No Fair League
Ditto here, DK.
@Raiders22
So first of all let me say this- I don’t expect a perfectly called football game. I do 100% agree that officiating in real time is extremely difficult. That being said, some of these things are happening with a referee standing right there. The bottom line is that there has to be a solution. I’ll use the greatest example I can possibly think of to further my point.
Let’s revisit the 2018 NFC Championship game. I don’t think I even have to state the missed call that I’m referring to. To say that penalties missed or made shouldn’t be reviewable is to say that the missed PI in that game is acceptable. If the referee didn’t see it, ok…sure. There’s enormous screens in the stadium that show you exactly what happened immediately after it happened. Why is that not enough to trigger some kind of stoppage/NY replay assist/or at the very least allow a coach to challenge? And this is not a rhetorical question. Please. Somebody. Anybody! Tell me why I’m being unreasonable. And the only answer I will flat out not accept is that we can’t afford to slow the game down anymore.
Let me put this in a broader perspective (that may be looked at as an overreaction, that’s fine). In what world does it make sense that the truth of what happened is right in front of your face, videotaped and replayed in slow motion, and you still can say “well, I didn’t see it…oh well!” And I’m not even talking about in sports in particular. I’m talking about hypothetically any real life physical action in the world. I mean seriously, think about it.
“Sorry, I didn’t see it.”
”Sure you did. I just showed it to you on a giant screen, in slow motion, and zoomed in on it to make sure that you couldn’t possibly miss it”
@Raiders22
So first of all let me say this- I don’t expect a perfectly called football game. I do 100% agree that officiating in real time is extremely difficult. That being said, some of these things are happening with a referee standing right there. The bottom line is that there has to be a solution. I’ll use the greatest example I can possibly think of to further my point.
Let’s revisit the 2018 NFC Championship game. I don’t think I even have to state the missed call that I’m referring to. To say that penalties missed or made shouldn’t be reviewable is to say that the missed PI in that game is acceptable. If the referee didn’t see it, ok…sure. There’s enormous screens in the stadium that show you exactly what happened immediately after it happened. Why is that not enough to trigger some kind of stoppage/NY replay assist/or at the very least allow a coach to challenge? And this is not a rhetorical question. Please. Somebody. Anybody! Tell me why I’m being unreasonable. And the only answer I will flat out not accept is that we can’t afford to slow the game down anymore.
Let me put this in a broader perspective (that may be looked at as an overreaction, that’s fine). In what world does it make sense that the truth of what happened is right in front of your face, videotaped and replayed in slow motion, and you still can say “well, I didn’t see it…oh well!” And I’m not even talking about in sports in particular. I’m talking about hypothetically any real life physical action in the world. I mean seriously, think about it.
“Sorry, I didn’t see it.”
”Sure you did. I just showed it to you on a giant screen, in slow motion, and zoomed in on it to make sure that you couldn’t possibly miss it”
@Raiders22
And to answer some of your questions, I believe I came up with a logical solution. Instead of pausing after every play to check for errors, just allow the coaches challenges to be used. This way everyone can be somewhat satisfied. The refs are not held entirely accountable for mistakes as they shouldn’t be. After all they can’t see everything and I think that’s fair.
So the coach can use a challenge for basically anything in the game. The challenge goes directly to a command center where a group of highly informed professionals have to make a judgement call with the official rules as a guideline. The call is then explained in a simple 30 second explanation to the audience by the head referee. And the game goes on. Once all challenges are used you’re now subject to the officials having the last say on the field. To be honest I still think it can be done without using coaches challenges, but it’s a fair starting point. It’s logical and it would improve the game and I don’t see how anyone can disagree. ![]()
@Raiders22
And to answer some of your questions, I believe I came up with a logical solution. Instead of pausing after every play to check for errors, just allow the coaches challenges to be used. This way everyone can be somewhat satisfied. The refs are not held entirely accountable for mistakes as they shouldn’t be. After all they can’t see everything and I think that’s fair.
So the coach can use a challenge for basically anything in the game. The challenge goes directly to a command center where a group of highly informed professionals have to make a judgement call with the official rules as a guideline. The call is then explained in a simple 30 second explanation to the audience by the head referee. And the game goes on. Once all challenges are used you’re now subject to the officials having the last say on the field. To be honest I still think it can be done without using coaches challenges, but it’s a fair starting point. It’s logical and it would improve the game and I don’t see how anyone can disagree. ![]()
@brn2loslive2win
Maybe it is an idea.
But when you have a crucial hold or PI penalty that is not called and they challenge it there may be some other issues.
For example, some of those calls really are ref’s discretion in a sense.
But if the coach saw one he thinks was blatantly missed or his assistants or players did, then maybe it could be a challenge.
Maybe if they were just limited to 3 for each coach it would not be too bad.
The one call from back then, that I assume you are referring to, I did a big write up back then and another somewhat later. I pointed out that that was not the game-decider the fans made it out to be. There was also a previously missed call right before on that team. They also had other chances to win the game and prevent the other team from beating them.
BUT you are correct that it was a blatant missed call and under your system would have clearly been challenged and overturned.
So, that is a good example of one that would be good. Even though as a game changer it was loser’s sour grapes using it as an excuse for losing the game.
But on the other hand, the other team’s coach could have used his challenge on the previous missed call and it would have been overturned first.
Then that team never gets the ball back to try to win and would not even have had a missed PI call to challenge.
So, there are a lot of ways to look at it.
Maybe, blatant misses should be challenged and NY could overrule.
I will say they have gotten so quick at reviewing and alerting officials on the field ahead of time now on things.
Have you seen the setup they use. Very cool. They have multiple views going all at once with a lot of folks watching for stuff. ![]()
@brn2loslive2win
Maybe it is an idea.
But when you have a crucial hold or PI penalty that is not called and they challenge it there may be some other issues.
For example, some of those calls really are ref’s discretion in a sense.
But if the coach saw one he thinks was blatantly missed or his assistants or players did, then maybe it could be a challenge.
Maybe if they were just limited to 3 for each coach it would not be too bad.
The one call from back then, that I assume you are referring to, I did a big write up back then and another somewhat later. I pointed out that that was not the game-decider the fans made it out to be. There was also a previously missed call right before on that team. They also had other chances to win the game and prevent the other team from beating them.
BUT you are correct that it was a blatant missed call and under your system would have clearly been challenged and overturned.
So, that is a good example of one that would be good. Even though as a game changer it was loser’s sour grapes using it as an excuse for losing the game.
But on the other hand, the other team’s coach could have used his challenge on the previous missed call and it would have been overturned first.
Then that team never gets the ball back to try to win and would not even have had a missed PI call to challenge.
So, there are a lot of ways to look at it.
Maybe, blatant misses should be challenged and NY could overrule.
I will say they have gotten so quick at reviewing and alerting officials on the field ahead of time now on things.
Have you seen the setup they use. Very cool. They have multiple views going all at once with a lot of folks watching for stuff. ![]()
McDermott called timeout and asked the ref about it. The ref told him NY had already looked at it and agreed with the call on the field. ![]()
McDermott called timeout and asked the ref about it. The ref told him NY had already looked at it and agreed with the call on the field. ![]()
@Raiders22
Whether that missed call in the 2018 NFCCG was what decided the outcome is up for debate. Just like any other call is. You can always say that if the team hadn’t done this this and that then they never would have been in that position. I’m fine with that. The point I was making is that this is exactly the type of call that can be easily corrected using review.
The ones I want to see reviewable and reversed are those very blatant ones. I agree that most calls in the game are made at the discretion of the refs and that you can’t always say that it was right or wrong. Those are the ones we just have to live with. Again, it’s an imperfect game. The others are the main issue. Just for hahas I’ll bring up last night’s CFP National Championship. I’m assuming you watched it.
There was a very obvious helmet to helmet/targeting/ unnecessary roughness call missed on the hit to Mendoza’s head and face. It could not be argued that it was not a personal foul. It drew blood to his lip. It was quite honestly one of the most obvious penalties you could ever see in a football game. It literally checked every box for what the penalty would have been. The announcers and the broadcast “rules analyst” said exactly the same thing. Everybody saw it, everybody knows what happened, and still the fans and players are told “well we didn’t see it, therefore it’s irrelevant.” Nonsense…
Because it was a missed call on third down, Indiana settled for a field instead of having first and goal. It was game changing. It didn’t decide the outcome, but it was a massive missed call. It fits the point that I’m making perfectly. In a matter of 10-20 seconds it could have been looked at and corrected. Almost no delay to the game whatsoever. Everyone in the world looking at a screen saw it. The refs didn’t? No big deal. We have technology to help.
I have seen glimpses of the “command center” on the TV broadcasts. I think it’s very cool and awesome that it exists. What I’m baffled by is why they still can’t use it correctly. ![]()
@Raiders22
Whether that missed call in the 2018 NFCCG was what decided the outcome is up for debate. Just like any other call is. You can always say that if the team hadn’t done this this and that then they never would have been in that position. I’m fine with that. The point I was making is that this is exactly the type of call that can be easily corrected using review.
The ones I want to see reviewable and reversed are those very blatant ones. I agree that most calls in the game are made at the discretion of the refs and that you can’t always say that it was right or wrong. Those are the ones we just have to live with. Again, it’s an imperfect game. The others are the main issue. Just for hahas I’ll bring up last night’s CFP National Championship. I’m assuming you watched it.
There was a very obvious helmet to helmet/targeting/ unnecessary roughness call missed on the hit to Mendoza’s head and face. It could not be argued that it was not a personal foul. It drew blood to his lip. It was quite honestly one of the most obvious penalties you could ever see in a football game. It literally checked every box for what the penalty would have been. The announcers and the broadcast “rules analyst” said exactly the same thing. Everybody saw it, everybody knows what happened, and still the fans and players are told “well we didn’t see it, therefore it’s irrelevant.” Nonsense…
Because it was a missed call on third down, Indiana settled for a field instead of having first and goal. It was game changing. It didn’t decide the outcome, but it was a massive missed call. It fits the point that I’m making perfectly. In a matter of 10-20 seconds it could have been looked at and corrected. Almost no delay to the game whatsoever. Everyone in the world looking at a screen saw it. The refs didn’t? No big deal. We have technology to help.
I have seen glimpses of the “command center” on the TV broadcasts. I think it’s very cool and awesome that it exists. What I’m baffled by is why they still can’t use it correctly. ![]()

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