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    Posted: Aug. 6, 2026 - 3:20 AM ET #51

    Let's not forget what Louisiana governor Jeff Landry said last May while visiting NUUK, Greenland.......

    Landry, following his appointment as special envoy earlier this year, said that Greenland could not remain secure unless it was taken over by the United States, citing the Monroe Doctrine as the current administration's justification for such actions.

    Only 897 Days.........................

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    Let's not forget what Louisiana governor Jeff Landry said last May while visiting NUUK, Greenland.......

    Landry, following his appointment as special envoy earlier this year, said that Greenland could not remain secure unless it was taken over by the United States, citing the Monroe Doctrine as the current administration's justification for such actions.

    Only 897 Days.........................

     
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    Posted: Aug. 6, 2026 - 4:07 PM ET #52

    @SarasotaSlim

     Greenland & Canada will be USA! It’s not a Trump or Republican thing, it’s a National Security & Financial Thing! National Security & Treasury = nothing will stop it! Furthermore Greenlanders & Canadians will experience an immediate improvement in life @ the expense of the American Taxpayers! But 50 years after USA, Canada, & Greenland will all be happy they did it.

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     Greenland & Canada will be USA! It’s not a Trump or Republican thing, it’s a National Security & Financial Thing! National Security & Treasury = nothing will stop it! Furthermore Greenlanders & Canadians will experience an immediate improvement in life @ the expense of the American Taxpayers! But 50 years after USA, Canada, & Greenland will all be happy they did it.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2026 - 3:27 AM ET #53

    AS of 08/17/26

     

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    Won't be long now ,,,till then...................................

    President Donald Trump has predicted that Greenland will be under U.S. control by the time he leaves office in January 2029.

     

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    AS of 08/17/26

     

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    Won't be long now ,,,till then...................................

    President Donald Trump has predicted that Greenland will be under U.S. control by the time he leaves office in January 2029.

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 18, 2026 - 11:43 PM ET #54

    AS of 08/17/26 

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    Donald Trump posted a map identifying the Strait of Hormuz as “new U.S. territory” on Tuesday, echoing a threat he made last week under the continued pressure of the key waterway’s contested nature.

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    AS of 08/17/26 

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    Donald Trump posted a map identifying the Strait of Hormuz as “new U.S. territory” on Tuesday, echoing a threat he made last week under the continued pressure of the key waterway’s contested nature.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2026 - 4:20 PM ET #55

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     Greenland is Easy Peasy all we have to do is bribe the locals to vote to be annexed! The locals are not happy or loyal to Denmark. Nobody can project Military Power in Greenland or Canada like the USA can.

    Greenland has been a goal for USA long before Trump entered Politics! Trump’s stealing the credit for Annexing Greenland! Setting up Rare Earth Mining in Greenland is easy because the Owner of the Mines in Greenland has been lobbying Trump since 2015 to invest in Greenland! Mining will be easy!

    Processing then Refining certain Rare Earth’s into Quality Refined Metals Profitably will be brutally hard! So far only the Chinese can do it!

    In fact even the Russians are weary of Rare Earth Refining to the point Russians are willing to partner with USA because they know it’s a money losing adventure.

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    @SarasotaSlim

     Greenland is Easy Peasy all we have to do is bribe the locals to vote to be annexed! The locals are not happy or loyal to Denmark. Nobody can project Military Power in Greenland or Canada like the USA can.

    Greenland has been a goal for USA long before Trump entered Politics! Trump’s stealing the credit for Annexing Greenland! Setting up Rare Earth Mining in Greenland is easy because the Owner of the Mines in Greenland has been lobbying Trump since 2015 to invest in Greenland! Mining will be easy!

    Processing then Refining certain Rare Earth’s into Quality Refined Metals Profitably will be brutally hard! So far only the Chinese can do it!

    In fact even the Russians are weary of Rare Earth Refining to the point Russians are willing to partner with USA because they know it’s a money losing adventure.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2026 - 8:50 PM ET #56

    AS of 08/17/26

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    Trump announced that any country that aids Iranian financial institutions, airports or businesses will face economic consequences.

    “This will be an ECONOMIC D-DAY,” Trump said.Oil smuggling, swap lines, cash transfers, exchange houses, ship registries, front companies — It all needs to stop NOW. 

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    AS of 08/17/26

    Countdown clock

    887days ,14 hrs, 2 mins, 26 secs

    Trump announced that any country that aids Iranian financial institutions, airports or businesses will face economic consequences.

    “This will be an ECONOMIC D-DAY,” Trump said.Oil smuggling, swap lines, cash transfers, exchange houses, ship registries, front companies — It all needs to stop NOW. 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 20, 2026 - 9:53 PM ET #57

    AS of 08/20/2026

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    Today resident Trump on how he would do in a 2028 Presidential Election.

    “If I were running today, I think I'd win by 25 points,” he continued. “I think we'd win by a lot. The economy has never been stronger. We're doing numbers that nobody's ever seen before. I agree..

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    AS of 08/20/2026

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    Today resident Trump on how he would do in a 2028 Presidential Election.

    “If I were running today, I think I'd win by 25 points,” he continued. “I think we'd win by a lot. The economy has never been stronger. We're doing numbers that nobody's ever seen before. I agree..

     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2026 - 1:05 AM ET #58

    AS of 08/24/2026

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    The Trump administration is preparing to revoke the business and tourism visas of up to 200,000 foreigners who have applied for or are currently seeking asylum status in the United States. If it happens, the move would be the largest single mass revocation of visas in U.S. history and would likely face legal challenges.

    In the past 18 months, the State Department has revoked about 175,000 visas for people who have been convicted or accused of crimes ranging from drunken driving to rape and robbery,

    Don't forget those people who have spoken out publicly against U.S. policies, particularly in the Middle East.

    Get'em out of here....................... 

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    AS of 08/24/2026

    Countdown clock

    880days ,2 hrs, 32 mins, 26 secs

    The Trump administration is preparing to revoke the business and tourism visas of up to 200,000 foreigners who have applied for or are currently seeking asylum status in the United States. If it happens, the move would be the largest single mass revocation of visas in U.S. history and would likely face legal challenges.

    In the past 18 months, the State Department has revoked about 175,000 visas for people who have been convicted or accused of crimes ranging from drunken driving to rape and robbery,

    Don't forget those people who have spoken out publicly against U.S. policies, particularly in the Middle East.

    Get'em out of here....................... 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2026 - 1:53 PM ET #59

                              AS of 08/26/2026 

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       President Donald Trump ordered American flags lowered across the United States for one week Tuesday, as he mourned the death of country music icon Dolly Parton,

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                              AS of 08/26/2026 

    Countdown clock

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       President Donald Trump ordered American flags lowered across the United States for one week Tuesday, as he mourned the death of country music icon Dolly Parton,

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2026 - 4:39 PM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    AS of 08/20/2026 Countdown clock 884 days ,5 hrs, 12 mins, 36 secs   Today resident Trump on how he would do in a 2028 Presidential Election. “If I were running today, I think I'd win by 25 points,” he continued. “I think we'd win by a lot. The economy has never been stronger. We're doing numbers that nobody's ever seen before. I agree..
    30% approval rating and would win by 25 points.peace_5  He did end war in Russia in a week and only took two weeks to end war he started in Iran, possibly I don’t understand mathin as good as he does.  Shin splints are a bitch.  So is raping kids.peace_5

    We should stop eating bananas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    AS of 08/20/2026 Countdown clock 884 days ,5 hrs, 12 mins, 36 secs   Today resident Trump on how he would do in a 2028 Presidential Election. “If I were running today, I think I'd win by 25 points,” he continued. “I think we'd win by a lot. The economy has never been stronger. We're doing numbers that nobody's ever seen before. I agree..
    30% approval rating and would win by 25 points.peace_5  He did end war in Russia in a week and only took two weeks to end war he started in Iran, possibly I don’t understand mathin as good as he does.  Shin splints are a bitch.  So is raping kids.peace_5

     
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    Posted: Aug. 27, 2026 - 4:31 PM ET #61

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     Trump is distracting Everyone = USA citizens so they ignore Technology CapEx & the WEAK Bond Market!

    USA is betting it ALL on the Tech CapEX! BETTING IT ALL!

    The Entire Global Economy is attached to USA Technology Spending & Investment, if that spending slows too much it HURTS the USA economic system & the Global Financial System!

    We ARE NOW ALL IN TOO Late the reverse course!

    Had USA Citizens payed attention to what Matters WE COULD’VE Considered other OPTIONS but no Dumb dumbs in the USA had to GET CAUGHT UP IN the DRAMA Created By Trump & we missed it!

    BIG PICTURE TRUMP is a Live action role play = LARP, HE’s a TRUMAN Show!

     

    USA has a bond Problem! Nobody wants to buy USA Bonds = USA cannot borrow money! So the USA had to get Creative! We decided to GROW our WAY out of the Problem!

    To GROW our Way Out = Tech CAPEX = Wars = Bond sales = Corporate Bonds Sales!

    Treasury Secretary Bessant is trying to keep Bond interest rates down to keep Corporate Bond interest rates down so money will flow into Technology!

    USA is in a Death Spiral & we will go down Punching Hard! Seizing Canada & Greenland is a + to accomplishing our GOALS we will ATTEMPT Far crazier & riskier stuff than Taking Canada & Greenland!

     

    Again this stuff is far bigger than Trump whose nothing but a Foul Puppet to Entertain you Dumb Asses!

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     Trump is distracting Everyone = USA citizens so they ignore Technology CapEx & the WEAK Bond Market!

    USA is betting it ALL on the Tech CapEX! BETTING IT ALL!

    The Entire Global Economy is attached to USA Technology Spending & Investment, if that spending slows too much it HURTS the USA economic system & the Global Financial System!

    We ARE NOW ALL IN TOO Late the reverse course!

    Had USA Citizens payed attention to what Matters WE COULD’VE Considered other OPTIONS but no Dumb dumbs in the USA had to GET CAUGHT UP IN the DRAMA Created By Trump & we missed it!

    BIG PICTURE TRUMP is a Live action role play = LARP, HE’s a TRUMAN Show!

     

    USA has a bond Problem! Nobody wants to buy USA Bonds = USA cannot borrow money! So the USA had to get Creative! We decided to GROW our WAY out of the Problem!

    To GROW our Way Out = Tech CAPEX = Wars = Bond sales = Corporate Bonds Sales!

    Treasury Secretary Bessant is trying to keep Bond interest rates down to keep Corporate Bond interest rates down so money will flow into Technology!

    USA is in a Death Spiral & we will go down Punching Hard! Seizing Canada & Greenland is a + to accomplishing our GOALS we will ATTEMPT Far crazier & riskier stuff than Taking Canada & Greenland!

     

    Again this stuff is far bigger than Trump whose nothing but a Foul Puppet to Entertain you Dumb Asses!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 28, 2026 - 8:10 PM ET #62

          AS of 08/28/2026  

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          AS of 08/26/2026 

     THE BIGGEST OIL DEAL IN WORLD HISTORY! 

    This Historic Transaction MORE THAN DOUBLES American Oil Reserves, greatly increases our Oil Supply, and will substantially lower Gas Prices for all Americans, long into the future, while helping to continue to set Venezuela on a course toward Tremendous Success and Great Prosperity. 

     

     

     

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          AS of 08/28/2026  

    Countdown clock

    876 days ,18 hrs, 33 mins, 02 secs.

          AS of 08/26/2026 

     THE BIGGEST OIL DEAL IN WORLD HISTORY! 

    This Historic Transaction MORE THAN DOUBLES American Oil Reserves, greatly increases our Oil Supply, and will substantially lower Gas Prices for all Americans, long into the future, while helping to continue to set Venezuela on a course toward Tremendous Success and Great Prosperity. 

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 28, 2026 - 9:23 PM ET #63

    U.S. has entered an agreement with Venezuela to take control of 65 billion barrels of the South American country’s oil reserves.

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    U.S. has entered an agreement with Venezuela to take control of 65 billion barrels of the South American country’s oil reserves.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 28, 2026 - 11:08 PM ET #64

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    U.S. has entered an agreement with Venezuela to take control of 65 billion barrels of the South American country’s oil reserves.

    The infrastructure doesn't really exist to refine that shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    U.S. has entered an agreement with Venezuela to take control of 65 billion barrels of the South American country’s oil reserves.

    The infrastructure doesn't really exist to refine that shit.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim: U.S. has entered an agreement with Venezuela to take control of 65 billion barrels of the South American country’s oil reserves. The infrastructure doesn't really exist to refine that shit.

    They absolutely have the refining capacity for that oil.  Several of the GC refineries were designed specifically for the heavy crude from Venezuela.  They could easily absorb 250,000 additional barrels a day, maybe upwards of 400,000 barrels a day.

    The issue is the lack of updates in Venezuela and the degradation of the whole system there.  That will take some years to get their production and transportation system up to where it needs to be.

    peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim: U.S. has entered an agreement with Venezuela to take control of 65 billion barrels of the South American country’s oil reserves. The infrastructure doesn't really exist to refine that shit.

    They absolutely have the refining capacity for that oil.  Several of the GC refineries were designed specifically for the heavy crude from Venezuela.  They could easily absorb 250,000 additional barrels a day, maybe upwards of 400,000 barrels a day.

    The issue is the lack of updates in Venezuela and the degradation of the whole system there.  That will take some years to get their production and transportation system up to where it needs to be.

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     It’s gonna take time & $ to Increase Venezuela Oil extraction, transportation, & refinement! And the Venezuelan people could rise against this USA partnership if USA does not Manage this properly! CIA was hanging with Venezuela cocaine traffickers & have convinced them to get into the Mining & Oil business back in 2019!
    Lots of Shady Folks involved in the Venezuela/USA oil deal if they aren't sensitive to the wants & needs of the Venezuelan Population this thing could go Sour! USA/CIA has a terrible track record in these situations, we did this to Iran in 1953 over Oil, today Iranian People Hate USA!

    Never underestimate USA Gov’s ability to Screw Everything Up! USA is currently on Track to become the Most Hated Country in Human History!

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     It’s gonna take time & $ to Increase Venezuela Oil extraction, transportation, & refinement! And the Venezuelan people could rise against this USA partnership if USA does not Manage this properly! CIA was hanging with Venezuela cocaine traffickers & have convinced them to get into the Mining & Oil business back in 2019!
    Lots of Shady Folks involved in the Venezuela/USA oil deal if they aren't sensitive to the wants & needs of the Venezuelan Population this thing could go Sour! USA/CIA has a terrible track record in these situations, we did this to Iran in 1953 over Oil, today Iranian People Hate USA!

    Never underestimate USA Gov’s ability to Screw Everything Up! USA is currently on Track to become the Most Hated Country in Human History!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by FresnoHawk68:

    @Raiders22  It’s gonna take time & $ to Increase Venezuela Oil extraction, transportation, & refinement! And the Venezuelan people could rise against this USA partnership if USA does not Manage this properly! CIA was hanging with Venezuela cocaine traffickers & have convinced them to get into the Mining & Oil business back in 2019! Lots of Shady Folks involved in the Venezuela/USA oil deal if they aren't sensitive to the wants & needs of the Venezuelan Population this thing could go Sour! USA/CIA has a terrible track record in these situations, we did this to Iran in 1953 over Oil, today Iranian People Hate USA! Never underestimate USA Gov’s ability to Screw Everything Up! USA is currently on Track to become the Most Hated Country in Human History!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FresnoHawk68:

    @Raiders22  It’s gonna take time & $ to Increase Venezuela Oil extraction, transportation, & refinement! And the Venezuelan people could rise against this USA partnership if USA does not Manage this properly! CIA was hanging with Venezuela cocaine traffickers & have convinced them to get into the Mining & Oil business back in 2019! Lots of Shady Folks involved in the Venezuela/USA oil deal if they aren't sensitive to the wants & needs of the Venezuelan Population this thing could go Sour! USA/CIA has a terrible track record in these situations, we did this to Iran in 1953 over Oil, today Iranian People Hate USA! Never underestimate USA Gov’s ability to Screw Everything Up! USA is currently on Track to become the Most Hated Country in Human History!
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     A lot of things in there that are true but a lot that are speculation and rhetoric.  

     It’s gonna take time & $ to Increase Venezuela Oil extraction, transportation, & refinement!

    Yes, I pointed out in the post above that it would take some years to get it up to speed.

    Obviously, the USA will bring expertise, equipment, and capital to get it going.

    It is also not the case of building from scratch.  A lot of their stuff has been degraded through neglect and needs restoring and other parts needs upgradiing.  They have an existing infrastructure base.  So, in that sense it is the biggest advantage of the USA getting involved.  So, it would not be the USA coming in and taking the Venezuelan oil.  It should look more along the lines of USA capital plus USA expertise and Venezuelan resources plus Venezuelan workers equaling a better environment for their folks and the western hemisphere.

    And the Venezuelan people could rise against this USA partnership if USA does not Manage this properly!

    It is speculative at this point if the folks would react one way or the other.  If they perceive the USA and Venezuelan elites taking the oil while ordinary folks get little -- then yes that could be an issue.

    But if they see it as providing jobs, wages improving, their electricity staying on, and better and steadier government services -- then they will be happy to get back to the great country they once were.

    CIA was hanging with Venezuela cocaine traffickers & have convinced them to get into the Mining & Oil business back in 2019!
    Lots of Shady Folks involved in the Venezuela/USA oil deal

    I have talked about this before.  This is who I worked with out of university for several years and I spent a lot of time in South America and specifically in Venezuela.  I can only speak about the folks I directly was in contact with and knew of at the time.  None of them I knew were 'hanging' with them or 'convinced' them to get into mining.  Certainly there were actions with the cartels and there are always illegal activities overlapped in the illegal mining.  But I would have to see some sort of solid evidence about them recruiting traffickers into the mining.

    For sure, I can say that when there is a lot of money involved and 'shady' folks involved.  But this is not factual as stated.  It would need specific people and companies cited.

    But combining different stories about Venezuelan drug trafficking, illegal gold mining, Venezuelan government corruption, U.S. intelligence operations, and oil sanctions all into one narrative is too simplistic and would need corroborative evidence.

    Since I got involved in oil and energy in the last several years I have been there many times again.  They are proposing allowing foreign and private rare-earth-element companies to be exploited along with gold and possibly diamonds.  So, I have been there on a couple of those projects and talks about them.

    There is a great opportunity there for development and exploration and some of these mining companies and a few smaller startups are gearing up for this.

     

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     A lot of things in there that are true but a lot that are speculation and rhetoric.  

     It’s gonna take time & $ to Increase Venezuela Oil extraction, transportation, & refinement!

    Yes, I pointed out in the post above that it would take some years to get it up to speed.

    Obviously, the USA will bring expertise, equipment, and capital to get it going.

    It is also not the case of building from scratch.  A lot of their stuff has been degraded through neglect and needs restoring and other parts needs upgradiing.  They have an existing infrastructure base.  So, in that sense it is the biggest advantage of the USA getting involved.  So, it would not be the USA coming in and taking the Venezuelan oil.  It should look more along the lines of USA capital plus USA expertise and Venezuelan resources plus Venezuelan workers equaling a better environment for their folks and the western hemisphere.

    And the Venezuelan people could rise against this USA partnership if USA does not Manage this properly!

    It is speculative at this point if the folks would react one way or the other.  If they perceive the USA and Venezuelan elites taking the oil while ordinary folks get little -- then yes that could be an issue.

    But if they see it as providing jobs, wages improving, their electricity staying on, and better and steadier government services -- then they will be happy to get back to the great country they once were.

    CIA was hanging with Venezuela cocaine traffickers & have convinced them to get into the Mining & Oil business back in 2019!
    Lots of Shady Folks involved in the Venezuela/USA oil deal

    I have talked about this before.  This is who I worked with out of university for several years and I spent a lot of time in South America and specifically in Venezuela.  I can only speak about the folks I directly was in contact with and knew of at the time.  None of them I knew were 'hanging' with them or 'convinced' them to get into mining.  Certainly there were actions with the cartels and there are always illegal activities overlapped in the illegal mining.  But I would have to see some sort of solid evidence about them recruiting traffickers into the mining.

    For sure, I can say that when there is a lot of money involved and 'shady' folks involved.  But this is not factual as stated.  It would need specific people and companies cited.

    But combining different stories about Venezuelan drug trafficking, illegal gold mining, Venezuelan government corruption, U.S. intelligence operations, and oil sanctions all into one narrative is too simplistic and would need corroborative evidence.

    Since I got involved in oil and energy in the last several years I have been there many times again.  They are proposing allowing foreign and private rare-earth-element companies to be exploited along with gold and possibly diamonds.  So, I have been there on a couple of those projects and talks about them.

    There is a great opportunity there for development and exploration and some of these mining companies and a few smaller startups are gearing up for this.

     

     
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    We did this to Iran in 1953 over Oil.

    There is validity to this.  They supported the overthrow of Mosaddegh after he nationalized Iran's oil industry.  But you cannot look at it in isolation.  This also had Cold War concerns, worry over communist influence, Mosaddegh's political issues with Shah, etc.  But for sure, oil was a major factor and certainly the CIA headed up Operation Ajax to overthrow him.  But saying just oil leaves out significant context.

    I would also add that even if that incident is granted it does not translate to necessarily saying it would always be the case the next time in another continent and decades later with very different underlying political and economic concerns.

    Today Iranian people hate USA because of 1953.

    Thisnis reasonable to say but too absolute.  Decades removed do they folks too young to have been alive hold to only this as the reason.  1979 Revolution, hostage crisis, US sanctions, Iran's propaganda to their people, regional conflicts -- all play a part.

    But again -- different folks, culture, times, politics, etc. does not mean the next set up folks would hate the USA.  You can see some semblance of 'appreciation' of various overthrows.  Whether it was Mosaddegh or Maduro.  It is only when the next leader becomes dictatorial, corrupt, or the country falls apart that they folks look at the USA as a source to blame for all other woes.

    Never underestimate USA Gov’s ability to Screw Everything Up! USA is currently on Track to become the Most Hated Country in Human History!

    There is something that can be said for this for sure.  But some is hyperbole and opinion and not supported by data.

    The United States represents perhaps the greatest paradox in the eyes of the world: it is the most feared country on the planet, while also being the most popular nation that people aspire to live in outside their own.

    For example, I always use this one to demonstrate this:

    The latest Win/Gallup International’s Annual Global End of Year Survey revealed the United States was most often chosen as the greatest threat to world peace among all nations. Twenty-four percent of respondents chose the U.S., far more than Pakistan (8%), China (6%), North Korea, Israel and Iran (5%).

    But the U.S. is viewed as more than just a bully on the world stage. When asked which country they would most like to live in, 9% of respondents picked the U.S.  Australia and Canada came in second (7%), followed by Switzerland (6%), France, Germany and the United Kingdom at 4%.

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    We did this to Iran in 1953 over Oil.

    There is validity to this.  They supported the overthrow of Mosaddegh after he nationalized Iran's oil industry.  But you cannot look at it in isolation.  This also had Cold War concerns, worry over communist influence, Mosaddegh's political issues with Shah, etc.  But for sure, oil was a major factor and certainly the CIA headed up Operation Ajax to overthrow him.  But saying just oil leaves out significant context.

    I would also add that even if that incident is granted it does not translate to necessarily saying it would always be the case the next time in another continent and decades later with very different underlying political and economic concerns.

    Today Iranian people hate USA because of 1953.

    Thisnis reasonable to say but too absolute.  Decades removed do they folks too young to have been alive hold to only this as the reason.  1979 Revolution, hostage crisis, US sanctions, Iran's propaganda to their people, regional conflicts -- all play a part.

    But again -- different folks, culture, times, politics, etc. does not mean the next set up folks would hate the USA.  You can see some semblance of 'appreciation' of various overthrows.  Whether it was Mosaddegh or Maduro.  It is only when the next leader becomes dictatorial, corrupt, or the country falls apart that they folks look at the USA as a source to blame for all other woes.

    Never underestimate USA Gov’s ability to Screw Everything Up! USA is currently on Track to become the Most Hated Country in Human History!

    There is something that can be said for this for sure.  But some is hyperbole and opinion and not supported by data.

    The United States represents perhaps the greatest paradox in the eyes of the world: it is the most feared country on the planet, while also being the most popular nation that people aspire to live in outside their own.

    For example, I always use this one to demonstrate this:

    The latest Win/Gallup International’s Annual Global End of Year Survey revealed the United States was most often chosen as the greatest threat to world peace among all nations. Twenty-four percent of respondents chose the U.S., far more than Pakistan (8%), China (6%), North Korea, Israel and Iran (5%).

    But the U.S. is viewed as more than just a bully on the world stage. When asked which country they would most like to live in, 9% of respondents picked the U.S.  Australia and Canada came in second (7%), followed by Switzerland (6%), France, Germany and the United Kingdom at 4%.

    peace_5

     
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     So, I am not sure I would be too negative about it to start with.  I think this is one of the things that everyone can go into with a positive attitude.

    Because I think there is a lot of potential for benefit to everyone involved.

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     So, I am not sure I would be too negative about it to start with.  I think this is one of the things that everyone can go into with a positive attitude.

    Because I think there is a lot of potential for benefit to everyone involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    We did this to Iran in 1953 over Oil. There is validity to this.  They supported the overthrow of Mosaddegh after he nationalized Iran's oil industry.  But you cannot look at it in isolation.  This also had Cold War concerns, worry over communist influence, Mosaddegh's political issues with Shah, etc.  But for sure, oil was a major factor and certainly the CIA headed up Operation Ajax to overthrow him.  But saying just oil leaves out significant context. I would also add that even if that incident is granted it does not translate to necessarily saying it would always be the case the next time in another continent and decades later with very different underlying political and economic concerns. Today Iranian people hate USA because of 1953. Thisnis reasonable to say but too absolute.  Decades removed do they folks too young to have been alive hold to only this as the reason.  1979 Revolution, hostage crisis, US sanctions, Iran's propaganda to their people, regional conflicts -- all play a part. But again -- different folks, culture, times, politics, etc. does not mean the next set up folks would hate the USA.  You can see some semblance of 'appreciation' of various overthrows.  Whether it was Mosaddegh or Maduro.  It is only when the next leader becomes dictatorial, corrupt, or the country falls apart that they folks look at the USA as a source to blame for all other woes. Never underestimate USA Gov’s ability to Screw Everything Up! USA is currently on Track to become the Most Hated Country in Human History! There is something that can be said for this for sure.  But some is hyperbole and opinion and not supported by data. The United States represents perhaps the greatest paradox in the eyes of the world: it is the most feared country on the planet, while also being the most popular nation that people aspire to live in outside their own. For example, I always use this one to demonstrate this: The latest Win/Gallup International’s Annual Global End of Year Survey revealed the United States was most often chosen as the greatest threat to world peace among all nations. Twenty-four percent of respondents chose the U.S., far more than Pakistan (8%), China (6%), North Korea, Israel and Iran (5%). But the U.S. is viewed as more than just a bully on the world stage. When asked which country they would most like to live in, 9% of respondents picked the U.S.  Australia and Canada came in second (7%), followed by Switzerland (6%), France, Germany and the United Kingdom at 4%.

     

    Who did they ask for this ? That is bullcrap - for starters Switzerland is basically impossible to move to unless you are an EU citizen or have a work permit (outside the Nordic countries - it is the hardest country to enter on the European continent) so that is just people mentioning countries off of their heads (having no concept of the countries mentioned) 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    We did this to Iran in 1953 over Oil. There is validity to this.  They supported the overthrow of Mosaddegh after he nationalized Iran's oil industry.  But you cannot look at it in isolation.  This also had Cold War concerns, worry over communist influence, Mosaddegh's political issues with Shah, etc.  But for sure, oil was a major factor and certainly the CIA headed up Operation Ajax to overthrow him.  But saying just oil leaves out significant context. I would also add that even if that incident is granted it does not translate to necessarily saying it would always be the case the next time in another continent and decades later with very different underlying political and economic concerns. Today Iranian people hate USA because of 1953. Thisnis reasonable to say but too absolute.  Decades removed do they folks too young to have been alive hold to only this as the reason.  1979 Revolution, hostage crisis, US sanctions, Iran's propaganda to their people, regional conflicts -- all play a part. But again -- different folks, culture, times, politics, etc. does not mean the next set up folks would hate the USA.  You can see some semblance of 'appreciation' of various overthrows.  Whether it was Mosaddegh or Maduro.  It is only when the next leader becomes dictatorial, corrupt, or the country falls apart that they folks look at the USA as a source to blame for all other woes. Never underestimate USA Gov’s ability to Screw Everything Up! USA is currently on Track to become the Most Hated Country in Human History! There is something that can be said for this for sure.  But some is hyperbole and opinion and not supported by data. The United States represents perhaps the greatest paradox in the eyes of the world: it is the most feared country on the planet, while also being the most popular nation that people aspire to live in outside their own. For example, I always use this one to demonstrate this: The latest Win/Gallup International’s Annual Global End of Year Survey revealed the United States was most often chosen as the greatest threat to world peace among all nations. Twenty-four percent of respondents chose the U.S., far more than Pakistan (8%), China (6%), North Korea, Israel and Iran (5%). But the U.S. is viewed as more than just a bully on the world stage. When asked which country they would most like to live in, 9% of respondents picked the U.S.  Australia and Canada came in second (7%), followed by Switzerland (6%), France, Germany and the United Kingdom at 4%.

     

    Who did they ask for this ? That is bullcrap - for starters Switzerland is basically impossible to move to unless you are an EU citizen or have a work permit (outside the Nordic countries - it is the hardest country to enter on the European continent) so that is just people mentioning countries off of their heads (having no concept of the countries mentioned) 

     
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    But you should of course embrace every person that want to move over there because if your guys plan is to grow out of your economic problems you need as high a population as possible 

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    But you should of course embrace every person that want to move over there because if your guys plan is to grow out of your economic problems you need as high a population as possible 

     
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     It is not asking which countries they could legally immigrate to; it is asking which country they would like to live in.  Those are two different questions.

    By your logic, nobody could say Switzerland because they aren't eligible for Swiss residency—which obviously makes no sense. People can prefer living somewhere without having the legal ability to move there.

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     It is not asking which countries they could legally immigrate to; it is asking which country they would like to live in.  Those are two different questions.

    By your logic, nobody could say Switzerland because they aren't eligible for Swiss residency—which obviously makes no sense. People can prefer living somewhere without having the legal ability to move there.

    peace_5

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    @Calde13  It is not asking which countries they could legally immigrate to; it is asking which country they would like to live in.  Those are two different questions. By your logic, nobody could say Switzerland because they aren't eligible for Swiss residency—which obviously makes no sense. People can prefer living somewhere without having the legal ability to move there.

     

    But what is the point of asking - if stuff like that isn’t taking into consideration ? I would personally like to live in Neverland (Peter Pan) - that would have more or less the same chance of happening as you moving to Switzerland even though it was your biggest wish in the world ! Unless you have a work permit - and at that point of course you would move (if you had gone through the problems of getting one)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    @Calde13  It is not asking which countries they could legally immigrate to; it is asking which country they would like to live in.  Those are two different questions. By your logic, nobody could say Switzerland because they aren't eligible for Swiss residency—which obviously makes no sense. People can prefer living somewhere without having the legal ability to move there.

     

    But what is the point of asking - if stuff like that isn’t taking into consideration ? I would personally like to live in Neverland (Peter Pan) - that would have more or less the same chance of happening as you moving to Switzerland even though it was your biggest wish in the world ! Unless you have a work permit - and at that point of course you would move (if you had gone through the problems of getting one)

     
     
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    You might as well say - I know nothing about the country in question - but I want to LIVE there 

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    You might as well say - I know nothing about the country in question - but I want to LIVE there 

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