitude to imply it is okay for society to be a free-for-all and not to judge people that are immoral or breaking laws.  They think it is okay for folks to do whatever they want to do as long as it does not harm others.  That is not the case at all.

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