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    Honest question and not trying to be racist: Why do GM's draft black QB's to run the team?

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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:26 PM ET #51

    Vegas, majority of people are blind and cannot call it like it is.Bunch of uneducated morons.
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:26 PM ET #52

    It's obviously a conspiricy aganist black qb's 
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:26 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by bunny651:

     

    Says the person who actually started a thread asking how blacks feel about Richard Sherman being the "representative" of their race. It's scary indeed.



    Yes any white person who portrays himself as a thug is a disgrace to my race too. Especially as a pro athlete, you should hold yourself to a higher standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bunny651:

     

    Says the person who actually started a thread asking how blacks feel about Richard Sherman being the "representative" of their race. It's scary indeed.



    Yes any white person who portrays himself as a thug is a disgrace to my race too. Especially as a pro athlete, you should hold yourself to a higher standard.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:28 PM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

    To me it doesnt match the sharpe ratio that they should be looking at when making these decisions. The statistical likelihood of that player turning out to be a franchise QB is extremely low. This is again nothing against blacks but they just don't have the IT factor that other QB's have and it has been proven time and time again throughout history. The last black QB I can remember that was truly special (and I met him through my church when I was a kid. Great guy) was Randall Cunningham. Vick had some flashes of being great in his youngin days but other than that its a losing proposition.

    So If I am correct then why do GM's continue to do this when they no it has a huge negative EV??

    Short answer to your question: Because they repeatedly win championships at the college level. You must not make much money betting on college football if you're betting against QBs just because they're black . In your case, it's not ignorance - it's intentional stupidity, lol. 
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    To me it doesnt match the sharpe ratio that they should be looking at when making these decisions. The statistical likelihood of that player turning out to be a franchise QB is extremely low. This is again nothing against blacks but they just don't have the IT factor that other QB's have and it has been proven time and time again throughout history. The last black QB I can remember that was truly special (and I met him through my church when I was a kid. Great guy) was Randall Cunningham. Vick had some flashes of being great in his youngin days but other than that its a losing proposition.

    So If I am correct then why do GM's continue to do this when they no it has a huge negative EV??

    Short answer to your question: Because they repeatedly win championships at the college level. You must not make much money betting on college football if you're betting against QBs just because they're black . In your case, it's not ignorance - it's intentional stupidity, lol. 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:30 PM ET #55

    Quote Originally Posted by habs1:

    Vegas, majority of people are blind and cannot call it like it is.Bunch of uneducated morons.



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    Quote Originally Posted by habs1:

    Vegas, majority of people are blind and cannot call it like it is.Bunch of uneducated morons.



     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:33 PM ET #56

    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:

    Black, green, white, blue, orange or red it doesn't matter.  Running QB's in the NFL will always have a tough time winning year in and out and winning Super Bowls.  The NFL is ideal for the pocket passer.  The game is to fast for a running QB.  They get the crap beat out of them.

    I think it's probably has more to do with the systems designed for them. Both Luck and Wilson can get out of troubles with their feet but both weren't utilized that way(Luck even less) like they do with Rg3 and Kap. It's the element of surprise so if the other teams are looking for it, those QBs will be in trouble on top of their injury problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:

    Black, green, white, blue, orange or red it doesn't matter.  Running QB's in the NFL will always have a tough time winning year in and out and winning Super Bowls.  The NFL is ideal for the pocket passer.  The game is to fast for a running QB.  They get the crap beat out of them.

    I think it's probably has more to do with the systems designed for them. Both Luck and Wilson can get out of troubles with their feet but both weren't utilized that way(Luck even less) like they do with Rg3 and Kap. It's the element of surprise so if the other teams are looking for it, those QBs will be in trouble on top of their injury problems.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:33 PM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

    To me it doesnt match the sharpe ratio that they should be looking at when making these decisions. The statistical likelihood of that player turning out to be a franchise QB is extremely low. This is again nothing against blacks but they just don't have the IT factor that other QB's have and it has been proven time and time again throughout history. The last black QB I can remember that was truly special (and I met him through my church when I was a kid. Great guy) was Randall Cunningham. Vick had some flashes of being great in his youngin days but other than that its a losing proposition.

    So If I am correct then why do GM's continue to do this when they no it has a huge negative EV??

     

    Russell Wilson just let his team to a super bowl.  He's Black!  Your argument is null and void, LMFAO!!  Are you serious with this B.S???

    Jay Cutler Sucks!  Mark Sanchez sucked so bad, Geno Smith a rookie took his starting spot.

    I'm from Atlanta, Matt Ryan sucks Azzzz!!!!

    Ryan Fitzpatrick? Sucks!

    Kyle Orton? Sucks!

    Man I could keep going, but my fingers are tired, haha.

    And as I said, when Russell Wilson (Black QB) is the reigning Super Bowl QB Champion.  Your question holds no water. 

    And also when majority of the league is Black making all the plays.  I have no idea what your even talking about.  Mostly all the running back, wide receivers, cornerbacks, linebackers all Black!

    I mean what you want?  Damn the Black man gotta run the ball, catch the ball, and throw the ball.  If there are some good White QB's that's great, let the White Man contribute and not watch the Black guys do everything sheesh

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

    To me it doesnt match the sharpe ratio that they should be looking at when making these decisions. The statistical likelihood of that player turning out to be a franchise QB is extremely low. This is again nothing against blacks but they just don't have the IT factor that other QB's have and it has been proven time and time again throughout history. The last black QB I can remember that was truly special (and I met him through my church when I was a kid. Great guy) was Randall Cunningham. Vick had some flashes of being great in his youngin days but other than that its a losing proposition.

    So If I am correct then why do GM's continue to do this when they no it has a huge negative EV??

     

    Russell Wilson just let his team to a super bowl.  He's Black!  Your argument is null and void, LMFAO!!  Are you serious with this B.S???

    Jay Cutler Sucks!  Mark Sanchez sucked so bad, Geno Smith a rookie took his starting spot.

    I'm from Atlanta, Matt Ryan sucks Azzzz!!!!

    Ryan Fitzpatrick? Sucks!

    Kyle Orton? Sucks!

    Man I could keep going, but my fingers are tired, haha.

    And as I said, when Russell Wilson (Black QB) is the reigning Super Bowl QB Champion.  Your question holds no water. 

    And also when majority of the league is Black making all the plays.  I have no idea what your even talking about.  Mostly all the running back, wide receivers, cornerbacks, linebackers all Black!

    I mean what you want?  Damn the Black man gotta run the ball, catch the ball, and throw the ball.  If there are some good White QB's that's great, let the White Man contribute and not watch the Black guys do everything sheesh

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:34 PM ET #58

    Quote Originally Posted by habs1:

    Vegas, majority of people are blind and cannot call it like it is.Bunch of uneducated morons.
    Just like  Vegas Vandal, who repeatedly bets against Jameis Winston because he's black. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by habs1:

    Vegas, majority of people are blind and cannot call it like it is.Bunch of uneducated morons.
    Just like  Vegas Vandal, who repeatedly bets against Jameis Winston because he's black. 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:35 PM ET #59

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:


    Short answer to your question: Because they repeatedly win championships at the college level. You must not make much money betting on college football if you're betting against QBs just because they're black . In your case, it's not ignorance - it's intentional stupidity, lol. 


    So your answer to why GM's draft black QB's is because they won championships in college? That's your big explanation??
     lmao you can't be this dense can you?


    Well that's it folks Sherlock cracked the case. We can all stop debating now.


     Here's your sign:

    Not the kind of intelligence I expected from a graduate of Trinidad and Tobago University. Figured you guys would only be a step down from Ivy league caliber.
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    Short answer to your question: Because they repeatedly win championships at the college level. You must not make much money betting on college football if you're betting against QBs just because they're black . In your case, it's not ignorance - it's intentional stupidity, lol. 


    So your answer to why GM's draft black QB's is because they won championships in college? That's your big explanation??
     lmao you can't be this dense can you?


    Well that's it folks Sherlock cracked the case. We can all stop debating now.


     Here's your sign:

    Not the kind of intelligence I expected from a graduate of Trinidad and Tobago University. Figured you guys would only be a step down from Ivy league caliber.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:38 PM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Just like  Vegas Vandal, who repeatedly bets against Jameis Winston because he's black. 


    Right.,.... which is why I had my only triple unit play of the year on Florida State -3 against Louisville when everyone said I was crazy......I can show the thread but you'll probably just continue to spew nonsense out of your back hatch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Just like  Vegas Vandal, who repeatedly bets against Jameis Winston because he's black. 


    Right.,.... which is why I had my only triple unit play of the year on Florida State -3 against Louisville when everyone said I was crazy......I can show the thread but you'll probably just continue to spew nonsense out of your back hatch
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:38 PM ET #62

    Vegas Vandal's ego is dominated by the irrefutable fact that Phil Ivey has a far better understanding of EV than Vegas Vandal ever will. (Pssst: It's because Ivey's black.) 
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:44 PM ET #63

    Quote Originally Posted by ATLGettinPaper:

     

    Russell Wilson just let his team to a super bowl.  He's Black!  Your argument is null and void, LMFAO!!  Are you serious with this B.S???

    Jay Cutler Sucks!  Mark Sanchez sucked so bad, Geno Smith a rookie took his starting spot.

    I'm from Atlanta, Matt Ryan sucks Azzzz!!!!

    Ryan Fitzpatrick? Sucks!

    Kyle Orton? Sucks!

    Man I could keep going, but my fingers are tired, haha.

    And as I said, when Russell Wilson (Black QB) is the reigning Super Bowl QB Champion.  Your question holds no water. 

    And also when majority of the league is Black making all the plays.  I have no idea what your even talking about.  Mostly all the running back, wide receivers, cornerbacks, linebackers all Black!

    I mean what you want?  Damn the Black man gotta run the ball, catch the ball, and throw the ball.  If there are some good White QB's that's great, let the White Man contribute and not watch the Black guys do everything sheesh



    your argument looked to hold some water until you exposed the true crux of your argument that you are offended by the reality of black QB's relative lack of success in the NFL. So then you twist it and are now contending that the white race is inferior in the NFL? Doesn't make ya look too bright

    Of course there are a lot of black players playing other positions in the league....what's that have to do with what I  am talking about?Did you not even read anything I wrote....hope you have other strengths because reading comprehension definitely isn't one of them
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATLGettinPaper:

     

    Russell Wilson just let his team to a super bowl.  He's Black!  Your argument is null and void, LMFAO!!  Are you serious with this B.S???

    Jay Cutler Sucks!  Mark Sanchez sucked so bad, Geno Smith a rookie took his starting spot.

    I'm from Atlanta, Matt Ryan sucks Azzzz!!!!

    Ryan Fitzpatrick? Sucks!

    Kyle Orton? Sucks!

    Man I could keep going, but my fingers are tired, haha.

    And as I said, when Russell Wilson (Black QB) is the reigning Super Bowl QB Champion.  Your question holds no water. 

    And also when majority of the league is Black making all the plays.  I have no idea what your even talking about.  Mostly all the running back, wide receivers, cornerbacks, linebackers all Black!

    I mean what you want?  Damn the Black man gotta run the ball, catch the ball, and throw the ball.  If there are some good White QB's that's great, let the White Man contribute and not watch the Black guys do everything sheesh



    your argument looked to hold some water until you exposed the true crux of your argument that you are offended by the reality of black QB's relative lack of success in the NFL. So then you twist it and are now contending that the white race is inferior in the NFL? Doesn't make ya look too bright

    Of course there are a lot of black players playing other positions in the league....what's that have to do with what I  am talking about?Did you not even read anything I wrote....hope you have other strengths because reading comprehension definitely isn't one of them
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:46 PM ET #64

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:



    Yes any white person who portrays himself as a thug is a disgrace to my race too. Especially as a pro athlete, you should hold yourself to a higher standard.

    I don't like his antics either but I sure didn't see you having a thread asking the same question about other races. It's not like nothing stupid ever said or done by other races.

    Again, if a QB sucks, he just sucks. The question is why the intelligence/skin color factor always come into play only when black Qbs not performing? It has nothing to do with PC, it's just common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:



    Yes any white person who portrays himself as a thug is a disgrace to my race too. Especially as a pro athlete, you should hold yourself to a higher standard.

    I don't like his antics either but I sure didn't see you having a thread asking the same question about other races. It's not like nothing stupid ever said or done by other races.

    Again, if a QB sucks, he just sucks. The question is why the intelligence/skin color factor always come into play only when black Qbs not performing? It has nothing to do with PC, it's just common sense.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:47 PM ET #65

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:



    So your answer to why GM's draft black QB's is because they won championships in college? That's your big explanation??
     lmao you can't be this dense can you?


    Well that's it folks Sherlock cracked the case. We can all stop debating now.


     Here's your sign:

    Not the kind of intelligence I expected from a graduate of Trinidad and Tobago University. Figured you guys would only be a step down from Ivy league caliber.

    Yes, that's right folks - Vegas Vandal is actually arguing that past performance is not a factor that teams consider in attempting to predict future performance.  According to this genius right here, teams should never consider past performance when deciding who to draft. 

    The only explanation for reasoning this poor is that Vegas Vandal had sooooo much spooge  pumped into his brain during that last stint in county, that it's starting to affect his thinking! 

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:



    So your answer to why GM's draft black QB's is because they won championships in college? That's your big explanation??
     lmao you can't be this dense can you?


    Well that's it folks Sherlock cracked the case. We can all stop debating now.


     Here's your sign:

    Not the kind of intelligence I expected from a graduate of Trinidad and Tobago University. Figured you guys would only be a step down from Ivy league caliber.

    Yes, that's right folks - Vegas Vandal is actually arguing that past performance is not a factor that teams consider in attempting to predict future performance.  According to this genius right here, teams should never consider past performance when deciding who to draft. 

    The only explanation for reasoning this poor is that Vegas Vandal had sooooo much spooge  pumped into his brain during that last stint in county, that it's starting to affect his thinking! 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:51 PM ET #66

     Wilson is like jeter..... a swirl, half and half.... and he is leaning towards the white side. when he speaks he sounds white, he doesn't sound like a fuc king idiot like marshaun lynch who leans toward the dumber side
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     Wilson is like jeter..... a swirl, half and half.... and he is leaning towards the white side. when he speaks he sounds white, he doesn't sound like a fuc king idiot like marshaun lynch who leans toward the dumber side
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:52 PM ET #67

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:



    Yes any white person who portrays himself as a thug is a disgrace to my race too. Especially as a pro athlete, you should hold yourself to a higher standard.

    Then why do you think that Ben Rapemorefurburger is a better quarterback than every black QB to ever play the game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:



    Yes any white person who portrays himself as a thug is a disgrace to my race too. Especially as a pro athlete, you should hold yourself to a higher standard.

    Then why do you think that Ben Rapemorefurburger is a better quarterback than every black QB to ever play the game?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:54 PM ET #68

    you are stupid clown and racist and too tawouin to read this,vien faire un tour ici dans ma cour et vien me dire ça devant moi que les qb sont moin  bon mon gros innocent ,use Google  for this
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    you are stupid clown and racist and too tawouin to read this,vien faire un tour ici dans ma cour et vien me dire ça devant moi que les qb sont moin  bon mon gros innocent ,use Google  for this
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:58 PM ET #69

    Quote Originally Posted by bunny651:

    I don't like his antics either but I sure didn't see you having a thread asking the same question about other races. It's not like nothing stupid ever said or done by other races.

    Again, if a QB sucks, he just sucks. The question is why the intelligence/skin color factor always come into play only when black Qbs not performing? It has nothing to do with PC, it's just common sense.

     

    Exactly!  And as I said, why does this dude not question White QB's?

    Look what Jay Cutler did last week, so why not say he sucks because he's White?

    Vegas Vandal is a Racist if I ever saw one.  You can't reason with people like this.  Racism has no "Logic" or "Reason" to it.  So it's pointless arguing with someone like this.  Let them stew at home in their ignorance.  And just be happy your not him.  Cause this guy probably thinks racists thoughts ever second of his life, and can't even enjoy his life, because he just thinks this stuff 24/7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bunny651:

    I don't like his antics either but I sure didn't see you having a thread asking the same question about other races. It's not like nothing stupid ever said or done by other races.

    Again, if a QB sucks, he just sucks. The question is why the intelligence/skin color factor always come into play only when black Qbs not performing? It has nothing to do with PC, it's just common sense.

     

    Exactly!  And as I said, why does this dude not question White QB's?

    Look what Jay Cutler did last week, so why not say he sucks because he's White?

    Vegas Vandal is a Racist if I ever saw one.  You can't reason with people like this.  Racism has no "Logic" or "Reason" to it.  So it's pointless arguing with someone like this.  Let them stew at home in their ignorance.  And just be happy your not him.  Cause this guy probably thinks racists thoughts ever second of his life, and can't even enjoy his life, because he just thinks this stuff 24/7.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2014 - 12:01 AM ET #70

    What about mexicans. Nows a good night to talk about mexican qb's

    lmfao OP is a fukkin idiot
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    What about mexicans. Nows a good night to talk about mexican qb's

    lmfao OP is a fukkin idiot
     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2014 - 12:04 AM ET #71

    For you guys thinking Wilson, Phil Ivey and I will throw in Tiger woods are black, just go to some gang area in L.A. and see if they would be allowed in their little organization.They would be called spiks. Gettin off topic. What a s h i t t y game.
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    For you guys thinking Wilson, Phil Ivey and I will throw in Tiger woods are black, just go to some gang area in L.A. and see if they would be allowed in their little organization.They would be called spiks. Gettin off topic. What a s h i t t y game.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2014 - 12:16 AM ET #72

    There's a handful of good Black QB's in the NFL.. Warren moon, Randal Cunningham, Steve McNair, mcnab.. But not a lot because the ideal QB in the nfl is a pocket QB. A lot of these younger black QB although they're more quick and athletic, but most of them are not pocket QB's.

    Guys like Kap and Wilson are obviously quick and athletic. . But just need to work on being better passers inside the pocket and not always rely on the rush as much. But only to avoid sacks only when they have to.. Having said that's warren moon is my fave black QB of all time
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    There's a handful of good Black QB's in the NFL.. Warren moon, Randal Cunningham, Steve McNair, mcnab.. But not a lot because the ideal QB in the nfl is a pocket QB. A lot of these younger black QB although they're more quick and athletic, but most of them are not pocket QB's.

    Guys like Kap and Wilson are obviously quick and athletic. . But just need to work on being better passers inside the pocket and not always rely on the rush as much. But only to avoid sacks only when they have to.. Having said that's warren moon is my fave black QB of all time
     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2014 - 12:19 AM ET #73

    Wow ATL, accusing someone as a racist is pretty bold.Something that started out as a harmless question turns out to be a lynching. Just take a deep breath and admit you were wrong and everything will be cool. We are `all brothers on here with the same objective. Kill the bookies.
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    Wow ATL, accusing someone as a racist is pretty bold.Something that started out as a harmless question turns out to be a lynching. Just take a deep breath and admit you were wrong and everything will be cool. We are `all brothers on here with the same objective. Kill the bookies.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2014 - 12:29 AM ET #74

    100% of Mexican QB's will excel at home games on MNF coming off a bye playing against a sub .500 team also coming off a bye.


    PS: I heard sanchez is 1/32 black

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    100% of Mexican QB's will excel at home games on MNF coming off a bye playing against a sub .500 team also coming off a bye.


    PS: I heard sanchez is 1/32 black

     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2014 - 12:39 AM ET #75

    Boys lets not get personal. One thing i learned in life is to never ever dis someones mama, sis, daughter or old lady. Thems crossing the line.
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    Boys lets not get personal. One thing i learned in life is to never ever dis someones mama, sis, daughter or old lady. Thems crossing the line.
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