am I the only one that saw this and freaked out.

no one would call me an optimist but i should have seen the msnbc and known someone was trying to shift the blame.  i'm not as skeptical of the nbc channels as cnn or fox.  i do watch the nbc news some nights and i can't say it's all that biased.  it just sucks.  it's lightweight, kindergarten news.  no journalism at all. 

anyway, dealing with criminals and the families of criminals, there is little worse than parents who come in and make every excuse for some fuckup kid who got in serious trouble.  when you have a kid who can go either way, as most of them can when they are young - 1. learn from the mistake, get his garbage together and not do it again or 2. keep coming back and getting in more trouble and basically wasting his life, one very good indicator of the latter is parents who blame everyone but the kid. 

so, anything that attempts to shift blame and ultimate responsibility from the parents is a very bad thing.

if you took a survey of everyone in prison in this country, my guess is that the most common characteristic would be single parent households or other situations where the parents are absent or don't give a garbage.  it happens, but it is rare to have a kid become a major fuckup and have both parents present and interested in their criminal cases.  usually, you might get one parent or a sibling or nobody.

Anyone read the book Agenda 21.

"if you took a survey of everyone in prison in this country, my guess is that the most common characteristic would be single parent households or other situations where the parents are absent or don't give a garbage."

I think you would be correct. Parental responsibility and parental involvement are the most important things that serve as a root cause for SO many problems that exist in our society, yet no one really wants to talk about it. Instead they want to talk about race, social class, lack of funding, religion, etc.. Start with the parents and go from there, although I can see why a lot of people don't want to have that conversation as you quickly get into some really sensitive subject areas -- i.e., does this mean that Black and Hispanic parents are worse parents as a whole or bear responsibilities as parents because their children have lower academic achievement, higher incarceration rates, etc. when compared to White/Asian/Indian kids?

I don't think that's a conversation that people are comfortable having.

This is part of the process of destroying the family along with the destruction of Christianity in America. The Left is very patient. They have their puppet in office to speed their Agenda along. The Left is the Enemy Within and Liberalism is a mental disorder.

interesting, i would say christianity is part of the problem.  a big part.  the "family values" crowd wants to talk about hating gays but they ignore: divorce, child molestation, not taking care of kids, not paying child support, domestic violence and any number of other things that darn kids up all day every day in this country.  the christian family values routine is part of the problem and nowhere near the solution. 

those examples i'm talking about where criminals mainyl come from fucked up or broken families and people who just want to make excuses for their kids poor choices.  the other thing we hear all of the time is how they are such good christians.  and all it is is some pathetic attempt to avoid responsibility for their actions.  blame others, ignore the real problems, call themselcves good christians and hope to avopid responsibility.

it's easy to say christian values but what does that mean.  the real  benefit and why christian values is such bullshit is that you have to actually work at it.  taking care of kids isn't easy, being a good example for kids 24 hours a day isn't easy.  what is easy is to just talk a good game, say you are a good christian, hate some gays, waive the christian flag when you get in trouble and don't want to pay the price and ignore the hard stuff like staying with the mother, taking care of kids, being there when they need help etc.

 

The dangerous mindset you refer to is that of an individual, not an ideology.

The original poster believes that all on the left are 'bad' and all on the right are 'good' because he lacks the fundamental ability to differentiate between individual beliefs and ideology and instead, engages in the truest form of extremism.

Many of those on the left would never fault others for their childrens misgivings just as many on the right would certainly jump at the opportunity to do so.

Suggesting that anyone who believes that community involvement in the raising of a child is a form of collectivism is intellectual disingenuity. It is reality unless your child is locked in the closest from sun-up to sun-down (I could make a right wing joke here, but I'll pass).

Again, all of those in some form of denial of the communities involvement in raising a child are engaged in the same form of hypocrisy that permeates through the tea party...cuts are fine, so long as it doesn't involve my child.

Sad, very sad.

Melissa Harris-Perry's twitter response to the outrage of her collective commentary.

The verse reads: “But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.”

all the community involvement in the world will never make up for absent or apathetic parents and family at home...it is the single biggest reason this country's education system is in the toilet, and will be for some time to come....we could throw billions into thousands of new schools and pay teachers 100K, still won't mean s h i t

I believe that individual responsibility when it comes to parenting is paramount to creating good communities that supplement an enriching home life.

And I never said that communities do not play a role in raising children. You are twisting my words.
As per usual.

You know it is kind of interesting that after religion is essentially extricated from the public square the very next target is the family and family structure.

Remind anyone of anything?

You know it is kind of interesting that after religion is essentially extricated from the public square the very next target is the family and family structure.

what does this mean?

It's funny having read alot these responses.  I'm in my late 30's to give away my generational stance and I have always taken the phrase "it takes a village to raise a child", as to mean it should be the responsibility of the "village" to provide an example to the youth growing up, not to take it upon themselves to actually intervene.  to provide good role models, administer justice in the case where laws were broken, demonstrate compassion on those less fortunate, while at the same time holding accountability to a point.  All of this and other factors to which the up and coming generation could observe, follow up on positive things, and hopefully learn from the mistakes they observed.  Ultimately the actually raising should be done by the parents and the family.  That is of course the parents are actually present and worth a s hit.  

Interesting. According to your post, it is your responsibility to raise your children and thus, teachers who discuss their own views would have no impact.

Or are you admitting that people in the community do, in fact, have an impact on children?

Why am I not surprised this is lost on you?

It means, one step closer....

Why is it lost on me because I have a differnent opinion than you.  Why the need for the snide remark?  My point of teachers is that they should guide children and give them the tools to help start making their own decisions.  And also everything has an impact on the objects around it.  My point was that the community should strive to provide positive examples not step in and actually be the one raising the child.

I only meant it is lost because you are simultaneously admitting the impact of the community whilst stating that parents are essentially solely responsible.

It wasn't a snide comment, or meant as one. It was because the suggestions are antithesis.

You're a smart guy. I think you can see my point.

And Tilt, I 100% agree that the foundation for children starts at the home.

But can't we agree as to the impact of society? That is solely my point.

Haven't we are known children with horrible home lives who ended up quite well and vice-versa?

I would never suggest that government replace or try to replace the parent. But there is no doubting its impact on the lives of our kids, which was solely my point.

i'm going to have to come back to that one later

Oh come on now DJ -- your comment of "Why am I not surprised this is lost on you?" WASN'T meant to be snide? I certainly read it that way.

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Oh come on now DJ -- your comment of "Why am I not surprised this is lost on you?" WASN'T meant to be snide? I certainly read it that way.


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