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    Honest question and not trying to be racist: Why do GM's draft black QB's to run the team?

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    VegasVandal
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:11 PM ET #1

    To me it doesnt match the sharpe ratio that they should be looking at when making these decisions. The statistical likelihood of that player turning out to be a franchise QB is extremely low. This is again nothing against blacks but they just don't have the IT factor that other QB's have and it has been proven time and time again throughout history. The last black QB I can remember that was truly special (and I met him through my church when I was a kid. Great guy) was Randall Cunningham. Vick had some flashes of being great in his youngin days but other than that its a losing proposition.

    So If I am correct then why do GM's continue to do this when they no it has a huge negative EV??
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    To me it doesnt match the sharpe ratio that they should be looking at when making these decisions. The statistical likelihood of that player turning out to be a franchise QB is extremely low. This is again nothing against blacks but they just don't have the IT factor that other QB's have and it has been proven time and time again throughout history. The last black QB I can remember that was truly special (and I met him through my church when I was a kid. Great guy) was Randall Cunningham. Vick had some flashes of being great in his youngin days but other than that its a losing proposition.

    So If I am correct then why do GM's continue to do this when they no it has a huge negative EV??
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:13 PM ET #2

    No idea. Jamarcus Russell anyone?

    Cam clearly has the i don't give a fuk let me go smoke a blunt mentality tonight
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    No idea. Jamarcus Russell anyone?

    Cam clearly has the i don't give a fuk let me go smoke a blunt mentality tonight
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:18 PM ET #3

    In college they look superior playing against other kids,when you hit the NFL you need more than athletic ability.
    There is no 100% cappers in the world
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    In college they look superior playing against other kids,when you hit the NFL you need more than athletic ability.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:22 PM ET #4

    Your current Super Bowl Champion QB is black.  End Thread.
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    Your current Super Bowl Champion QB is black.  End Thread.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:22 PM ET #5

    Steve McNair was pretty damn good. RIP Steve.
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    Steve McNair was pretty damn good. RIP Steve.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:25 PM ET #6

    agree with scorpio...they are kings in the spread when you dont have to read defenses... 

    I read somewhere that 80% of all college QBs are black but still after the draft ...80% of all pro QBs are White..Id say that's close to accurate..
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    agree with scorpio...they are kings in the spread when you dont have to read defenses... 

    I read somewhere that 80% of all college QBs are black but still after the draft ...80% of all pro QBs are White..Id say that's close to accurate..
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:27 PM ET #7

    So what does race have to do with it? If you're saying blacks cant play QB then while you might not be trying you are definitely racist
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    So what does race have to do with it? If you're saying blacks cant play QB then while you might not be trying you are definitely racist
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:27 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by OGHowie282:

    Your current Super Bowl Champion QB is black.  End Thread.


    I said "black" QB not amaretto


    and to the previous guy I forgot about steve mcnair good call there
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    Quote Originally Posted by OGHowie282:

    Your current Super Bowl Champion QB is black.  End Thread.


    I said "black" QB not amaretto


    and to the previous guy I forgot about steve mcnair good call there
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:29 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by KingScorpio:

    In college they look superior playing against other kids,when you hit the NFL you need more than athletic ability.


    exactly how i feel. I am not against drafting a black QB but I am just baffled by the GM's that continue to draft them in the first round like they have the possibility of being next steve young.

    Where is the moneyball mentality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingScorpio:

    In college they look superior playing against other kids,when you hit the NFL you need more than athletic ability.


    exactly how i feel. I am not against drafting a black QB but I am just baffled by the GM's that continue to draft them in the first round like they have the possibility of being next steve young.

    Where is the moneyball mentality?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:29 PM ET #10

    Russell Wilson is mix.  Doesn't count as "PURE"
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:30 PM ET #11

    McNabb was legit
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:30 PM ET #12

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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:30 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by nikki_santoro:

    agree with scorpio...they are kings in the spread when you dont have to read defenses... 

    I read somewhere that 80% of all college QBs are black but still after the draft ...80% of all pro QBs are White..Id say that's close to accurate..
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikki_santoro:

    agree with scorpio...they are kings in the spread when you dont have to read defenses... 

    I read somewhere that 80% of all college QBs are black but still after the draft ...80% of all pro QBs are White..Id say that's close to accurate..
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:30 PM ET #14

    Nothing to do with black or white. It has to do with running qbs. They dont work in nfl. Russel wilson is different cuz he can deliver ball from pocket as well
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    Nothing to do with black or white. It has to do with running qbs. They dont work in nfl. Russel wilson is different cuz he can deliver ball from pocket as well
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:30 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Kung:

    So what does race have to do with it? If you're saying blacks cant play QB then while you might not be trying you are definitely racist


    then the entire point of what I said went way over your head. I am a realist and so too should be the owners
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kung:

    So what does race have to do with it? If you're saying blacks cant play QB then while you might not be trying you are definitely racist


    then the entire point of what I said went way over your head. I am a realist and so too should be the owners
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:31 PM ET #16

    I think it has to do with the idea of selling tickets....bring in the dynamic black QB who can sell jerseys and tickets...it's all a business...Jerry jones said it himself...how much are you willing to write on that check book to win the superbowl? 
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    I think it has to do with the idea of selling tickets....bring in the dynamic black QB who can sell jerseys and tickets...it's all a business...Jerry jones said it himself...how much are you willing to write on that check book to win the superbowl? 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:32 PM ET #17

    <<<And soon to be this guy
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:32 PM ET #18

    Damn was thinking same thing wow and Steve McNair was good for few years that's it don't give him all that credit just cuz he's dead and Russell Wilson is white or lol he acts educated like one
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    Damn was thinking same thing wow and Steve McNair was good for few years that's it don't give him all that credit just cuz he's dead and Russell Wilson is white or lol he acts educated like one
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:35 PM ET #19

    Bridge water  will not do nothing watch and see once he is fig out he will be Vick Newton etc but I do see why there drafted amazing in practice amazing arms and look so great athletically there just not qbs simple as that nothing to do with race
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    Bridge water  will not do nothing watch and see once he is fig out he will be Vick Newton etc but I do see why there drafted amazing in practice amazing arms and look so great athletically there just not qbs simple as that nothing to do with race
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:35 PM ET #20

    Through out the history?

    There weren't many opportunities really given to them until last 2 decades or so and it wasn't a huge supply starting from high-school level back then. Well, high school-- College-- Pros.

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    Through out the history?

    There weren't many opportunities really given to them until last 2 decades or so and it wasn't a huge supply starting from high-school level back then. Well, high school-- College-- Pros.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:38 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:



    I said "black" QB not amaretto


    and to the previous guy I forgot about steve mcnair good call there

     

    Wilson is 99% or more in terms of being an African American. Look it up since it's not hard to find but I remember you even once said he's half white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:



    I said "black" QB not amaretto


    and to the previous guy I forgot about steve mcnair good call there

     

    Wilson is 99% or more in terms of being an African American. Look it up since it's not hard to find but I remember you even once said he's half white.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:40 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by 1loser1:

    Bridge water  will not do nothing watch and see once he is fig out he will be Vick Newton etc but I do see why there drafted amazing in practice amazing arms and look so great athletically there just not qbs simple as that nothing to do with race



    Figure out what?  The kid was calling audibles at the line as a sophomore in college.  He goes through progressions and has played a pro-style offense for years now.  He isn't the spread QB others have discussed here.  He ran alot the 1st 2 games in his NFL career because the game was extremely fast for him.  It is slowing down now and he is becoming more like in college.  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1loser1:

    Bridge water  will not do nothing watch and see once he is fig out he will be Vick Newton etc but I do see why there drafted amazing in practice amazing arms and look so great athletically there just not qbs simple as that nothing to do with race



    Figure out what?  The kid was calling audibles at the line as a sophomore in college.  He goes through progressions and has played a pro-style offense for years now.  He isn't the spread QB others have discussed here.  He ran alot the 1st 2 games in his NFL career because the game was extremely fast for him.  It is slowing down now and he is becoming more like in college.  

     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:41 PM ET #23

    Doug Williams only black Q.B. to win superbowl.Take a look at the great ones today. Not 1 in top 20. Brady, luck the Mannings, Brees, Foles,Cutler,Rivers,Stafford,and look tonite, even sanchez looks not bad. And the list goes on. If you cannot admit this stat it is not racist it is a fact. Get your head out of the sand you dummies.
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    Doug Williams only black Q.B. to win superbowl.Take a look at the great ones today. Not 1 in top 20. Brady, luck the Mannings, Brees, Foles,Cutler,Rivers,Stafford,and look tonite, even sanchez looks not bad. And the list goes on. If you cannot admit this stat it is not racist it is a fact. Get your head out of the sand you dummies.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:41 PM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by AFNfootballnerd:

    I think it has to do with the idea of selling tickets....bring in the dynamic black QB who can sell jerseys and tickets...it's all a business...Jerry jones said it himself...how much are you willing to write on that check book to win the superbowl? 

    Exactly, it's the market dynamics and getting similar to what is known as the NBA.  Let's see.....2013 NFL player census = 67% Black; 28% White & 5% other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFNfootballnerd:

    I think it has to do with the idea of selling tickets....bring in the dynamic black QB who can sell jerseys and tickets...it's all a business...Jerry jones said it himself...how much are you willing to write on that check book to win the superbowl? 

    Exactly, it's the market dynamics and getting similar to what is known as the NBA.  Let's see.....2013 NFL player census = 67% Black; 28% White & 5% other.
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:43 PM ET #25

    for the most part black & white football players have different skill sets. Of course there are exceptions but most fall under these skill sets. Your best Rbs and DBs are black, Your best QBs are white. OL tend to be white while DL tend to be black. Most all kickers are white. It's not being racist to state the obvious! 
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    for the most part black & white football players have different skill sets. Of course there are exceptions but most fall under these skill sets. Your best Rbs and DBs are black, Your best QBs are white. OL tend to be white while DL tend to be black. Most all kickers are white. It's not being racist to state the obvious! 
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