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@BIGDTITLE

 exactly.....that is a racist, bigoted and INTOLERANT comment right there 

I can assure you, Fox News killed more people than the vaccine did. 

I find this train of thought interesting.

It seems to be most apparent when someone has their thoughts and thought process on a subject challenged. For whatever reason they just deflect facts against their view and resort to name-calling. 

That's why I was surprised deezy came around a little bit and gave him props. Typically they just stick to the name-calling....this also makes it impossible to have a half-serious discussion on the topic...

@Jimmy_Cats

 Interesting comparison by the numbers

2 very different scenarios

"So, there is no evidence of long term heart problems caused by vaccines"

Yes there is none.. because that is impossible...the vaccine hasn't been out long enough, in 2-3 years you could claim that for sure 

What else causes myocarditis? What does the CDC say about COVID-19 actually being much more likely to cause myocarditis as opposed to the vaccine? Hmmm. 

See you try to lead people to your desired conclusion. The virus itself is much more scientifically linked to myocarditis than any vaccine, but you avoid stating that. I wonder why. Yes, there are rare cases or linkages between certain covid vaccines and the condition, like 1 in a million cases. 

Also isn't it common knowledge that all vaccines have side effects? Not just the covid-19 vaccine? So of course, they are not for everyone. 

Hell, women's birth control pills carry way worse side effects than covid-19 vaccines, but I don't see the masses criticizing birth control. I wonder why. 

However, the covid-19 vaccines are not a direct cause of heart attacks. No science has produced this conclusion. This is all conjecture and detractors trying to push their desired agenda. It's pathetic actually. 

[Quote: Originally Posted by Jimmy_Cats]Quote Originally Posted by dubz4dummyz: @Jimmy_Cats  Jimmy here is the data from the CDC   CDC states myocarditis occurs in vaxxed  about 40.6 times per million people   Go browse their website if you please...easy Google search to find it and all of their posted data   Now if we wanna argue that pro athletes are superior human beings with superior systems, specifically immune systems and cardiovascular systems, therefore making them less susceptible to covid symptoms or post-vaxx symptoms ...then sure..there is a debate to be had there...maybe that 0.18% gets cut down but you can't say "well he/she is a pro-athlete so its definitely 0.00% chance cause it never happened before" Okay, so the CDC states myocarditis occurs in vaxxed about 40.6 times per million people. 

Even this is misleading because how many of these 41 vaxxed people caught covid-19 prior to getting myocarditis? So covid and not the vaccine in this bunch is more likely to cause the condition. I read the real number of vax related cases of myocarditis is 1 in a million based on a recent scientific study in the UK. 

[Quote: Originally Posted by dubz4dummyz]@blowoutgm  Thanks but we can leave it alone now...they went silent when I gave the numbers....the facts are the facts...   Deezy wording already changed since his initial response...now he has at least acknowledged that it is possible that the vaxx could have caused issues....but he still tried to spin it towards heart attacks specifically  instead of heart problems in general.

I didn't try to spin anything numnuts. I am speaking about heart attacks because that is what Hamlin suffered from on the field (cardiac arrest) and that is what we are specifically talking about. That is what posters like you and other vaccine detractors are trying to connect to his sudden heart attack on the field, which is almost 100% unlikely to be related to any covid-19 vaccine. 

@DeezyAZ81

 I have no desired conclusion. I never said the vaxx causes heart attacks. I said heart related issues.

I am just giving you the numbers of the myocarditis in vaxxed and saying there is a possibility....simple as that...thats what the numbers say....

Yes the virus causes myocarditis as well....and the experts have said the majority of us have all had covid either symptomatically or a-symtomatically at this point

The point was people are quick to say "it can't be the vaxx" when the data clearly states it is a possibility...right from the CDC and manufacturers

Did hamlin have a heart attack? Did he have chest trauma causing heart failure? Did he have a slightly weakened heart from birth that finally gave? Did he have an enlarged aorta? Did the vax cause side effects that weakened his heart? Did he have a blood clot related to the vaxx? Was it just a freak one in a million accident we never see again?? Was there a problem with one of his ventricles??

No one knows yet, thats all

@DeezyAZ81

You simply are wasting your time,,,This doorknob is too far gone to have a normal conversation with on this topic.

@DeezyAZ81

 Still give you props for coming around and realizing the vaxx is plausible, but unlikely, issue

And to be clear I am pro-vaxx for anyone who wants it. Fill ur boots

@kcblitzkrieg

 Funny you and I don't see eye to eye on everything  but can have a reasonable conversation....respect

@dubz4dummyz

Technically Hamlin had cardiac arrest, which is worse than a heart attack. I also have not heard a single documented case of any covid-19 vaccine causing cardiac arrest in a single human, which makes it even more unlikely.  Of course, anything is possible but the chances are slim to none. Some anti-vaxxers in the thread are attempting to make certain linkages, which isn't supported by any shred of evidence. 

@DeezyAZ81

 "I also have not heard a single documented case of any covid-19 vaccine causing cardiac arrest in a single human, which makes it even more unlikely"

I agree i doubt it would be the sole reason for cardiac arrest, it wouldn't be...

but does the vaxx and the heart related issues that potentially come with it make you more susceptible to cardiac arrest??? That is a 100% legitimate question that needs to be answered scientifically in the next 2-7 years.

We don't have studies on that yet as the vaxx hasn't been out very long

@Jimmy_Cats

 Lol! There is plenty of credible evidence. You choose not to believe it. 

The Covid 19 virus is far more dangerous than the vaccine. I maintain that there is no evidence of LONG TERM damage to the heart from receiving the Covid 19 vaccine. If you'd ever been in an emergency room at the height of the epidemic, you would change what you choose to believe.

Anti-Vaxxers are agitators and should be sentenced to 30 days at a work camp where watching Fox News is not allowed. You, personally, should also be banned from this site because you disagree with me.  

What’s the difference between an anti-vaxxer and a hot dog?
The hot dog might actually have some brains in it.

@TheSquare

 Lol go fuck yourself doctor. Yeah because so many NFL players have heart attacks. 

if you believe this, here is your sign. 

@Jimmy_Cats

 You’re a fucking idiot. 

I mean, there hasn't been an uptick in NFL heart attacks. Nor NBA. Nor MLB. Nor D1 college that I have heard. Hamlin took a shot to his chest. Little bit of a different thing.