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    Miracle1976
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    Posted: May. 7, 2008 - 8:16 AM ET #1

    Before I start...nearly lost a 'huge' write (below) as my internet crashed, that really pisses me off (happed once before)
     
    Anyway, take 2, write up below:
     

    Hi Everyone,

     

    I wasn't going to play this game simply because it is too hard to cap, but obviously I have changed my mind...'leaning' very seriously with the Dream Team.

     

    Here are some of my reasons, as I will look more closely into this game as it gets closer to starting mainly due to the players who will actually suit up:

     

    - Player match ups, player match ups, player match ups is IMO the key to who will win this game;

     

    Cox Vs Fraser = Please dont even get me started, Cox All Australian and the 'BEST' ruckman in the comp Vs No. 1 draft pick which really isn't all that good.

     

    Rutten (my sources say he will play) Vs Fev = Beat him only a couple of weeks ago...see no reason for it to happen again.

     

    Bock Vs Brown = Don't think Brown is fit, and according to Mathews, Brown's injury flairs up, so 'if' there is any issues during the game he will go straight to the bench, but besides that Bock is in All Australian form this season, so I think he is up to the task.

     

    Pavlich/Franklin Vs Croad/Waite = No real contest here IMO as the Dream Team boys have greater speed, talent, mobility, footy brain and strength to win.

     

    And the midfields.  Think this is about even, but with the tap work from Cox, and Ablett being 'very' doubtful, I think the Dream Team have the edge.

     

    Part 2 to come as I didn't know we had a 7,800 character limit when posting

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    Before I start...nearly lost a 'huge' write (below) as my internet crashed, that really pisses me off (happed once before)
     
    Anyway, take 2, write up below:
     

    Hi Everyone,

     

    I wasn't going to play this game simply because it is too hard to cap, but obviously I have changed my mind...'leaning' very seriously with the Dream Team.

     

    Here are some of my reasons, as I will look more closely into this game as it gets closer to starting mainly due to the players who will actually suit up:

     

    - Player match ups, player match ups, player match ups is IMO the key to who will win this game;

     

    Cox Vs Fraser = Please dont even get me started, Cox All Australian and the 'BEST' ruckman in the comp Vs No. 1 draft pick which really isn't all that good.

     

    Rutten (my sources say he will play) Vs Fev = Beat him only a couple of weeks ago...see no reason for it to happen again.

     

    Bock Vs Brown = Don't think Brown is fit, and according to Mathews, Brown's injury flairs up, so 'if' there is any issues during the game he will go straight to the bench, but besides that Bock is in All Australian form this season, so I think he is up to the task.

     

    Pavlich/Franklin Vs Croad/Waite = No real contest here IMO as the Dream Team boys have greater speed, talent, mobility, footy brain and strength to win.

     

    And the midfields.  Think this is about even, but with the tap work from Cox, and Ablett being 'very' doubtful, I think the Dream Team have the edge.

     

    Part 2 to come as I didn't know we had a 7,800 character limit when posting

     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2008 - 8:23 AM ET #2

    Can't post the rest for some reason but I have saved the write up, thus I will try tomorrow.

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    Can't post the rest for some reason but I have saved the write up, thus I will try tomorrow.

     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2008 - 8:24 AM ET #3

    - Here the following stats to take into consideration direct from the AFL website (top 10 for each category), and letting everyone know I have only looked at the stats where there is a signifant difference for 'both' sides;

     

    Handballs

    Daniel Cross (1st) = Dream Team

    Joel Corey (2nd) = Dream Team

    Brad Sewell (3rd) = Victoria

    Sam Mitchell (4th) = Victoria

    Kane Cornes (7th) = Dream Team

     

    Deam Team (3) Vs Victoria (2)

     

    Disposals

    Joel Corey (1st) = Dream Team

    Kane Cornes (2nd) = Dream Team

    Jimmy Bartel (3rd) = Victoria

    Daniel Cross (4th) = Dream Team

    Adam Cooney (7th) = Dream Team     (May not play, but I got a feeling he will)

    Sam Mitchell (10th) = Victoria

     

    Dream Team (4) Vs Victoria (2)

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    - Here the following stats to take into consideration direct from the AFL website (top 10 for each category), and letting everyone know I have only looked at the stats where there is a signifant difference for 'both' sides;

     

    Handballs

    Daniel Cross (1st) = Dream Team

    Joel Corey (2nd) = Dream Team

    Brad Sewell (3rd) = Victoria

    Sam Mitchell (4th) = Victoria

    Kane Cornes (7th) = Dream Team

     

    Deam Team (3) Vs Victoria (2)

     

    Disposals

    Joel Corey (1st) = Dream Team

    Kane Cornes (2nd) = Dream Team

    Jimmy Bartel (3rd) = Victoria

    Daniel Cross (4th) = Dream Team

    Adam Cooney (7th) = Dream Team     (May not play, but I got a feeling he will)

    Sam Mitchell (10th) = Victoria

     

    Dream Team (4) Vs Victoria (2)

     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2008 - 8:25 AM ET #4

    Ok, it's letting me post, but only in small amounts.  Sorry for the messing around.
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    Ok, it's letting me post, but only in small amounts.  Sorry for the messing around.
     
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    Ok, it's letting me post, but only in small amounts.  Sorry for the messing around.
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    Ok, it's letting me post, but only in small amounts.  Sorry for the messing around.
     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2008 - 8:26 AM ET #6

    Goals

    Franklin (1st) = Dream Team

    Fevola (2nd) = Victoria

    Bradshaw (3rd) = Victoria

    Richardson (4th) = Dream Team

    Roughhead (5th) = Victoria

    Pavlich (6th) = Dream Team

    Burton (7th) = Dream Team

    Goodwin (8th) = Dream Team

    Motlop (9th) = Dream Team

     

    Dream Team (6) Vs Victoria (3)

     

    Overall: Dream Team (13) Vs Victoria (7) = Difference of 6  

    The forward line of the Dream Team is a killer...why?  AFL footy today is played more on speed and playing in different positions, and of the players mentioned above most players 'should and can' line up in their respective postition's they would normally do on a Sat.  As for the Vic's, simply not, Fev, Bradshaw & Roughead all play on the goal line, thus where do the Vic's get their flankers and pockets from, and even if Brown does line up at CHF I only think this will not help them as he isn't fit...I mean 80% fit (as per Brown) in a game that will played as fast as you will ever see????

    Oh, and throw in Cam Mooney into the Dream Team looks a nice fit.

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    Goals

    Franklin (1st) = Dream Team

    Fevola (2nd) = Victoria

    Bradshaw (3rd) = Victoria

    Richardson (4th) = Dream Team

    Roughhead (5th) = Victoria

    Pavlich (6th) = Dream Team

    Burton (7th) = Dream Team

    Goodwin (8th) = Dream Team

    Motlop (9th) = Dream Team

     

    Dream Team (6) Vs Victoria (3)

     

    Overall: Dream Team (13) Vs Victoria (7) = Difference of 6  

    The forward line of the Dream Team is a killer...why?  AFL footy today is played more on speed and playing in different positions, and of the players mentioned above most players 'should and can' line up in their respective postition's they would normally do on a Sat.  As for the Vic's, simply not, Fev, Bradshaw & Roughead all play on the goal line, thus where do the Vic's get their flankers and pockets from, and even if Brown does line up at CHF I only think this will not help them as he isn't fit...I mean 80% fit (as per Brown) in a game that will played as fast as you will ever see????

    Oh, and throw in Cam Mooney into the Dream Team looks a nice fit.

     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2008 - 8:28 AM ET #7

    - Another factor as mentioned above is the pace of this game, I just feel the Dream Team has greater mobility and pace then the Vic's, let along structure down back in Bock, Rutten, Bassett, Johncock, McLeod all apart of Adelaide's back 6, and then throw in Kennelly, Bolton and Glass... WOW!

     

    - Now let's look at the Vic's possible backline; Brown (pace of the 'whole' game will worry him here), Croad (not 'overly' match fit as he missed a couple of game recently), Milburn (will go ok here), Waite (pressure of such a game will be interesting here, playing for Carlton over the past few years mean that he wouldn't have had many 'finals' type games),  Scarlett (should play well, but mobility of the above forwards can be a real concern here), Sewell (should be interesting to see how he goes), Shaw (scary!)...as for the rest, the Vic's don't have too many backups, and of the players mentioned above, not many have played 'alot' of footy together.

     

    Just some thoughts, and obviously your comments are welcome.

     

    Haven't made a play 'yet', as I need to think more about this game (looks like I have put alot of thought into already I know, but the final sides on paper will help me make a decision).  But, as you can guess I think the Dream Team is looking good.  More than likely I go with the ML ($2.20), but those not happy with this the +6.5 is on offer. 

     

    P.S. Think the Dream Team win by 4-5 Goals. 

    And sorry again for all of the above, just read between the lines...

     

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    - Another factor as mentioned above is the pace of this game, I just feel the Dream Team has greater mobility and pace then the Vic's, let along structure down back in Bock, Rutten, Bassett, Johncock, McLeod all apart of Adelaide's back 6, and then throw in Kennelly, Bolton and Glass... WOW!

     

    - Now let's look at the Vic's possible backline; Brown (pace of the 'whole' game will worry him here), Croad (not 'overly' match fit as he missed a couple of game recently), Milburn (will go ok here), Waite (pressure of such a game will be interesting here, playing for Carlton over the past few years mean that he wouldn't have had many 'finals' type games),  Scarlett (should play well, but mobility of the above forwards can be a real concern here), Sewell (should be interesting to see how he goes), Shaw (scary!)...as for the rest, the Vic's don't have too many backups, and of the players mentioned above, not many have played 'alot' of footy together.

     

    Just some thoughts, and obviously your comments are welcome.

     

    Haven't made a play 'yet', as I need to think more about this game (looks like I have put alot of thought into already I know, but the final sides on paper will help me make a decision).  But, as you can guess I think the Dream Team is looking good.  More than likely I go with the ML ($2.20), but those not happy with this the +6.5 is on offer. 

     

    P.S. Think the Dream Team win by 4-5 Goals. 

    And sorry again for all of the above, just read between the lines...

     

     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2008 - 10:45 AM ET #8

    I like it.
     
    Dream Team coach said he wants to beat the Victorians.  He mentioned that he doesn't want his team to be regarding as chop-shop piece-meal put together as fodder for the Victorian team to play.  He wants to go out there and beat them.
     
    He also said he is confident Franklin plays (big thing!) and that all players will get about a 75% run-out. 
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    I like it.
     
    Dream Team coach said he wants to beat the Victorians.  He mentioned that he doesn't want his team to be regarding as chop-shop piece-meal put together as fodder for the Victorian team to play.  He wants to go out there and beat them.
     
    He also said he is confident Franklin plays (big thing!) and that all players will get about a 75% run-out. 
     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2008 - 6:14 PM ET #9

    Don't read to much into stats. This game for me is like when the NBA puts its dream team / olympic team together. A bunch of extremely talented players (more than their opponents) but lose because they don't play like a team. That for me is what will determine who wins the group of players who can play together
     
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    Don't read to much into stats. This game for me is like when the NBA puts its dream team / olympic team together. A bunch of extremely talented players (more than their opponents) but lose because they don't play like a team. That for me is what will determine who wins the group of players who can play together
     
     
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    Miracle, I agree that DT backline looks fairly solid but consider the V forward line could be Brown, Bradshaw, Fevola, S Johnson, B Johnson and Murphy.
     
    I think the V midfield looks better especially if Ablett plays. Cooney and Griffen have been in great form, will they cut it in this company?
     
    As you say need to see the final teams, but without giving it a great deal of thought I was leaning to the big V.
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    Miracle, I agree that DT backline looks fairly solid but consider the V forward line could be Brown, Bradshaw, Fevola, S Johnson, B Johnson and Murphy.
     
    I think the V midfield looks better especially if Ablett plays. Cooney and Griffen have been in great form, will they cut it in this company?
     
    As you say need to see the final teams, but without giving it a great deal of thought I was leaning to the big V.
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2008 - 1:31 AM ET #11

    Ablett not playing and Brown struggling with not only fitness but also form 
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    Ablett not playing and Brown struggling with not only fitness but also form 
     
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    Oh..and the line is +5.5 for the Dream Team, looks very nice to me.
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    Oh..and the line is +5.5 for the Dream Team, looks very nice to me.
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2008 - 12:30 AM ET #13

    Hello to the Aussie Rules people.  Going to make this a normal play.

    Record  Normal 4-2

                POW 4-0

    This week: Hall of Fame Match +3.5 Dream Team

    Dam the line has moved, and just leeting everyone know that I will also be playing the ML as the +3.5 is just about close enough

    No more factors or reasons as I have mentioned enough above, and I still think the Dream Team win by 5-6 goals.

    GL everyone  

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    Hello to the Aussie Rules people.  Going to make this a normal play.

    Record  Normal 4-2

                POW 4-0

    This week: Hall of Fame Match +3.5 Dream Team

    Dam the line has moved, and just leeting everyone know that I will also be playing the ML as the +3.5 is just about close enough

    No more factors or reasons as I have mentioned enough above, and I still think the Dream Team win by 5-6 goals.

    GL everyone  

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2008 - 1:28 AM ET #14

    GL Miracle, I'll be leaving this one alone...
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    GL Miracle, I'll be leaving this one alone...
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2008 - 2:22 AM ET #15

    Looking at the teams I find it hard to separate them:
    https://www.afl.com.au/News/HallofFameTributeMatch/tabid/11633/Default.aspx
     
    Maybe a slight lean to the dream team.
     
    Be funny if Richardson plays on Harvey.
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    Looking at the teams I find it hard to separate them:
    https://www.afl.com.au/News/HallofFameTributeMatch/tabid/11633/Default.aspx
     
    Maybe a slight lean to the dream team.
     
    Be funny if Richardson plays on Harvey.
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2008 - 3:41 AM ET #16

    BOL Miracle, just can't trust laying cash on exhibition games myself
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    BOL Miracle, just can't trust laying cash on exhibition games myself
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2008 - 8:41 AM ET #17

    Want to play the Dream Team here, but it is hard to gauge correctly, much like has been already mentioned on here.
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    Want to play the Dream Team here, but it is hard to gauge correctly, much like has been already mentioned on here.
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2008 - 4:47 PM ET #18

    OK, took the Dreamers +4.5.
     
    Let's go Dream Team forwards!
     
    Like the idea of rotating them around as to give constant headaches to the Vics.
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    OK, took the Dreamers +4.5.
     
    Let's go Dream Team forwards!
     
    Like the idea of rotating them around as to give constant headaches to the Vics.
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2008 - 11:11 PM ET #19

    For whats its worth, as I doubt any sizable money will be put on it but I think the Vics will win by about 5 goals.

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    For whats its worth, as I doubt any sizable money will be put on it but I think the Vics will win by about 5 goals.

     
     
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    Posted: May. 10, 2008 - 8:58 PM ET #20

    Sorry.  Hope nobody tailed me after my detailed write-up, or hope I didn't convince anyone. 
     
    The DT looked the goods early in the 4th Q, but simply coughed up the ball too many times as we got further into the 4th Q... 
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    Sorry.  Hope nobody tailed me after my detailed write-up, or hope I didn't convince anyone. 
     
    The DT looked the goods early in the 4th Q, but simply coughed up the ball too many times as we got further into the 4th Q... 
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