Its not looking good...

Deezy. The definition of a cure is to "relieve a person or animal of the symptoms of a medical condition or disease. How does treating 350 people that have been hospitalized and released not fit into that definition? 

I'm sorry but to argue over the semantics of what is a cure and what is not a cure seems silly to me. Zero died. All 350 have been released from doctor care. That's good news. 

Again....don't be like Fubar. He prefers to keep a running ticker on the death count while rooting for the collapse of our economy and our stock markets because he (very, very obviously) has nothing to lose. From our conversations, I understand you are not like that at all. 

Gamble,

I appreciate your perspective, but you need to consider the source of this news. Do you actually trust this "doctor" that claims has treated 350 patients with the drug and has zero deaths? This is the same doctor that pushes ideas about demon sperm, alien DNA, and human beings breeding with evil spirits. Do you know her medical background? She is not a disease expert, but a pediatrician licensed in the South with zero experience and expertise in infectious disease.  She has recently been sued for medical malpractice as a patient recently died under her care after being treated with bacterially infected needle. I will not trust anything that comes out of this "doctor's" mouth. She has no evidence or proof to back up her claims and pushes many wild religious fanatical conspiracy theories like many quacks out there. 

Here is a little professional background, if you can even call it that on this quack doctor, which Trump claims is well-respected, while admitting he knows nothing about her. Again, I will not even consider anything she is saying to be truthful in any way. 

https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/houston-doctor-drug-viral-video-sued-louisiana-15443243.php

I read the article and it does provide a new perspective for me. I had also watched the video previously and it seems that a lot of the other doctors with her support the treatment. I don't think the 350 treated patients being released from the hospital is fake news. Thus, I'm not going to dismiss so quickly. 

I have hope for the "cure". I'm not counting deaths and assessing blame. I'm not celebrating the potential collapse of our economy. I prefer to have hope that a vaccine will be discovered. 

Sorry gamble.

Coming from someone like her with a lack of credentials, and absence of professionalism, I do not believe a word she says. I am surprised her medical license has not been revoked yet, with the nonsense she spews. 

[Quote: Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81 He certainly does not read or do his research before writing on topics he has limited knowledge on apparently.  I think I am just going to put him on timeout and ignore him like I started doing toward Slim

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Don't start talking about me DZ..

On Fox News today Dr. Birx also states that there is no evidence from randomized clinical trials that taking hydroxychloroquine improves patients outcomes, who are suffering from COVID-19, whether symptoms are mild, moderate, or severe. So no sheep, there is no medical evidence showing this is an effective treatment. 

[Quote: Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81 He certainly does not read or do his research before writing on topics he has limited knowledge on apparently.  I think I am just going to put him on timeout and ignore him like I started doing toward Slim

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Don't start talking about me DZ..

Or what? What are you going to do keyboard tough guy?

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/yale-epidemiologist-says-hydroxychloroquine-key-defeating-covid-19

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-detroit-study/index.html

"A team at Henry Ford Health System in southeast Michigan said Thursday their study of 2,541 hospitalized patients found that those given hydroxychloroquine were much less likely to die."

Alot of the clinical trials that were taking place were stopped. So it's hard to get the evidence you want when the NIH, WHO, etc.. stop the trails.

The second article you posted actually says in the title "Other researchers have doubts" 

That's a CNN headline for you 

"A surprising new study found the controversial antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine helped patients better survive in the hospital. But the findings, like the federal government's use of the drug itself, were disputed."

Read the first sentence above. Then the second sentence like the headline is the CNN spin 

The article reads that other studies have shown no benefits from the drug. Therefore the results are inconclusive and inconsistent. I want something to work against the virus just like the rest of us, it just does not appear that this hydroxy drug is the answer, despite being peddled by the Trump administration, yet disputed by masses of doctors and medical health experts. 

Where is the evidence from randomized clinical trails that taking hydroxychloroquine doesn't improve patients outcomes, who are suffering from COVID-19, whether symptoms are mild, moderate, or severe? 

Dr. Birx said it on Fox News today, but there is plenty of scientific evidence that shows it does not work if you conduct a simple Google search.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200515174441.htm

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19-what-do-the-clinical-trials-tell-us/

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/three-big-studies-dim-hopes-hydroxychloroquine-can-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or

u make sense deezy .

that guy just ignores facts and argues only 4 the sake of arguing cuz he perceives anyone who opposes the worst president in history is to them an opponent to argue . trump could literally shoot a child on 5th avenue and those two trumpettes who hide behind female avatars will defend him ad nauseum .seriously !! thats just twisted .these people r already buying into the narrative that the coming election is FAKE but only if trump loses the vote again . sad

in research there r almost always opposing studies to the majority consensus . always .

The US missed a chance to control outbreak.
Now it's 'impossible to predict' how long
the pandemic will last, Fauci says

By Madeline Holcombe, CNN
Updated 4:53 AM ET, Fri July 31, 2020

(CNN) Without a national effort to adhere to preventative measures,
the nation's top infectious disease doctor said, it will be impossible
to predict how much longer the Covid-19 pandemic will last in the US.

The US is seeing a resurgence of coronavirus infections after states
began reopening their economies, with the number of cases now at
more than 4.4 million and the death toll at 152,070, according to
data from Johns Hopkins University. The Institute for Health Metrics
and Evaluation increased its forecast to 219,864 total deaths by
November, in part because the nation continues to debate
measures like wearing masks and social distancing.

Source: https://tinyurl.com/yxzyo4bm

The first study didn't hydroxychloroquine, zinc and the antibiotic azithromycin

The second study said its says, "in both of the studies discussed in detail above, there are major discrepancies between the studies as described in the protocols and as described in the reports. These discrepancies are likely to have introduced biases that could render the conclusions reached by the authors invalid."

The third article admits, "On 4 June, after critics challenged the data,  suddenly retracted a paper that had suggested the drug increased the death rate in COVID-19 patients, a finding that had stopped many clinical trials in their tracks."

The fourth link isn't a study and says, "June 15, 2020 Update: Based on ongoing analysis and emerging scientific data, FDA has revoked the emergency use authorization (EUA) to use hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat COVID-19 in certain hospitalized patients when a clinical trial is unavailable or participation is not feasible. We made this determination based on recent results from a large, randomized clinical trial in hospitalized patients that found these medicines showed no benefit for decreasing the likelihood of death or speeding recovery." - based on the retracted paper?

I want to see the study results for early use on hydroxychloroquine, zinc and the antibiotic azithromycin on Covid-19 patients. 

https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/03/hydroxychloroquine-does-not-prevent-covid-19-infection-in-people-who-have-been-exposed-study-says/

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/hydroxychloroquine-covid-19-scientists-say-it-s-time-stop-promoting-n1235347

https://www.fox19.com/2020/07/29/pharmacists-ohio-be-barred-selling-chloroquine-hydroxychloroquine-covid-treatments/

Here are some more. Ohio pharmacists now prevented from selling the drug to treat covid-19 as of today, as it is determined to be an ineffective treatment. 

The Ohio Board of Pharmacy has withdrawn their ruling banning the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19. 

The board’s decision came after Governor Mike DeWine requested Thursday that they reconsider their decision.  

Source? So Ohio Board of Pharmacy withdrew their ban a day after putting it in place.  Oh so Ohio is playing politics? Big surprise coming from a Republican Governor. Too funny. He must have got the call to hold off from Fat Donnie. What do you think of the other two articles? Here are some more. 

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/508782-new-study-finds-hydroxychloroquine-ineffective-at-treating-covid-19

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/coronavirus/virus-updates-new-studies-find-heart-damage-in-recovered-patients/2374337/

It's not effective bro. Time to move on to another drug. 

For every 9 articles and studies, which show it is not an effective treatment and does not work, you can find 1 that claims some type of progress. By and large, the vast majority of doctors, and health specialists claim it is not an effective treatment to prevent and reduce symptoms of covid-19. 

Researchers publish "debunking" of a
hydroxychloroquine study touted by Trump

By Elizabeth Cohen, CNN Senior Medical Correspondent
Updated 1:33 AM ET, Fri July 31, 2020

Researchers on Wednesday published scathing critiques of a study
President Trump repeatedly touted on Twitter.
That study, published earlier this month in the International Journal
of Infectious Diseases, claimed to show that hydroxychloroquine
saved lives. President Trump tweeted about it enthusiastically.

"The highly respected Henry Ford Health System just reported,
based on a large sampling, that HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE cut
the death rate in certain sick patients very significantly.
The Dems disparaged it for political reasons (me!).
Disgraceful. Act now," the President tweeted on July 6.

But the study had multiple errors, flaws and biases,
according to letters to the journal's editors.

Henry Ford doctors chose to prescribe hydroxychloroquine to
some patients, but not to others -- and that may have
introduced some bias into the study, the letters suggested.

For example, the patients in the Henry Ford study who were
given hydroxychloroquine had fewer risk factors for heart disease,
the Albany researchers, Eli Rosenberg, David Holtgrave and
Tomoko Udo, wrote in their letter.
Also, the hydroxychloroquine patients were more than twice as
likely to be given steroids, a treatment known to be effective
against Covid-19.
The Detroit study was not a randomized clinical trial, 
which is the gold standard in medicine and helps avoid these
potential biases. In such trials, patients are randomly assigned
to take a drug or not take it, which means the two groups should
be very similar.

"As a result of the flaws in the analysis the conclusions
reached in [the study] are invalid," Graham Atkinson, an independent
consultant in health care policy, wrote in one of the letters.

Source: https://tinyurl.com/y4c873b3

NOTE: just now on LIVE TV, Dr. Fauci was asked about the above study
and just destroyed it.... Completely dismissed it. He states that to date
there have been NO valid, randomized-placebo-controlled studies that have
demonstrated efficacy but he would be the first to announce it if it happens.
He further stated that there have been valid, randomized-placebo-controlled
studies done and none of them proved effective for covid-19

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Kelly. With ridiculous posts like this you are gaining in the race for King of Clowns. 

Keep up the good work. 

Hydroxychloroquine is not a drug that should be taken for Covid-19 treatment.  You know why the company that made the drug is remaining silent?  It is because any benefit someone gains from taking it would be considered off label effects.  The drug was made for arthritis primarily... if you are taking a drug that was designed to treat one thing you cannot say it can be used to treat another ailment. That is, unless your initial NDA stated as such.  Before you guys ask who the hell is this guy, I'm an individual who has worked in big pharma a long time.  I am the guy that is a part of the process of making drugs like these.  Wait for something designed to treat covid-19 and it's mutations accordingly.