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    Posted: Oct. 11, 2012 - 5:18 PM ET #1

    I want to talk a little bit about line movement in the NFL. The first thing I like to do when capping a game is analyze match-ups.. Look at teams strengths and weaknesses. From that point (like many others), I try to create my own Line for the game and see how close (or far off) I am from the official line on the game.

    But there are three things that I always look at when capping a game in the NFL that carry a bit more weight for me. That is, Situational spot playing, Public Perception, and Line Movement. I'm about to go into more detail about the latter two.

    Now, for those of you that have been in the game for a while, this is nothing new to you. Anybody that has been gambling on sports for a while, and has been successfull, already knows that theses things are important. So, I'm not trying to school anyone, or suggest that you bet solely on these angles. But, I just thought I would share some information that I've gathered over the first quarter of the NFL season.

    First, let's look at Reverse Line Movement through the last 4 weeks:

    ex. DETROIT @ DALLAS... DAL comes in as a 3pt favorite.. 80% of the public is betting on DAL, yet the Line moves to DAL -2.5

    SEE POST BELOW:

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    I want to talk a little bit about line movement in the NFL. The first thing I like to do when capping a game is analyze match-ups.. Look at teams strengths and weaknesses. From that point (like many others), I try to create my own Line for the game and see how close (or far off) I am from the official line on the game.

    But there are three things that I always look at when capping a game in the NFL that carry a bit more weight for me. That is, Situational spot playing, Public Perception, and Line Movement. I'm about to go into more detail about the latter two.

    Now, for those of you that have been in the game for a while, this is nothing new to you. Anybody that has been gambling on sports for a while, and has been successfull, already knows that theses things are important. So, I'm not trying to school anyone, or suggest that you bet solely on these angles. But, I just thought I would share some information that I've gathered over the first quarter of the NFL season.

    First, let's look at Reverse Line Movement through the last 4 weeks:

    ex. DETROIT @ DALLAS... DAL comes in as a 3pt favorite.. 80% of the public is betting on DAL, yet the Line moves to DAL -2.5

    SEE POST BELOW:

     
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    Posted: Oct. 11, 2012 - 5:23 PM ET #2

    Sorry, I tried to copy and past an excell spreadsheet... Its not allowing me to post... Standby...
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    Posted: Oct. 11, 2012 - 5:37 PM ET #3

     Still not working! It's saying i can't post over 7800 characters. But I even tried to break it up into several posts and it still won't allow me...Anyway, What I did was break down each and every line movement, along with the public %, and the outcome was alarming.

     

    Here are a few teams that fit this angle in Week 6:

    CLEVELAND +3 / +1  (16%)

    DALLAS +4 / +3.5  (22%)

    PHILLY -6 / -4  (36%)

    SEATTLE +4.5 / +3.5  (38%)

     

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     Still not working! It's saying i can't post over 7800 characters. But I even tried to break it up into several posts and it still won't allow me...Anyway, What I did was break down each and every line movement, along with the public %, and the outcome was alarming.

     

    Here are a few teams that fit this angle in Week 6:

    CLEVELAND +3 / +1  (16%)

    DALLAS +4 / +3.5  (22%)

    PHILLY -6 / -4  (36%)

    SEATTLE +4.5 / +3.5  (38%)

     

    BOL to All.. Beat the Man!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2012 - 11:14 AM ET #4

    Hi…like your picks….I tend to follow line movement too….lots of recent results to support your system too:

    Philly -6 / -4 (36%)…...slight public on the dog...big line move towards dog…result should be Philly.  A couple of examples from this year support this…Wk1 Bills @ Jets, Wk2 Den @ Atl …both FAV wins.  PHILLY!!

    Seattle +4.5/+3.5  (38%)…..slight public on the fav…line movement towards fav…result should be Seattle.  A few examples also support this…Wk1 Car @ TB (+3/+2.5 w.29%)…Dog Win…Oak @ Miami (+3/+2 w.27%)..Dog Win. Wk 3 Jets @ Miami (+3/+2.5 w.18%)..Dog Win.  Phil @ Ari (+4/+3 w.48%)..Dog Win.  Pits @ Oak (+4.5/+3.5 w.19%)..Dog Win. GB @ Sea (+4.5/+3…with 19% Sea)…Dog Win.  SEATTLE!

    Dallas…..similar to Seattle above….agree.  DALLAS!

     

    I am having trouble with the Cleveland game though….thanks for the information.  Too bad u can't post your spreadsheet.

    Good luck everyone!

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    Hi…like your picks….I tend to follow line movement too….lots of recent results to support your system too:

    Philly -6 / -4 (36%)…...slight public on the dog...big line move towards dog…result should be Philly.  A couple of examples from this year support this…Wk1 Bills @ Jets, Wk2 Den @ Atl …both FAV wins.  PHILLY!!

    Seattle +4.5/+3.5  (38%)…..slight public on the fav…line movement towards fav…result should be Seattle.  A few examples also support this…Wk1 Car @ TB (+3/+2.5 w.29%)…Dog Win…Oak @ Miami (+3/+2 w.27%)..Dog Win. Wk 3 Jets @ Miami (+3/+2.5 w.18%)..Dog Win.  Phil @ Ari (+4/+3 w.48%)..Dog Win.  Pits @ Oak (+4.5/+3.5 w.19%)..Dog Win. GB @ Sea (+4.5/+3…with 19% Sea)…Dog Win.  SEATTLE!

    Dallas…..similar to Seattle above….agree.  DALLAS!

     

    I am having trouble with the Cleveland game though….thanks for the information.  Too bad u can't post your spreadsheet.

    Good luck everyone!

     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2012 - 11:20 AM ET #5

    great picks and analysis make sure u post as much of ur analysis as u can . great job thx
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    great picks and analysis make sure u post as much of ur analysis as u can . great job thx
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2012 - 11:27 AM ET #6

    Sorry...Dallas is not like Seattle...Dallas in on the road.  But still on Dallas with these examples:

    Wk1 Jax (+4.5/+3.5 w.42% on Jax) @ Min...result Dog Win. Wk 3 Cinn (+3.5/+3 w.42% on Cinn) @ Wash..Dog Win.  NE (+3/+2.5 w.50% on NE) @ Balt...Result Dog.  Wk4 Minn (+4.5/+4 w.35% on Minn) @ Det...Dog Win.

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    Sorry...Dallas is not like Seattle...Dallas in on the road.  But still on Dallas with these examples:

    Wk1 Jax (+4.5/+3.5 w.42% on Jax) @ Min...result Dog Win. Wk 3 Cinn (+3.5/+3 w.42% on Cinn) @ Wash..Dog Win.  NE (+3/+2.5 w.50% on NE) @ Balt...Result Dog.  Wk4 Minn (+4.5/+4 w.35% on Minn) @ Det...Dog Win.

    Good Luck.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2012 - 12:24 PM ET #7

    What if the line is so high do to Vicks recent success against Det and the public wasn't fooled forcing the line to go down to attract moref bettors. What if the books are expecting bettors to tease this game and gave you very little value because Detroit was going to destroy them. This is the type of game where I ignore trends. We all know what Phi capable of but Vick is just not playing at a high level. And they barely even put up 20. So you really can't read this line movement. The books make mistakes too and may have thought the public would pound Phi due to Det 1-4 record.
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    What if the line is so high do to Vicks recent success against Det and the public wasn't fooled forcing the line to go down to attract moref bettors. What if the books are expecting bettors to tease this game and gave you very little value because Detroit was going to destroy them. This is the type of game where I ignore trends. We all know what Phi capable of but Vick is just not playing at a high level. And they barely even put up 20. So you really can't read this line movement. The books make mistakes too and may have thought the public would pound Phi due to Det 1-4 record.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2012 - 12:32 PM ET #8

    As far as the Cin/Cle game goes. The public was pounding Cincinnati early. The way I see it. Why not bring the line down to make bettors think or to even freeze bettors and keep them from pounding it more. Cleveland is riddled with injuries and I think the line moves back up.
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    As far as the Cin/Cle game goes. The public was pounding Cincinnati early. The way I see it. Why not bring the line down to make bettors think or to even freeze bettors and keep them from pounding it more. Cleveland is riddled with injuries and I think the line moves back up.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2012 - 2:29 PM ET #9

    Maybe Magic can comment further on Philly.

    Yes.  Agreed, books make mistakes or they are trying to trick us.  With Philly the line has dropped with less public on the home favorite certainly indicates that something is up.  Maybe waiting until the line has settled might be best. 

    I have one example from Week 2 last year that pokes a little hole in my system theory…..same exact scenario but the result was a dog win:

    Last year…Cinn (+6/+3.5……45% on Denver) @ Denver….result was Dog Win (Den 24 – Cinn 20).  What was different versus this Philly matchup? 

    Therefore, after the analysis is all said and done maybe we do throw out the trends.  We have Philly that can’t score and Detroit that can’t stop anyone (lost to Titans a couple of weeks ago).  I am still on Philly.

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    Maybe Magic can comment further on Philly.

    Yes.  Agreed, books make mistakes or they are trying to trick us.  With Philly the line has dropped with less public on the home favorite certainly indicates that something is up.  Maybe waiting until the line has settled might be best. 

    I have one example from Week 2 last year that pokes a little hole in my system theory…..same exact scenario but the result was a dog win:

    Last year…Cinn (+6/+3.5……45% on Denver) @ Denver….result was Dog Win (Den 24 – Cinn 20).  What was different versus this Philly matchup? 

    Therefore, after the analysis is all said and done maybe we do throw out the trends.  We have Philly that can’t score and Detroit that can’t stop anyone (lost to Titans a couple of weeks ago).  I am still on Philly.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2012 - 2:36 PM ET #10

    I'm sorry, that final score was Den 24-Cinn 22(not 20).
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2012 - 3:15 PM ET #11

    Fellas, Thanx for your input... I am looking forward to sharing the info that I've gathered over the course of this season and last. Spent a lot of time yesterday working on the spreadsheet and frustrated that I couldn't get it up.. Left for vacation in Fla. today, so I really can't spend anymore time on it this week.. But this week will certainly be indicative of what I've observed so far! All I know is I love what I'm seeing on this weeks card.. My best bet is on Dallas.. Philly, SEA, and CLE as medium plays. As an eagles fan, I think they finally Explode this week vs DET, and the Line move would typically indicate otherwise, But it's telling me exactly what I need to know. Lay the points.
    Friend request me, and we can share thoughts & info, and talk more about it next week.
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    Fellas, Thanx for your input... I am looking forward to sharing the info that I've gathered over the course of this season and last. Spent a lot of time yesterday working on the spreadsheet and frustrated that I couldn't get it up.. Left for vacation in Fla. today, so I really can't spend anymore time on it this week.. But this week will certainly be indicative of what I've observed so far! All I know is I love what I'm seeing on this weeks card.. My best bet is on Dallas.. Philly, SEA, and CLE as medium plays. As an eagles fan, I think they finally Explode this week vs DET, and the Line move would typically indicate otherwise, But it's telling me exactly what I need to know. Lay the points.
    Friend request me, and we can share thoughts & info, and talk more about it next week.
    Best of luck this weekend 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2012 - 3:20 PM ET #12

    Agree with Philly.  We are horrible on defense.
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2012 - 3:25 PM ET #13

    IMO & this is only my opinion, I think eagles win but don't cover..........
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    IMO & this is only my opinion, I think eagles win but don't cover..........
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2012 - 3:43 PM ET #14

    i agree with philly but not others 3 team. look scary to me lol. but BOL bro.
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    i agree with philly but not others 3 team. look scary to me lol. but BOL bro.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2012 - 7:08 PM ET #15

    Hard to go with Seattle on this, but like the other 3. 

    *Friend Request Sent. Thanks in Advance. 
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    Hard to go with Seattle on this, but like the other 3. 

    *Friend Request Sent. Thanks in Advance. 
    Best of luck this week
     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2012 - 7:28 AM ET #16

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    With you on CLE, Philly, Sea, Like Baltimore vs DAL
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    With you on CLE, Philly, Sea, Like Baltimore vs DAL
     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2012 - 7:31 AM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by PrimeTimeBoys:

    IMO & this is only my opinion, I think eagles win but don't cover..........


    Agreed,  I have said it before that the Eagles are a play as a Dog and a fade as a Fav
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimeTimeBoys:

    IMO & this is only my opinion, I think eagles win but don't cover..........


    Agreed,  I have said it before that the Eagles are a play as a Dog and a fade as a Fav
     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2012 - 8:04 AM ET #18

    Interesting, would like to befriend also to keep abreast of this informative angle  Thanks.

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    Interesting, would like to befriend also to keep abreast of this informative angle  Thanks.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2012 - 8:20 AM ET #19

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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2012 - 11:25 AM ET #21

    liking az @ home for a big play    bol to all
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    TheG0at
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2012 - 11:31 AM ET #23

    i love seatle this week others are too close to call. they are no plays for me.
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    i love seatle this week others are too close to call. they are no plays for me.
     
    Charlie_Brown
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2012 - 11:35 AM ET #24

    what website do you use to see what percent of the public is betting on which team?


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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2012 - 11:44 AM ET #25

    Hi....I have been using thespread.com.  Here's todays' link:

    https://www.thespread.com/nfl-football-public-betting-chart#.UHrdPm8rWSp

    I find they update regularly...and it's one spot versus several.  Yah, it dumbs it down a bit but I don't have time to research all the houses.


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    Hi....I have been using thespread.com.  Here's todays' link:

    https://www.thespread.com/nfl-football-public-betting-chart#.UHrdPm8rWSp

    I find they update regularly...and it's one spot versus several.  Yah, it dumbs it down a bit but I don't have time to research all the houses.


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