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    Honest question and not trying to be racist: Why do GM's draft black QB's to run the team?

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    begginerboy
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:44 PM ET #26

    It's not about race, man, it's about athletic ability. Black QB's (because they are often gifted athletes) seem to rely on their athletic ability over and against their intellect (which can work against them). That's not to say all black QB's do this (for example, Russell Wilson is very cerebral), nor is it to say that there are not physically gifted white QB's who don't do the same thing (i.e., rely on their athleticism and arm strength instead of using their wiles and intellect). Just look at Cutler or Romo or even a Dan Marino (with his quick release). These guys were/are not the most disciplined guys, and I think some of that has to do with the fact that they can do things with their arms/legs that most can't do. 
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    It's not about race, man, it's about athletic ability. Black QB's (because they are often gifted athletes) seem to rely on their athletic ability over and against their intellect (which can work against them). That's not to say all black QB's do this (for example, Russell Wilson is very cerebral), nor is it to say that there are not physically gifted white QB's who don't do the same thing (i.e., rely on their athleticism and arm strength instead of using their wiles and intellect). Just look at Cutler or Romo or even a Dan Marino (with his quick release). These guys were/are not the most disciplined guys, and I think some of that has to do with the fact that they can do things with their arms/legs that most can't do. 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:45 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by ccbulldog:

    for the most part black & white football players have different skill sets. Of course there are exceptions but most fall under these skill sets. Your best Rbs and DBs are black, Your best QBs are white. OL tend to be white while DL tend to be black. Most all kickers are white. It's not being racist to state the obvious! 

    Reggie Roby was an anomaly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccbulldog:

    for the most part black & white football players have different skill sets. Of course there are exceptions but most fall under these skill sets. Your best Rbs and DBs are black, Your best QBs are white. OL tend to be white while DL tend to be black. Most all kickers are white. It's not being racist to state the obvious! 

    Reggie Roby was an anomaly.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:46 PM ET #28

    Ok bunny no need to play the race card and get bent outa shape. Everyone sees it but i guess u cant bring it up and discuss it or its racist.... This world is a joke. Newton sux rg3 sux geno sux vick sux kapernick sux manuel sux. So i guess just ignore the fact that they suck cuz its racist??? Really who gives a shitt. Anyone who cries racism in my eyes is the real racist. Maybe its a coincidence they all suck but lets not ignore the elephant in the room
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    Ok bunny no need to play the race card and get bent outa shape. Everyone sees it but i guess u cant bring it up and discuss it or its racist.... This world is a joke. Newton sux rg3 sux geno sux vick sux kapernick sux manuel sux. So i guess just ignore the fact that they suck cuz its racist??? Really who gives a shitt. Anyone who cries racism in my eyes is the real racist. Maybe its a coincidence they all suck but lets not ignore the elephant in the room
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:50 PM ET #29

    rac·ist
    'ras?st/
    noun
    1. 1.
      a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
      synonyms:racial bigot, racialist, xenophobe, chauvinist, supremacist More
    adjective
    1. 1.
      having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another.
      "we are investigating complaints about racist abuse at the club"
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    rac·ist
    'ras?st/
    noun
    1. 1.
      a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
      synonyms:racial bigot, racialist, xenophobe, chauvinist, supremacist More
    adjective
    1. 1.
      having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another.
      "we are investigating complaints about racist abuse at the club"
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:52 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

    To me it doesnt match the
    sharpe ratio that they should be looking at when making these decisions. The statistical likelihood of that player turning out to be a franchise QB is extremely low. This is again nothing against blacks but they just don't have the IT factor that other QB's have and it has been proven time and time again throughout history. The last black QB I can remember that was truly special (and I met him through my church when I was a kid. Great guy) was Randall Cunningham. Vick had some flashes of being great in his youngin days but other than that its a losing proposition. So If I am correct then why do GM's continue to do this when they no it has a huge negative EV??


    Please look up "affirmative action." And btw, I hope the GM drafts Mariota instead of Winston. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

    To me it doesnt match the
    sharpe ratio that they should be looking at when making these decisions. The statistical likelihood of that player turning out to be a franchise QB is extremely low. This is again nothing against blacks but they just don't have the IT factor that other QB's have and it has been proven time and time again throughout history. The last black QB I can remember that was truly special (and I met him through my church when I was a kid. Great guy) was Randall Cunningham. Vick had some flashes of being great in his youngin days but other than that its a losing proposition. So If I am correct then why do GM's continue to do this when they no it has a huge negative EV??


    Please look up "affirmative action." And btw, I hope the GM drafts Mariota instead of Winston. Lol
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:52 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by 1loser1:

    Damn was thinking same thing wow and Steve McNair was good for few years that's it don't give him all that credit just cuz he's dead and Russell Wilson is white or lol he acts educated like one


    If good for a few years means damn near beating the "Greatest Show on Turf" in the Super Bowl, winning an MVP, constanty playing injured including with a broken sternum, keeping up with the good Peyton Manning in the division, playing his butt off for a complete d!ck in Bud Adams, and moving an inept franchise out of Houston and taking them to said Super Bowl then yeah, he was good for a few years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1loser1:

    Damn was thinking same thing wow and Steve McNair was good for few years that's it don't give him all that credit just cuz he's dead and Russell Wilson is white or lol he acts educated like one


    If good for a few years means damn near beating the "Greatest Show on Turf" in the Super Bowl, winning an MVP, constanty playing injured including with a broken sternum, keeping up with the good Peyton Manning in the division, playing his butt off for a complete d!ck in Bud Adams, and moving an inept franchise out of Houston and taking them to said Super Bowl then yeah, he was good for a few years.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:54 PM ET #32

    This is dumb.

    You're comparing a handful of black qbs drafted into the nfl, with the zillion white qbs. I can think of a zillion terrible white qbs.  Countless. Obviously if you have a larger sample of white qbs, you're going to have a larger amount of ones that are successful.

    But the orginal poster, much like most of you retards is too dumb to realize that. 

    I deal with people like you on a daily basis.


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    This is dumb.

    You're comparing a handful of black qbs drafted into the nfl, with the zillion white qbs. I can think of a zillion terrible white qbs.  Countless. Obviously if you have a larger sample of white qbs, you're going to have a larger amount of ones that are successful.

    But the orginal poster, much like most of you retards is too dumb to realize that. 

    I deal with people like you on a daily basis.


     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 10:57 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by habs1:

    Doug Williams only black Q.B. to win superbowl.Take a look at the great ones today. Not 1 in top 20. Brady, luck the Mannings, Brees, Foles,Cutler,Rivers,Stafford,and look tonite, even sanchez looks not bad. And the list goes on. If you cannot admit this stat it is not racist it is a fact. Get your head out of the sand you dummies.

    You lost me on Jay Cutler lmfao.  Don't even mention him in the same paragraph as Brady, Manning, or Brees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by habs1:

    Doug Williams only black Q.B. to win superbowl.Take a look at the great ones today. Not 1 in top 20. Brady, luck the Mannings, Brees, Foles,Cutler,Rivers,Stafford,and look tonite, even sanchez looks not bad. And the list goes on. If you cannot admit this stat it is not racist it is a fact. Get your head out of the sand you dummies.

    You lost me on Jay Cutler lmfao.  Don't even mention him in the same paragraph as Brady, Manning, or Brees.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:02 PM ET #34

    you should never ever post again you D8mb F*ck... you are so bent you bet on Carolina and now your blaming a black QB...??? you stupid ignorant Douche bag... 

    i expect nothing less from an Oakland A's fan... trash
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    you should never ever post again you D8mb F*ck... you are so bent you bet on Carolina and now your blaming a black QB...??? you stupid ignorant Douche bag... 

    i expect nothing less from an Oakland A's fan... trash
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:04 PM ET #35

    https://www.besttickets.com/blog/nfl-player-census-2014/

    Interesting player census info.  I guess it's safe to say that the poster "Kung" hates MN Vikings since the most amount of White players in the league.
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    https://www.besttickets.com/blog/nfl-player-census-2014/

    Interesting player census info.  I guess it's safe to say that the poster "Kung" hates MN Vikings since the most amount of White players in the league.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:06 PM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by KobezKing:

    Ok bunny no need to play the race card and get bent outa shape. Everyone sees it but i guess u cant bring it up and discuss it or its racist.... This world is a joke. Newton sux rg3 sux geno sux vick sux kapernick sux manuel sux. So i guess just ignore the fact that they suck cuz its racist??? Really who gives a shitt. Anyone who cries racism in my eyes is the real racist. Maybe its a coincidence they all suck but lets not ignore the elephant in the room

    Calm down, I didn't say anyone having those views are automatically racists. People could have well-intentions yet misguided. It seems you are the one that get bent out of sharp because as usual, you only want to hear what you want to hear. You shouldn't be accusing others playing the "race" card when you don't have a clue what they are talking about.

    I don't believe one race is more intelligent or born more equipped to play the position. The QB situation has everything to do with socioeconomic issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KobezKing:

    Ok bunny no need to play the race card and get bent outa shape. Everyone sees it but i guess u cant bring it up and discuss it or its racist.... This world is a joke. Newton sux rg3 sux geno sux vick sux kapernick sux manuel sux. So i guess just ignore the fact that they suck cuz its racist??? Really who gives a shitt. Anyone who cries racism in my eyes is the real racist. Maybe its a coincidence they all suck but lets not ignore the elephant in the room

    Calm down, I didn't say anyone having those views are automatically racists. People could have well-intentions yet misguided. It seems you are the one that get bent out of sharp because as usual, you only want to hear what you want to hear. You shouldn't be accusing others playing the "race" card when you don't have a clue what they are talking about.

    I don't believe one race is more intelligent or born more equipped to play the position. The QB situation has everything to do with socioeconomic issues.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:09 PM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by KobezKing:

    Ok bunny no need to play the race card and get bent outa shape. Everyone sees it but i guess u cant bring it up and discuss it or its racist.... This world is a joke. Newton sux rg3 sux geno sux vick sux kapernick sux manuel sux. So i guess just ignore the fact that they suck cuz its racist??? Really who gives a shitt. Anyone who cries racism in my eyes is the real racist. Maybe its a coincidence they all suck but lets not ignore the elephant in the room



    Exactly. Kinda scary to see all the politically correct naysayers in here. unbelievable all the idealists in here who can't just see things how they are really are and ignore all the racism banter
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    Ok bunny no need to play the race card and get bent outa shape. Everyone sees it but i guess u cant bring it up and discuss it or its racist.... This world is a joke. Newton sux rg3 sux geno sux vick sux kapernick sux manuel sux. So i guess just ignore the fact that they suck cuz its racist??? Really who gives a shitt. Anyone who cries racism in my eyes is the real racist. Maybe its a coincidence they all suck but lets not ignore the elephant in the room



    Exactly. Kinda scary to see all the politically correct naysayers in here. unbelievable all the idealists in here who can't just see things how they are really are and ignore all the racism banter
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:12 PM ET #38

    Russell Wilson is BLACK. I dont care if he's mixed. If a pig pulls him over he is considered a n igger. Period. And he's a champion. To say a black person cant lead a team is BS. Donovan McNabb should have been a champ. He was one of the best QBs Eagles ever had.
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    Russell Wilson is BLACK. I dont care if he's mixed. If a pig pulls him over he is considered a n igger. Period. And he's a champion. To say a black person cant lead a team is BS. Donovan McNabb should have been a champ. He was one of the best QBs Eagles ever had.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:14 PM ET #39

    Kobez, I am sure it's just an oversight on your part to leave out names like, Ryan Leaf, David Carr, Matt Leinart, Rex Grossman, Brady Quinn, Kyle Boller....etc.

    If a QB sucks, he just sucks so take your own advice and don't play the race card.

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    Kobez, I am sure it's just an oversight on your part to leave out names like, Ryan Leaf, David Carr, Matt Leinart, Rex Grossman, Brady Quinn, Kyle Boller....etc.

    If a QB sucks, he just sucks so take your own advice and don't play the race card.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:15 PM ET #40

    For every black QB, there are nine Kevin Kolbs and one Steve Young. Still mad about betting on the Oakland A's, I take it. Must be tough to be an A's fan, considering their team is a perennial disappointment. 
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    For every black QB, there are nine Kevin Kolbs and one Steve Young. Still mad about betting on the Oakland A's, I take it. Must be tough to be an A's fan, considering their team is a perennial disappointment. 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:15 PM ET #41

    Quote Originally Posted by JDHERMOSA:

    you should never ever post again you D8mb F*ck... you are so bent you bet on Carolina and now your blaming a black QB...??? you stupid ignorant Douche bag... i expect nothing less from an Oakland A's fan... trash


    Not sure I have EVER read a more hypocritical paragraph than the above....
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    you should never ever post again you D8mb F*ck... you are so bent you bet on Carolina and now your blaming a black QB...??? you stupid ignorant Douche bag... i expect nothing less from an Oakland A's fan... trash


    Not sure I have EVER read a more hypocritical paragraph than the above....
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:15 PM ET #42

    Quote Originally Posted by theIntrospect:

    This is dumb.

    You're comparing a handful of black qbs drafted into the nfl, with the zillion white qbs. I can think of a zillion terrible white qbs.  Countless. Obviously if you have a larger sample of white qbs, you're going to have a larger amount of ones that are successful.

    But the orginal poster, much like most of you retards is too dumb to realize that. 

    I deal with people like you on a daily basis.




    So even when i preface this with " I am not being racist" people still have failed reading comprehension...smh

    And your argument is like saying "since there is not that many asian PG's in the NBA of course the black ones are gonna look like they are better than the asian ones"

    Ever thought maybe there is a reason behind why the sample is the way it is?

    or is reason too much to ask for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by theIntrospect:

    This is dumb.

    You're comparing a handful of black qbs drafted into the nfl, with the zillion white qbs. I can think of a zillion terrible white qbs.  Countless. Obviously if you have a larger sample of white qbs, you're going to have a larger amount of ones that are successful.

    But the orginal poster, much like most of you retards is too dumb to realize that. 

    I deal with people like you on a daily basis.




    So even when i preface this with " I am not being racist" people still have failed reading comprehension...smh

    And your argument is like saying "since there is not that many asian PG's in the NBA of course the black ones are gonna look like they are better than the asian ones"

    Ever thought maybe there is a reason behind why the sample is the way it is?

    or is reason too much to ask for?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:16 PM ET #43

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    For every black QB, there are nine Kevin Kolbs and one Steve Young. Still mad about betting on the Oakland A's, I take it. Must be tough to be an A's fan, considering their team is a perennial disappointment. 

    By the way, Billy Beane is still white, isn't he? Wow, great trade this summer! Why do they let that arsehat run the franchise? 
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    For every black QB, there are nine Kevin Kolbs and one Steve Young. Still mad about betting on the Oakland A's, I take it. Must be tough to be an A's fan, considering their team is a perennial disappointment. 

    By the way, Billy Beane is still white, isn't he? Wow, great trade this summer! Why do they let that arsehat run the franchise? 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:18 PM ET #44

    Quote Originally Posted by Julespussy:



    Not sure I have EVER read a more hypocritical paragraph than the above....


    never have I read a more ignorant and misinformed paragraph than above either
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julespussy:



    Not sure I have EVER read a more hypocritical paragraph than the above....


    never have I read a more ignorant and misinformed paragraph than above either
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:20 PM ET #45

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:




    Exactly. Kinda scary to see all the politically correct naysayers in here. unbelievable all the idealists in here who can't just see things how they are really are and ignore all the racism banter

     

    Says the person who actually started a thread asking how blacks feel about Richard Sherman being the "representative" of their race. It's scary indeed.

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    Exactly. Kinda scary to see all the politically correct naysayers in here. unbelievable all the idealists in here who can't just see things how they are really are and ignore all the racism banter

     

    Says the person who actually started a thread asking how blacks feel about Richard Sherman being the "representative" of their race. It's scary indeed.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:22 PM ET #46

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:




    Exactly. Kinda scary to see all the politically correct naysayers in here. unbelievable all the idealists in here who can't just see things how they are really are and ignore all the racism banter

    The scary thing is people like you actually bet your own money on spreads yet you don't have a grasp of fundamental statistics. 

    No idealism, just basic numbers.
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    Exactly. Kinda scary to see all the politically correct naysayers in here. unbelievable all the idealists in here who can't just see things how they are really are and ignore all the racism banter

    The scary thing is people like you actually bet your own money on spreads yet you don't have a grasp of fundamental statistics. 

    No idealism, just basic numbers.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:22 PM ET #47

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:



    never have I read a more ignorant and misinformed paragraph than above either

    You obviously don't read your own writing then. 
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    never have I read a more ignorant and misinformed paragraph than above either

    You obviously don't read your own writing then. 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:24 PM ET #48

    Black, green, white, blue, orange or red it doesn't matter.  Running QB's in the NFL will always have a tough time winning year in and out and winning Super Bowls.  The NFL is ideal for the pocket passer.  The game is to fast for a running QB.  They get the crap beat out of them.
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    Black, green, white, blue, orange or red it doesn't matter.  Running QB's in the NFL will always have a tough time winning year in and out and winning Super Bowls.  The NFL is ideal for the pocket passer.  The game is to fast for a running QB.  They get the crap beat out of them.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:24 PM ET #49

    Quote Originally Posted by TreyInventor:

    Russell Wilson is BLACK. I dont care if he's mixed. If a pig pulls him over he is considered a n igger. Period. And he's a champion. To say a black person cant lead a team is BS. Donovan McNabb should have been a champ. He was one of the best QBs Eagles ever had.

    Yup....this is sideways, too.  And why would a black or Hispanic or Asian or white cop treat Mr.Wilson in such an ill manner?  Please expand on this....we need more entertainment and further reason to be floored by your, hmmmmm, intelligence.
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    Russell Wilson is BLACK. I dont care if he's mixed. If a pig pulls him over he is considered a n igger. Period. And he's a champion. To say a black person cant lead a team is BS. Donovan McNabb should have been a champ. He was one of the best QBs Eagles ever had.

    Yup....this is sideways, too.  And why would a black or Hispanic or Asian or white cop treat Mr.Wilson in such an ill manner?  Please expand on this....we need more entertainment and further reason to be floored by your, hmmmmm, intelligence.
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2014 - 11:24 PM ET #50

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:


    You obviously don't read your own writing then. 

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    You obviously don't read your own writing then. 

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