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    The final dagger to Dairyland Greyhound Park?

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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2008 - 10:13 AM ET #1

    Not that any of you guys give a damn (maybe MikeyP does) but the end might be near for Dairyland.    
     
     
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    An OTB in Milwaukee might put them out of business.   We started with 5 greyhound tracks up here and Dairyland was the only one left.    
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    Not that any of you guys give a damn (maybe MikeyP does) but the end might be near for Dairyland.    
     
     
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    An OTB in Milwaukee might put them out of business.   We started with 5 greyhound tracks up here and Dairyland was the only one left.    
     
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    I wouldn't be surpised if dog racing gets the axe altogether with all the animal activists and PITA.  Who the heck bets dogs anyways? 

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    I wouldn't be surpised if dog racing gets the axe altogether with all the animal activists and PITA.  Who the heck bets dogs anyways? 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2008 - 5:16 PM ET #3

    HOUND.....Well, I DO care, since I once owned a house about a mile from there and spent about 4 nights a week there, and attend when possible, I DO care.
     
    You can lay this right in the lap of the genius Governor Doyle, who is another piker like our Governor Blagojevich in Illinois.
     
    If Doyle would have given this property to the Potwatami Tribe when they pushed hared for it a few years ago, you would have a pretty good racino by now.
     
     
    Instead, the Potawatami are forcing his hand. They can't lose as they will either get the good race betting venue in Milwaukee, and they could find a way to hijack the state into giving them Dairyland, as they should have done long ago. They are in a no-lose position.
     
    HOUND...doesn't it just kill you to drive by Geneva Lakes and see that nice building dark and empty?
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    HOUND.....Well, I DO care, since I once owned a house about a mile from there and spent about 4 nights a week there, and attend when possible, I DO care.
     
    You can lay this right in the lap of the genius Governor Doyle, who is another piker like our Governor Blagojevich in Illinois.
     
    If Doyle would have given this property to the Potwatami Tribe when they pushed hared for it a few years ago, you would have a pretty good racino by now.
     
     
    Instead, the Potawatami are forcing his hand. They can't lose as they will either get the good race betting venue in Milwaukee, and they could find a way to hijack the state into giving them Dairyland, as they should have done long ago. They are in a no-lose position.
     
    HOUND...doesn't it just kill you to drive by Geneva Lakes and see that nice building dark and empty?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2008 - 6:32 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyp1:

    HOUND.....Well, I DO care, since I once owned a house about a mile from there and spent about 4 nights a week there, and attend when possible, I DO care.
     
    You can lay this right in the lap of the genius Governor Doyle, who is another piker like our Governor Blagojevich in Illinois.
     
    If Doyle would have given this property to the Potwatami Tribe when they pushed hared for it a few years ago, you would have a pretty good racino by now.
     
     
    Instead, the Potawatami are forcing his hand. They can't lose as they will either get the good race betting venue in Milwaukee, and they could find a way to hijack the state into giving them Dairyland, as they should have done long ago. They are in a no-lose position.
     
    HOUND...doesn't it just kill you to drive by Geneva Lakes and see that nice building dark and empty?

     

    MikeyP, yes I do miss Geneva Lakes Kennel Club.    I always preferred it to Dairyland.       I have actually pulled into that parking lot several times since it closed to see what it looks like.   

    Interesting angle on this you brought up.      So the Potawotami eventually want to get Dairyland?      I had never thought of that before nor have I read that in the paper.  

    Well at least the track won't close if that happens.   

     

    On the flip side, if Potawotami has off track betting I won't have to drive to Kenosha to make a bet if I want to.     I hate to see all these dog tracks closing up here though.  

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    HOUND.....Well, I DO care, since I once owned a house about a mile from there and spent about 4 nights a week there, and attend when possible, I DO care.
     
    You can lay this right in the lap of the genius Governor Doyle, who is another piker like our Governor Blagojevich in Illinois.
     
    If Doyle would have given this property to the Potwatami Tribe when they pushed hared for it a few years ago, you would have a pretty good racino by now.
     
     
    Instead, the Potawatami are forcing his hand. They can't lose as they will either get the good race betting venue in Milwaukee, and they could find a way to hijack the state into giving them Dairyland, as they should have done long ago. They are in a no-lose position.
     
    HOUND...doesn't it just kill you to drive by Geneva Lakes and see that nice building dark and empty?

     

    MikeyP, yes I do miss Geneva Lakes Kennel Club.    I always preferred it to Dairyland.       I have actually pulled into that parking lot several times since it closed to see what it looks like.   

    Interesting angle on this you brought up.      So the Potawotami eventually want to get Dairyland?      I had never thought of that before nor have I read that in the paper.  

    Well at least the track won't close if that happens.   

     

    On the flip side, if Potawotami has off track betting I won't have to drive to Kenosha to make a bet if I want to.     I hate to see all these dog tracks closing up here though.  

     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2008 - 6:36 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by icemantbi:

    I wouldn't be surpised if dog racing gets the axe altogether with all the animal activists and PITA.  Who the heck bets dogs anyways? 

     

      No question dog racing is in trouble.   Both financially because of lack of interest and because of the animal rights groups you mentioned.   It's still in pretty good shape in certain places around the country like Florida though.   

    I used to really love betting on  greyhound racing and was pretty good at it.   But I'm not into it as much anymore.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by icemantbi:

    I wouldn't be surpised if dog racing gets the axe altogether with all the animal activists and PITA.  Who the heck bets dogs anyways? 

     

      No question dog racing is in trouble.   Both financially because of lack of interest and because of the animal rights groups you mentioned.   It's still in pretty good shape in certain places around the country like Florida though.   

    I used to really love betting on  greyhound racing and was pretty good at it.   But I'm not into it as much anymore.  

     
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    Posted: Jan. 9, 2008 - 12:34 PM ET #7

    I think the lack of exposure doesn't help either, the last time I was in Las Vegas, over 10 years ago, I watched and bet on them, when they showed the replays in slow motion they still looked like they were flying, very entertaining.  I don't know of any place other than Vegas that simulcasts the dog races, do they simulcast anywhere other than Vegas? 
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    I think the lack of exposure doesn't help either, the last time I was in Las Vegas, over 10 years ago, I watched and bet on them, when they showed the replays in slow motion they still looked like they were flying, very entertaining.  I don't know of any place other than Vegas that simulcasts the dog races, do they simulcast anywhere other than Vegas? 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by daneish:

    I think the lack of exposure doesn't help either, the last time I was in Las Vegas, over 10 years ago, I watched and bet on them, when they showed the replays in slow motion they still looked like they were flying, very entertaining.  I don't know of any place other than Vegas that simulcasts the dog races, do they simulcast anywhere other than Vegas? 

     

    Every state that has a dog track takes simulcasts from other dog tracks.

    I think Atlantic City might simulcast them also.

    And you have the online wagering of dog races also.   

    For instance at PayDog.com you can bet on just about every dog track out there.

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    I think the lack of exposure doesn't help either, the last time I was in Las Vegas, over 10 years ago, I watched and bet on them, when they showed the replays in slow motion they still looked like they were flying, very entertaining.  I don't know of any place other than Vegas that simulcasts the dog races, do they simulcast anywhere other than Vegas? 

     

    Every state that has a dog track takes simulcasts from other dog tracks.

    I think Atlantic City might simulcast them also.

    And you have the online wagering of dog races also.   

    For instance at PayDog.com you can bet on just about every dog track out there.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 9, 2008 - 5:06 PM ET #9

    I used  to go to Gulf Greyhound Park all the time and it is sad what is happening there.  There is no money handled and I wonder how long it will remain open.  Vegas simulcasts the dogs but puts caps on how much they will pay out.  I still go to Sam Houston and bet the simulcasts of the dogs. The action happens quicker and not as long between races.
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    I used  to go to Gulf Greyhound Park all the time and it is sad what is happening there.  There is no money handled and I wonder how long it will remain open.  Vegas simulcasts the dogs but puts caps on how much they will pay out.  I still go to Sam Houston and bet the simulcasts of the dogs. The action happens quicker and not as long between races.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 9, 2008 - 5:07 PM ET #10

    A good website also for dogs is dayatthetrack.com  they have every track that I know of. 
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    A good website also for dogs is dayatthetrack.com  they have every track that I know of. 
     
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    I  hope Dairyland becomes the Mecca of  all gambling this side of
    the Mississippi .

    It would be good for everybody[cep maybe a Potawatomi Indian]

    Hope it gets built.... then Greyhound can finally buy me a beer.

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    I  hope Dairyland becomes the Mecca of  all gambling this side of
    the Mississippi .

    It would be good for everybody[cep maybe a Potawatomi Indian]

    Hope it gets built.... then Greyhound can finally buy me a beer.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vetdrm:

    I  hope Dairyland becomes the Mecca of  all gambling this side of
    the Mississippi .

    It would be good for everybody[cep maybe a Potawatomi Indian]

    Hope it gets built.... then Greyhound can finally buy me a beer.

     

       Go Pack !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vetdrm:

    I  hope Dairyland becomes the Mecca of  all gambling this side of
    the Mississippi .

    It would be good for everybody[cep maybe a Potawatomi Indian]

    Hope it gets built.... then Greyhound can finally buy me a beer.

     

       Go Pack !!!

     
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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2008 - 11:27 AM ET #14

    I am calling for a Covers meeting the first day Potowatami opens at Dairyland....we will bring the Mucker in from Atlanta and Bull in from Boston. Maybe we can talk dane into leaving the beautiful state of New Jersey for this one!!!!
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    I am calling for a Covers meeting the first day Potowatami opens at Dairyland....we will bring the Mucker in from Atlanta and Bull in from Boston. Maybe we can talk dane into leaving the beautiful state of New Jersey for this one!!!!
     
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    PS: I know LOSUDS will be up for this too!
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    PS: I know LOSUDS will be up for this too!
     
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    I can guarantee you and without a doubt, Atlantic City does NOT simulcast the greyhound races, the way AC is going it's going to be a ghost town in a few years, the surrounding states are pounding their asses into the ground, this is thanks to asshole Bill Bradley, Harry Carson, etc., who didn't even let the sports betting get to the voters even though the older George Bush gave AC an extra year to implement it, dumbass state.
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    I can guarantee you and without a doubt, Atlantic City does NOT simulcast the greyhound races, the way AC is going it's going to be a ghost town in a few years, the surrounding states are pounding their asses into the ground, this is thanks to asshole Bill Bradley, Harry Carson, etc., who didn't even let the sports betting get to the voters even though the older George Bush gave AC an extra year to implement it, dumbass state.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2008 - 2:10 PM ET #17

    Dane,  I think AC does do dogs in some casinos.   The simulcast rooms there are horrible.   I was just a Trop on a comp trip.  What a sad place.  There liscense is not getting renewed.  Borgata is kicking the asses of all other places.  AC is not a place for horses.   In each room you might see 10 people betting horses.   One window opened.  It is the same way in Vegas.  People do not go there to bet horses.  Even the sportsbooks are making little money.   Sorry about Greyhounds.  I was just at a Greyhound track in Fla.  First time.  A friend had a hores running at New York.  I bet my first Greyhound race.  I put 20 to win on a 3-1 shot. The odds went to 1-5.  A regular there laughed at me.  He said never bet more then 2 bucks to win.  My dog goes off at 3-5 runs third.  No money in the pool.  They are in trouble.
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    Dane,  I think AC does do dogs in some casinos.   The simulcast rooms there are horrible.   I was just a Trop on a comp trip.  What a sad place.  There liscense is not getting renewed.  Borgata is kicking the asses of all other places.  AC is not a place for horses.   In each room you might see 10 people betting horses.   One window opened.  It is the same way in Vegas.  People do not go there to bet horses.  Even the sportsbooks are making little money.   Sorry about Greyhounds.  I was just at a Greyhound track in Fla.  First time.  A friend had a hores running at New York.  I bet my first Greyhound race.  I put 20 to win on a 3-1 shot. The odds went to 1-5.  A regular there laughed at me.  He said never bet more then 2 bucks to win.  My dog goes off at 3-5 runs third.  No money in the pool.  They are in trouble.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2008 - 3:51 PM ET #18

    I frequent AC and I'm at the Borgata and Bally's Wild Wild West and Billy's, and I've never seen a dog race, maybe one of the other lesser casinos have them, but I've never seen or heard of them being in AC.
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    I frequent AC and I'm at the Borgata and Bally's Wild Wild West and Billy's, and I've never seen a dog race, maybe one of the other lesser casinos have them, but I've never seen or heard of them being in AC.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyp1:

    PS: I know LOSUDS will be up for this too!

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    I just noticed this thread had some life being greyhound started it and just peeked inside for the first time ---where is this place ???

     

    One thing i do know right now Iam moving in 2 weeks and not doing any vacations to the caribbean this year but was 95% set on having my ass up in Saratoga this summer and thats what iam really looking foward too, so if we can get as many of us up there iam already looking for a good spot to get a room somewhere between Albany or Lake george ---still working on this ----also need to go to Long Island this summer around the same time Toga opens while iam on my way and see the Family before a few of us drop off the earth just like my sweet sister did a few weeks ago  and need to check a few things out in new york so ,     count on me driving up this july august for sure unless something bad happens i will be up there for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyp1:

    PS: I know LOSUDS will be up for this too!

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    I just noticed this thread had some life being greyhound started it and just peeked inside for the first time ---where is this place ???

     

    One thing i do know right now Iam moving in 2 weeks and not doing any vacations to the caribbean this year but was 95% set on having my ass up in Saratoga this summer and thats what iam really looking foward too, so if we can get as many of us up there iam already looking for a good spot to get a room somewhere between Albany or Lake george ---still working on this ----also need to go to Long Island this summer around the same time Toga opens while iam on my way and see the Family before a few of us drop off the earth just like my sweet sister did a few weeks ago  and need to check a few things out in new york so ,     count on me driving up this july august for sure unless something bad happens i will be up there for sure

     
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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2008 - 4:15 PM ET #20

    Go Packers
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    Go Packers
     
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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2008 - 4:50 PM ET #21

    Not a good start
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    Not a good start
     
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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2008 - 5:55 PM ET #22

    things looking great now
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    things looking great now
     
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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2008 - 7:13 PM ET #23

    HOUND...you mean you are leaving Little Czechoslovakia for good?
     
    I am Shocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    HOUND...you mean you are leaving Little Czechoslovakia for good?
     
    I am Shocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Posted: Jan. 13, 2008 - 8:35 PM ET #24

    I picked this off of Dairyland's website....maybe the MENOMONEES CAN TAKE OVER THE TRACK?
     
    https://www.dairylandgreyhoundpark.com/RecentNews.asp?date=1/8/2008&title=Dairyland%20Faced%20with%20OTB%20Challenge
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    I picked this off of Dairyland's website....maybe the MENOMONEES CAN TAKE OVER THE TRACK?
     
    https://www.dairylandgreyhoundpark.com/RecentNews.asp?date=1/8/2008&title=Dairyland%20Faced%20with%20OTB%20Challenge
     
     
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    HOUND...you have inspired me. I am actually investigating the possible purchase of a dog at Dairlyland, so I started my research.
     
    Wanna know why the sport is so fuked up? I went online to find out about the top kennels at Dairyland to see if I might purchase a dog from one them.
     
    Guess what? Not one of them even has a website nor does DAIRYLAND have any trainer contact info. So,  I emailed the track to see if they can put me in touch with someone from a decent kennel.
     
    Then I went o the Greyhound Racing Assoc. website and they have a section on owning dogs. According to them, you can buy a dog for anywhere from $500 to $4000 with a monthly kennel cost of $80-$120.
     
    Owners take on a purse is about 35% with the purses for most ranges totalling $100 to $300. So if my dog wins a $100 race, I get $35....almost a half-months boarding fee...at the low end.
     
    Holy Lassie! What a difference compared to owning horses.
     
    In Illinois, the cost to buy a horse that racing, even a cheap claimer, is anywhere from $4000 to ???? You can buy a cheap Illinois bred yearling for $1500 and while they are training up to their racing debut it will cost about $500-$800 per month in Illinois.
     
    After a horse starts racing, it's about $2000 per month including the vet here in Illinois. Our purses are 60% for the owner, so if you win a purse of $28,000, you will collect around $18,000. In Illinois and other states, with a state bred horse, you will collect 60% of the added purse in addition to the condition purse.
     
    Compared to horses dogs are......dogs!
     
    Actually, it might be cheaper to buy a poodle and just feed him table scraps and just let him shit in the back yard.
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    HOUND...you have inspired me. I am actually investigating the possible purchase of a dog at Dairlyland, so I started my research.
     
    Wanna know why the sport is so fuked up? I went online to find out about the top kennels at Dairyland to see if I might purchase a dog from one them.
     
    Guess what? Not one of them even has a website nor does DAIRYLAND have any trainer contact info. So,  I emailed the track to see if they can put me in touch with someone from a decent kennel.
     
    Then I went o the Greyhound Racing Assoc. website and they have a section on owning dogs. According to them, you can buy a dog for anywhere from $500 to $4000 with a monthly kennel cost of $80-$120.
     
    Owners take on a purse is about 35% with the purses for most ranges totalling $100 to $300. So if my dog wins a $100 race, I get $35....almost a half-months boarding fee...at the low end.
     
    Holy Lassie! What a difference compared to owning horses.
     
    In Illinois, the cost to buy a horse that racing, even a cheap claimer, is anywhere from $4000 to ???? You can buy a cheap Illinois bred yearling for $1500 and while they are training up to their racing debut it will cost about $500-$800 per month in Illinois.
     
    After a horse starts racing, it's about $2000 per month including the vet here in Illinois. Our purses are 60% for the owner, so if you win a purse of $28,000, you will collect around $18,000. In Illinois and other states, with a state bred horse, you will collect 60% of the added purse in addition to the condition purse.
     
    Compared to horses dogs are......dogs!
     
    Actually, it might be cheaper to buy a poodle and just feed him table scraps and just let him shit in the back yard.
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