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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2012 - 1:39 AM ET #126

    Cool_Arrow - that was the last election. People wanted a change. They bought into the Democratic marketing ploy. They thaught that they could get that, however they never asked if they should do that. This time around you won't have record numbers showing up to vote. The Republicans, the people that want to make sure that Obama doesn't get 4 more years to really make things bad, and the people that are so angry at his lies will show up. Those that still, for some reason, still like Obama may not vote for Romney, but will choose rather to stay home. So this should be a totally different election.

    Personally I just don't understand how or why people still follow Obama. It just amazes me that people still want higher taxes and more govenment control

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    Cool_Arrow - that was the last election. People wanted a change. They bought into the Democratic marketing ploy. They thaught that they could get that, however they never asked if they should do that. This time around you won't have record numbers showing up to vote. The Republicans, the people that want to make sure that Obama doesn't get 4 more years to really make things bad, and the people that are so angry at his lies will show up. Those that still, for some reason, still like Obama may not vote for Romney, but will choose rather to stay home. So this should be a totally different election.

    Personally I just don't understand how or why people still follow Obama. It just amazes me that people still want higher taxes and more govenment control

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2012 - 1:47 AM ET #127

    alangrrbs - depending on who you listen to and trust I don't see Obama taking Ohio, Nevada, or Colorado. Romney is controlling Florida as you said. Why would you read a liberal magazine if you want to know where Romney's election money is going.  That is like listening to I heart radio and hearing that Obama is out of money.

    The best bet that Obama has to stay in power is to go to war in Iran or Lybia. I know it sounds crazy, but there are a lot of talk on the military side that supports this crazy idea.

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    alangrrbs - depending on who you listen to and trust I don't see Obama taking Ohio, Nevada, or Colorado. Romney is controlling Florida as you said. Why would you read a liberal magazine if you want to know where Romney's election money is going.  That is like listening to I heart radio and hearing that Obama is out of money.

    The best bet that Obama has to stay in power is to go to war in Iran or Lybia. I know it sounds crazy, but there are a lot of talk on the military side that supports this crazy idea.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2012 - 1:55 AM ET #128

    Ok Covers forum I think I figured it out so "we can all get along"

    Vote 2012 President Reese Waters VP Danny Kanell and that little hottie Marianela for Secretary of State

    GL this weekend
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    Ok Covers forum I think I figured it out so "we can all get along"

    Vote 2012 President Reese Waters VP Danny Kanell and that little hottie Marianela for Secretary of State

    GL this weekend
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2012 - 1:57 AM ET #129

    Quote Originally Posted by dmddms:

    alangrrbs - depending on who you listen to and trust I don't see Obama taking Ohio, Nevada, or Colorado. Romney is controlling Florida as you said. Why would you read a liberal magazine if you want to know where Romney's election money is going.  That is like listening to I heart radio and hearing that Obama is out of money.

    The best bet that Obama has to stay in power is to go to war in Iran or Lybia. I know it sounds crazy, but there are a lot of talk on the military side that supports this crazy idea.



    Good God I hope another war isn't in the plan.  On the list of things we need in this country, another war is waaaaaaaayyyy towards the bottom.

    Obama is up a little right now in Ohio, and he's going to put a lot of money in that state.  Money talks in campaigns, and Nevada and Colorado are kind of worthless.  Plus, I don't really have an opinion on who I want to win.  I could go into detail about the congress seats, but long story short there are tons of congressional elections that are close races, and it looks like the Republicans are willing to outspend the Dems in that area.  I figured I get some heat for telling something I read in Time...nice of you to call me on that. 

    I'm just trying to make money off this election...honestly I hope Romney tanks it in this last debate, and his odds get better for us bettors.  It'd be a nice hedge for the bets I currently have.   
    Good Luck to you...hope you make some money off this
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmddms:

    alangrrbs - depending on who you listen to and trust I don't see Obama taking Ohio, Nevada, or Colorado. Romney is controlling Florida as you said. Why would you read a liberal magazine if you want to know where Romney's election money is going.  That is like listening to I heart radio and hearing that Obama is out of money.

    The best bet that Obama has to stay in power is to go to war in Iran or Lybia. I know it sounds crazy, but there are a lot of talk on the military side that supports this crazy idea.



    Good God I hope another war isn't in the plan.  On the list of things we need in this country, another war is waaaaaaaayyyy towards the bottom.

    Obama is up a little right now in Ohio, and he's going to put a lot of money in that state.  Money talks in campaigns, and Nevada and Colorado are kind of worthless.  Plus, I don't really have an opinion on who I want to win.  I could go into detail about the congress seats, but long story short there are tons of congressional elections that are close races, and it looks like the Republicans are willing to outspend the Dems in that area.  I figured I get some heat for telling something I read in Time...nice of you to call me on that. 

    I'm just trying to make money off this election...honestly I hope Romney tanks it in this last debate, and his odds get better for us bettors.  It'd be a nice hedge for the bets I currently have.   
    Good Luck to you...hope you make some money off this
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2012 - 2:06 AM ET #130

    Moral of the story is that if you want to make money off of this election play it like if it was the CFL and take the under and the underdog. If you do that then you will make a lot of money. This election is going to be like the Carter election. People understand that they voted for the wrong person for the wrong reasons. Obama will get kicked out of office and will go on and do some incredible things. It is like a step parent that everybody likes but should have never become a parent.

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    Moral of the story is that if you want to make money off of this election play it like if it was the CFL and take the under and the underdog. If you do that then you will make a lot of money. This election is going to be like the Carter election. People understand that they voted for the wrong person for the wrong reasons. Obama will get kicked out of office and will go on and do some incredible things. It is like a step parent that everybody likes but should have never become a parent.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2012 - 3:13 AM ET #131

    Quote Originally Posted by NFLJOE:


    Gas prices coming down because of more drilling is a myth. It's a Republican mantra that sounds good, "drill baby drill", but it means nothing. Gas prices are affected by soooo much more than just supply. In addition, the amount of oil we could receive from the pipeline would be less thank a half a percent of what we actually consume. 

    99.9% of our oil would still come from foreign countries.

    I've never read a more ignorant post in my life. The USA is a net exporter of oil now bud. And you say the price of oil is effected by "soooo much more than just supply"? Here's an econ lesson. Oil as a good has about as inelastic demand as there is. That implies that the price of oil is almost 100% dictated by supply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NFLJOE:


    Gas prices coming down because of more drilling is a myth. It's a Republican mantra that sounds good, "drill baby drill", but it means nothing. Gas prices are affected by soooo much more than just supply. In addition, the amount of oil we could receive from the pipeline would be less thank a half a percent of what we actually consume. 

    99.9% of our oil would still come from foreign countries.

    I've never read a more ignorant post in my life. The USA is a net exporter of oil now bud. And you say the price of oil is effected by "soooo much more than just supply"? Here's an econ lesson. Oil as a good has about as inelastic demand as there is. That implies that the price of oil is almost 100% dictated by supply.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2012 - 8:24 AM ET #132

    Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:

    All I can say is I had Gore to win not sure of the price bet $500 think he was a small favorite.

    Day of the voting polling showed Gore way ahead.. where I was betting back in the day (the greek) odds went to -500 or +480 for BUSH.

    We know how that ended.

    Take polls with a grain of salt,.

    After the 3rd debate Obama will be moving up a bit in price, from there you HEDGE your bet and break even on that 5,000 you lost on PITT.

    Good luck,
         

    Thanks man. 

    But the weekend actually ended awesome for me I was feeling down cuz o the Pitt bet but in reality I was down 15k from other stupid bets. But ended up 35k up by the end of Sunday. I think I'm gonna let this bet ride. Go Obama!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:

    All I can say is I had Gore to win not sure of the price bet $500 think he was a small favorite.

    Day of the voting polling showed Gore way ahead.. where I was betting back in the day (the greek) odds went to -500 or +480 for BUSH.

    We know how that ended.

    Take polls with a grain of salt,.

    After the 3rd debate Obama will be moving up a bit in price, from there you HEDGE your bet and break even on that 5,000 you lost on PITT.

    Good luck,
         

    Thanks man. 

    But the weekend actually ended awesome for me I was feeling down cuz o the Pitt bet but in reality I was down 15k from other stupid bets. But ended up 35k up by the end of Sunday. I think I'm gonna let this bet ride. Go Obama!!!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2012 - 9:54 AM ET #133

    Quote Originally Posted by dmddms:

    Personally I just don't understand how or why people still follow Obama. It just amazes me that people still want higher taxes and more govenment control

    Never in my life did I think I woud see the day that higher taxes and larger government would be the platform of a leading candidate.

    Also regarding your other post about military action...referred to as the "october surprise"  yes...are we 13 days away from the begining of world war iii or 13 days from a small attack on lybian radicals.  My guess is some form of military action after the debate and before november 1st.

     

    obama will do anything now for a bump in the polls.  Its scary that more americans are going to die from his lies and so that he gets a bump in the polls.  Watch for the October Surprise between Oct 24 and Nov 1.  I just hope it is not in the Isreal-Iran arena (that would begin WWiii) and hope it is in Lybia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmddms:

    Personally I just don't understand how or why people still follow Obama. It just amazes me that people still want higher taxes and more govenment control

    Never in my life did I think I woud see the day that higher taxes and larger government would be the platform of a leading candidate.

    Also regarding your other post about military action...referred to as the "october surprise"  yes...are we 13 days away from the begining of world war iii or 13 days from a small attack on lybian radicals.  My guess is some form of military action after the debate and before november 1st.

     

    obama will do anything now for a bump in the polls.  Its scary that more americans are going to die from his lies and so that he gets a bump in the polls.  Watch for the October Surprise between Oct 24 and Nov 1.  I just hope it is not in the Isreal-Iran arena (that would begin WWiii) and hope it is in Lybia.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2012 - 9:57 AM ET #134

    DMDDMS

    Your on drugs if u think romney takes nevada. They aint happening! and due to the auto bailout for the most part and the great bill clinton and bruce springsteen campaigning in ohio where they are both beloved most likely he wins there to. Then with iowa and wisky its pretty impossible for romney to win.

    2 bad too im sure we would love to have a cold robot in office like romney!
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    Your on drugs if u think romney takes nevada. They aint happening! and due to the auto bailout for the most part and the great bill clinton and bruce springsteen campaigning in ohio where they are both beloved most likely he wins there to. Then with iowa and wisky its pretty impossible for romney to win.

    2 bad too im sure we would love to have a cold robot in office like romney!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2012 - 10:04 AM ET #135

    SALT lake tribune in mormon  country utah  backs obama

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    SALT lake tribune in mormon  country utah  backs obama

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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2012 - 10:09 AM ET #136

    denver post who backed bush in 2004 backs obama for the 2nd time


    CNN) — The editorial page of Colorado’s largest newspaper backed President Barack Obama Friday, writing the Democratic incumbent had made “demonstrable – though hardly remarkable – progress” since they first backed him for president in 2008.

    “Obama…has shown throughout his term that he is a steady leader who keeps the interests of a broad array of Americans in mind,” the editorial from the Denver Post read, providing a sharp contrast with Obama’s rival Mitt Romney, who the paper excoriated for his remarks on the 47% of Americans who rely on the federal government for financial support.

    “[T]hough there is much in Mitt Romney’s résumé to suggest he is a capable problem-solver, the Republican nominee has not presented himself as a leader who will bring his party closer to the center at a time when that is what this country needs,” the paper wrote, adding, “His comments on the 47 percent of Americans who refuse to ‘take personal responsibility and care for their lives’ were a telling insight into his views and a low point of the campaign.”

    In its endorsement, the Denver Post also noted Obama’s foreign policy achievements, including ending the war in Iraq and ordering the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, saying the president “he has demonstrated himself capable in a tough situation.”


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    CNN) — The editorial page of Colorado’s largest newspaper backed President Barack Obama Friday, writing the Democratic incumbent had made “demonstrable – though hardly remarkable – progress” since they first backed him for president in 2008.

    “Obama…has shown throughout his term that he is a steady leader who keeps the interests of a broad array of Americans in mind,” the editorial from the Denver Post read, providing a sharp contrast with Obama’s rival Mitt Romney, who the paper excoriated for his remarks on the 47% of Americans who rely on the federal government for financial support.

    “[T]hough there is much in Mitt Romney’s résumé to suggest he is a capable problem-solver, the Republican nominee has not presented himself as a leader who will bring his party closer to the center at a time when that is what this country needs,” the paper wrote, adding, “His comments on the 47 percent of Americans who refuse to ‘take personal responsibility and care for their lives’ were a telling insight into his views and a low point of the campaign.”

    In its endorsement, the Denver Post also noted Obama’s foreign policy achievements, including ending the war in Iraq and ordering the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, saying the president “he has demonstrated himself capable in a tough situation.”


     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2012 - 10:12 AM ET #137

    heres the salt lake city tribune


    In a world of increasingly partisan media outlets, one political endorsement today may come as a rare surprise: Salt Lake City’s largest newspaper has endorsed President Barack Obama.

    In an editorial entitled “Too Many Mitts,” the Salt Lake Tribune’s editorial board writes that, despite serving a “largely Mormon, Republican, business-friendly state,” it cannot support Utah’s “favorite adopted son.” The editors say the Romney they held in such high esteem during the 2002 Winter Olympics has since “skedaddled.”

    “From his embrace of the party’s radical right wing, to subsequent portrayals of himself as a moderate champion of the middle class, Romney has raised the most frequently asked question of the campaign: ‘Who is this guy, really, and what in the world does he truly believe?’” the editors write.

    The editorial, which spends more time arguing against Romney than it does for Obama, already has drawn 186 reader comments since it was published less than two hours ago.

    Outside of the Tribune’s office, the Beehive State is so red that it’s hard to find a recent presidential election poll of the state’s voters. Sen. John McCain of Arizona received 62 percent of the vote to Obama’s 35 percent in 2008. The 2010 Census found that 62.2 percent of Utah residents are Mormon, according to the Tribune.

    But history and religion clearly aren’t holding  the editorial board back.

    “The president has earned a second term,” the endorsement concludes. “Romney, in whatever guise, does not deserve a first.”


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    In a world of increasingly partisan media outlets, one political endorsement today may come as a rare surprise: Salt Lake City’s largest newspaper has endorsed President Barack Obama.

    In an editorial entitled “Too Many Mitts,” the Salt Lake Tribune’s editorial board writes that, despite serving a “largely Mormon, Republican, business-friendly state,” it cannot support Utah’s “favorite adopted son.” The editors say the Romney they held in such high esteem during the 2002 Winter Olympics has since “skedaddled.”

    “From his embrace of the party’s radical right wing, to subsequent portrayals of himself as a moderate champion of the middle class, Romney has raised the most frequently asked question of the campaign: ‘Who is this guy, really, and what in the world does he truly believe?’” the editors write.

    The editorial, which spends more time arguing against Romney than it does for Obama, already has drawn 186 reader comments since it was published less than two hours ago.

    Outside of the Tribune’s office, the Beehive State is so red that it’s hard to find a recent presidential election poll of the state’s voters. Sen. John McCain of Arizona received 62 percent of the vote to Obama’s 35 percent in 2008. The 2010 Census found that 62.2 percent of Utah residents are Mormon, according to the Tribune.

    But history and religion clearly aren’t holding  the editorial board back.

    “The president has earned a second term,” the endorsement concludes. “Romney, in whatever guise, does not deserve a first.”


     
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    17 hours ago

    Florida's largest paper again backs Obama

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    (CNN) - The Tampa Bay Times, Florida's largest newspaper, announced on Friday it was again endorsing President Barack Obama, saying he is stronger than Romney on a range of economic, foreign policy, and social issues.

    But the paper said it "would like the president to present a sharper vision for a second term."

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    The Times, which was formerly known as the St. Petersburg Times, split its list of recommended candidates. Besides Obama, it backed Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson in his re-election bid, plus four Republicans and one Democrat seeking re-election to Congress. Rep. Bill Young, one of its recommended candidates, is the longest-serving Republican in the House.

    Obama has "capably steered the nation through an incredibly difficult period at home and abroad, often with little help from Congress," the paper said, and "conditions would be far worse without the president's steady leadership."

    Romney, they opined, represents "the failed policies of the past."

    The paper touted Obama's economic stimulus, health reform law, and handling of foreign policy, including his selection of former presidential rival Hillary Clinton as his secretary of state.

    "Although he came to the job with limited foreign policy experience, Obama has been reasonably sure-footed," the Times wrote.

    "The Republican's saber-rattling about the violence in Syria and Iran's efforts to develop a nuclear weapon is particularly concerning," it said, in a critique aimed at Romney. "This nation has neither the resources nor the appetite for another discretionary military adventure. Obama's mix of diplomacy, coalition-building and tough economic sanctions remains the smarter approach."

    Obama is also the paper's preferred candidate on women's issues, Medicare, and same-sex marriage, the paper wrote, as well as on handling the federal budget.

    "[T]he president at least proposes some specifics to bring the nation's finances into better order," the paper wrote. "He would end the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and reduce the deficit by $4 trillion over 10 years. He relies on artful accounting, and he will have to make a more serious attempt. But the president's bottom line is right: Reducing the deficit will require a combination of spending cuts and additional revenue. "

    In 2008, the paper backed Obama in the general election, touting his "approach to creating a fairer tax policy and expanding health care," position on Iraq, Afghanistan, energy, and his response to the economic crisis "with an appropriate mix of caution and sound principles grounded in reality."

    Earlier in the day, Colorado's largest newspaper, The Denver Post, said Obama had made "demonstrable – though hardly remarkable – progress" as president and again backed him. He was also backed by Utah's largest paper, the Salt Lake Tribune.

    The posted the endorsement online and said it will run in Sunday's newspaper.

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    Florida's largest paper again backs Obama

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    (CNN) - The Tampa Bay Times, Florida's largest newspaper, announced on Friday it was again endorsing President Barack Obama, saying he is stronger than Romney on a range of economic, foreign policy, and social issues.

    But the paper said it "would like the president to present a sharper vision for a second term."

    – Follow the Ticker on Twitter: @PoliticalTicker

    – Check out the CNN Electoral Map and Calculator and game out your own strategy for November.

    The Times, which was formerly known as the St. Petersburg Times, split its list of recommended candidates. Besides Obama, it backed Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson in his re-election bid, plus four Republicans and one Democrat seeking re-election to Congress. Rep. Bill Young, one of its recommended candidates, is the longest-serving Republican in the House.

    Obama has "capably steered the nation through an incredibly difficult period at home and abroad, often with little help from Congress," the paper said, and "conditions would be far worse without the president's steady leadership."

    Romney, they opined, represents "the failed policies of the past."

    The paper touted Obama's economic stimulus, health reform law, and handling of foreign policy, including his selection of former presidential rival Hillary Clinton as his secretary of state.

    "Although he came to the job with limited foreign policy experience, Obama has been reasonably sure-footed," the Times wrote.

    "The Republican's saber-rattling about the violence in Syria and Iran's efforts to develop a nuclear weapon is particularly concerning," it said, in a critique aimed at Romney. "This nation has neither the resources nor the appetite for another discretionary military adventure. Obama's mix of diplomacy, coalition-building and tough economic sanctions remains the smarter approach."

    Obama is also the paper's preferred candidate on women's issues, Medicare, and same-sex marriage, the paper wrote, as well as on handling the federal budget.

    "[T]he president at least proposes some specifics to bring the nation's finances into better order," the paper wrote. "He would end the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and reduce the deficit by $4 trillion over 10 years. He relies on artful accounting, and he will have to make a more serious attempt. But the president's bottom line is right: Reducing the deficit will require a combination of spending cuts and additional revenue. "

    In 2008, the paper backed Obama in the general election, touting his "approach to creating a fairer tax policy and expanding health care," position on Iraq, Afghanistan, energy, and his response to the economic crisis "with an appropriate mix of caution and sound principles grounded in reality."

    Earlier in the day, Colorado's largest newspaper, The Denver Post, said Obama had made "demonstrable – though hardly remarkable – progress" as president and again backed him. He was also backed by Utah's largest paper, the Salt Lake Tribune.

    The posted the endorsement online and said it will run in Sunday's newspaper.

     
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    Google the interactive electoral map it tells you everything you need to know. It also has up to date chart polls per each state. They concede Florida to Romney  (as they should) and he is still short 60 or so electoral votes, needing Virginia, Ohio and a few others to fall his way. On the other hand if Obama takes North Carolina or a few he's not supposed to its a big win for him. Its all over but the crying take a hundred dollar profit and call it a tax cut......

     

     

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    Google the interactive electoral map it tells you everything you need to know. It also has up to date chart polls per each state. They concede Florida to Romney  (as they should) and he is still short 60 or so electoral votes, needing Virginia, Ohio and a few others to fall his way. On the other hand if Obama takes North Carolina or a few he's not supposed to its a big win for him. Its all over but the crying take a hundred dollar profit and call it a tax cut......

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmddms:

    Cool_Arrow - that was the last election. People wanted a change. They bought into the Democratic marketing ploy. They thaught that they could get that, however they never asked if they should do that. This time around you won't have record numbers showing up to vote. The Republicans, the people that want to make sure that Obama doesn't get 4 more years to really make things bad, and the people that are so angry at his lies will show up. Those that still, for some reason, still like Obama may not vote for Romney, but will choose rather to stay home. So this should be a totally different election.

    Personally I just don't understand how or why people still follow Obama. It just amazes me that people still want higher taxes and more govenment control


    Thanks for the reply. What I am trying to point out is that public polling in 2008 and 2010 was skewed Republican and there is a good chance it is happening again in 2012. Public polls are primarily on land lines and they under-sample Latinos & cell phone only users who skew heavily Democratic. How else would that explain the polling average being off by 8 points in Nevada & 4 points in Colorado in both a Democratic wave (2008) and a Republican wave (2010)? The evidence is there and I have laid it out, up to you to make up your own mind. That to me is why both of those states are solid for Obama and good odds to take. 
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    Cool_Arrow - that was the last election. People wanted a change. They bought into the Democratic marketing ploy. They thaught that they could get that, however they never asked if they should do that. This time around you won't have record numbers showing up to vote. The Republicans, the people that want to make sure that Obama doesn't get 4 more years to really make things bad, and the people that are so angry at his lies will show up. Those that still, for some reason, still like Obama may not vote for Romney, but will choose rather to stay home. So this should be a totally different election.

    Personally I just don't understand how or why people still follow Obama. It just amazes me that people still want higher taxes and more govenment control


    Thanks for the reply. What I am trying to point out is that public polling in 2008 and 2010 was skewed Republican and there is a good chance it is happening again in 2012. Public polls are primarily on land lines and they under-sample Latinos & cell phone only users who skew heavily Democratic. How else would that explain the polling average being off by 8 points in Nevada & 4 points in Colorado in both a Democratic wave (2008) and a Republican wave (2010)? The evidence is there and I have laid it out, up to you to make up your own mind. That to me is why both of those states are solid for Obama and good odds to take. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cool_Arrow:

    Agreed that it isn't the right forum for this but given your question as someone who follows politics well I would like to answer, I am very confident that Obama is going to win this election. 

    National polls don't mean squat in the scheme of things. Most voters have made up their minds (I live in a swing state and we have had non-stop ads for like 6 months now) so while the debates matter there aren't enough undecided voters to sway I think. The states that are being contested by both sides resemble the 2008 election map. For example in 2004 Virginia, Colorado and North Carolina were never really seen as truly competitive and were solidly Republican. In 2008 Obama won all of them. In 2012 all 3 are being heavily contested by both sides with the average of polls pointing to a slight Obama advantage in VA and CO with a small Romney lead in North Carolina. The election is being played in states that Romney should have locked up and he isn't expanding the map by going after fringe blue states like Michigan, New Mexico, Minnesota and Pennsylvania that Bush went after in 2004. Can Romney can run the table on all swing states? Possible but highly unlikely. Also no Republican has ever won the White House without winning Ohio. Romney is getting crushed there and early voting is going on now so a lead translates into actual votes. Don't bet against Obama IMO.

    spoken like a level headed person!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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    Agreed that it isn't the right forum for this but given your question as someone who follows politics well I would like to answer, I am very confident that Obama is going to win this election. 

    National polls don't mean squat in the scheme of things. Most voters have made up their minds (I live in a swing state and we have had non-stop ads for like 6 months now) so while the debates matter there aren't enough undecided voters to sway I think. The states that are being contested by both sides resemble the 2008 election map. For example in 2004 Virginia, Colorado and North Carolina were never really seen as truly competitive and were solidly Republican. In 2008 Obama won all of them. In 2012 all 3 are being heavily contested by both sides with the average of polls pointing to a slight Obama advantage in VA and CO with a small Romney lead in North Carolina. The election is being played in states that Romney should have locked up and he isn't expanding the map by going after fringe blue states like Michigan, New Mexico, Minnesota and Pennsylvania that Bush went after in 2004. Can Romney can run the table on all swing states? Possible but highly unlikely. Also no Republican has ever won the White House without winning Ohio. Romney is getting crushed there and early voting is going on now so a lead translates into actual votes. Don't bet against Obama IMO.

    spoken like a level headed person!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
     
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    Romney=Bush ... no thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by nooobie:

    Romney wins in a landslide.  America has finally woke the F up.

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    Romney wins in a landslide.  America has finally woke the F up.

     
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    Invictus28 - I'm sorry but why is it the wealthy people's responsibility to contribute even more of their hard earned money? It's not their responsibility to compensate for the governments inability to maintain a prosperous economy.  Stop with the fucking class warfare and just get a job...if you already have a job, work as hard there as you do reciting the Obama talking points. Rich get poorer as the lazy get richer is not something that should be promoted as a good thing. 
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    Invictus28 - I'm sorry but why is it the wealthy people's responsibility to contribute even more of their hard earned money? It's not their responsibility to compensate for the governments inability to maintain a prosperous economy.  Stop with the fucking class warfare and just get a job...if you already have a job, work as hard there as you do reciting the Obama talking points. Rich get poorer as the lazy get richer is not something that should be promoted as a good thing. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HorseNation:

    Invictus28 - I'm sorry but why is it the wealthy people's responsibility to contribute even more of their hard earned money? It's not their responsibility to compensate for the governments inability to maintain a prosperous economy.  Stop with the fucking class warfare and just get a job...if you already have a job, work as hard there as you do reciting the Obama talking points. Rich get poorer as the lazy get richer is not something that should be promoted as a good thing. 


    Talking points? This whole post is a Republican Fox news  talking  point. Lets blame the welfare queens for the mess we are in is bullshit. Rich are not getting poorer. Only the middle class is getting screwed. Let the bush tax cuts expire because tickle down has never worked.
    Don't hedge the bet.
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    Invictus28 - I'm sorry but why is it the wealthy people's responsibility to contribute even more of their hard earned money? It's not their responsibility to compensate for the governments inability to maintain a prosperous economy.  Stop with the fucking class warfare and just get a job...if you already have a job, work as hard there as you do reciting the Obama talking points. Rich get poorer as the lazy get richer is not something that should be promoted as a good thing. 


    Talking points? This whole post is a Republican Fox news  talking  point. Lets blame the welfare queens for the mess we are in is bullshit. Rich are not getting poorer. Only the middle class is getting screwed. Let the bush tax cuts expire because tickle down has never worked.
    Don't hedge the bet.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7out:



    Talking points? This whole post is a Republican Fox news  talking  point. Lets blame the welfare queens for the mess we are in is bullshit. Rich are not getting poorer. Only the middle class is getting screwed. Let the bush tax cuts expire because tickle down has never worked.
    Don't hedge the bet.

    Let me explain to you why you're a danger to America and need to be defeated:

    I own a biz. It is successful. It employs people. I pay personal income tax, onerous payroll taxes, i provide healthcare, i carry insurance that is required of me by the govt, i pay license fees locally and statewide to maintain my biz, etc.  I fork over .45 of every dollar.  To meet these increasing costs I have layed ppl off, scaled back hours, and eliminated advertising.  This has kept the biz going but sales have suffered. Lost rev but also less taxes paid. My billboard rep called me the other day after he got laid off asking me if i had work for him, i told him i did not.  My cable tv rep wanted to know if i had any plans for doing biz with him in 2013... I had to tell him no. 50% of my vendors are gone since this great experiment we've embarked upon with Neo-Marxism.  A local restaurant that my wife and i used to frequent just went out the other day.  The sandwich guy that used to deliver just stopped delivering because he can't afford it anymore.  Guess why all of this is going down, genius... Not enough customers.

    For a punk like you to come on here and call what is happening all over America "Fox News" propoganda is tragic.  I used to live in the 323.  I know exactly who the fuck you are and you're the reason i left.  In fact, you and your ilk are the reason hundreds of businesses leave CA every week.   

    If/when O is re-elected and the tax code is rewritten to further punish the producers, i will be laying even more people off or poss just shutting the doors for good.  Jobs, income tax rev, payroll tax rev, sales tax rev, all gone.  I don't need it. Truthfully, i'd rather burn it than give it to someone like you. You and your sick generation can go fuck urself.  
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    Talking points? This whole post is a Republican Fox news  talking  point. Lets blame the welfare queens for the mess we are in is bullshit. Rich are not getting poorer. Only the middle class is getting screwed. Let the bush tax cuts expire because tickle down has never worked.
    Don't hedge the bet.

    Let me explain to you why you're a danger to America and need to be defeated:

    I own a biz. It is successful. It employs people. I pay personal income tax, onerous payroll taxes, i provide healthcare, i carry insurance that is required of me by the govt, i pay license fees locally and statewide to maintain my biz, etc.  I fork over .45 of every dollar.  To meet these increasing costs I have layed ppl off, scaled back hours, and eliminated advertising.  This has kept the biz going but sales have suffered. Lost rev but also less taxes paid. My billboard rep called me the other day after he got laid off asking me if i had work for him, i told him i did not.  My cable tv rep wanted to know if i had any plans for doing biz with him in 2013... I had to tell him no. 50% of my vendors are gone since this great experiment we've embarked upon with Neo-Marxism.  A local restaurant that my wife and i used to frequent just went out the other day.  The sandwich guy that used to deliver just stopped delivering because he can't afford it anymore.  Guess why all of this is going down, genius... Not enough customers.

    For a punk like you to come on here and call what is happening all over America "Fox News" propoganda is tragic.  I used to live in the 323.  I know exactly who the fuck you are and you're the reason i left.  In fact, you and your ilk are the reason hundreds of businesses leave CA every week.   

    If/when O is re-elected and the tax code is rewritten to further punish the producers, i will be laying even more people off or poss just shutting the doors for good.  Jobs, income tax rev, payroll tax rev, sales tax rev, all gone.  I don't need it. Truthfully, i'd rather burn it than give it to someone like you. You and your sick generation can go fuck urself.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by cambyspree99:

    17 hours ago

    Florida's largest paper again backs Obama

    Posted by
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    (CNN) - The Tampa Bay Times, Florida's largest newspaper, announced on Friday it was again endorsing President Barack Obama, saying he is stronger than Romney on a range of economic, foreign policy, and social issues.

    But the paper said it "would like the president to present a sharper vision for a second term."

    – Follow the Ticker on Twitter: @PoliticalTicker

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    The Times, which was formerly known as the St. Petersburg Times, split its list of recommended candidates. Besides Obama, it backed Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson in his re-election bid, plus four Republicans and one Democrat seeking re-election to Congress. Rep. Bill Young, one of its recommended candidates, is the longest-serving Republican in the House.

    Obama has "capably steered the nation through an incredibly difficult period at home and abroad, often with little help from Congress," the paper said, and "conditions would be far worse without the president's steady leadership."

    Romney, they opined, represents "the failed policies of the past."

    The paper touted Obama's economic stimulus, health reform law, and handling of foreign policy, including his selection of former presidential rival Hillary Clinton as his secretary of state.

    "Although he came to the job with limited foreign policy experience, Obama has been reasonably sure-footed," the Times wrote.

    "The Republican's saber-rattling about the violence in Syria and Iran's efforts to develop a nuclear weapon is particularly concerning," it said, in a critique aimed at Romney. "This nation has neither the resources nor the appetite for another discretionary military adventure. Obama's mix of diplomacy, coalition-building and tough economic sanctions remains the smarter approach."

    Obama is also the paper's preferred candidate on women's issues, Medicare, and same-sex marriage, the paper wrote, as well as on handling the federal budget.

    "[T]he president at least proposes some specifics to bring the nation's finances into better order," the paper wrote. "He would end the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and reduce the deficit by $4 trillion over 10 years. He relies on artful accounting, and he will have to make a more serious attempt. But the president's bottom line is right: Reducing the deficit will require a combination of spending cuts and additional revenue. "

    In 2008, the paper backed Obama in the general election, touting his "approach to creating a fairer tax policy and expanding health care," position on Iraq, Afghanistan, energy, and his response to the economic crisis "with an appropriate mix of caution and sound principles grounded in reality."

    Earlier in the day, Colorado's largest newspaper, The Denver Post, said Obama had made "demonstrable – though hardly remarkable – progress" as president and again backed him. He was also backed by Utah's largest paper, the Salt Lake Tribune.

    The posted the endorsement online and said it will run in Sunday's newspaper.


    You're another tick on society's ass.  Post your ticket smart guy.  It's free $ right?  Let's see how much your in for... Peasant. 
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    (CNN) - The Tampa Bay Times, Florida's largest newspaper, announced on Friday it was again endorsing President Barack Obama, saying he is stronger than Romney on a range of economic, foreign policy, and social issues.

    But the paper said it "would like the president to present a sharper vision for a second term."

    – Follow the Ticker on Twitter: @PoliticalTicker

    – Check out the CNN Electoral Map and Calculator and game out your own strategy for November.

    The Times, which was formerly known as the St. Petersburg Times, split its list of recommended candidates. Besides Obama, it backed Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson in his re-election bid, plus four Republicans and one Democrat seeking re-election to Congress. Rep. Bill Young, one of its recommended candidates, is the longest-serving Republican in the House.

    Obama has "capably steered the nation through an incredibly difficult period at home and abroad, often with little help from Congress," the paper said, and "conditions would be far worse without the president's steady leadership."

    Romney, they opined, represents "the failed policies of the past."

    The paper touted Obama's economic stimulus, health reform law, and handling of foreign policy, including his selection of former presidential rival Hillary Clinton as his secretary of state.

    "Although he came to the job with limited foreign policy experience, Obama has been reasonably sure-footed," the Times wrote.

    "The Republican's saber-rattling about the violence in Syria and Iran's efforts to develop a nuclear weapon is particularly concerning," it said, in a critique aimed at Romney. "This nation has neither the resources nor the appetite for another discretionary military adventure. Obama's mix of diplomacy, coalition-building and tough economic sanctions remains the smarter approach."

    Obama is also the paper's preferred candidate on women's issues, Medicare, and same-sex marriage, the paper wrote, as well as on handling the federal budget.

    "[T]he president at least proposes some specifics to bring the nation's finances into better order," the paper wrote. "He would end the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and reduce the deficit by $4 trillion over 10 years. He relies on artful accounting, and he will have to make a more serious attempt. But the president's bottom line is right: Reducing the deficit will require a combination of spending cuts and additional revenue. "

    In 2008, the paper backed Obama in the general election, touting his "approach to creating a fairer tax policy and expanding health care," position on Iraq, Afghanistan, energy, and his response to the economic crisis "with an appropriate mix of caution and sound principles grounded in reality."

    Earlier in the day, Colorado's largest newspaper, The Denver Post, said Obama had made "demonstrable – though hardly remarkable – progress" as president and again backed him. He was also backed by Utah's largest paper, the Salt Lake Tribune.

    The posted the endorsement online and said it will run in Sunday's newspaper.


    You're another tick on society's ass.  Post your ticket smart guy.  It's free $ right?  Let's see how much your in for... Peasant. 
     
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    LUNDGUARD

    This is by light years one of the greatest posts EVER at Covers

    You need to copy and paste it over to the politics forum. Everything could not have been summarized any better

    You ARE a Great American

    God Bless America especially on 11/6/12

    God bless, Crusher.  You hang in there.  This mofo is LANDSLIDEABLE.  Just keep banging the drum and we'll save Her yet.  
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    LUNDGUARD

    This is by light years one of the greatest posts EVER at Covers

    You need to copy and paste it over to the politics forum. Everything could not have been summarized any better

    You ARE a Great American

    God Bless America especially on 11/6/12

    God bless, Crusher.  You hang in there.  This mofo is LANDSLIDEABLE.  Just keep banging the drum and we'll save Her yet.  
     
     
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    well ted, if i was worried about my obama wager....i would just hedge out on romney with plus money, and stop worrying about it. the polls mean more closer in to the election because the polling organizations dont want to look bad being way off the mark. no president has won re election when polling under 50% this close in to an election..
    just my opinion. you asked for advice and thats mine, for what its worth.
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    well ted, if i was worried about my obama wager....i would just hedge out on romney with plus money, and stop worrying about it. the polls mean more closer in to the election because the polling organizations dont want to look bad being way off the mark. no president has won re election when polling under 50% this close in to an election..
    just my opinion. you asked for advice and thats mine, for what its worth.
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