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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2022 - 12:27 PM ET #26

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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2022 - 1:39 PM ET #27

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-false-pandemic-unvaccinated-motto-133222331.html

    The false 'pandemic of the unvaccinated' motto did lasting harm

    We’ve learned a lot about things relative to this coronavirus and the pandemic it caused: Various treatments for the disease, public policy for its prevention and against its spread, the development and distribution of vaccines, and a lot of other matters as well. But a number of these matters need to be discussed with regard to what we did right and what we did wrong in response to the pandemic. One of the most important of those, in my view, is the public perception of vaccine efficacy.

    Back in early November of 2020, the pharmaceutical company Pfizer announced that data from clinical trials had demonstrated that its new vaccine was 95% effective one week after the second dose. By “effective,” they meant that the vaccinated individual was protected from infection for a period of time, and that was, no doubt, how it was understood by everyone who heard the news.

    By the following summer, President Joe Biden, unhappy with how many Americans were still unvaccinated, called the continued spread of the coronavirus a “pandemic of the unvaccinated.” The narrative was simple: Get vaccinated and you won’t get sick. Don’t get vaccinated and not only can you get sick, but you’ll be a threat to everybody else. I don’t really blame Biden for promoting this sort of thing at the time. I suspect he was saying more or less what he’d been told.

    But it was enormously divisive to the country. It was also factually incorrect.

     

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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-false-pandemic-unvaccinated-motto-133222331.html

    The false 'pandemic of the unvaccinated' motto did lasting harm

    We’ve learned a lot about things relative to this coronavirus and the pandemic it caused: Various treatments for the disease, public policy for its prevention and against its spread, the development and distribution of vaccines, and a lot of other matters as well. But a number of these matters need to be discussed with regard to what we did right and what we did wrong in response to the pandemic. One of the most important of those, in my view, is the public perception of vaccine efficacy.

    Back in early November of 2020, the pharmaceutical company Pfizer announced that data from clinical trials had demonstrated that its new vaccine was 95% effective one week after the second dose. By “effective,” they meant that the vaccinated individual was protected from infection for a period of time, and that was, no doubt, how it was understood by everyone who heard the news.

    By the following summer, President Joe Biden, unhappy with how many Americans were still unvaccinated, called the continued spread of the coronavirus a “pandemic of the unvaccinated.” The narrative was simple: Get vaccinated and you won’t get sick. Don’t get vaccinated and not only can you get sick, but you’ll be a threat to everybody else. I don’t really blame Biden for promoting this sort of thing at the time. I suspect he was saying more or less what he’d been told.

    But it was enormously divisive to the country. It was also factually incorrect.

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2022 - 1:40 PM ET #28

    The problem was that for most of 2021, few were talking about outcome protection in relation to the vaccines. To do so was contradictory because, after all, you weren’t supposed to get sick in the first place. Breakthrough infections, the term used to describe infections of vaccinated people, were supposed to be rare.

    But they weren’t particularly rare, certainly where the delta variant was concerned.

    In September of 2021, a study led by the University of California-Davis Genome Center showed “no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated people who tested positive for the delta variant of SARS-CoV-2.” Professor Richard Michelmore, director of the Genome Center, said “It’s very important to get vaccinated, because vaccines greatly reduce the risk of severe disease, but you should not assume that because you are vaccinated you cannot get infected or transmit the disease to others.”

    The “pandemic of the unvaccinated” narrative should have fallen apart, but it didn’t. In November of 2021, Dr. Gunter Kampf of the University of Greifswald practically pleaded with both his native country of Germany and the United States to stop the stigmatization of the unvaccinated. He wrote this in the medical journal The Lancet: “People who are vaccinated have a lower risk of severe disease but are still a relevant part of the pandemic. It is therefore wrong and dangerous to speak of a pandemic of the unvaccinated… I call on high-level officials and scientists to stop the inappropriate stigmatisation of unvaccinated people, who include our patients, colleagues, and other fellow citizens, and to put extra effort into bringing society together.”

    Perhaps some have listened to Kampf, but the damage had already been done. Between the politicians, the government officials, and the media, many Americans were made to be deeply afraid. And some were very angry at those who had chosen not to be vaccinated.

    The fear was amply demonstrated in polling done by The Brookings Institute late in 2020 in which 35% of all those polled (Democrats and Republicans alike) said that at least half of the people infected with COVID-19 required hospitalization. The actual number was somewhere between 1% and 5%.

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    The problem was that for most of 2021, few were talking about outcome protection in relation to the vaccines. To do so was contradictory because, after all, you weren’t supposed to get sick in the first place. Breakthrough infections, the term used to describe infections of vaccinated people, were supposed to be rare.

    But they weren’t particularly rare, certainly where the delta variant was concerned.

    In September of 2021, a study led by the University of California-Davis Genome Center showed “no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated people who tested positive for the delta variant of SARS-CoV-2.” Professor Richard Michelmore, director of the Genome Center, said “It’s very important to get vaccinated, because vaccines greatly reduce the risk of severe disease, but you should not assume that because you are vaccinated you cannot get infected or transmit the disease to others.”

    The “pandemic of the unvaccinated” narrative should have fallen apart, but it didn’t. In November of 2021, Dr. Gunter Kampf of the University of Greifswald practically pleaded with both his native country of Germany and the United States to stop the stigmatization of the unvaccinated. He wrote this in the medical journal The Lancet: “People who are vaccinated have a lower risk of severe disease but are still a relevant part of the pandemic. It is therefore wrong and dangerous to speak of a pandemic of the unvaccinated… I call on high-level officials and scientists to stop the inappropriate stigmatisation of unvaccinated people, who include our patients, colleagues, and other fellow citizens, and to put extra effort into bringing society together.”

    Perhaps some have listened to Kampf, but the damage had already been done. Between the politicians, the government officials, and the media, many Americans were made to be deeply afraid. And some were very angry at those who had chosen not to be vaccinated.

    The fear was amply demonstrated in polling done by The Brookings Institute late in 2020 in which 35% of all those polled (Democrats and Republicans alike) said that at least half of the people infected with COVID-19 required hospitalization. The actual number was somewhere between 1% and 5%.

     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2022 - 1:40 PM ET #29

    The anger was demonstrated in polling as well, done in this instance by Rasmussen (and published in January of 2022), where the results indicated that Democratic voters in particular were willing to take some very extreme measures with regard to the unvaccinated:

    • 59% of Democratic voters were in favor of required home confinement for those who refuse vaccination.

    • 48% of Democrat voters thought “federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications.”

    • 45% of Democratic voters “would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.”

    I found this absolutely horrifying. It’s bad enough that a large group of Americans would be so willing to take away the civil liberties of their fellow citizens, but to have that opinion based upon erroneous views with respect to the protections offered by the vaccines makes this doubly bad.

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    The anger was demonstrated in polling as well, done in this instance by Rasmussen (and published in January of 2022), where the results indicated that Democratic voters in particular were willing to take some very extreme measures with regard to the unvaccinated:

    • 59% of Democratic voters were in favor of required home confinement for those who refuse vaccination.

    • 48% of Democrat voters thought “federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications.”

    • 45% of Democratic voters “would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.”

    I found this absolutely horrifying. It’s bad enough that a large group of Americans would be so willing to take away the civil liberties of their fellow citizens, but to have that opinion based upon erroneous views with respect to the protections offered by the vaccines makes this doubly bad.

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