I have been a steeler fan all my life and have watched them long enough to know where the criticism needs to be said. the real crack in Pittsburgh's chain is the offensive line. no doubt about that. Faneca was a huge loss to that line and i think they are still having trouble connecting. Also i do think Ben has quieted down a bit since his phenomenal run coming into the league and i dont think it's fair to expect that day in and day out after all the things that have happened to him, whether they were his fault or not.
That being said, having the hardest schedule in the league and the horendous o-line, Ben has takin the hits week in and week out and still found ways to win the games.
Theyre defense is much as it was in the 70's when they took 4 superbowl titles. It is the best in the league and ultimately, the reason they are 11-3.
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I have been a steeler fan all my life and have watched them long enough to know where the criticism needs to be said. the real crack in Pittsburgh's chain is the offensive line. no doubt about that. Faneca was a huge loss to that line and i think they are still having trouble connecting. Also i do think Ben has quieted down a bit since his phenomenal run coming into the league and i dont think it's fair to expect that day in and day out after all the things that have happened to him, whether they were his fault or not.
That being said, having the hardest schedule in the league and the horendous o-line, Ben has takin the hits week in and week out and still found ways to win the games.
Theyre defense is much as it was in the 70's when they took 4 superbowl titles. It is the best in the league and ultimately, the reason they are 11-3.
keep throwin out stats like that, how about I throw one at you. 15 straight WINS as a rookie. Most WINS by a QB in his first 5 years EVER!!! More than ANY OTHER QB!!! So what if he is 20th in this and 15th in that. So what if he doesnt put up manning numbers. Hes a WINNER. I will take a WINNER and a super bowl QB over someone who goes to the pro bowl every year and doesnt win shit. I mean unless your trying to argue Big Ben isnt putting up numbers to be top 5 in the league this year than yeah I agree with you. But hes put up the number 11, which is the number of wins by his team.
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keep throwin out stats like that, how about I throw one at you. 15 straight WINS as a rookie. Most WINS by a QB in his first 5 years EVER!!! More than ANY OTHER QB!!! So what if he is 20th in this and 15th in that. So what if he doesnt put up manning numbers. Hes a WINNER. I will take a WINNER and a super bowl QB over someone who goes to the pro bowl every year and doesnt win shit. I mean unless your trying to argue Big Ben isnt putting up numbers to be top 5 in the league this year than yeah I agree with you. But hes put up the number 11, which is the number of wins by his team.
keep throwin out stats like that, how about I throw one at you. 15 straight WINS as a rookie. Most WINS by a QB in his first 5 years EVER!!! More than ANY OTHER QB!!! So what if he is 20th in this and 15th in that. So what if he doesnt put up manning numbers. Hes a WINNER. I will take a WINNER and a super bowl QB over someone who goes to the pro bowl every year and doesnt win shit. I mean unless your trying to argue Big Ben isnt putting up numbers to be top 5 in the league this year than yeah I agree with you. But hes put up the number 11, which is the number of wins by his team.
Lol, bringing up Ben's rookie year stats.....like me saying the Cowboys are getting priest holmes, remember a few yrs back he had 26 td's or something like that? What would that mean? It wouldnt mean shit, the past is just that, the past. I cannot argue that Big Ben is a winner, because he is. Im not trying to start a big ben war just wanted to make it clear that he is definitely NOT one of the NFL's elite, matter of fact he is far from it. His defense andrun game one or the other if not both have carried him every single year. He was drafted into a good situation and he is still in that good situation. Good for him. But i can name alot of qb's id rather have than ben. gl
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Quote Originally Posted by Swiss_cheese:
keep throwin out stats like that, how about I throw one at you. 15 straight WINS as a rookie. Most WINS by a QB in his first 5 years EVER!!! More than ANY OTHER QB!!! So what if he is 20th in this and 15th in that. So what if he doesnt put up manning numbers. Hes a WINNER. I will take a WINNER and a super bowl QB over someone who goes to the pro bowl every year and doesnt win shit. I mean unless your trying to argue Big Ben isnt putting up numbers to be top 5 in the league this year than yeah I agree with you. But hes put up the number 11, which is the number of wins by his team.
Lol, bringing up Ben's rookie year stats.....like me saying the Cowboys are getting priest holmes, remember a few yrs back he had 26 td's or something like that? What would that mean? It wouldnt mean shit, the past is just that, the past. I cannot argue that Big Ben is a winner, because he is. Im not trying to start a big ben war just wanted to make it clear that he is definitely NOT one of the NFL's elite, matter of fact he is far from it. His defense andrun game one or the other if not both have carried him every single year. He was drafted into a good situation and he is still in that good situation. Good for him. But i can name alot of qb's id rather have than ben. gl
Lol, bringing up Ben's rookie year stats.....like me saying the Cowboys are getting priest holmes, remember a few yrs back he had 26 td's or something like that? What would that mean? It wouldnt mean shit, the past is just that, the past. I cannot argue that Big Ben is a winner, because he is. Im not trying to start a big ben war just wanted to make it clear that he is definitely NOT one of the NFL's elite, matter of fact he is far from it. His defense andrun game one or the other if not both have carried him every single year. He was drafted into a good situation and he is still in that good situation. Good for him. But i can name alot of qb's id rather have than ben. gl
you sir, are a complete and utter moron...and this post shows how compeletely fucking stupid the world really is. A bird brain(like you) will argue his point no matter what, so everyone, let these simpletons argue amongst themeselves.
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Quote Originally Posted by samuelsosa:
Lol, bringing up Ben's rookie year stats.....like me saying the Cowboys are getting priest holmes, remember a few yrs back he had 26 td's or something like that? What would that mean? It wouldnt mean shit, the past is just that, the past. I cannot argue that Big Ben is a winner, because he is. Im not trying to start a big ben war just wanted to make it clear that he is definitely NOT one of the NFL's elite, matter of fact he is far from it. His defense andrun game one or the other if not both have carried him every single year. He was drafted into a good situation and he is still in that good situation. Good for him. But i can name alot of qb's id rather have than ben. gl
you sir, are a complete and utter moron...and this post shows how compeletely fucking stupid the world really is. A bird brain(like you) will argue his point no matter what, so everyone, let these simpletons argue amongst themeselves.
Ok Im not even going to rag on this dude because I think everyone thinks he got his head up his ass. But since he is being serious with this post I would just like to ask him to have facts to back up his argument. 10-13 points a game? Ok so thank you for letting us know you have watched the Steelers play the last two weeks. Ya they scored 13 points but against two very good defences. Get your facts stright because they average 21.6 points per game. So I mean last time I looked that was not 01-13. You put up 21 with that defence you will win mostly every time. Also for all those morons who think the steelers get every call, well the steelers have 86 penalties this year which puts them right in the middle of the pack. So I mean yeah the steelers actually DO get penalized. If you want to compare other teams New England has 48. So yeah Im not arguing anyone gets more calls than anyone, Im just saying to all people who do just shut the hell up cause thats a dumb argument. Oh yeah and for people who say Big Ben sucks, Im sure you didnt know that he has the most wins in his first five seasons (50 and counting) than any other QB EVER!!! Thats right EVER!!!!!! So yeah if he wins 50 games but sucks in his first five seasons I think any fan would take it. Next thing you say the vikinks, jets, pats and some other teams could beat the Steelers. The Steeleres just beat the pats by twent in Foxboro, the Jets have lost to the Raiders and Broncos, and the Vikings could put up a fight but I doubt they would be favored to win. One stat, the Steelers defence is allowing the fewest yards per play in since 1960!!!! So yeah they are sooooo bad. Finally to all the people who say the Steelers get lucky from come from behind wins and what not, lets look at how the Giants and Colts beat the Steelers. Hmmmm Giants win in the final two minutes and come from 8 points behind because the Steelers long snapper got hurt. OOOOOOOOOOO wait but thats not lucky because it wasnt the Steelers who won that game. When the Colts beat the Steelers, Ben threw two pics in the final minutes of both halfs and the Colts won in the final minutes. OOOOOOOOO but they arent lucky because they arent the steelers. Those wins make the Colts and Giants good but when the Steeleres get wins like those its al "luck". I never really write in these threads but I just had to say something because these claims are ridiculous. Smokin if you have any facts to dispute anything I said, I would actually love for you to post something. Please post something, ANYTHING!!! Besides "O I think they are over rated because I just do."
I read your post.
NOW I NEED A WALIKING STICK AND DOG.
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Quote Originally Posted by Swiss_cheese:
Ok Im not even going to rag on this dude because I think everyone thinks he got his head up his ass. But since he is being serious with this post I would just like to ask him to have facts to back up his argument. 10-13 points a game? Ok so thank you for letting us know you have watched the Steelers play the last two weeks. Ya they scored 13 points but against two very good defences. Get your facts stright because they average 21.6 points per game. So I mean last time I looked that was not 01-13. You put up 21 with that defence you will win mostly every time. Also for all those morons who think the steelers get every call, well the steelers have 86 penalties this year which puts them right in the middle of the pack. So I mean yeah the steelers actually DO get penalized. If you want to compare other teams New England has 48. So yeah Im not arguing anyone gets more calls than anyone, Im just saying to all people who do just shut the hell up cause thats a dumb argument. Oh yeah and for people who say Big Ben sucks, Im sure you didnt know that he has the most wins in his first five seasons (50 and counting) than any other QB EVER!!! Thats right EVER!!!!!! So yeah if he wins 50 games but sucks in his first five seasons I think any fan would take it. Next thing you say the vikinks, jets, pats and some other teams could beat the Steelers. The Steeleres just beat the pats by twent in Foxboro, the Jets have lost to the Raiders and Broncos, and the Vikings could put up a fight but I doubt they would be favored to win. One stat, the Steelers defence is allowing the fewest yards per play in since 1960!!!! So yeah they are sooooo bad. Finally to all the people who say the Steelers get lucky from come from behind wins and what not, lets look at how the Giants and Colts beat the Steelers. Hmmmm Giants win in the final two minutes and come from 8 points behind because the Steelers long snapper got hurt. OOOOOOOOOOO wait but thats not lucky because it wasnt the Steelers who won that game. When the Colts beat the Steelers, Ben threw two pics in the final minutes of both halfs and the Colts won in the final minutes. OOOOOOOOO but they arent lucky because they arent the steelers. Those wins make the Colts and Giants good but when the Steeleres get wins like those its al "luck". I never really write in these threads but I just had to say something because these claims are ridiculous. Smokin if you have any facts to dispute anything I said, I would actually love for you to post something. Please post something, ANYTHING!!! Besides "O I think they are over rated because I just do."
I CANT BELIEVE THESE ANALYSTS HAVE THIS SHIT TEAM LIKE # 3 IN THE POWER RANKINGS. THEY ARE THE MOST OVER RATED TEAM IN THE NFL BY FAR. THEY AVERAGE WHAT? A LOUSY 10 POINTS A GAME MAYBE 13? THEY WILL GO NO WHERE IN THE PLAYOFFS AND I CANT BELIEVE THEY CALLED THAT SANTONIO HOLMES CATCH A TD. BALTIMORE IS A BETTER TEAM AND HAS A BETTER D IF YOU PERSONALLY ASK ME. THE LAST 2 WEEKS THEY SCORED 3 POINTS UNTIL THE 4TH QUARTER AND THEN COME BACK AND WIN ON SOME SLOPPY ASS SHIT. BOTTOM LINE I HATE THIS FUCKING OVER RATED TEAM AND I WISH THE LIONS HAD A CHANCE TO PLAY THEM (HONESTLY) I BET THIS GAME WOULD BE THE LIONS 1 WIN...AND THATS COMING FROM A HOMER WHO HATES HIS HOME TEAM.
this guys user name should be smokin420 I think he's on drugs A Keyshawn would say "CMON MAN" ?LOL?
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Quote Originally Posted by smokin376:
I CANT BELIEVE THESE ANALYSTS HAVE THIS SHIT TEAM LIKE # 3 IN THE POWER RANKINGS. THEY ARE THE MOST OVER RATED TEAM IN THE NFL BY FAR. THEY AVERAGE WHAT? A LOUSY 10 POINTS A GAME MAYBE 13? THEY WILL GO NO WHERE IN THE PLAYOFFS AND I CANT BELIEVE THEY CALLED THAT SANTONIO HOLMES CATCH A TD. BALTIMORE IS A BETTER TEAM AND HAS A BETTER D IF YOU PERSONALLY ASK ME. THE LAST 2 WEEKS THEY SCORED 3 POINTS UNTIL THE 4TH QUARTER AND THEN COME BACK AND WIN ON SOME SLOPPY ASS SHIT. BOTTOM LINE I HATE THIS FUCKING OVER RATED TEAM AND I WISH THE LIONS HAD A CHANCE TO PLAY THEM (HONESTLY) I BET THIS GAME WOULD BE THE LIONS 1 WIN...AND THATS COMING FROM A HOMER WHO HATES HIS HOME TEAM.
this guys user name should be smokin420 I think he's on drugs A Keyshawn would say "CMON MAN" ?LOL?
you sir, are a complete and utter moron...and this post shows how compeletely fucking stupid the world really is. A bird brain(like you) will argue his point no matter what, so everyone, let these simpletons argue amongst themeselves.
HAHA, did i strike a nerve? Its a fact that Ben was drafted into a great situation, not an opinion. Its fact that his defense and the steelers running game has carried him his entire career. These are facts. Big ben is not one of the NFL's elite.
People like Chad pennington would do much better than Ben if he was a steelers qb.
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Quote Originally Posted by tankstevens:
you sir, are a complete and utter moron...and this post shows how compeletely fucking stupid the world really is. A bird brain(like you) will argue his point no matter what, so everyone, let these simpletons argue amongst themeselves.
HAHA, did i strike a nerve? Its a fact that Ben was drafted into a great situation, not an opinion. Its fact that his defense and the steelers running game has carried him his entire career. These are facts. Big ben is not one of the NFL's elite.
People like Chad pennington would do much better than Ben if he was a steelers qb.
People have yet to tell me what makes Ben such a great qb...........the one arguement is that he WINS. That is credited much more to the PITT d and PITT running game. So again i ask, what does ben do?............................its ok ill wait.
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People have yet to tell me what makes Ben such a great qb...........the one arguement is that he WINS. That is credited much more to the PITT d and PITT running game. So again i ask, what does ben do?............................its ok ill wait.
at least we agree GOLDJA that big ben is not one of the NFL's elite. like i said, while big ben does WIN, there are still a handful of qb's i would rather have than big ben.
it seems we both also agree he was put into a good situation [you said he fits the program well, which is essentially the same thing]
noone is saying the guy sucks, he clearly does not, hes just not one of the best in the nfl and if you think so, ithink you should rethink it.
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at least we agree GOLDJA that big ben is not one of the NFL's elite. like i said, while big ben does WIN, there are still a handful of qb's i would rather have than big ben.
it seems we both also agree he was put into a good situation [you said he fits the program well, which is essentially the same thing]
noone is saying the guy sucks, he clearly does not, hes just not one of the best in the nfl and if you think so, ithink you should rethink it.
I never said that Big Ben was an Elite QB. Im saying that he is better than average who is will consistently put up decent numbers. Your argument to say that he was put into a good situation does being the only reason he is good does not really fly in my opinion. Does the name Kyle Boller ring a bell? He was drafted as a rookie into a "great situation" and he had not close to the success Ben did on the steelers. They had a great defence yet still sucked cause boller sucked. So according to you "great situation theory" Boller should have won just like big ben cause he got put in a good situation? Im not buyin it. Also Ben had the second highest QB rating in the NFL last year. He has 15 or so game winning or tying drives in the 4th quarter in the past 3 years or soemthing which if I remember completely is tops or near tops in the NFL. Yeah he played bad in the super bowl but lets not forget how Pitt got there. Throwing the ball 10 straight times against Indy at Indy and Denver at Denver. He single handedly got them to the super bowl that year. So yeah does that satisfy you or are you going to ignore those stats too because you just dont want to admit hes good?
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I never said that Big Ben was an Elite QB. Im saying that he is better than average who is will consistently put up decent numbers. Your argument to say that he was put into a good situation does being the only reason he is good does not really fly in my opinion. Does the name Kyle Boller ring a bell? He was drafted as a rookie into a "great situation" and he had not close to the success Ben did on the steelers. They had a great defence yet still sucked cause boller sucked. So according to you "great situation theory" Boller should have won just like big ben cause he got put in a good situation? Im not buyin it. Also Ben had the second highest QB rating in the NFL last year. He has 15 or so game winning or tying drives in the 4th quarter in the past 3 years or soemthing which if I remember completely is tops or near tops in the NFL. Yeah he played bad in the super bowl but lets not forget how Pitt got there. Throwing the ball 10 straight times against Indy at Indy and Denver at Denver. He single handedly got them to the super bowl that year. So yeah does that satisfy you or are you going to ignore those stats too because you just dont want to admit hes good?
......ravens and steelers were MUCHHHHHHHHH different situations. ill admit hes good. and ill agree with you that hes better than average.
ACCORDING TO ME AND SWISS CHEESE, BIG BEN IS A BETTER THAN AVERAGE QB WHO WILL CONSITENTLY PUT UP DECENT NUMBERS. I agree 100% . hes nothing more than that.
who did the ravens have at wr when boller got drafted ? derrick mason darnell dinkins and 7 foot 7 clarence moore?pleaseee....
compared to hines ward and ibelieve plaxico burress in 04? both of which had 1000 yds. yeah thats the same situation as baltimore had
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......ravens and steelers were MUCHHHHHHHHH different situations. ill admit hes good. and ill agree with you that hes better than average.
ACCORDING TO ME AND SWISS CHEESE, BIG BEN IS A BETTER THAN AVERAGE QB WHO WILL CONSITENTLY PUT UP DECENT NUMBERS. I agree 100% . hes nothing more than that.
who did the ravens have at wr when boller got drafted ? derrick mason darnell dinkins and 7 foot 7 clarence moore?pleaseee....
compared to hines ward and ibelieve plaxico burress in 04? both of which had 1000 yds. yeah thats the same situation as baltimore had
The ravens situation wasnt that different dude. Jamal Lewis was much better than, heap was sick, he had maybe the best tackle in the game in Odgen blocking for him. I mean derek mason was good but the steelers did have better receivers. I meant the defenses were elite. You cant say the difference in what ben had around him on offence was worth like 15 more wins than what boller had with the ravens? In my opinion you couldnt. O well, agree to disagree.
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The ravens situation wasnt that different dude. Jamal Lewis was much better than, heap was sick, he had maybe the best tackle in the game in Odgen blocking for him. I mean derek mason was good but the steelers did have better receivers. I meant the defenses were elite. You cant say the difference in what ben had around him on offence was worth like 15 more wins than what boller had with the ravens? In my opinion you couldnt. O well, agree to disagree.
With an avatar like that I can see why you hate the STEELERS baby.
Don't hate, just Appreciate. Steelers OWN the Division and come up clutch when they have to.
I guess they got lucky on the Dallas game too?
one word for you.....LOSER....haha
not sure if your talking to me or not pittsburgh homer but if me calling big ben an above avg qb, nothing more [definitely nothing more] nothing less, then i guess i'm a hater.
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Quote Originally Posted by SykesSystem:
With an avatar like that I can see why you hate the STEELERS baby.
Don't hate, just Appreciate. Steelers OWN the Division and come up clutch when they have to.
I guess they got lucky on the Dallas game too?
one word for you.....LOSER....haha
not sure if your talking to me or not pittsburgh homer but if me calling big ben an above avg qb, nothing more [definitely nothing more] nothing less, then i guess i'm a hater.
People have yet to tell me what makes Ben such a great qb...........the one arguement is that he WINS. That is credited much more to the PITT d and PITT running game. So again i ask, what does ben do?............................its ok ill wait.
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The Steelers are 11-3, what did BIG BEN DO?
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Quote Originally Posted by samuelsosa:
People have yet to tell me what makes Ben such a great qb...........the one arguement is that he WINS. That is credited much more to the PITT d and PITT running game. So again i ask, what does ben do?............................its ok ill wait.
big ben has been sacked the 2nd most times in the nfl also [41x] only behind MattCassel with 44. Now some of you will blame that on Pitts offensive line, and deservingly so. But put Tony Romo behind that line and id bet my left leg, and right big toe that Romo would of avoided at least 5 if not more sacks
Please STOP with this bullshit. Never ever mention Tony Romo in the same sentence with Ben Rothlisberger.
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Quote Originally Posted by samuelsosa:
big ben has been sacked the 2nd most times in the nfl also [41x] only behind MattCassel with 44. Now some of you will blame that on Pitts offensive line, and deservingly so. But put Tony Romo behind that line and id bet my left leg, and right big toe that Romo would of avoided at least 5 if not more sacks
Please STOP with this bullshit. Never ever mention Tony Romo in the same sentence with Ben Rothlisberger.
All part of the Steeler system...run the ball, throw where needed and play the best damn Defense the league has seen in a very long time......sounds like a winning formula to me
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All part of the Steeler system...run the ball, throw where needed and play the best damn Defense the league has seen in a very long time......sounds like a winning formula to me
All part of the Steeler system...run the ball, throw where needed and play the best damn Defense the league has seen in a very long time......sounds like a winning formula to me
noone can take that away from you. you win. but gipper, riddle me this
like you say, part of the STEELERS system. keyword: system.
alot of people not only big ben could of thrived just as easily as him if the exact same was asked of them
take for example, TEXAS TECH's system. Maybe you havent noticed but for yearsss they have been producing QB's that not only put up GREAT stats, but also got drafted in late rounds, from kliff kingsbury in 02 to bj symons in 03, let alone all the qb's who DIDNT get drafted. and what happened when they left that texas tech system?[or even the thought of leaving that system didnt even get them drafted]
can we agree that big ben is a product of a system? i think we could.
does that mean something is wrong? not at all, i just dont expect him to be successful if thrown in a different system. thats not a reason for you not to like the guy, or love him as your qb.
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Quote Originally Posted by the gipper:
All part of the Steeler system...run the ball, throw where needed and play the best damn Defense the league has seen in a very long time......sounds like a winning formula to me
noone can take that away from you. you win. but gipper, riddle me this
like you say, part of the STEELERS system. keyword: system.
alot of people not only big ben could of thrived just as easily as him if the exact same was asked of them
take for example, TEXAS TECH's system. Maybe you havent noticed but for yearsss they have been producing QB's that not only put up GREAT stats, but also got drafted in late rounds, from kliff kingsbury in 02 to bj symons in 03, let alone all the qb's who DIDNT get drafted. and what happened when they left that texas tech system?[or even the thought of leaving that system didnt even get them drafted]
can we agree that big ben is a product of a system? i think we could.
does that mean something is wrong? not at all, i just dont expect him to be successful if thrown in a different system. thats not a reason for you not to like the guy, or love him as your qb.
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