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    tuttleberry
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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2011 - 2:12 PM ET #51

    Quote Originally Posted by kaboons:

    post 221

    you were right, that is why is so hard to pick some games but others are obvioulsy going to be fixed.. for what reason who knows (most these players blow there millions on rims and what not) it looks more like a collaborative effort.

    i know it sounds like a boring story but. just about every game was fixed across the board one way or the other.  gb bears 10-3 cutler plays for no motive but still doesnt get close.  Did anyone else see he body language the last minute he was slow as fuck getting to the line.. sure u can say he had the playoff spot wrapped up. then why play him?  colts titans (block in the back at the end of the 1st half to make sure he didnt run back the td. replay showed he hit him square in the chest.  then when the jags game was announced finished. the colts get the ball back and manning plays like jesus to finish the game.  denver scores 2 quick td's to cover the spread. and the skins if no one has noticed by now they cover every 3.5 spread at home with a 60 yard td pass in the last 3minutes.   DONT BE SURPRISED TO SEE THE PATRIOTS IN THE SUPER BOWL AVERGING 30points like they did that a few years ago and have the lowest scoring game of their year in the super bowl.... just saying.  if your going to bet pick 1 or 2 games and go against the public regardless how ridiclous the bet


    Let me first just say that I believe in NFL fixes, and also bad breaks that everyone on the field is aware will affect the game vs. the spread.

    (1) Yesterday Covers 60+% consensus teams, all favs, went 4-3 ATS. They were Atl W, Pit W, NYJ W, NEP W, NYG L, Ind L, SLR L. I don't know if these consensus teams actually had lots of public money on them with the large books, but I'll just assume they did.

    (2) Regarding Cutler's laziness at the end of the game: I think that's just a product of him not actually caring if they won or lost. I don't think that's part of any fix. It's obvious Chicago would have liked to win yesterday, but imo, they would have liked to win from ahead. I don't think Cutler and some of the other offensive players were too interested in making a gutty 4th quarter effort. By the way, Chicago covered, and I think the public money was tilted slightly to Chi +10. So, I don't think any book benefitted from Chicago lolligagging it on offense.

    (3) Tenn/Indy: I'm always shocked at how many shady things I can spot in a Colts game. I'll always see something. Yesterday, I don't think I ever felt like Indy was going to cover at any point. The most shady thing was Collins fumbling the snap and then not falling on it. Very, Very odd. Yes, and then, like you said, here comes Peyton galloping in to save the day even after Jax had fallen way behind. Maybe there was a lot of public money on Ten ML, although I don't know why the public as a whole would do that. I don't know. Very shady, but I don't know. Gun to my head, I would say it was all coincidence. Especially since Ten covered the number.

    (4) Denver scoring 2 quick TD's to cover: They didn't push all the fav bettors. The entire week, the line was SD -3.5. I don't think it went to 5 until a few hours before kickoff. Also, I'm not sure that SD was the team with all the money on it. A lot of people were liking Denver's chances in this game. This might have been an even-money-split game at the books.

    (5) Washington 4-0 ATS last 4 games even though they were 1-3 SU: yes, yes, here is something to be interested in. Lost to TB 17-16 on the missed extra point but covered the 1.5 (some people pushed at 1). At first I was livid when I saw this, but then I heard Hunter Smith got cut over this play. Made me feel a little better. Still fishy though. Lost to Dal 33-30 but covered 6.5 thanks to an absurd 2nd half rally. What can you say? It was 27-7 in the 3rd quarter and Dallas laid down. Beat Jax 20-17: this is fine. They won the game. Lost to NYG 17-14 but covered the 3.5 on the bomb you mentioned with almost 6 minutes left. I don't know what to say. Busted coverage for NYG. Very odd that after Wash hit that bomb, nobody scored after that. Very odd. And yes, NYG -3.5 was a large public play at the books yesterday.

    (6) And then of course, last night. SLR, the big pub road fav, failed to do the job on offense. I don't know. If it was a close game, I might be a little more inclined to look for little things like the phantom 1st down, but Sea just totally shut SL down last night. Bradford is not that good. I'm sure he was trying as best he could out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaboons:

    post 221

    you were right, that is why is so hard to pick some games but others are obvioulsy going to be fixed.. for what reason who knows (most these players blow there millions on rims and what not) it looks more like a collaborative effort.

    i know it sounds like a boring story but. just about every game was fixed across the board one way or the other.  gb bears 10-3 cutler plays for no motive but still doesnt get close.  Did anyone else see he body language the last minute he was slow as fuck getting to the line.. sure u can say he had the playoff spot wrapped up. then why play him?  colts titans (block in the back at the end of the 1st half to make sure he didnt run back the td. replay showed he hit him square in the chest.  then when the jags game was announced finished. the colts get the ball back and manning plays like jesus to finish the game.  denver scores 2 quick td's to cover the spread. and the skins if no one has noticed by now they cover every 3.5 spread at home with a 60 yard td pass in the last 3minutes.   DONT BE SURPRISED TO SEE THE PATRIOTS IN THE SUPER BOWL AVERGING 30points like they did that a few years ago and have the lowest scoring game of their year in the super bowl.... just saying.  if your going to bet pick 1 or 2 games and go against the public regardless how ridiclous the bet


    Let me first just say that I believe in NFL fixes, and also bad breaks that everyone on the field is aware will affect the game vs. the spread.

    (1) Yesterday Covers 60+% consensus teams, all favs, went 4-3 ATS. They were Atl W, Pit W, NYJ W, NEP W, NYG L, Ind L, SLR L. I don't know if these consensus teams actually had lots of public money on them with the large books, but I'll just assume they did.

    (2) Regarding Cutler's laziness at the end of the game: I think that's just a product of him not actually caring if they won or lost. I don't think that's part of any fix. It's obvious Chicago would have liked to win yesterday, but imo, they would have liked to win from ahead. I don't think Cutler and some of the other offensive players were too interested in making a gutty 4th quarter effort. By the way, Chicago covered, and I think the public money was tilted slightly to Chi +10. So, I don't think any book benefitted from Chicago lolligagging it on offense.

    (3) Tenn/Indy: I'm always shocked at how many shady things I can spot in a Colts game. I'll always see something. Yesterday, I don't think I ever felt like Indy was going to cover at any point. The most shady thing was Collins fumbling the snap and then not falling on it. Very, Very odd. Yes, and then, like you said, here comes Peyton galloping in to save the day even after Jax had fallen way behind. Maybe there was a lot of public money on Ten ML, although I don't know why the public as a whole would do that. I don't know. Very shady, but I don't know. Gun to my head, I would say it was all coincidence. Especially since Ten covered the number.

    (4) Denver scoring 2 quick TD's to cover: They didn't push all the fav bettors. The entire week, the line was SD -3.5. I don't think it went to 5 until a few hours before kickoff. Also, I'm not sure that SD was the team with all the money on it. A lot of people were liking Denver's chances in this game. This might have been an even-money-split game at the books.

    (5) Washington 4-0 ATS last 4 games even though they were 1-3 SU: yes, yes, here is something to be interested in. Lost to TB 17-16 on the missed extra point but covered the 1.5 (some people pushed at 1). At first I was livid when I saw this, but then I heard Hunter Smith got cut over this play. Made me feel a little better. Still fishy though. Lost to Dal 33-30 but covered 6.5 thanks to an absurd 2nd half rally. What can you say? It was 27-7 in the 3rd quarter and Dallas laid down. Beat Jax 20-17: this is fine. They won the game. Lost to NYG 17-14 but covered the 3.5 on the bomb you mentioned with almost 6 minutes left. I don't know what to say. Busted coverage for NYG. Very odd that after Wash hit that bomb, nobody scored after that. Very odd. And yes, NYG -3.5 was a large public play at the books yesterday.

    (6) And then of course, last night. SLR, the big pub road fav, failed to do the job on offense. I don't know. If it was a close game, I might be a little more inclined to look for little things like the phantom 1st down, but Sea just totally shut SL down last night. Bradford is not that good. I'm sure he was trying as best he could out there.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2011 - 2:30 PM ET #52

    If there was any fix it was the play calling of Rams' coach Steve Spagnuolo's conservative, defensive-minded approach until the mid-4th qtr--after his team was in dire straights!
    As far as Sam Bradford, he had several catchable balls dropped by receivers, who looked anything but deserving playoff contenders.
    Obviously the INT he threw was disastrous, but if the receivers had done their job he probably wouldn't have been put in that predicament.
    I had St. Louis ML parlayed with the under and it was a "torturous" game to watch.



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    If there was any fix it was the play calling of Rams' coach Steve Spagnuolo's conservative, defensive-minded approach until the mid-4th qtr--after his team was in dire straights!
    As far as Sam Bradford, he had several catchable balls dropped by receivers, who looked anything but deserving playoff contenders.
    Obviously the INT he threw was disastrous, but if the receivers had done their job he probably wouldn't have been put in that predicament.
    I had St. Louis ML parlayed with the under and it was a "torturous" game to watch.



     
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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2011 - 4:03 PM ET #53

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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2011 - 4:30 PM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by dont_bet:

    if Hasselbitch plays next week then slam all you got on the opposite team.  I picked Seattle and was a little nervous at first until I turned on the TV and Whitehurst was the QB instead.

    hassel is the worst in the NFL..hurt hip running? how old is he
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    Quote Originally Posted by dont_bet:

    if Hasselbitch plays next week then slam all you got on the opposite team.  I picked Seattle and was a little nervous at first until I turned on the TV and Whitehurst was the QB instead.

    hassel is the worst in the NFL..hurt hip running? how old is he
     
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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2011 - 5:11 PM ET #55

    tuttleberry i enjoy reading your posts.

    to add on to the washington tampa game.  Do u recall the whole strange thing about the 5 downs.  Who knows maybe the refs did get it right and the chain gang got it wrong but everyone was confused on that.  IF you recall when mike shanahan was coaching denver, they were favored or dogs by 1.5 and on a 4th and goal the refs called roughing the passer and cutler was not touched (the closest guy was 5 yards away) they showed no reply (i have tivo) and denver scored and went for 2 instead of the tie.  Didnt cover by .5 reminded me of the tampa wash game.  Shanahan now coach of washington.  and for the cutting of the long snapper thats just compensation to cover anything up.

    If you were a CEO of a company and you and your accountant committed tax fraud wouldnt u fire him to show your innocence?

    oh well regardless of what happened thats why they it gambling.

    Funny how millions of people are wrong and lose their money on the game and the handful of guys in vegas make money.  Those vegas guys should run for government and budget the country if they were really that good
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    tuttleberry i enjoy reading your posts.

    to add on to the washington tampa game.  Do u recall the whole strange thing about the 5 downs.  Who knows maybe the refs did get it right and the chain gang got it wrong but everyone was confused on that.  IF you recall when mike shanahan was coaching denver, they were favored or dogs by 1.5 and on a 4th and goal the refs called roughing the passer and cutler was not touched (the closest guy was 5 yards away) they showed no reply (i have tivo) and denver scored and went for 2 instead of the tie.  Didnt cover by .5 reminded me of the tampa wash game.  Shanahan now coach of washington.  and for the cutting of the long snapper thats just compensation to cover anything up.

    If you were a CEO of a company and you and your accountant committed tax fraud wouldnt u fire him to show your innocence?

    oh well regardless of what happened thats why they it gambling.

    Funny how millions of people are wrong and lose their money on the game and the handful of guys in vegas make money.  Those vegas guys should run for government and budget the country if they were really that good
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaboons:

    tuttleberry i enjoy reading your posts.

    to add on to the washington tampa game.  Do u recall the whole strange thing about the 5 downs.  Who knows maybe the refs did get it right and the chain gang got it wrong but everyone was confused on that.  IF you recall when mike shanahan was coaching denver, they were favored or dogs by 1.5 and on a 4th and goal the refs called roughing the passer and cutler was not touched (the closest guy was 5 yards away) they showed no reply (i have tivo) and denver scored and went for 2 instead of the tie.  Didnt cover by .5 reminded me of the tampa wash game.  Shanahan now coach of washington.  and for the cutting of the long snapper thats just compensation to cover anything up.

    If you were a CEO of a company and you and your accountant committed tax fraud wouldnt u fire him to show your innocence?

    oh well regardless of what happened thats why they it gambling.

    Funny how millions of people are wrong and lose their money on the game and the handful of guys in vegas make money.  Those vegas guys should run for government and budget the country if they were really that good


    (1) The 5 down thing has no merit, because the mistake happened on 1st down. Everyone in the building knew what the posted downs were. It's just the TV crew that got the next few plays wrong. If the refs had made it 2nd-and-1 instead of 1st-and-10, the Skins would have had the option to run a play to pick up a few yards and get the first. As it turned out, they didn't need to do that.

    (2) I don't remember a Cutler game with a roughing call. The game I think you're talking about is the Cutler fumble-turned-incompletion, which allowed Denver to keep the ball at the end of the game, score a TD, and then inexplicably go for 2 and get it, which gave them a 39-38 win, and a push for the books, as Denver was favored by 1. Very shady, and I wonder how many people had Denver -1.5 in that game. And yes, you're right. Shanahan was the coach. How interesting. That fumble-turned-incompletion actually caused a change in the replay rules, as teams are now allowed to challenge dead-ball fumbles.

    (3) Yes, you're right. Washington could have cut Hunter Smith as a "cosmetic" thing to make it look like they were upset about the botched snap in the TB game, when in reality they wanted the botch to happen. I remember that when the TB players were giving interviews after the game, one TB player said as he looked out onto the field, something didn't seem right. He said he knew they were going to miss it. Now, when in your life have you ever heard that a player on the sidelines said that he somehow knew an extra point was going to be missed? Why would anyone think of that? How could anyone know? Just the fact that the TB player said this makes you think. Forget about if he actually knew or not. That's not my point.

    Good post kaboons. see you around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaboons:

    tuttleberry i enjoy reading your posts.

    to add on to the washington tampa game.  Do u recall the whole strange thing about the 5 downs.  Who knows maybe the refs did get it right and the chain gang got it wrong but everyone was confused on that.  IF you recall when mike shanahan was coaching denver, they were favored or dogs by 1.5 and on a 4th and goal the refs called roughing the passer and cutler was not touched (the closest guy was 5 yards away) they showed no reply (i have tivo) and denver scored and went for 2 instead of the tie.  Didnt cover by .5 reminded me of the tampa wash game.  Shanahan now coach of washington.  and for the cutting of the long snapper thats just compensation to cover anything up.

    If you were a CEO of a company and you and your accountant committed tax fraud wouldnt u fire him to show your innocence?

    oh well regardless of what happened thats why they it gambling.

    Funny how millions of people are wrong and lose their money on the game and the handful of guys in vegas make money.  Those vegas guys should run for government and budget the country if they were really that good


    (1) The 5 down thing has no merit, because the mistake happened on 1st down. Everyone in the building knew what the posted downs were. It's just the TV crew that got the next few plays wrong. If the refs had made it 2nd-and-1 instead of 1st-and-10, the Skins would have had the option to run a play to pick up a few yards and get the first. As it turned out, they didn't need to do that.

    (2) I don't remember a Cutler game with a roughing call. The game I think you're talking about is the Cutler fumble-turned-incompletion, which allowed Denver to keep the ball at the end of the game, score a TD, and then inexplicably go for 2 and get it, which gave them a 39-38 win, and a push for the books, as Denver was favored by 1. Very shady, and I wonder how many people had Denver -1.5 in that game. And yes, you're right. Shanahan was the coach. How interesting. That fumble-turned-incompletion actually caused a change in the replay rules, as teams are now allowed to challenge dead-ball fumbles.

    (3) Yes, you're right. Washington could have cut Hunter Smith as a "cosmetic" thing to make it look like they were upset about the botched snap in the TB game, when in reality they wanted the botch to happen. I remember that when the TB players were giving interviews after the game, one TB player said as he looked out onto the field, something didn't seem right. He said he knew they were going to miss it. Now, when in your life have you ever heard that a player on the sidelines said that he somehow knew an extra point was going to be missed? Why would anyone think of that? How could anyone know? Just the fact that the TB player said this makes you think. Forget about if he actually knew or not. That's not my point.

    Good post kaboons. see you around.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2011 - 9:51 PM ET #57

    hey tuttleberry

    i have always been known for a good memory, i think u have one too.
    that was right incomplete call on the fumble i believe there was a strange roughing call too.  Thanks for the posts ill see ya around buddy
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    hey tuttleberry

    i have always been known for a good memory, i think u have one too.
    that was right incomplete call on the fumble i believe there was a strange roughing call too.  Thanks for the posts ill see ya around buddy
     
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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2011 - 9:59 PM ET #58

    the guys in this forum who holler "fix" are always prospects- with out fail
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    the guys in this forum who holler "fix" are always prospects- with out fail
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2011 - 3:39 PM ET #59

    bigpoosl/BIGGEST FIX EVER! in nfl history
    bigFnPOO
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    bigpoosl/BIGGEST FIX EVER! in nfl history
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2011 - 3:44 PM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by BIGfnPOO:

    bigpoosl/BIGGEST FIX EVER! in nfl history

    You talking about tuttleberry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGfnPOO:

    bigpoosl/BIGGEST FIX EVER! in nfl history

    You talking about tuttleberry?
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