Are we to believe that they don't play video games in Japan, Germany, England? Are we to believe that other nations don't have their share of the mentally unstable? Nope! The difference is that in our country anyone can buy a gun, a rifle, an assault weapon. As Obama said last night, having now witnessed four mass murders during his presidency, "We are failing in our responsibility of protecting our children." The NRA driven Second Amendment advocates would have us believe we can't be free unless we're willing to put up with this state of affairs. "They want to take our guns." Madness!
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Are we to believe that they don't play video games in Japan, Germany, England? Are we to believe that other nations don't have their share of the mentally unstable? Nope! The difference is that in our country anyone can buy a gun, a rifle, an assault weapon. As Obama said last night, having now witnessed four mass murders during his presidency, "We are failing in our responsibility of protecting our children." The NRA driven Second Amendment advocates would have us believe we can't be free unless we're willing to put up with this state of affairs. "They want to take our guns." Madness!
im not sure about video games being the cause of it... I can see the possibility tho...
you would be interested to see what mental health care looks like in other countries...
I think it is hard because politically obama has to address what is happening in our country...
But I am wondering what the response by the NRA is towards the tragedies... dont take our guns is not a response to the shootings, victims and situation...
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im not sure about video games being the cause of it... I can see the possibility tho...
you would be interested to see what mental health care looks like in other countries...
I think it is hard because politically obama has to address what is happening in our country...
But I am wondering what the response by the NRA is towards the tragedies... dont take our guns is not a response to the shootings, victims and situation...
Are we to believe that they don't play video games in Japan, Germany, England? Are we to believe that other nations don't have their share of the mentally unstable? Nope! The difference is that in our country anyone can buy a gun, a rifle, an assault weapon. As Obama said last night, having now witnessed four mass murders during his presidency, "We are failing in our responsibility of protecting our children." The NRA driven Second Amendment advocates would have us believe we can't be free unless we're willing to put up with this state of affairs. "They want to take our guns." Madness!
Maybe you would be safer in North Korea
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Quote Originally Posted by papadarla:
Are we to believe that they don't play video games in Japan, Germany, England? Are we to believe that other nations don't have their share of the mentally unstable? Nope! The difference is that in our country anyone can buy a gun, a rifle, an assault weapon. As Obama said last night, having now witnessed four mass murders during his presidency, "We are failing in our responsibility of protecting our children." The NRA driven Second Amendment advocates would have us believe we can't be free unless we're willing to put up with this state of affairs. "They want to take our guns." Madness!
Russia's homicide rate is 4 times greater than the US with 1/10th the gun ownership.
In most of Africa, homicide rates are sky-high, as much as five to ten times America’s rate. The homicide rate in Brazil is around five times that of the U.S.
Facts are fun, aren't they?
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Uh oh:
Russia's homicide rate is 4 times greater than the US with 1/10th the gun ownership.
In most of Africa, homicide rates are sky-high, as much as five to ten times America’s rate. The homicide rate in Brazil is around five times that of the U.S.
Russia's homicide rate is 4 times greater than the US with 1/10th the gun ownership.
In most of Africa, homicide rates are sky-high, as much as five to ten times America’s rate. The homicide rate in Brazil is around five times that of the U.S.
Facts are fun, aren't they?
more fun to selectively choose facts huh?
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Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:
Uh oh:
Russia's homicide rate is 4 times greater than the US with 1/10th the gun ownership.
In most of Africa, homicide rates are sky-high, as much as five to ten times America’s rate. The homicide rate in Brazil is around five times that of the U.S.
I think the 50,000 Mexicans that got killed (with Obama/Holder Guns) would disagree with you there.
Also, Not only are violent crime, mass shootings, and gun deaths on the decline.
The shooter in Connecticut was
-denied when he attempted to buy a gun
-Under 21 (which made it illegal for him to possess a handgun)
-In a state that HAS A friggin ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN.
-committed his crimes in a Gun Free Zone.
What other laws would you like to pass on me and law abiding citizens to make you feel safer?
Because you are pissing in the wind.
EXACTLY! An enabling Mother should shoulder more blame than gun laws. People who think gun control will drastically, hell measurably decrease mass murders isn't as bright as they think they are. If I let my 9 year old drive and he runs over a child, is it the car's fault? Come on folks. Quit using catastrophe to pound your political views home. Where was all of this sage gun control advice a month ago? In most cases, mentally ill people show signs of instability long before they act out. Does our country need to address how the mentally ill are handled. Of course. In the mean time, lock them up! It may not be the best solution, but it beats the current alternative.
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Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:
I think the 50,000 Mexicans that got killed (with Obama/Holder Guns) would disagree with you there.
Also, Not only are violent crime, mass shootings, and gun deaths on the decline.
The shooter in Connecticut was
-denied when he attempted to buy a gun
-Under 21 (which made it illegal for him to possess a handgun)
-In a state that HAS A friggin ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN.
-committed his crimes in a Gun Free Zone.
What other laws would you like to pass on me and law abiding citizens to make you feel safer?
Because you are pissing in the wind.
EXACTLY! An enabling Mother should shoulder more blame than gun laws. People who think gun control will drastically, hell measurably decrease mass murders isn't as bright as they think they are. If I let my 9 year old drive and he runs over a child, is it the car's fault? Come on folks. Quit using catastrophe to pound your political views home. Where was all of this sage gun control advice a month ago? In most cases, mentally ill people show signs of instability long before they act out. Does our country need to address how the mentally ill are handled. Of course. In the mean time, lock them up! It may not be the best solution, but it beats the current alternative.
EXACTLY! An enabling Mother should shoulder more blame than gun laws. People who think gun control will drastically, hell measurably decrease mass murders isn't as bright as they think they are. If I let my 9 year old drive and he runs over a child, is it the car's fault? Come on folks. Quit using catastrophe to pound your political views home. Where was all of this sage gun control advice a month ago? In most cases, mentally ill people show signs of instability long before they act out. Does our country need to address how the mentally ill are handled. Of course. In the mean time, lock them up! It may not be the best solution, but it beats the current alternative.
And why did his mother need all those weapons? If she didn't have them this wouldn't have happened.
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Quote Originally Posted by THE-KID:
EXACTLY! An enabling Mother should shoulder more blame than gun laws. People who think gun control will drastically, hell measurably decrease mass murders isn't as bright as they think they are. If I let my 9 year old drive and he runs over a child, is it the car's fault? Come on folks. Quit using catastrophe to pound your political views home. Where was all of this sage gun control advice a month ago? In most cases, mentally ill people show signs of instability long before they act out. Does our country need to address how the mentally ill are handled. Of course. In the mean time, lock them up! It may not be the best solution, but it beats the current alternative.
And why did his mother need all those weapons? If she didn't have them this wouldn't have happened.
Russia's homicide rate is 4 times greater than the US with 1/10th the gun ownership.
In most of Africa, homicide rates are sky-high, as much as five to ten times America’s rate. The homicide rate in Brazil is around five times that of the U.S.
Facts are fun, aren't they?
Horrible example, a completely different political and economic environment..which is typical when you are unable to make realistic comparisons, since they do not exist.
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Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:
Uh oh:
Russia's homicide rate is 4 times greater than the US with 1/10th the gun ownership.
In most of Africa, homicide rates are sky-high, as much as five to ten times America’s rate. The homicide rate in Brazil is around five times that of the U.S.
Facts are fun, aren't they?
Horrible example, a completely different political and economic environment..which is typical when you are unable to make realistic comparisons, since they do not exist.
And why did his mother need all those weapons? If she didn't have them this wouldn't have happened.
Wow, this has to take the cake for faulty logic post of the year.
IF he was willing to kill his mother to steal her guns, what makes you think he would not find other ways to procure weapons, if his mother did not have guns.
You are making some serious leaps and bounds with the statement that this would not have happened.
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Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:
And why did his mother need all those weapons? If she didn't have them this wouldn't have happened.
Wow, this has to take the cake for faulty logic post of the year.
IF he was willing to kill his mother to steal her guns, what makes you think he would not find other ways to procure weapons, if his mother did not have guns.
You are making some serious leaps and bounds with the statement that this would not have happened.
If you don't like his facts then explain how you think they don't apply in the discussion.
I think his post presents his case well. Unless they are incorrect.
For you to just label them as selective seems petty.
Bowl -- A couple of things. 14daroad is constantly selectively choosing info to use for his arguments and/or constantly trying to either spin information or the words of other posters (other people do this by the way). In my response to him I did not want to get into it because I have learned that with some people on here it is 100% pointless to pursue a meaningful discussion with them.
As far as the gun stats.
Depending on what source you look at the US is about 10 - 12 in the world in gun related deaths. To the credit of the U.S. they are doing better than some world powerhouses and progressive nations such as El Salvador, Jamaica, Honduras, Guatemala, Swaziland, Colombia, Brazil, Panama, and Mexico. For what it is worth I did find Russia in any list.
The US is at about 10.2 deaths / 100,000 people.
Now if we look at some of the countries that would be more of our "peers" (sounds arrogant I know but you get the point) you have
Japan = 0.07 South Korea = 0.13 Qatar = 0.18 United Kingdon = 0.25 Netherlands = 0.46 Spain = 0.63 India = 0.93 Ireland = 1.03 Australia = 1.05 Germany = 1.10 Italy = 1.28 Denmark = 1.45 Sweeden = 1.47 Czech Republic = 1.76 Israel = 1.86 New Zeland = 2.66 France = 3.00 Switzerland = 3.5 Canada = 4.78
And I am not selectively trying to cherry pick nations. All of these are still (at the most) less than half the rate of the US and most are about 1/10 the rate.
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Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:
How is that selective?
If you don't like his facts then explain how you think they don't apply in the discussion.
I think his post presents his case well. Unless they are incorrect.
For you to just label them as selective seems petty.
Bowl -- A couple of things. 14daroad is constantly selectively choosing info to use for his arguments and/or constantly trying to either spin information or the words of other posters (other people do this by the way). In my response to him I did not want to get into it because I have learned that with some people on here it is 100% pointless to pursue a meaningful discussion with them.
As far as the gun stats.
Depending on what source you look at the US is about 10 - 12 in the world in gun related deaths. To the credit of the U.S. they are doing better than some world powerhouses and progressive nations such as El Salvador, Jamaica, Honduras, Guatemala, Swaziland, Colombia, Brazil, Panama, and Mexico. For what it is worth I did find Russia in any list.
The US is at about 10.2 deaths / 100,000 people.
Now if we look at some of the countries that would be more of our "peers" (sounds arrogant I know but you get the point) you have
Japan = 0.07 South Korea = 0.13 Qatar = 0.18 United Kingdon = 0.25 Netherlands = 0.46 Spain = 0.63 India = 0.93 Ireland = 1.03 Australia = 1.05 Germany = 1.10 Italy = 1.28 Denmark = 1.45 Sweeden = 1.47 Czech Republic = 1.76 Israel = 1.86 New Zeland = 2.66 France = 3.00 Switzerland = 3.5 Canada = 4.78
And I am not selectively trying to cherry pick nations. All of these are still (at the most) less than half the rate of the US and most are about 1/10 the rate.
Bowl -- A couple of things. 14daroad is constantly selectively choosing info to use for his arguments and/or constantly trying to either spin information or the words of other posters (other people do this by the way). In my response to him I did not want to get into it because I have learned that with some people on here it is 100% pointless to pursue a meaningful discussion with them.
As far as the gun stats.
Depending on what source you look at the US is about 10 - 12 in the world in gun related deaths. To the credit of the U.S. they are doing better than some world powerhouses and progressive nations such as El Salvador, Jamaica, Honduras, Guatemala, Swaziland, Colombia, Brazil, Panama, and Mexico. For what it is worth I did find Russia in any list.
The US is at about 10.2 deaths / 100,000 people.
Now if we look at some of the countries that would be more of our "peers" (sounds arrogant I know but you get the point) you have
Japan = 0.07 South Korea = 0.13 Qatar = 0.18 United Kingdon = 0.25 Netherlands = 0.46 Spain = 0.63 India = 0.93 Ireland = 1.03 Australia = 1.05 Germany = 1.10 Italy = 1.28 Denmark = 1.45 Sweeden = 1.47 Czech Republic = 1.76 Israel = 1.86 New Zeland = 2.66 France = 3.00 Switzerland = 3.5 Canada = 4.78
And I am not selectively trying to cherry pick nations. All of these are still (at the most) less than half the rate of the US and most are about 1/10 the rate.
im completely shocked that 14 would be caught red handed like this
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Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:
Bowl -- A couple of things. 14daroad is constantly selectively choosing info to use for his arguments and/or constantly trying to either spin information or the words of other posters (other people do this by the way). In my response to him I did not want to get into it because I have learned that with some people on here it is 100% pointless to pursue a meaningful discussion with them.
As far as the gun stats.
Depending on what source you look at the US is about 10 - 12 in the world in gun related deaths. To the credit of the U.S. they are doing better than some world powerhouses and progressive nations such as El Salvador, Jamaica, Honduras, Guatemala, Swaziland, Colombia, Brazil, Panama, and Mexico. For what it is worth I did find Russia in any list.
The US is at about 10.2 deaths / 100,000 people.
Now if we look at some of the countries that would be more of our "peers" (sounds arrogant I know but you get the point) you have
Japan = 0.07 South Korea = 0.13 Qatar = 0.18 United Kingdon = 0.25 Netherlands = 0.46 Spain = 0.63 India = 0.93 Ireland = 1.03 Australia = 1.05 Germany = 1.10 Italy = 1.28 Denmark = 1.45 Sweeden = 1.47 Czech Republic = 1.76 Israel = 1.86 New Zeland = 2.66 France = 3.00 Switzerland = 3.5 Canada = 4.78
And I am not selectively trying to cherry pick nations. All of these are still (at the most) less than half the rate of the US and most are about 1/10 the rate.
im completely shocked that 14 would be caught red handed like this
Should they really be considered our peers if the gun ownership of South Korea is 1.1 guns per 100 people? India 3.3 guns per 100 people France 31.2 guns per 100 people USA 88 guns per 100 people.
Actually, after looking into it. Your facts are dead wrong. USA has nowhere near 10 gun deaths per 100,000 people:
In the United States, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is
Seems to me that you are doing far worse than being selective with your facts....you're pulling your facts out of your bum.
And the dullard looks like a jack-behind now too because he gave you a handjob over it.
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Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:
Should say -- did not find Russia
Should they really be considered our peers if the gun ownership of South Korea is 1.1 guns per 100 people? India 3.3 guns per 100 people France 31.2 guns per 100 people USA 88 guns per 100 people.
Actually, after looking into it. Your facts are dead wrong. USA has nowhere near 10 gun deaths per 100,000 people:
In the United States, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is
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