ok for all who belive nfl games are fixed

bang you head against the wall!

no body has the cash to fix any nfl game comon man you think some bozos pay hc or qb to throw a pick as a -28 fav not even wise guys who live in vegas

when u se spreads move late 2 points or more like - 6 to -8 or -8 to-5 simple Vegas effed up

view injury reports then see if wr is a losss like if wr i see has no tds at al i just say the back up might do better to earn starting pos

games vegas fuawked upchargers  beat vikings tnf 37-10 10/23 

@ Tenn. -8.5 nope-10.5 no cover 27-20 

then home -3 vs steelerrs 25-10

then i think they was smoking crack -3 no - 4 @ jags annilahted 35-6

chiefs beat detroit home -2.5 fav 30-14 beat vegas 31-0 -12.5 fav -12 nope -3 wash mnf 28-6

11/2 @bills -1.5 i ran to local casiono made bils - 3 chalk and wtached KC get drilled 28-20

then after bills win vs kc i knew they were happy huge chalk @ Miami -9.5 0n 11/9 i said ml wow +435 miami won 30-13 cashed out 

went home with $535 

@tjones1270

What about those of us that believe the subjectivity of rules, limitations on review, and a running clock coupled with shorter career spans (earning potential) create opportunities for inconsistent results when compared to probability models?

Not all games being fixed, but 100% there are manipulation, no doubt !!

Just like covid, 911, chem trails - slowly people are waking up finally.

i agree with this guy 

some games r fixed for SURE 

@usikbasterd

 If you can live bet it there's fixing going on...

@Big5

 Absolutely! I've noticed the change in my winnings (went south) after live betting came on board. Now, huge money can come in during the games, and know this affects initial bets prior to the game starting. Messed with my decades old capping structure, big time. Had to attempt to change with the times. Still learning from this change. This IMHO is what makes winning so difficult now days. Course, as we all know, nothing ever stays the same.

This is the correct way to think about it 

I say 4 or 5 games a week are predetermined to bust parlays.

@goin4

 You believe the powers that be can limit their greed? Not this bettor.

Well said brother Glad to see theres others on the forums that dont believe all the silly gambling conspiracies. What it would take for them to fix games and get so many people involved, wouldnt be worth it. Especially for the risk of getting busted. hard enough to keep a conspiracy secret among a few people, can you imagine how hard with many many people involved.

But the truth is sports book donot need to rig games, because bettors will always lose and thats a fact. On top of that the small percentage of people that do win, the sports book either get rid of them or limit their bets to chump change.

If you go play blackjack at a casino and you constantly win, you can rest a sure you will get booted, but i have never seen a casino boss come up to a blackjack player and tell them they are horrible at this and the casino doesnt want your cash

Its all math and the books have that angle figured out. Try to find a ton of winning bettors just on this forum, tough to do.  That 10 percent vig is very hard to overcome

@cd329

Please explain to me like a 6 years old, yesterday Cleveland vs raiders . Last minute of the game when Cleveland is winning 24 to 10 , over / under of this game is 36.5. Cleveland is 4th and 2 @ LV 29 yard line. Instead of kicking a field goal or go for the 4th down , Cleveland punt the ball ………. I mean really ? The kicker nail a 53 yard field goal in the game but you decide to punt at the raiders 29 yard line ? 

We all love gambling, making some extra cash but you have to know that the game is rigged. Play with your limit and have fun , that’s all . 

You didnt win anything.  Stop lying to sound cool.

@cd329

 Its all math and the books have that angle figured out. Try to find a ton of winning bettors just on this forum, tough to do. That 10 percent vig is very hard to overcome

Wish it was a flat 10% like years past it appears -112 through -114 with an occasional -109 ) depending what side your on is the norm but yes cd that vig regardless at what one gets it at is tough to overcome for most  

@happyshine

 I'll try:

The theory goes that coach is trying to win the game and less vested in the over / under.

So with :59 seconds he felt 14 points would be enough and it would've been more prudent to have them start from their own 10 vs. their 29.  Also would've likely considered his kickers 75% (3-4) at the 40 - 49 yard range.

and a kicker 3-4 (75%)on the yea

Let’s just say they do Vegas many favors. Bottom line is the sponsors pay the networks. The networks pay the NFL and the NFL pay the players.they keep you watching till the end, hence the spreads and over and under. If you won all the time there would not be a business in betting sports so you have to have money management and that’s where they get us the most. 

@unplucked_gem

 Nice try for the answer though 

To me , if the coach really scares and wants to lock in the win with a 14 points lead with 59 seconds left on the clock so bad, he should just try to run for the first down . If they made it , they can knee for the win. Punting the ball @ the 29 yard line is actually worse. If LV blocks the punt they’ll have a better field position. This moves either the coach bet on the under or he has no confidence to his kicker . Like I said , he nailed a 53 yard field goal in the game and he didn’t miss any in the month of November.

Punting at the opposition 29 yard line with 2 scores lead is as bad as I’ve seen in football history. 

@unplucked_gem

 And on a miss FG they would start at the 36 where the ball was kicked from

@happyshine

 I was gonna say the exact thing!! Great post. Cleve had NO business punting.

sf-7.5    oh weird failed 2 point conversion

stupid

Here's your 53 yarder.  While they do all count the same on the stat sheet.... little bendy.

https://youtube.com/shorts/EjMQs5cRuj8?si=Q88WTGaD7-ne2OhC

Accept it or not, he made his choice and they won.  If he kicked (or attempted a kick) they still win.  So the only outcome impacted is the over / under which I can assure you didn't factor in his thought process either way.

As to the line.  By playing either side of it you're asking two bad teams for something (points if over/defense if under) which to date neither have consistently provided.  

I guess that's why you were once known as zebrakiller haha... 

You really dont know why carolina went for the 2 point conversion tonight? Because san fran had a penalty that moved the ball to the 1 and being they were playing on the road, taking a shot to get that 1 extra point was worth it.  Some people really shouldnt be gambling