I believe that the middle class and lower class should be worried about more then the wealthy, if thats class warfare so be it. Personally i dont give a crap if bill gates gets a tax cut but i do care if some middle class or lower class gets one. If you want to stand up for the rich, thats entirely your choice but the way i see it is, they already get more breaks then other people.
cd - you need to reject the idea of taxation in total. the tax as in Art 1 Sec 8 is for very few things and is supposed to apportioned evenly for all
the current 10k+ page tax code is used by politicians to pit neighbor against neighbor while they dont pay any taxes at all
F them and F the income tax...would you let your neighbor take 1/3 of your earnings every two weeks to give to someone else who hasnt worked as hard or to pay off someone who helped him a few years back?
of course you wouldnt
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:
I believe that the middle class and lower class should be worried about more then the wealthy, if thats class warfare so be it. Personally i dont give a crap if bill gates gets a tax cut but i do care if some middle class or lower class gets one. If you want to stand up for the rich, thats entirely your choice but the way i see it is, they already get more breaks then other people.
cd - you need to reject the idea of taxation in total. the tax as in Art 1 Sec 8 is for very few things and is supposed to apportioned evenly for all
the current 10k+ page tax code is used by politicians to pit neighbor against neighbor while they dont pay any taxes at all
F them and F the income tax...would you let your neighbor take 1/3 of your earnings every two weeks to give to someone else who hasnt worked as hard or to pay off someone who helped him a few years back?
cd - you need to reject the idea of taxation in total. the tax as in Art 1 Sec 8 is for very few things and is supposed to apportioned evenly for all
the current 10k+ page tax code is used by politicians to pit neighbor against neighbor while they dont pay any taxes at all
F them and F the income tax...would you let your neighbor take 1/3 of your earnings every two weeks to give to someone else who hasnt worked as hard or to pay off someone who helped him a few years back?
of course you wouldnt
KOAJ, I understand you hate paying taxes, but in the type of society we live in, taxes are a necessary evil. Without all of us paying taxes there would be no govt and without govt we wouldnt have a military or law enforecment as just 2 examples.
Do we have bloated govt, of course we do but you need to get over this idea that all of us shouldnt be paying taxes to keep our society free and civilized. It seems like all you want to do is live in your own space and dont care about society as a whole. I really believe as you get older, your ideas will change and you will see things differntly.
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Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:
cd - you need to reject the idea of taxation in total. the tax as in Art 1 Sec 8 is for very few things and is supposed to apportioned evenly for all
the current 10k+ page tax code is used by politicians to pit neighbor against neighbor while they dont pay any taxes at all
F them and F the income tax...would you let your neighbor take 1/3 of your earnings every two weeks to give to someone else who hasnt worked as hard or to pay off someone who helped him a few years back?
of course you wouldnt
KOAJ, I understand you hate paying taxes, but in the type of society we live in, taxes are a necessary evil. Without all of us paying taxes there would be no govt and without govt we wouldnt have a military or law enforecment as just 2 examples.
Do we have bloated govt, of course we do but you need to get over this idea that all of us shouldnt be paying taxes to keep our society free and civilized. It seems like all you want to do is live in your own space and dont care about society as a whole. I really believe as you get older, your ideas will change and you will see things differntly.
really could just one time you not be a total fuckin asshole. do you not even give a shit about the people who risked their own lives on 9/11. Is everything with you just starting trouble.
Harry Reid voted no, so the bill could be brought back up again dickhead. MAYBE IF YOU WERENT IN SUCH A RUSH TO POST YOUR BULLSHIT COMMENT YOU WOULD HAVE READ THAT.
how much abuse does someone have to take around here before corrective actions are taken?
why hasn't this SAF poster not been boxed or even banned for his continued inappropriate, hostile responses to people that he disagrees with?
And why are ONLY the right wing posters held to account for what they say in this forum?
W T F is going on here???
This is WRONG....
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:
really could just one time you not be a total fuckin asshole. do you not even give a shit about the people who risked their own lives on 9/11. Is everything with you just starting trouble.
Harry Reid voted no, so the bill could be brought back up again dickhead. MAYBE IF YOU WERENT IN SUCH A RUSH TO POST YOUR BULLSHIT COMMENT YOU WOULD HAVE READ THAT.
how much abuse does someone have to take around here before corrective actions are taken?
why hasn't this SAF poster not been boxed or even banned for his continued inappropriate, hostile responses to people that he disagrees with?
And why are ONLY the right wing posters held to account for what they say in this forum?
KOAJ, I understand you hate paying taxes, but in the type of society we live in, taxes are a necessary evil. Without all of us paying taxes there would be no govt and without govt we wouldnt have a military or law enforecment as just 2 examples.
Do we have bloated govt, of course we do but you need to get over this idea that all of us shouldnt be paying taxes to keep our society free and civilized. It seems like all you want to do is live in your own space and dont care about society as a whole. I really believe as you get older, your ideas will change and you will see things differntly.
Yeah Koaj, Just give up on a Constitutional Government and fair taxes and accept that we live in a feudal Oligarchy.
As you get older you will stop caring about what is "right" or "fair" and slip into the warm bath that is complacency as your masters allow you to retire.
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:
KOAJ, I understand you hate paying taxes, but in the type of society we live in, taxes are a necessary evil. Without all of us paying taxes there would be no govt and without govt we wouldnt have a military or law enforecment as just 2 examples.
Do we have bloated govt, of course we do but you need to get over this idea that all of us shouldnt be paying taxes to keep our society free and civilized. It seems like all you want to do is live in your own space and dont care about society as a whole. I really believe as you get older, your ideas will change and you will see things differntly.
Yeah Koaj, Just give up on a Constitutional Government and fair taxes and accept that we live in a feudal Oligarchy.
As you get older you will stop caring about what is "right" or "fair" and slip into the warm bath that is complacency as your masters allow you to retire.
cd - you need to reject the idea of taxation in total. the tax as in Art 1 Sec 8 is for very few things and is supposed to apportioned evenly for all
the current 10k+ page tax code is used by politicians to pit neighbor against neighbor while they dont pay any taxes at all
F them and F the income tax...would you let your neighbor take 1/3 of your earnings every two weeks to give to someone else who hasnt worked as hard or to pay off someone who helped him a few years back?
of course you wouldnt
How else will you get public funds? Especially when nobody is buying anything?
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Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:
cd - you need to reject the idea of taxation in total. the tax as in Art 1 Sec 8 is for very few things and is supposed to apportioned evenly for all
the current 10k+ page tax code is used by politicians to pit neighbor against neighbor while they dont pay any taxes at all
F them and F the income tax...would you let your neighbor take 1/3 of your earnings every two weeks to give to someone else who hasnt worked as hard or to pay off someone who helped him a few years back?
of course you wouldnt
How else will you get public funds? Especially when nobody is buying anything?
I believe that the middle class and lower class should be worried about more then the wealthy, if thats class warfare so be it. Personally i dont give a crap if bill gates gets a tax cut but i do care if some middle class or lower class gets one. If you want to stand up for the rich, thats entirely your choice but the way i see it is, they already get more breaks then other people.
Henry Ford , Bill Gates, and the like have provided 1000's of jobs for the middle class, why should they be penalized for their success????? Cali is bankrupt b/c of hand outs to illegals, as is Fla and several other states. The real problem starts with the government not enforcing the laws of the land. Illegals are a huge problem. And giving SS to those who never paid a dime into it, WTF...STOP givin' the $$$s away to every Tom, Dick, and Harry that the Dem.s think will vote for them and pay the ones who deserve it. BTW, the hell with the Haiti's of the world, the USA has given away billions to depressed countries and we don't even get a Thank You.
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:
I believe that the middle class and lower class should be worried about more then the wealthy, if thats class warfare so be it. Personally i dont give a crap if bill gates gets a tax cut but i do care if some middle class or lower class gets one. If you want to stand up for the rich, thats entirely your choice but the way i see it is, they already get more breaks then other people.
Henry Ford , Bill Gates, and the like have provided 1000's of jobs for the middle class, why should they be penalized for their success????? Cali is bankrupt b/c of hand outs to illegals, as is Fla and several other states. The real problem starts with the government not enforcing the laws of the land. Illegals are a huge problem. And giving SS to those who never paid a dime into it, WTF...STOP givin' the $$$s away to every Tom, Dick, and Harry that the Dem.s think will vote for them and pay the ones who deserve it. BTW, the hell with the Haiti's of the world, the USA has given away billions to depressed countries and we don't even get a Thank You.
Henry Ford , Bill Gates, and the like have provided 1000's of jobs for the middle class, why should they be penalized for their success????? Cali is bankrupt b/c of hand outs to illegals, as is Fla and several other states. The real problem starts with the government not enforcing the laws of the land. Illegals are a huge problem. And giving SS to those who never paid a dime into it, WTF...STOP givin' the $$$s away to every Tom, Dick, and Harry that the Dem.s think will vote for them and pay the ones who deserve it. BTW, the hell with the Haiti's of the world, the USA has given away billions to depressed countries and we don't even get a Thank You.
I totally agree our people need to start being the ones taken care of instead of all these other countries and yes this illegal alien thing is way out of control and needs to be stopped once and foe all.
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Quote Originally Posted by ApacheM:
Henry Ford , Bill Gates, and the like have provided 1000's of jobs for the middle class, why should they be penalized for their success????? Cali is bankrupt b/c of hand outs to illegals, as is Fla and several other states. The real problem starts with the government not enforcing the laws of the land. Illegals are a huge problem. And giving SS to those who never paid a dime into it, WTF...STOP givin' the $$$s away to every Tom, Dick, and Harry that the Dem.s think will vote for them and pay the ones who deserve it. BTW, the hell with the Haiti's of the world, the USA has given away billions to depressed countries and we don't even get a Thank You.
I totally agree our people need to start being the ones taken care of instead of all these other countries and yes this illegal alien thing is way out of control and needs to be stopped once and foe all.
Henry Ford , Bill Gates, and the like have provided 1000's of jobs for the middle class, why should they be penalized for their success????? Cali is bankrupt b/c of hand outs to illegals, as is Fla and several other states. The real problem starts with the government not enforcing the laws of the land. Illegals are a huge problem. And giving SS to those who never paid a dime into it, WTF...STOP givin' the $$$s away to every Tom, Dick, and Harry that the Dem.s think will vote for them and pay the ones who deserve it. BTW, the hell with the Haiti's of the world, the USA has given away billions to depressed countries and we don't even get a Thank You.
How about all those that pay into SS and don't receive a dime from it. Wouldn't, by your argument above, that be an issue too?
And who is being punished? Why is it that all of those companies that export jobs overseas and south continue to keep their headquarters in the U.S.? Why is that?
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Quote Originally Posted by ApacheM:
Henry Ford , Bill Gates, and the like have provided 1000's of jobs for the middle class, why should they be penalized for their success????? Cali is bankrupt b/c of hand outs to illegals, as is Fla and several other states. The real problem starts with the government not enforcing the laws of the land. Illegals are a huge problem. And giving SS to those who never paid a dime into it, WTF...STOP givin' the $$$s away to every Tom, Dick, and Harry that the Dem.s think will vote for them and pay the ones who deserve it. BTW, the hell with the Haiti's of the world, the USA has given away billions to depressed countries and we don't even get a Thank You.
How about all those that pay into SS and don't receive a dime from it. Wouldn't, by your argument above, that be an issue too?
And who is being punished? Why is it that all of those companies that export jobs overseas and south continue to keep their headquarters in the U.S.? Why is that?
dj - exactly, and who is it that has the far greater ability to take advantage of loopholes & legal ways to avoid taxation? The folks & cos makin a qtr mil or more or the guy/gal makin $40K in salary?
Would rather have seen the cutoff number at $500K - 'pubs still would have held the deal hostage, but there would have been a stronger argument for it & made them look a little worse.
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dj - exactly, and who is it that has the far greater ability to take advantage of loopholes & legal ways to avoid taxation? The folks & cos makin a qtr mil or more or the guy/gal makin $40K in salary?
Would rather have seen the cutoff number at $500K - 'pubs still would have held the deal hostage, but there would have been a stronger argument for it & made them look a little worse.
How about all those that pay into SS and don't receive a dime from it. Wouldn't, by your argument above, that be an issue too?
And who is being punished? Why is it that all of those companies that export jobs overseas and south continue to keep their headquarters in the U.S.? Why is that?
I read the Obits every mornin' to see if any of my friends have died and everyday someone has died at 55-63 yrs of age and yes, where does their SS go? If they don't have a wife the Government keeps it, yet they claim SS is in trouble.
As far as your 2nd question, I don't have an answer, but they are STILL employing Americans.
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
How about all those that pay into SS and don't receive a dime from it. Wouldn't, by your argument above, that be an issue too?
And who is being punished? Why is it that all of those companies that export jobs overseas and south continue to keep their headquarters in the U.S.? Why is that?
I read the Obits every mornin' to see if any of my friends have died and everyday someone has died at 55-63 yrs of age and yes, where does their SS go? If they don't have a wife the Government keeps it, yet they claim SS is in trouble.
As far as your 2nd question, I don't have an answer, but they are STILL employing Americans.
They worry about giving tax breaks to millionaires and billionaires, but they cant even take care of the people who gotton ill responding to 9/11
The republicans in the Senate are a bunch of disgusting human beings and i hope each and every one rots in hell someday. Always worrying about the rich because the rich are lining these scumbags pockets.
Republicans be proud of your party today as they shit on real heroes.
You are so clueless. The whole idea of not raising taxes on everyone is so the economy can improve. Lastly you can't be raising taxes on anyone when this country is in a deep recession.
The dems tried to improve the economy with all the stimulus money they poured out but that didn't work, all it did was put us in a higher deficeit...something like 13 trillion dollars...ouch! Further spending will bankrupt this country. If you recall when Ronald Reagan was the president he improved the economy dramatically by tax cuts.
Stop whining and pay more close attention to what is really going on!!
They worry about giving tax breaks to millionaires and billionaires, but they cant even take care of the people who gotton ill responding to 9/11
The republicans in the Senate are a bunch of disgusting human beings and i hope each and every one rots in hell someday. Always worrying about the rich because the rich are lining these scumbags pockets.
Republicans be proud of your party today as they shit on real heroes.
You are so clueless. The whole idea of not raising taxes on everyone is so the economy can improve. Lastly you can't be raising taxes on anyone when this country is in a deep recession.
The dems tried to improve the economy with all the stimulus money they poured out but that didn't work, all it did was put us in a higher deficeit...something like 13 trillion dollars...ouch! Further spending will bankrupt this country. If you recall when Ronald Reagan was the president he improved the economy dramatically by tax cuts.
Stop whining and pay more close attention to what is really going on!!
You are so clueless. The whole idea of not raising taxes on everyone is so the economy can improve. Lastly you can't be raising taxes on anyone when this country is in a deep recession.
The dems tried to improve the economy with all the stimulus money they poured out but that didn't work, all it did was put us in a higher deficeit...something like 13 trillion dollars...ouch! Further spending will bankrupt this country. If you recall when Ronald Reagan was the president he improved the economy dramatically by tax cuts.
Stop whining and pay more close attention to what is really going on!!
Ronald Reagan and his trickle doen dconomics one of the biggest scams ever pulled on the American people. All if did was make the rich richer. While he was President, thats when the jobs started shifting overseas. Awful President in my opinion.
You have your opinion and i have mine.
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:
You are so clueless. The whole idea of not raising taxes on everyone is so the economy can improve. Lastly you can't be raising taxes on anyone when this country is in a deep recession.
The dems tried to improve the economy with all the stimulus money they poured out but that didn't work, all it did was put us in a higher deficeit...something like 13 trillion dollars...ouch! Further spending will bankrupt this country. If you recall when Ronald Reagan was the president he improved the economy dramatically by tax cuts.
Stop whining and pay more close attention to what is really going on!!
Ronald Reagan and his trickle doen dconomics one of the biggest scams ever pulled on the American people. All if did was make the rich richer. While he was President, thats when the jobs started shifting overseas. Awful President in my opinion.
lmfaoooooooo you have been here since this year and you are calling out people for aliases. Now thats friggin funny.
I have been on this board for many years and i have never heard of any poster named tex, but you been here 6 months and you know who this tex poster is Mets you really need to give this crap a rest.
I told you ask the mods if i have ever had an alis on this site and if they say yes, they can tuen off my user name today. I dont need aliases on a messageboard like you need them, because this isnt my whole life, like it is yours.
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Quote Originally Posted by RichardA:
cd#;s aka TEX
lmfaoooooooo you have been here since this year and you are calling out people for aliases. Now thats friggin funny.
I have been on this board for many years and i have never heard of any poster named tex, but you been here 6 months and you know who this tex poster is Mets you really need to give this crap a rest.
I told you ask the mods if i have ever had an alis on this site and if they say yes, they can tuen off my user name today. I dont need aliases on a messageboard like you need them, because this isnt my whole life, like it is yours.
really could just one time you not be a total fuckin asshole. do you not even give a shit about the people who risked their own lives on 9/11. Is everything with you just starting trouble.
Harry Reid voted no, so the bill could be brought back up again dickhead. MAYBE IF YOU WERENT IN SUCH A RUSH TO POST YOUR BULLSHIT COMMENT YOU WOULD HAVE READ THAT.
im kicking myself for not thinking of this on thursday.
you are more than willing to look behind the rationale why harry reid voted no, but could careless why any R voted no. thats hypocrisy and about as partisan as one can get.
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:
really could just one time you not be a total fuckin asshole. do you not even give a shit about the people who risked their own lives on 9/11. Is everything with you just starting trouble.
Harry Reid voted no, so the bill could be brought back up again dickhead. MAYBE IF YOU WERENT IN SUCH A RUSH TO POST YOUR BULLSHIT COMMENT YOU WOULD HAVE READ THAT.
im kicking myself for not thinking of this on thursday.
you are more than willing to look behind the rationale why harry reid voted no, but could careless why any R voted no. thats hypocrisy and about as partisan as one can get.
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