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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2024 - 12:58 PM ET #326

    @MrBator

     Second that!

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     Second that!

     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2024 - 1:03 PM ET #327

    When Mr. B chastised you it is for real and he is good at it. an_worship

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    When Mr. B chastised you it is for real and he is good at it. an_worship

     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2024 - 1:06 PM ET #328

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    As promised, I am trying to get these up early.  I will update Friday evening with final spreads and units, including weather and injuries - but it will be very close to this. Included a column for line moves, and units accordingly. Final NFL Regular Season Record +64.25 units * Bucs         +3     (4 units)           3.5 (4.5), 2.5 (3)* Texans     +2.75  (3.5 units)       3 (4), 2.5 (3), 2 (2.5)* Steelers    +9.75 (2.5 units)       10.5 (3), 8 (2)* Cowboys    -7.5   (2 units)          -8 (1.5), -7 (2.5)* Dolphins    +4.5   (2 units)          5 (2.5), 3.5 (1.5)* Rams         +3.25 (1 unit)          3.5 (1.5), 2.5 (no bet) I will be around to write-up / discuss all.  Just wanted to get them up early.
    your just a terminator man even on a bad week you still win money what r u made from alligator skin lol and your bills Super Bowl looks really good I think. Bills first Super Bowl ever? Actually I’m not sure of u said bills Super Bowl but anyways can the man 

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    As promised, I am trying to get these up early.  I will update Friday evening with final spreads and units, including weather and injuries - but it will be very close to this. Included a column for line moves, and units accordingly. Final NFL Regular Season Record +64.25 units * Bucs         +3     (4 units)           3.5 (4.5), 2.5 (3)* Texans     +2.75  (3.5 units)       3 (4), 2.5 (3), 2 (2.5)* Steelers    +9.75 (2.5 units)       10.5 (3), 8 (2)* Cowboys    -7.5   (2 units)          -8 (1.5), -7 (2.5)* Dolphins    +4.5   (2 units)          5 (2.5), 3.5 (1.5)* Rams         +3.25 (1 unit)          3.5 (1.5), 2.5 (no bet) I will be around to write-up / discuss all.  Just wanted to get them up early.
    your just a terminator man even on a bad week you still win money what r u made from alligator skin lol and your bills Super Bowl looks really good I think. Bills first Super Bowl ever? Actually I’m not sure of u said bills Super Bowl but anyways can the man 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2024 - 1:08 PM ET #329

    Quote Originally Posted by PUSSYGALORE333:

    Quote Originally Posted by spicycurry: @BET2WIN4  THIS EXACTLY!! Hit it right on the spot, Vanzack totally thinks he’s better than everyone and then doesn’t include juice, in reality he’s just an average joe  up +5345  for the season at 100 per unit at (-110 juice) ....ya this van guy really sucks........   just an average joe.......
    I don’t think one other handicapper can do this. I do think Van is the best on here. The hardest thing why o don’t follow him it’s hard to wait every week and be so patient even after he got fkn buried 0-5 he came back like Tom Brady and absolutely nailed it man. Vanzack I honestly believe is a pro handicapper and if he’s not I would be asking whoever to stake him lol 

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSSYGALORE333:

    Quote Originally Posted by spicycurry: @BET2WIN4  THIS EXACTLY!! Hit it right on the spot, Vanzack totally thinks he’s better than everyone and then doesn’t include juice, in reality he’s just an average joe  up +5345  for the season at 100 per unit at (-110 juice) ....ya this van guy really sucks........   just an average joe.......
    I don’t think one other handicapper can do this. I do think Van is the best on here. The hardest thing why o don’t follow him it’s hard to wait every week and be so patient even after he got fkn buried 0-5 he came back like Tom Brady and absolutely nailed it man. Vanzack I honestly believe is a pro handicapper and if he’s not I would be asking whoever to stake him lol 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2024 - 1:10 PM ET #330

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaufee:

    been on this site since 2007. Vanzack is a good a guy as they come. He is a professional, does this for a living. If he comes off condescending, it’s b/c he’s trying to help morons that don’t understand odds and basic math. This site is loaded with morons, so I can’t blame the guy for occasionally getting frustrated.
    that’s how dumb I am this man gives us the fkn system so we can all make money and we still don’t listen to him. I will admit I think vanzack will go undefeated from here on out and honestly if I don’t listen to him it’s my own big headed problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaufee:

    been on this site since 2007. Vanzack is a good a guy as they come. He is a professional, does this for a living. If he comes off condescending, it’s b/c he’s trying to help morons that don’t understand odds and basic math. This site is loaded with morons, so I can’t blame the guy for occasionally getting frustrated.
    that’s how dumb I am this man gives us the fkn system so we can all make money and we still don’t listen to him. I will admit I think vanzack will go undefeated from here on out and honestly if I don’t listen to him it’s my own big headed problem

     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2024 - 1:44 PM ET #331

    Just getting back to this after doing some travelling to attend the Bucs / Eagles game last night...

    Even for covers, I am surprised reading this thread.  All in the context of what covers is and what it attracts...  But man there are some angry incels around here.  

    I enjoy a good sparring session on covers.  But these guys are so far below the capability of being able to conduct some kind of fun back and forth that I almost feel bad for picking on the developmentally disabled.  So I will pass.  It is the same people over and over - and it is tiresome - not fun.

    I genuinely thank everyone who has kind words to say.  Too many to thank individually under the covers format - but I did read the whole thread and I thank you.  I know that what I do does help people.  And I know we help the animal shelters also.  

    It burns the haters up that someone wins consistently, asks for nothing except for people to donate.  They want it to be not true.  So they peck away trying to get me to break.  Not happening.  I have even tried to have conversations here about suggestions for adding vig in to my record - because it is complicated and not so easy to do for many reasons - and nobody has suggested anything.  I am open.  Do I keep vig for what I get?  What the best price is at any book?  What the best price is at American books?  What the price is when I post?  What if it gets better or worse?  It aint so easy.  I am posting lines that are usually widely available in the -103 average range.

    Whatever vig you decide to add in takes my record over the past 7 winning seasons from great to still great.  Its like bringing sand to the beach.

    3-3, up 2 units so far on playoffs.  Not where I wanted to be - but much better than a kick to the nuts.

    On to next week!  I realized that posting early was a dumb move on my part.  I didnt think it all the way through.  I will post all 4 games this Friday. 

    Until then...

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    Just getting back to this after doing some travelling to attend the Bucs / Eagles game last night...

    Even for covers, I am surprised reading this thread.  All in the context of what covers is and what it attracts...  But man there are some angry incels around here.  

    I enjoy a good sparring session on covers.  But these guys are so far below the capability of being able to conduct some kind of fun back and forth that I almost feel bad for picking on the developmentally disabled.  So I will pass.  It is the same people over and over - and it is tiresome - not fun.

    I genuinely thank everyone who has kind words to say.  Too many to thank individually under the covers format - but I did read the whole thread and I thank you.  I know that what I do does help people.  And I know we help the animal shelters also.  

    It burns the haters up that someone wins consistently, asks for nothing except for people to donate.  They want it to be not true.  So they peck away trying to get me to break.  Not happening.  I have even tried to have conversations here about suggestions for adding vig in to my record - because it is complicated and not so easy to do for many reasons - and nobody has suggested anything.  I am open.  Do I keep vig for what I get?  What the best price is at any book?  What the best price is at American books?  What the price is when I post?  What if it gets better or worse?  It aint so easy.  I am posting lines that are usually widely available in the -103 average range.

    Whatever vig you decide to add in takes my record over the past 7 winning seasons from great to still great.  Its like bringing sand to the beach.

    3-3, up 2 units so far on playoffs.  Not where I wanted to be - but much better than a kick to the nuts.

    On to next week!  I realized that posting early was a dumb move on my part.  I didnt think it all the way through.  I will post all 4 games this Friday. 

    Until then...

    an_cheersan_praise

     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2024 - 1:49 PM ET #332

    Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:

    Quote Originally Posted by BET2WIN4: It’s not just that his takes or picks suck, it’s his condescending “I’m better than you” tone. Very fucking annoying tagged with I don’t pay juice   BET2WIN4, you don't deserve to win money betting on sports. I don't detect a condescending tone from Vanzack. What I detect is that his intellect leaves you feeling inferior, and that bothers you. Hey, his intellect sometimes leaves me feeling inferior, too, but I don't mind. I like to learn from him. I've been learning from him for twenty damn years now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:

    Quote Originally Posted by BET2WIN4: It’s not just that his takes or picks suck, it’s his condescending “I’m better than you” tone. Very fucking annoying tagged with I don’t pay juice   BET2WIN4, you don't deserve to win money betting on sports. I don't detect a condescending tone from Vanzack. What I detect is that his intellect leaves you feeling inferior, and that bothers you. Hey, his intellect sometimes leaves me feeling inferior, too, but I don't mind. I like to learn from him. I've been learning from him for twenty damn years now!

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    *** And the vig discussion is so important in my case because IT IS THE CORE OF MY PROCESS AND WHAT I HAVE PREACHED HERE FOR 2 DECADES.

    Getting the best line/price you can is the #1 thing a sports bettor can do to improve.  This is fundamental to me.

    So why would I post -110 prices, when the thought of paying -110 goes against everything I stand for?  (I dont mean -110 literally.  I mean when American books have a line at -110, I am getting the same spread cheaper)

    Think about it.

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    *** And the vig discussion is so important in my case because IT IS THE CORE OF MY PROCESS AND WHAT I HAVE PREACHED HERE FOR 2 DECADES.

    Getting the best line/price you can is the #1 thing a sports bettor can do to improve.  This is fundamental to me.

    So why would I post -110 prices, when the thought of paying -110 goes against everything I stand for?  (I dont mean -110 literally.  I mean when American books have a line at -110, I am getting the same spread cheaper)

    Think about it.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2024 - 1:53 PM ET #334

    Quote Originally Posted by DefenseWinsSB:

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack: As promised, I am trying to get these up early.  I will update Friday evening with final spreads and units, including weather and injuries - but it will be very close to this. Included a column for line moves, and units accordingly. Final NFL Regular Season Record +64.25 units * Bucs         +3     (4 units)           3.5 (4.5), 2.5 (3)* Texans     +2.75  (3.5 units)       3 (4), 2.5 (3), 2 (2.5)* Steelers    +9.75 (2.5 units)       10.5 (3), 8 (2)* Cowboys    -7.5   (2 units)          -8 (1.5), -7 (2.5)* Dolphins    +4.5   (2 units)          5 (2.5), 3.5 (1.5)* Rams         +3.25 (1 unit)          3.5 (1.5), 2.5 (no bet) I will be around to write-up / discuss all.  Just wanted to get them up early.your just a terminator man even on a bad week you still win money what r u made from alligator skin lol and your bills Super Bowl looks really good I think. Bills first Super Bowl ever? Actually I’m not sure of u said bills Super Bowl but anyways can the man

     

    This comment was made with regards to Super bowl odds prior to playoffs starting.  Several posts later it was stated he did not believe the Bills would actually win the SB, just that at the current odds, that was his pick.  

    All the pressure is on Josh Allen and the Bills this week..... KC playing with house money for probably first time since Mahomes was named starter peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack: As promised, I am trying to get these up early.  I will update Friday evening with final spreads and units, including weather and injuries - but it will be very close to this. Included a column for line moves, and units accordingly. Final NFL Regular Season Record +64.25 units * Bucs         +3     (4 units)           3.5 (4.5), 2.5 (3)* Texans     +2.75  (3.5 units)       3 (4), 2.5 (3), 2 (2.5)* Steelers    +9.75 (2.5 units)       10.5 (3), 8 (2)* Cowboys    -7.5   (2 units)          -8 (1.5), -7 (2.5)* Dolphins    +4.5   (2 units)          5 (2.5), 3.5 (1.5)* Rams         +3.25 (1 unit)          3.5 (1.5), 2.5 (no bet) I will be around to write-up / discuss all.  Just wanted to get them up early.your just a terminator man even on a bad week you still win money what r u made from alligator skin lol and your bills Super Bowl looks really good I think. Bills first Super Bowl ever? Actually I’m not sure of u said bills Super Bowl but anyways can the man

     

    This comment was made with regards to Super bowl odds prior to playoffs starting.  Several posts later it was stated he did not believe the Bills would actually win the SB, just that at the current odds, that was his pick.  

    All the pressure is on Josh Allen and the Bills this week..... KC playing with house money for probably first time since Mahomes was named starter peace_5

     
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    I like the Chiefs this week.

    I have a Bills ticket at 38-1 that I am probably going to get out of.  I dont think they can keep winning with a defense of reserves, and I think the Chiefs will win.  But if not the Chiefs - I dont see the Bills having much of a shot in Balt.  And if not Balt, then they have the Niners.  Just dont see it.

    But I am in a good position to sell now.

    Some might wonder about me "hedging".  Remember - if something fundamental has changed over time about a bet - it is a perfectly good spot to hedge.  And yes - I will be paying double vig on it when I do sell - but I feel like I overcome that double vig in this case.

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    I like the Chiefs this week.

    I have a Bills ticket at 38-1 that I am probably going to get out of.  I dont think they can keep winning with a defense of reserves, and I think the Chiefs will win.  But if not the Chiefs - I dont see the Bills having much of a shot in Balt.  And if not Balt, then they have the Niners.  Just dont see it.

    But I am in a good position to sell now.

    Some might wonder about me "hedging".  Remember - if something fundamental has changed over time about a bet - it is a perfectly good spot to hedge.  And yes - I will be paying double vig on it when I do sell - but I feel like I overcome that double vig in this case.

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     peace_5 I've made money following you and appreciate your process and educational posts. As you can see, I've been around for a long time but rarely post. When I see a few key board heros attacking someone who only wants to help others I have to speak up. Theres no rhyme or reason to it. Simple jealousy and the need for attention. You can't fix stupid. Thanks for your knowledge and willingess to share it. 

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     peace_5 I've made money following you and appreciate your process and educational posts. As you can see, I've been around for a long time but rarely post. When I see a few key board heros attacking someone who only wants to help others I have to speak up. Theres no rhyme or reason to it. Simple jealousy and the need for attention. You can't fix stupid. Thanks for your knowledge and willingess to share it. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Just getting back to this after doing some travelling to attend the Bucs / Eagles game last night... Even for covers, I am surprised reading this thread.  All in the context of what covers is and what it attracts...  But man there are some angry incels around here.   I enjoy a good sparring session on covers.  But these guys are so far below the capability of being able to conduct some kind of fun back and forth that I almost feel bad for picking on the developmentally disabled.  So I will pass.  It is the same people over and over - and it is tiresome - not fun. I genuinely thank everyone who has kind words to say.  Too many to thank individually under the covers format - but I did read the whole thread and I thank you.  I know that what I do does help people.  And I know we help the animal shelters also.   It burns the haters up that someone wins consistently, asks for nothing except for people to donate.  They want it to be not true.  So they peck away trying to get me to break.  Not happening.  I have even tried to have conversations here about suggestions for adding vig in to my record - because it is complicated and not so easy to do for many reasons - and nobody has suggested anything.  I am open.  Do I keep vig for what I get?  What the best price is at any book?  What the best price is at American books?  What the price is when I post?  What if it gets better or worse?  It aint so easy.  I am posting lines that are usually widely available in the -103 average range. Whatever vig you decide to add in takes my record over the past 7 winning seasons from great to still great.  Its like bringing sand to the beach. 3-3, up 2 units so far on playoffs.  Not where I wanted to be - but much better than a kick to the nuts. On to next week!  I realized that posting early was a dumb move on my part.  I didnt think it all the way through.  I will post all 4 games this Friday.  Until then...
    Thanks Van the Man peace_5an_cheers

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    Just getting back to this after doing some travelling to attend the Bucs / Eagles game last night... Even for covers, I am surprised reading this thread.  All in the context of what covers is and what it attracts...  But man there are some angry incels around here.   I enjoy a good sparring session on covers.  But these guys are so far below the capability of being able to conduct some kind of fun back and forth that I almost feel bad for picking on the developmentally disabled.  So I will pass.  It is the same people over and over - and it is tiresome - not fun. I genuinely thank everyone who has kind words to say.  Too many to thank individually under the covers format - but I did read the whole thread and I thank you.  I know that what I do does help people.  And I know we help the animal shelters also.   It burns the haters up that someone wins consistently, asks for nothing except for people to donate.  They want it to be not true.  So they peck away trying to get me to break.  Not happening.  I have even tried to have conversations here about suggestions for adding vig in to my record - because it is complicated and not so easy to do for many reasons - and nobody has suggested anything.  I am open.  Do I keep vig for what I get?  What the best price is at any book?  What the best price is at American books?  What the price is when I post?  What if it gets better or worse?  It aint so easy.  I am posting lines that are usually widely available in the -103 average range. Whatever vig you decide to add in takes my record over the past 7 winning seasons from great to still great.  Its like bringing sand to the beach. 3-3, up 2 units so far on playoffs.  Not where I wanted to be - but much better than a kick to the nuts. On to next week!  I realized that posting early was a dumb move on my part.  I didnt think it all the way through.  I will post all 4 games this Friday.  Until then...
    Thanks Van the Man peace_5an_cheers

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4loveofthegames:

    @vanzack   I've made money following you and appreciate your process and educational posts. As you can see, I've been around for a long time but rarely post. When I see a few key board heros attacking someone who only wants to help others I have to speak up. Theres no rhyme or reason to it. Simple jealousy and the need for attention. You can't fix stupid. Thanks for your knowledge and willingess to share it.

    MrBator, Kauffee, and now a 21 year covers member with only 4 posts!

    Epic thread.

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    @vanzack   I've made money following you and appreciate your process and educational posts. As you can see, I've been around for a long time but rarely post. When I see a few key board heros attacking someone who only wants to help others I have to speak up. Theres no rhyme or reason to it. Simple jealousy and the need for attention. You can't fix stupid. Thanks for your knowledge and willingess to share it.

    MrBator, Kauffee, and now a 21 year covers member with only 4 posts!

    Epic thread.

    Thanks

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    Are we not adults here? It's your money. Make your own bets. Take responsibility for your choices. Van is a resource. A tremendous resource. He's not my only resource but I pay attention to what he says. When I disagree with his pick, I have three options: play against him (which I seldom do); lay off (like Miami at KC); or look at the game again, change my mind, and bet with him (Houston v Cleveland). I come up with my own bets, check them against his and a couple other resources, and then I make my bets. Send 50 bucks to save some kittens. It's a good deal.

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    Are we not adults here? It's your money. Make your own bets. Take responsibility for your choices. Van is a resource. A tremendous resource. He's not my only resource but I pay attention to what he says. When I disagree with his pick, I have three options: play against him (which I seldom do); lay off (like Miami at KC); or look at the game again, change my mind, and bet with him (Houston v Cleveland). I come up with my own bets, check them against his and a couple other resources, and then I make my bets. Send 50 bucks to save some kittens. It's a good deal.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:

    Are we not adults here? It's your money. Make your own bets. Take responsibility for your choices. Van is a resource. A tremendous resource. He's not my only resource but I pay attention to what he says. When I disagree with his pick, I have three options: play against him (which I seldom do); lay off (like Miami at KC); or look at the game again, change my mind, and bet with him (Houston v Cleveland). I come up with my own bets, check them against his and a couple other resources, and then I make my bets. Send 50 bucks to save some kittens. It's a good deal.

    Thanks Skipster.  Seems pretty simple.

    Especially the part about saving the kittens.

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    Are we not adults here? It's your money. Make your own bets. Take responsibility for your choices. Van is a resource. A tremendous resource. He's not my only resource but I pay attention to what he says. When I disagree with his pick, I have three options: play against him (which I seldom do); lay off (like Miami at KC); or look at the game again, change my mind, and bet with him (Houston v Cleveland). I come up with my own bets, check them against his and a couple other resources, and then I make my bets. Send 50 bucks to save some kittens. It's a good deal.

    Thanks Skipster.  Seems pretty simple.

    Especially the part about saving the kittens.

    Thanks

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     You know it is really a shame all the good people that were on covers that were run off by the TROLLS, they been on Van since I been on here. Not this group but the same kind of trolls that use the internet to harass others just because they think it is fun or maybe it makes them feel tuff, who knows why they get off on it.

    Your a class Dude Van and I am sure you can handle these kids.

    Congrats on another winning week.

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     You know it is really a shame all the good people that were on covers that were run off by the TROLLS, they been on Van since I been on here. Not this group but the same kind of trolls that use the internet to harass others just because they think it is fun or maybe it makes them feel tuff, who knows why they get off on it.

    Your a class Dude Van and I am sure you can handle these kids.

    Congrats on another winning week.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    *** And the vig discussion is so important in my case because IT IS THE CORE OF MY PROCESS AND WHAT I HAVE PREACHED HERE FOR 2 DECADES. Getting the best line/price you can is the #1 thing a sports bettor can do to improve.  This is fundamental to me. So why would I post -110 prices, when the thought of paying -110 goes against everything I stand for?  (I dont mean -110 literally.  I mean when American books have a line at -110, I am getting the same spread cheaper) Think about it.
    I honestly don't think you should include the vig at all in your posts. It is very important indeed, and especially to you because it's your bets/money. Most of the guys here just want a hand out i.e a winning pick. They could care less if you got -110 or -108.....obviously it matters for the bottom line, but only if you're really keeping records and trying to find the lowest juice. These guys are mostly what my dad calls "Yeahbut guys"......No matter what you do, they'll say "Yeah,but....".....So your record is great and of course winning.....but now we are talking about HOW MUCH YOU WON and some are arguing about it instead of looking ahead to the next bet......

     

     

    As far as KC/Buffalo goes.....sure, Buffalo has injuries.....but can KC exploit them with limited weapons? Can the KC D contain Allen? Mahomes 1st road playoff game ever.....an_roll_laugh

     

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    *** And the vig discussion is so important in my case because IT IS THE CORE OF MY PROCESS AND WHAT I HAVE PREACHED HERE FOR 2 DECADES. Getting the best line/price you can is the #1 thing a sports bettor can do to improve.  This is fundamental to me. So why would I post -110 prices, when the thought of paying -110 goes against everything I stand for?  (I dont mean -110 literally.  I mean when American books have a line at -110, I am getting the same spread cheaper) Think about it.
    I honestly don't think you should include the vig at all in your posts. It is very important indeed, and especially to you because it's your bets/money. Most of the guys here just want a hand out i.e a winning pick. They could care less if you got -110 or -108.....obviously it matters for the bottom line, but only if you're really keeping records and trying to find the lowest juice. These guys are mostly what my dad calls "Yeahbut guys"......No matter what you do, they'll say "Yeah,but....".....So your record is great and of course winning.....but now we are talking about HOW MUCH YOU WON and some are arguing about it instead of looking ahead to the next bet......

     

     

    As far as KC/Buffalo goes.....sure, Buffalo has injuries.....but can KC exploit them with limited weapons? Can the KC D contain Allen? Mahomes 1st road playoff game ever.....an_roll_laugh

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by BET2WIN4:

    It’s not just that his takes or picks suck, it’s his condescending “I’m better than you” tone. Very fucking annoying tagged with I don’t pay juice
       kind a like a guy with good polices but don't like the guy....very interesting....an_roll_laugh

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    It’s not just that his takes or picks suck, it’s his condescending “I’m better than you” tone. Very fucking annoying tagged with I don’t pay juice
       kind a like a guy with good polices but don't like the guy....very interesting....an_roll_laugh

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radon4ever:

    The guy talks about all the women he gets and yachts that he has . He absolutely sounds like the biggest d bag ever. He is a complete loser in the real world 100 percent. If you saw this guy in real world and what his real life is you would probably buy him a Big Mac. On this site you can create any image or character you want. Packerbacker is another arrogant , angry jagoff. Look, if you have a poster who is a legend or veteran and posting day in and day out for years , they are absolutely losers in life. Think about it. What succesful man is going to live on a site like covers posting thousands upon thousands of posts about sportsbetting.  Where do all wealthy ,successful people hang for 20 years? Covers of course. ?? ?? ??
         guy hands you money but you don't take it because you don't like the guy....an_roll_laugh

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    The guy talks about all the women he gets and yachts that he has . He absolutely sounds like the biggest d bag ever. He is a complete loser in the real world 100 percent. If you saw this guy in real world and what his real life is you would probably buy him a Big Mac. On this site you can create any image or character you want. Packerbacker is another arrogant , angry jagoff. Look, if you have a poster who is a legend or veteran and posting day in and day out for years , they are absolutely losers in life. Think about it. What succesful man is going to live on a site like covers posting thousands upon thousands of posts about sportsbetting.  Where do all wealthy ,successful people hang for 20 years? Covers of course. ?? ?? ??
         guy hands you money but you don't take it because you don't like the guy....an_roll_laugh

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Covers is Covers. 90% are cool.....but OUTWEIGHED heavily somehow by the other 10%.....
      percentage sounds like american population........an_roll_laugh

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    Covers is Covers. 90% are cool.....but OUTWEIGHED heavily somehow by the other 10%.....
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     Think it might be higher than 10% out in America in this time frame.

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     As far as KC/Buffalo goes.....sure, Buffalo has injuries.....but can KC exploit them with limited weapons? Can the KC D contain Allen? Mahomes 1st road playoff game ever.....

     

    The "Mahomes 1st road playoff game ever" thing we all knew was going to be the most talked about talking head point prior to this matchup coming to fruition.  I think it is overrated personally.  KC was 6-2 on the road this year, only 5-4 at home.  Without looking it up, I'd guess that KC's ATS road record is much better than their home record since Andy & Mahomes teamed up.  

    Mahomes HOME/ROAD splits are essentially the SAME winning percentage:

    Road record all time: 38-11 (77.6%)
    Home record: 47-13 (78.3%)

    I said this last week but it goes again for this week, the KC offense doesn't have trouble moving the ball.  They are a far cry from past teams in scoring ppg but their offense is still highly efficient, 8th overall in NFL.  The problem is they are average at best in the Red Zone, as seen last week vs. Miami when they kicked FOUR FGs inside the RZ and the game went UNDER.  

    The matchup earlier this season KC had the same problems.  KC lost that game only scoring 17 points.  They held Allen in check in the passing game but gave up a lot of yards on the ground, Bills ran it 28 times or so with Allen having double digits carries.  I would expect KC's dominant pass defense to approach this the same way with similar results.  IF the Bills can have the same success running then they will have a good chance of winning this game.  

    Allen did not have any turnovers yesterday.  He has failed to complete two consecutive games on the year without turning the ball over.  Question of "when" he will turn it over and "what" KC will do with that TO is a big one.  

    I also thought it was interesting they opened this line -2.5 instead of -3.  

    KC's defense is playing at their ceiling right now, the Bills defense is beat up and not close to their best.  Offensively, both teams should have success moving the ball but RZ scoring will be the difference here.  TDs will beat the Bills, not FGs.  Already mentioned the TO factor with Allen.  This is the Bills chance to "get the monkey off their back" but all the pressure is on them at home while Mahomes is playing with house money for essentially the first time in the post-season.  Should be a great game peace_5

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     As far as KC/Buffalo goes.....sure, Buffalo has injuries.....but can KC exploit them with limited weapons? Can the KC D contain Allen? Mahomes 1st road playoff game ever.....

     

    The "Mahomes 1st road playoff game ever" thing we all knew was going to be the most talked about talking head point prior to this matchup coming to fruition.  I think it is overrated personally.  KC was 6-2 on the road this year, only 5-4 at home.  Without looking it up, I'd guess that KC's ATS road record is much better than their home record since Andy & Mahomes teamed up.  

    Mahomes HOME/ROAD splits are essentially the SAME winning percentage:

    Road record all time: 38-11 (77.6%)
    Home record: 47-13 (78.3%)

    I said this last week but it goes again for this week, the KC offense doesn't have trouble moving the ball.  They are a far cry from past teams in scoring ppg but their offense is still highly efficient, 8th overall in NFL.  The problem is they are average at best in the Red Zone, as seen last week vs. Miami when they kicked FOUR FGs inside the RZ and the game went UNDER.  

    The matchup earlier this season KC had the same problems.  KC lost that game only scoring 17 points.  They held Allen in check in the passing game but gave up a lot of yards on the ground, Bills ran it 28 times or so with Allen having double digits carries.  I would expect KC's dominant pass defense to approach this the same way with similar results.  IF the Bills can have the same success running then they will have a good chance of winning this game.  

    Allen did not have any turnovers yesterday.  He has failed to complete two consecutive games on the year without turning the ball over.  Question of "when" he will turn it over and "what" KC will do with that TO is a big one.  

    I also thought it was interesting they opened this line -2.5 instead of -3.  

    KC's defense is playing at their ceiling right now, the Bills defense is beat up and not close to their best.  Offensively, both teams should have success moving the ball but RZ scoring will be the difference here.  TDs will beat the Bills, not FGs.  Already mentioned the TO factor with Allen.  This is the Bills chance to "get the monkey off their back" but all the pressure is on them at home while Mahomes is playing with house money for essentially the first time in the post-season.  Should be a great game peace_5

     
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