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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2011 - 7:57 AM ET #126

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocafella:

    What a juice dumpster this fella sounds like


    what purple drank juz said
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocafella:

    What a juice dumpster this fella sounds like


    what purple drank juz said
     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2011 - 9:16 AM ET #127

    here is some SOLID advice

    buy an industrial strength meat grinder. jam BOTH of your hands in there and keep them in there until you get to the wrist. hopefully then you will not be able to type anymore stupid shit!

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    here is some SOLID advice

    buy an industrial strength meat grinder. jam BOTH of your hands in there and keep them in there until you get to the wrist. hopefully then you will not be able to type anymore stupid shit!

     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2011 - 12:43 PM ET #128

    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

    Listen this still goes back to the first thing. Why would anybody in their right mind loan money to a known gambler, who you met on the internet? Sorry but gambers are one of the worst groups of people to be loant money.


    I understand your point but remember, other than my name, what is he going to tell the IRS? I did nothing wrong other than be taken by a criminal. He doesn't know my social security number or address. So hes going to call the IRS and try to tell them about a guy named XXXXX?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

    Listen this still goes back to the first thing. Why would anybody in their right mind loan money to a known gambler, who you met on the internet? Sorry but gambers are one of the worst groups of people to be loant money.


    I understand your point but remember, other than my name, what is he going to tell the IRS? I did nothing wrong other than be taken by a criminal. He doesn't know my social security number or address. So hes going to call the IRS and try to tell them about a guy named XXXXX?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2011 - 1:02 PM ET #129

    Quote Originally Posted by GameHunter:



    I understand your point but remember, other than my name, what is he going to tell the IRS? I did nothing wrong other than be taken by a criminal. He doesn't know my social security number or address. So hes going to call the IRS and try to tell them about a guy named XXXXX?


    Game hunter obviously you still dont understand what am saying.
    It doesnt matter one bit that you didnt do anything wrong.  When they get tips and they get lots of them, they have to assume they are real and will check them out. Do you want the irs even looking at anything you do. You think all those transactions to overseas books wont draw some further looking. Point is the guy that owes you money can fuck with you and yes having your name and where you live is probably more then enough to start the ball rolling.
    Also if he calls the cops and says hes being threatened by a bookie{you even thou your not} do you want to get involved in that kind of shit.
    You do whatever you gotta do, i was just offering some advice, if you think what i say cant happen, then disregard the advice.
    Still goes back to the point, why in the hell would you loan money to a guy you met on a gambling messageboard?  That in itself is just plain crazy. You should just accept the loss and use it as a good lesson learned about loaning out money, especially to gambling degenerates you dont really know.
    good luck with whatever you do.
    also if you fuck with the guys financial license and he loses it, be prepared for the guy going off the deep end and coming looking for you.
    There are so many bad scenarios that could happen, with not a lot of good ones on your side.

    Cant you just see it now, you go to court and your a lawyer, telling the judge you loaned money to a guy you met on a gambling messageboard in order for him to pay off a gambling debt to the bookie you hooked him up with.  You dont see a little problem with that scenario?
    I dont know if the guy you loaned money to has any smarts, but i can think of a thousand things to do to you, that could turn the whole scenario around on you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GameHunter:



    I understand your point but remember, other than my name, what is he going to tell the IRS? I did nothing wrong other than be taken by a criminal. He doesn't know my social security number or address. So hes going to call the IRS and try to tell them about a guy named XXXXX?


    Game hunter obviously you still dont understand what am saying.
    It doesnt matter one bit that you didnt do anything wrong.  When they get tips and they get lots of them, they have to assume they are real and will check them out. Do you want the irs even looking at anything you do. You think all those transactions to overseas books wont draw some further looking. Point is the guy that owes you money can fuck with you and yes having your name and where you live is probably more then enough to start the ball rolling.
    Also if he calls the cops and says hes being threatened by a bookie{you even thou your not} do you want to get involved in that kind of shit.
    You do whatever you gotta do, i was just offering some advice, if you think what i say cant happen, then disregard the advice.
    Still goes back to the point, why in the hell would you loan money to a guy you met on a gambling messageboard?  That in itself is just plain crazy. You should just accept the loss and use it as a good lesson learned about loaning out money, especially to gambling degenerates you dont really know.
    good luck with whatever you do.
    also if you fuck with the guys financial license and he loses it, be prepared for the guy going off the deep end and coming looking for you.
    There are so many bad scenarios that could happen, with not a lot of good ones on your side.

    Cant you just see it now, you go to court and your a lawyer, telling the judge you loaned money to a guy you met on a gambling messageboard in order for him to pay off a gambling debt to the bookie you hooked him up with.  You dont see a little problem with that scenario?
    I dont know if the guy you loaned money to has any smarts, but i can think of a thousand things to do to you, that could turn the whole scenario around on you.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2011 - 1:04 PM ET #130

    Also every single thing i have read about promissory notes requires 2 signatures not 1
    And having a third party as a witness is even better.

    what is the total we are talking about?
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    Also every single thing i have read about promissory notes requires 2 signatures not 1
    And having a third party as a witness is even better.

    what is the total we are talking about?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2011 - 4:07 PM ET #131

    expose the inbred BITCH welcher...
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    expose the inbred BITCH welcher...
     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2011 - 8:40 PM ET #132

    is this thread serious?

    First of all you have mentioned a gazilion times your a supposed attorney...but yet your on here asking for advice and opinions from degenerate gamblers?

    The points mentioned about the IRS are true... if you engage in contact with them you better make sure your own ducks are in a row. You do realize that sports betting would be considered inappropriate behavior for most state bars or ethics boards in the United States?

    if you ruin or impact his job and lose the case you open yourself up to a nice libel suit.  And I wouldn't be shocked to see him turn you into your state bar if you do this.

    I find it hard to believe you don't know this person... why the hell would you loan money to someone you don't know and cannot trust? Really bad judgment in my opinion if its true.

    I never believed the fact you were attorney based on things that happened years ago... and this post has gone a long ways to proving it to me. Can't imagine an attorney asking for legal council on a sports betting website... these are the types of questions you pose on legal message boards ...not here

     

    Last thought:

    What is $3000 to a silk stocking attorney who is a hot shot gambler? Is $3000 worth going in front of a possible ethics board? I would think thats 1 days work for you...learn from it and move on.

     

     

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    is this thread serious?

    First of all you have mentioned a gazilion times your a supposed attorney...but yet your on here asking for advice and opinions from degenerate gamblers?

    The points mentioned about the IRS are true... if you engage in contact with them you better make sure your own ducks are in a row. You do realize that sports betting would be considered inappropriate behavior for most state bars or ethics boards in the United States?

    if you ruin or impact his job and lose the case you open yourself up to a nice libel suit.  And I wouldn't be shocked to see him turn you into your state bar if you do this.

    I find it hard to believe you don't know this person... why the hell would you loan money to someone you don't know and cannot trust? Really bad judgment in my opinion if its true.

    I never believed the fact you were attorney based on things that happened years ago... and this post has gone a long ways to proving it to me. Can't imagine an attorney asking for legal council on a sports betting website... these are the types of questions you pose on legal message boards ...not here

     

    Last thought:

    What is $3000 to a silk stocking attorney who is a hot shot gambler? Is $3000 worth going in front of a possible ethics board? I would think thats 1 days work for you...learn from it and move on.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2011 - 9:14 PM ET #133

    I wasn't asking for legal advice.

    I was asking if I should give him a chance by contacting his family and asking them to talk some sense into him before a file a complaint with evidence against his license and if I go after his license simultaneously with filing suit.
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    I wasn't asking for legal advice.

    I was asking if I should give him a chance by contacting his family and asking them to talk some sense into him before a file a complaint with evidence against his license and if I go after his license simultaneously with filing suit.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2011 - 9:15 PM ET #134

    Quote Originally Posted by michaelpaul1:

    expose the inbred BITCH welcher...


    Horse forum followers can figure it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelpaul1:

    expose the inbred BITCH welcher...


    Horse forum followers can figure it out.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2011 - 9:25 PM ET #135

    Quote Originally Posted by michaelpaul1:

    expose the inbred BITCH welcher...

    Pot, I'd like you to meet the kettle …

    Kettle, I'd like you to meet the pot  
    bigreds daddy
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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelpaul1:

    expose the inbred BITCH welcher...

    Pot, I'd like you to meet the kettle …

    Kettle, I'd like you to meet the pot  
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2011 - 12:20 AM ET #136

      when do you drop the name?
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      when do you drop the name?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2011 - 12:23 AM ET #137

    Quote Originally Posted by THESHOOTER:

      when do you drop the name?


    He's a regular in the horse forum. I'm just hoping he hits the huge Pick 6 carryover at Belmont on Wednesday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THESHOOTER:

      when do you drop the name?


    He's a regular in the horse forum. I'm just hoping he hits the huge Pick 6 carryover at Belmont on Wednesday.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2011 - 12:26 AM ET #138

    Quote Originally Posted by GameHunter:

    I wasn't asking for legal advice.

    I was asking if I should give him a chance by contacting his family and asking them to talk some sense into him before a file a complaint with evidence against his license and if I go after his license simultaneously with filing suit.


    But GH that is asking for advice and if you are a lawyer like you said you were, you really wouldnt have even started this thread.

    You really think the degenerate gambler is suddenly gonna send you a check because you call his family up and ask for their help?
    I would be willing to bet any amount you have already sent him a ton of emails and phone calls asking for the money. How has that worked out for you?  Your just gonna tell his family the same things you already told him, so thats not gonna change his mind. The guy made a sucker out of you, live with it and move on or take him to court, but be prepared for everything that could go wrong.

    Lastly why the fuck would a guy who is a lawyer and should be smart person loan money to a guy who you met on a gambling messageboard?  This really is mind boggling.  Why would you do such a thing?  Did the guy have pictures of you fucking a duck or something?  Honestly GH am totally baffled by this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GameHunter:

    I wasn't asking for legal advice.

    I was asking if I should give him a chance by contacting his family and asking them to talk some sense into him before a file a complaint with evidence against his license and if I go after his license simultaneously with filing suit.


    But GH that is asking for advice and if you are a lawyer like you said you were, you really wouldnt have even started this thread.

    You really think the degenerate gambler is suddenly gonna send you a check because you call his family up and ask for their help?
    I would be willing to bet any amount you have already sent him a ton of emails and phone calls asking for the money. How has that worked out for you?  Your just gonna tell his family the same things you already told him, so thats not gonna change his mind. The guy made a sucker out of you, live with it and move on or take him to court, but be prepared for everything that could go wrong.

    Lastly why the fuck would a guy who is a lawyer and should be smart person loan money to a guy who you met on a gambling messageboard?  This really is mind boggling.  Why would you do such a thing?  Did the guy have pictures of you fucking a duck or something?  Honestly GH am totally baffled by this.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2011 - 12:36 AM ET #139

    CD, for the love of God, quit repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

    Thanks.
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    CD, for the love of God, quit repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

    Thanks.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2011 - 12:37 AM ET #140

    Quote Originally Posted by michaelpaul1:

    expose the inbred BITCH welcher...

    Get yo popcorn ready!


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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelpaul1:

    expose the inbred BITCH welcher...

    Get yo popcorn ready!


     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2011 - 12:39 AM ET #141

    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:



    But GH that is asking for advice and if you are a lawyer like you said you were, you really wouldnt have even started this thread.

    You really think the degenerate gambler is suddenly gonna send you a check because you call his family up and ask for their help?
    I would be willing to bet any amount you have already sent him a ton of emails and phone calls asking for the money. How has that worked out for you?  Your just gonna tell his family the same things you already told him, so thats not gonna change his mind. The guy made a sucker out of you, live with it and move on or take him to court, but be prepared for everything that could go wrong.

    Lastly why the fuck would a guy who is a lawyer and should be smart person loan money to a guy who you met on a gambling messageboard?  This really is mind boggling.  Why would you do such a thing?  Did the guy have pictures of you fucking a duck or something?  Honestly GH am totally baffled by this.


    CD-

    I am not here to battle you. My point was somewhat of a rhetorical question. The point was regardless if I ever see a penny, I will get the last laugh. I don't fully agree with some of your points. Other than knowing my name, the guy doesn't know any information to give the IRS, although the IRS is not going to take a call from a  random person, making up a story, with no information other than a guy's name. If I call up the IRS tomorrow and tell them a guy named John Smith is a bookie and I don't know anything mroe about him, what are they going to do. The IRS is not going to go on a wild goose chase because some imbecile makes up a story which is totally unsubstantiated.

    By the way, you keep throwing out wrong information about a promissory note. Who must sign a promissory note?  All borrowers must sign.  The lender is generally not required to sign but may sign.

     https://www.uslegalforms.com/promissorynotes/

    I have just about every bit of personal information about this guy. Way more than he realizes. Is the guy going to just send me a check when I send him and his family a copy of the complaint with evidence that will be filed against his financial planning license? That's his call. If not, then let him deal with NASD if he ever tries to renew it.

    I understand some of your points. I am not here to get into a pissing contest with you. I do appreciate some of your points though.
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    But GH that is asking for advice and if you are a lawyer like you said you were, you really wouldnt have even started this thread.

    You really think the degenerate gambler is suddenly gonna send you a check because you call his family up and ask for their help?
    I would be willing to bet any amount you have already sent him a ton of emails and phone calls asking for the money. How has that worked out for you?  Your just gonna tell his family the same things you already told him, so thats not gonna change his mind. The guy made a sucker out of you, live with it and move on or take him to court, but be prepared for everything that could go wrong.

    Lastly why the fuck would a guy who is a lawyer and should be smart person loan money to a guy who you met on a gambling messageboard?  This really is mind boggling.  Why would you do such a thing?  Did the guy have pictures of you fucking a duck or something?  Honestly GH am totally baffled by this.


    CD-

    I am not here to battle you. My point was somewhat of a rhetorical question. The point was regardless if I ever see a penny, I will get the last laugh. I don't fully agree with some of your points. Other than knowing my name, the guy doesn't know any information to give the IRS, although the IRS is not going to take a call from a  random person, making up a story, with no information other than a guy's name. If I call up the IRS tomorrow and tell them a guy named John Smith is a bookie and I don't know anything mroe about him, what are they going to do. The IRS is not going to go on a wild goose chase because some imbecile makes up a story which is totally unsubstantiated.

    By the way, you keep throwing out wrong information about a promissory note. Who must sign a promissory note?  All borrowers must sign.  The lender is generally not required to sign but may sign.

     https://www.uslegalforms.com/promissorynotes/

    I have just about every bit of personal information about this guy. Way more than he realizes. Is the guy going to just send me a check when I send him and his family a copy of the complaint with evidence that will be filed against his financial planning license? That's his call. If not, then let him deal with NASD if he ever tries to renew it.

    I understand some of your points. I am not here to get into a pissing contest with you. I do appreciate some of your points though.
     
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    What a Rouse....
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2011 - 12:43 AM ET #143

    Hey gamehunter i was just asking everyone to chip in for $25 bucks lol i would play that on 5 basebal games and pay u back and we can be betting partners
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    Hey gamehunter i was just asking everyone to chip in for $25 bucks lol i would play that on 5 basebal games and pay u back and we can be betting partners
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by golfandgamble:

    Thanks game for Sarurdays 4-0 sweep. between you and 165, hell of a Day!

    Let's get Sunday posted before i hit the country club...
    STFU  Douchebag  no one gives a flying fuck about you or your picks.  Gamehunter just say this 10 times real fast  "I am sofa king we Todd it" and all will be well, if that doesn't work just click your 10 times.
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    Thanks game for Sarurdays 4-0 sweep. between you and 165, hell of a Day!

    Let's get Sunday posted before i hit the country club...
    STFU  Douchebag  no one gives a flying fuck about you or your picks.  Gamehunter just say this 10 times real fast  "I am sofa king we Todd it" and all will be well, if that doesn't work just click your 10 times.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarneysDad:

    STFU  Douchebag  no one gives a flying fuck about you or your picks.  Gamehunter just say this 10 times real fast  "I am sofa king we Todd it" and all will be well, if that doesn't work just click your heels 10 times.
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    STFU  Douchebag  no one gives a flying fuck about you or your picks.  Gamehunter just say this 10 times real fast  "I am sofa king we Todd it" and all will be well, if that doesn't work just click your heels 10 times.
     
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    Without stating the obvious which is once you lend money, don't expect it back. Sad truth.

    IMO, you have a few choices:

    1. Sell his debt to whatever "people" you know in your area. I did this years ago.  Guy owed me 8k, proved it to them, they gave me 2.4k and I later found out they collected just under 10k from him.

    2. Forget it as a life lesson

    3. Get ready to open a can of worms by contacting his family and the institution he has his license from.

    Tough position you're in.


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    Without stating the obvious which is once you lend money, don't expect it back. Sad truth.

    IMO, you have a few choices:

    1. Sell his debt to whatever "people" you know in your area. I did this years ago.  Guy owed me 8k, proved it to them, they gave me 2.4k and I later found out they collected just under 10k from him.

    2. Forget it as a life lesson

    3. Get ready to open a can of worms by contacting his family and the institution he has his license from.

    Tough position you're in.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by GameHunter:



    CD-

    I am not here to battle you. My point was somewhat of a rhetorical question. The point was regardless if I ever see a penny, I will get the last laugh. I don't fully agree with some of your points. Other than knowing my name, the guy doesn't know any information to give the IRS, although the IRS is not going to take a call from a  random person, making up a story, with no information other than a guy's name. If I call up the IRS tomorrow and tell them a guy named John Smith is a bookie and I don't know anything mroe about him, what are they going to do. The IRS is not going to go on a wild goose chase because some imbecile makes up a story which is totally unsubstantiated.

    By the way, you keep throwing out wrong information about a promissory note. Who must sign a promissory note?  All borrowers must sign.  The lender is generally not required to sign but may sign.

     https://www.uslegalforms.com/promissorynotes/

    I have just about every bit of personal information about this guy. Way more than he realizes. Is the guy going to just send me a check when I send him and his family a copy of the complaint with evidence that will be filed against his financial planning license? That's his call. If not, then let him deal with NASD if he ever tries to renew it.

    I understand some of your points. I am not here to get into a pissing contest with you. I do appreciate some of your points though.


    good luck with whatever you do.

    You never did answer the question why did you loan a degenerate gambler money who you met on the internet.

    You also stated before that you talked to him on the phone before, so he doesnt got your number, only you got his?
    As fas as the irs thing, of course if all he has is your name and nothing else then you dont have anything to worry about, but if he has more info about you, then am sorry to tell you this but you are 100 percent wrong about calling the irs up and giving them a tip, thats what they live for.

    Like the other guy said in this thread, is this money gonna break you or something?  You should be making mega bucks as lawyer, so just put this behind you as one of your dumb mistakes you made in life.

    I really would love to know thou why you would loan the guy you only met on the net money.  When he asked you for a local bookie, that should have been all you needed to know about the guy. He probably went thru a ton of bookies.  You should have ran and never looked back.  Honestly i think theres more to this story then waht your telling.

    But good luck with whatever you do, hope it works out
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    CD-

    I am not here to battle you. My point was somewhat of a rhetorical question. The point was regardless if I ever see a penny, I will get the last laugh. I don't fully agree with some of your points. Other than knowing my name, the guy doesn't know any information to give the IRS, although the IRS is not going to take a call from a  random person, making up a story, with no information other than a guy's name. If I call up the IRS tomorrow and tell them a guy named John Smith is a bookie and I don't know anything mroe about him, what are they going to do. The IRS is not going to go on a wild goose chase because some imbecile makes up a story which is totally unsubstantiated.

    By the way, you keep throwing out wrong information about a promissory note. Who must sign a promissory note?  All borrowers must sign.  The lender is generally not required to sign but may sign.

     https://www.uslegalforms.com/promissorynotes/

    I have just about every bit of personal information about this guy. Way more than he realizes. Is the guy going to just send me a check when I send him and his family a copy of the complaint with evidence that will be filed against his financial planning license? That's his call. If not, then let him deal with NASD if he ever tries to renew it.

    I understand some of your points. I am not here to get into a pissing contest with you. I do appreciate some of your points though.


    good luck with whatever you do.

    You never did answer the question why did you loan a degenerate gambler money who you met on the internet.

    You also stated before that you talked to him on the phone before, so he doesnt got your number, only you got his?
    As fas as the irs thing, of course if all he has is your name and nothing else then you dont have anything to worry about, but if he has more info about you, then am sorry to tell you this but you are 100 percent wrong about calling the irs up and giving them a tip, thats what they live for.

    Like the other guy said in this thread, is this money gonna break you or something?  You should be making mega bucks as lawyer, so just put this behind you as one of your dumb mistakes you made in life.

    I really would love to know thou why you would loan the guy you only met on the net money.  When he asked you for a local bookie, that should have been all you needed to know about the guy. He probably went thru a ton of bookies.  You should have ran and never looked back.  Honestly i think theres more to this story then waht your telling.

    But good luck with whatever you do, hope it works out
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant:

    CD, for the love of God, quit repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

    Thanks.


    Giant dont read it then. You have the power to skip over my posts.
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    CD, for the love of God, quit repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

    Thanks.


    Giant dont read it then. You have the power to skip over my posts.
     
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    that sucks man

    next time dont give noone money.

    not even big bill.

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    that sucks man

    next time dont give noone money.

    not even big bill.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by GameHunter:

    I wasn't asking for legal advice.

    I was asking if I should give him a chance by contacting his family and asking them to talk some sense into him before a file a complaint with evidence against his license and if I go after his license simultaneously with filing suit.


    I would definitely pursue this...don't let the stiff get away with your money because he will just do it again to more innocent people. If you don't hear from his family, pursue a complaint against his license and legal action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GameHunter:

    I wasn't asking for legal advice.

    I was asking if I should give him a chance by contacting his family and asking them to talk some sense into him before a file a complaint with evidence against his license and if I go after his license simultaneously with filing suit.


    I would definitely pursue this...don't let the stiff get away with your money because he will just do it again to more innocent people. If you don't hear from his family, pursue a complaint against his license and legal action.
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