Im at a Loss for Words...AZ Total Wins Future O 8.5?

Let me preface by saying Yes I am an AZ fan.  But I am also an NFL fan and I'm not stupid.  For instance, there is another future wins bet that seems like a lock.  And the Sportsbooks are giving odds to the public as if it is a lock.  I am referring to MINN total wins Over 8.5 (-250).  Min went 8-8 last year.  They have (added) AP and Mike Wallace and their defense is very underrated.  They face GB twice without Nelson, Lions without Suh and a Bears team that has gotten worse.  Barring an Injury to AP or Bridgewater they should win 9 games easily hence the (-250) line.

Now that I have hopefully proven to you that I have football knowledge and not a hopeless diehard AZ fan, can someone please explain this to me.  The line for Cardinals wins this year is 8.5..with the Over price being (-140)...

So according to Vegas AZ has about a 58% of winning 9 games 

ROFL LMAO.

Last year we went 11-5.  We started 2nd and 3rd stringers at EVERY position at some point.  Most importantly, we won games with Patrick Peterson having diabetes, Tyrann Mathieu being hurt, Palmer and Ellington out, Fitzgerald hurt. The list goes on.

Arians got coach of the year.

Now yes our schedule this year is a little tougher.  Yes we lost Bowles and Cromartie to the Jets.  But if the sky fell and we got hurt again and our defense wasn't as good I still put our chances of winning 9 games at somewhere close to 90%.  Am I crazy?

Consider also that one of our 5 losses last year was to SF when we started a 3rd string QB.  I fully expect us to sweep SF this year.

 The line for our wins should be at 9 Minimum...I think anyone who has a solid understanding of football should see this and take advantage of it..please someone tell me what I'm missing here.

Beat the bookies cuz apparently the hate the Cardinals or not enough of the public sees what an amazing bet this is. 

 

Quick edit because the line has moved since I last looked at it...we are now +110 to win over 8.5 games lmao.  So we are now an underdog to have a winning season...

Got cards at 30-1 sb odds

Hey, if I still keep getting to bet on them....

I like the Cards this year and think they should win over 10 games if they stay healthy. Mr. Palmer are you listening.

Key is will Carson stay healthy through the year? If not I can see them as a 7 or 8 win team. I love the defense but the offense even with Carson is suspect

Cards are extremely undervalued. They were 6-0 last year until Palmer got hurt.

Beware of anyone who calls any team "we".

Palmer went 6-0 on a lucky cupcake schedule:

18-17 last-minute win against the Chargers who were looking ahead to their Super Bowl against Seattle. The Chargers led 17-6 going into the fourth quarter.

30-20 vs. the Skins who turned the ball over 4 times.

24-13 vs. the Raiders.

24-20 vs. the Eagles. Foles had two interceptions and the Cardinals were still outgained by 120 yards.

28-17 vs. the Romo-less Cowboys.

31-14 vs. the Rams. The Rams were dominating them on the road, holding Palmer and company to 10 points through three quarters. Drew Stanton came in, led them to a TD and at 17-14, the Cardinals had a fumble and int TD to make this score much better than it actually was.

= a few very bad defenses and only one playoff team that was missing Tony Romo

A lot of their defensive success had to do with the scheming of Todd Bowles and as a result the high amount of turnovers they were producing. Take away a few turnovers and this defense looks bad.

No Todd Bowles and only one quality pass-rusher on paper right now in Calais Campbell.

A 35-year-old QB off a second ACL tear who is one big hit away from being sidelined and an offensive line that misses two good players in Iupati and Massie to start the season.

Very strong second half schedule and two terrible matchups against the Rams.

How are they going to make the playoffs this season?

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The assumption by many that the Rams will automatically be better than an 8-8 team this year comical.  As you mentioned Foles threw 2 ints vs us...he is an overrated QB with limited offensive weapons  He has also never played SEA's def. So it is funny to me you think the Cardinals have more to prove than the "tough" Rams. 

The question wasn't about playoffs it is how we would only go 8-8.  This is considering the fact we won games with a ton of injuries last year.  That's a big reason why all those games were so close. If you can show me how we lose 8 games I would love to debate you on that.

If your only argument for us going 8-8 is losing our defensive coordinator than I don't buy that.  Everyone has the potential to get hurt and this team knows how to overcome injuries more than most. 

If you want to say we will only win 9 games and miss the playoffs I can see that.  But until someone shows me the 8 games we would loe to finish 8-8 I see this bet as a lock.

   

sd and eagles were coin flip games. would cards go 2-0 again? maybe not. but they aren't guaranteed to go 0-2 either. 

skins are atrocious at qb, those 4 turnovers didn't happen by accident against the no fly zone. 

raiders were cheeks on offense last year. not really a lucky game... 

boys maybe. but a healthy romo makes it a coin flip game if anything. 

the rams score flattered the cards. but there really wasn't ever much of a chance the rams were going to win. and again, teams just don't turn the ball over by accident against the cards, same with seattle's d...... 

don't think the cards would go 6-0 again true, but no reason they won't win 4-5 of them if they played the games again this season. 

rams are a legit team on defense i agree, but there are still very real question marks on their offense. it's definitely possible they finish above the cards but is it really THAT sure of a thing? 

the usual tools for regression such as turnovers and scoring margin call for the cards to take a step back, but i think this team is an exception to the rule. the defense is still nasty and arians knows how to win close games. 

They could easily lose 1)at Pittsburgh 2)Raven 3)at Seahawks 4)at 49ers 5)at Rams 6)Vikings 7)at Eagles 8)Packers

What if Palmer gets hurt?  There is a good chance that happens.  Arians is a good coach and they overachieved the last two years.

Wish you the best of luck with your bet, but 9 wins is far from a lock.   

I would bet under.

Foles was missing Evan Mathis in that game and they still dropped 520 yards and 6 ypa on the Cards. Foles had the 4th (?) best QBR in NFL history in 2013 and his surrounding cast was banged up in 2014. So it's too early to call him overrrated IMO.

This defense ranked #25 in yards per attempt, #23 in net-YPPA and bottom-10 in any serious efficiency ranking. Because Todd Bowles was a genius, they had a good 3rd down defense (heavy blitzing) and a good red zone defense and they created some crucial turnovers at the right times. They didn't play many good offenses but when, they got crushed: 29 vs. ATL, 40 vs. DEN, 520 yards vs. the Eagles.

I don't think this offense is any good. Questionable o-line, weak running game, 35-year-old QB after a second ACL tear. Just take a look at how many offensive points the Palmer-led offense scored last season:

17 vs. SD
23 vs. WSH
24 vs. OAK
24 vs. PHI
21 vs. DAL
10 vs. STL in three quarters

That's 20.7 offensive PPG against weak defenses and I didn't take into account how many points they scored off a turnover which led to heavy field position.

If I had to bet, I would definitely take the Under on the season wins as their schedule is very tough, especially in the second half of the season.

When Drew Brees, Mark Ingram and Brandin Cooks pick this defense apart on Sunday, people will realize their defensive success was more illusion than reality.

1-0.  Bet the Under...NO picked us apart alright..just stick to your team buddy

1-0.  Bet the Under...NO picked us apart alright..just stick to your team buddy
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Thats 31 pts vs a weak defense, I sense improvement...N.O. really sucks on the road.  They were never beating us. 

BRANDIN COOKS WHO?  Go Cards!

2-0.

I feel bad for the cowboys....it appears they may be in for an injury plagued season similar to what AZ had to go through. It is very encouraging if I am a DAL fan that they were able to pull out the first 2 games...If they can take it gm by gm week by week I don't see how you can count them out to win a weak division especially if Romo and Dez return with time to spare.  GL to the Cowboys its a tough situation for sure.

After how the Saints played against the Bucs, one thing is obvious: The Cardinals schedule starts next week against the Rams.

Good luck this week!