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    Davenz
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    Posted: May. 5, 2010 - 10:09 AM ET #1

     
    Its a sad state of affairs, when nearly every article you read on the net these days about sports betting, is about coruption in sports betting. With officials betting, players or staff spot fixing or fixing.

    One of the biggest challenges for the sports betting Industry, is going to be in 10-20 years, when the next generation become adults. I say this because the growth in sports betting has been huge the last 20 years. Today's children (tomorrows athletes, officials and staff) will have had far more exposure to sports betting than ever before.

    When temptation presents itself and in the "Instant" world we live in (which is increasing all the time)......I have some serious concerns for the future of the Industry.

    One way or solution if you like, is to have a zero tolerence. Any player, coach or staff member, caught betting on their sport, come down VERY hard.
    It is in their contracts that they cannot partake, yet there are numerous examples in the last 10 years where the penalties IMO have not matched the crime. Of course, the huge challenge of this whole issue is trying to catch those involved and moving forward I don't see this getting any easier either.
     
     
    Just three recent articles I have read in the last few days. Would have probably read over 40 in the last year and the number is only increasing.


    https://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-new...0505-ua5x.html

    https://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/othe...er/8658170.stm

    https://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010...g-john-higgins
     
     
    In the above AFL article (first one) is a classic example of what I find so ridiculous.

    "In other betting breaches:

    * The Western Bulldogs were fined $7500 after club director Geoff Walsh was found to have placed bets;

    * Port Adelaide assistant coach Matthew Primus was suspended for two weeks for placing a $20 multi-bet including a NAB Cup match;

    * Two interchange stewards were stood down for the rest of the season - one for placing a bet on a match he officiated in"

    It is a breach of all their contracts
    . In most other lines of work it would be instant dismisal.....as it should be and this case AND MUCH MORE.....can you imagine the director of the Lakers caught to be betting on NBA games and all he gets is a 7K fine, laughable.....no wonder they are having trouble stamping it out.

    Then the head of the AFL comes out tonight "We will have a zero tolerence for Illegal gambling"......wake up you clown and get sentences to meet the crime.
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    Its a sad state of affairs, when nearly every article you read on the net these days about sports betting, is about coruption in sports betting. With officials betting, players or staff spot fixing or fixing.

    One of the biggest challenges for the sports betting Industry, is going to be in 10-20 years, when the next generation become adults. I say this because the growth in sports betting has been huge the last 20 years. Today's children (tomorrows athletes, officials and staff) will have had far more exposure to sports betting than ever before.

    When temptation presents itself and in the "Instant" world we live in (which is increasing all the time)......I have some serious concerns for the future of the Industry.

    One way or solution if you like, is to have a zero tolerence. Any player, coach or staff member, caught betting on their sport, come down VERY hard.
    It is in their contracts that they cannot partake, yet there are numerous examples in the last 10 years where the penalties IMO have not matched the crime. Of course, the huge challenge of this whole issue is trying to catch those involved and moving forward I don't see this getting any easier either.
     
     
    Just three recent articles I have read in the last few days. Would have probably read over 40 in the last year and the number is only increasing.


    https://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-new...0505-ua5x.html

    https://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/othe...er/8658170.stm

    https://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010...g-john-higgins
     
     
    In the above AFL article (first one) is a classic example of what I find so ridiculous.

    "In other betting breaches:

    * The Western Bulldogs were fined $7500 after club director Geoff Walsh was found to have placed bets;

    * Port Adelaide assistant coach Matthew Primus was suspended for two weeks for placing a $20 multi-bet including a NAB Cup match;

    * Two interchange stewards were stood down for the rest of the season - one for placing a bet on a match he officiated in"

    It is a breach of all their contracts
    . In most other lines of work it would be instant dismisal.....as it should be and this case AND MUCH MORE.....can you imagine the director of the Lakers caught to be betting on NBA games and all he gets is a 7K fine, laughable.....no wonder they are having trouble stamping it out.

    Then the head of the AFL comes out tonight "We will have a zero tolerence for Illegal gambling"......wake up you clown and get sentences to meet the crime.
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2010 - 10:37 PM ET #2

    Good post and completely agree
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    Good post and completely agree
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2010 - 10:46 PM ET #3

    at the same time though, more and more money is coming into sport so there will be less incentive for people to cheat. But these are all isolated examples, its not widespread, remember there will always be a few bad apples in any sport
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    at the same time though, more and more money is coming into sport so there will be less incentive for people to cheat. But these are all isolated examples, its not widespread, remember there will always be a few bad apples in any sport
     
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    Agree, there's been an increasing presence of sports betting companies in the sporting landscape here in Australia. Clearly a number of them are paying big bucks to have their brand splashed across advertising hoardings at grounds, during television coverages and even on team uniforms.

    It seems like we're on a real collision course for something potentially disasterous.

    On a side note, it really pisses me off when I see these guys flogging their brand name as hard as they are and spruiking about taking massive bets on various teams / propositions every weekend. 

    From personal experience I KNOW that unless these types of wagers are being placed by complete mugs who've lost plenty in the past, there is no way these books are taking them.

    "Cost management" in rife amongst Australian and UK based books nowadays and longterm winners aren't wanted.

     

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    Agree, there's been an increasing presence of sports betting companies in the sporting landscape here in Australia. Clearly a number of them are paying big bucks to have their brand splashed across advertising hoardings at grounds, during television coverages and even on team uniforms.

    It seems like we're on a real collision course for something potentially disasterous.

    On a side note, it really pisses me off when I see these guys flogging their brand name as hard as they are and spruiking about taking massive bets on various teams / propositions every weekend. 

    From personal experience I KNOW that unless these types of wagers are being placed by complete mugs who've lost plenty in the past, there is no way these books are taking them.

    "Cost management" in rife amongst Australian and UK based books nowadays and longterm winners aren't wanted.

     

     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2010 - 4:45 AM ET #5

    Yes corruption is in sport for sure. Not every one is doing it. Although there are some people that do it in the majority of sports. Obviously individual sports eg. snooker, tennis & boxing are very easy to fix withouth making things obvious.

    In the next 5-10 years sports will be much more flooded with match fixing in opinion.

    Nowdays bet small amounts for fun, it's extremely difficult to make money in sports betting in the long run.
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    Yes corruption is in sport for sure. Not every one is doing it. Although there are some people that do it in the majority of sports. Obviously individual sports eg. snooker, tennis & boxing are very easy to fix withouth making things obvious.

    In the next 5-10 years sports will be much more flooded with match fixing in opinion.

    Nowdays bet small amounts for fun, it's extremely difficult to make money in sports betting in the long run.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jive_Turkey:

    Agree, there's been an increasing presence of sports betting companies in the sporting landscape here in Australia. Clearly a number of them are paying big bucks to have their brand splashed across advertising hoardings at grounds, during television coverages and even on team uniforms.

    It seems like we're on a real collision course for something potentially disasterous.

    On a side note, it really pisses me off when I see these guys flogging their brand name as hard as they are and spruiking about taking massive bets on various teams / propositions every weekend. 

    From personal experience I KNOW that unless these types of wagers are being placed by complete mugs who've lost plenty in the past, there is no way these books are taking them.

    "Cost management" in rife amongst Australian and UK based books nowadays and longterm winners aren't wanted.

     

    and that's the funniest part. The Footy Show are sponsored by Centrebet. At half time and during any Friday night game you'll get live odds updates, a gentle nudge and then the 'if you're going to have a bet, bet responsibly' bullshit.

    and when shits the fan, which it will, Gallop will stand there and say 'we had no indication that betting on Rugby League was a problem, nor do we condone it blah blah blah..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jive_Turkey:

    Agree, there's been an increasing presence of sports betting companies in the sporting landscape here in Australia. Clearly a number of them are paying big bucks to have their brand splashed across advertising hoardings at grounds, during television coverages and even on team uniforms.

    It seems like we're on a real collision course for something potentially disasterous.

    On a side note, it really pisses me off when I see these guys flogging their brand name as hard as they are and spruiking about taking massive bets on various teams / propositions every weekend. 

    From personal experience I KNOW that unless these types of wagers are being placed by complete mugs who've lost plenty in the past, there is no way these books are taking them.

    "Cost management" in rife amongst Australian and UK based books nowadays and longterm winners aren't wanted.

     

    and that's the funniest part. The Footy Show are sponsored by Centrebet. At half time and during any Friday night game you'll get live odds updates, a gentle nudge and then the 'if you're going to have a bet, bet responsibly' bullshit.

    and when shits the fan, which it will, Gallop will stand there and say 'we had no indication that betting on Rugby League was a problem, nor do we condone it blah blah blah..

     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2010 - 12:25 PM ET #7

    Of course there is corruption in sport.. ever hear of NBA?

    I saw one clearly fixed soccer game the other day in Austria between Kapfenburg and Red Bull Salzburg.  Red Bull best team in Austria against worst team in Kapfenburg, huge odds drop minutes before kickoff, and one of the worst penalties you will ever seen taken by Janko of Red Bull when they were awarded one. 

    And it is funny with all these sportsbooks sponsoring these teams in soccer and rugby, yet many of them cut your limits way down if you beat them. 
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    Of course there is corruption in sport.. ever hear of NBA?

    I saw one clearly fixed soccer game the other day in Austria between Kapfenburg and Red Bull Salzburg.  Red Bull best team in Austria against worst team in Kapfenburg, huge odds drop minutes before kickoff, and one of the worst penalties you will ever seen taken by Janko of Red Bull when they were awarded one. 

    And it is funny with all these sportsbooks sponsoring these teams in soccer and rugby, yet many of them cut your limits way down if you beat them. 
     
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    Saw another fixed match today.... Luzern/Bellinzona.  I had the over 3, because both these teams defence are garbage... ended up 0-0, I watched the game, neither team was trying to score... fixed for either a tie or the under.
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    Saw another fixed match today.... Luzern/Bellinzona.  I had the over 3, because both these teams defence are garbage... ended up 0-0, I watched the game, neither team was trying to score... fixed for either a tie or the under.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by icemantbi:

    Saw another fixed match today.... Luzern/Bellinzona.  I had the over 3, because both these teams defence are garbage... ended up 0-0, I watched the game, neither team was trying to score... fixed for either a tie or the under.

    keep a close eye on the Italian Leagues, its THAT time of the year again for "arranged" draws

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    Quote Originally Posted by icemantbi:

    Saw another fixed match today.... Luzern/Bellinzona.  I had the over 3, because both these teams defence are garbage... ended up 0-0, I watched the game, neither team was trying to score... fixed for either a tie or the under.

    keep a close eye on the Italian Leagues, its THAT time of the year again for "arranged" draws

     
     
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    Lets not kid ourselves sport is not a guaranteed money making venture. Players are wanting more, sponsors are being affected by world economic events. Gambling is filling in a very important whole.

    That is why we when you got to the MCG, SCG or any other ground the advertising is full of books. They have the money. From all this advertising it becomes socially acceptable as well as being a money spinner. Try watch the footy on channel ten or even listen to it on ABC and see how long it is before the odds are bought up.

    Where there is money there is corruption. Soccer / tennis etc etc.
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    Lets not kid ourselves sport is not a guaranteed money making venture. Players are wanting more, sponsors are being affected by world economic events. Gambling is filling in a very important whole.

    That is why we when you got to the MCG, SCG or any other ground the advertising is full of books. They have the money. From all this advertising it becomes socially acceptable as well as being a money spinner. Try watch the footy on channel ten or even listen to it on ABC and see how long it is before the odds are bought up.

    Where there is money there is corruption. Soccer / tennis etc etc.
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