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#51
Brady is a lot better looking than Manning also
BRADY best ever??? "possibly"
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#52
Quote Originally Posted by ChefERD:
interesting! i was watching The Herd today, and he talked about something i have been saying ofr many many years.
"the majority of sports fans will say that Montana or Brady are the best QBs of all-time.... but to say that is to completely misunderstand what the NFL is about (his words, not mine!). look at who their coaches were: Montana had Bill Walsh, the greatest coach of the 80s and 90s, and Brady had Bill Belicheck, the greatest coach of the 2000s...... (i would add that others throw in Bradshaw, who had Chuck Knoll, the greatest coach of the 70s, in my opinion)...... Brees was pedestrian, then he teamed up with Sean Payton, and now he's a champion...... the point is, the NFL is about systems and schemes, and championships come from the coaches who create those systems and schemes."
pretty much his exact words, other than my comments in parenthesis......
i guess i needed to repost this....... some people are still actually arguing that Montana and Brady are 1 and 2....... come on! this is basic logic, here......
and i finally realized that Sammy_Meatballs is a girl....... between the "womanizing" comment about Manning and then saying Brady is better looking......
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#53
Quote Originally Posted by ChefERD:
you can't simplify the "who is the greatest QB" argument to "which QB has the most rings?"....... it is surprising that some people would think that you can...... i can understand that argument for coaches, but it isn't true for a QB any more than it is true for a left tackle or corner back......
you can't simplify the "who is the greatest QB" argument to "which QB has the most rings?"....... it is surprising that some people would think that you can...... i can understand that argument for coaches, but it isn't true for a QB any more than it is true for a left tackle or corner back......
this should be required reading for every football fan....... until you grasp the reality of this statement, you do not belong in this discussion.......
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#54
Quote Originally Posted by ChefERD:
this should be required reading for every football fan....... until you grasp the reality of this statement, you do not belong in this discussion.......
since no1 has checked u yet,,i thnk its only right i do
1st of all its all about sb rings!!!! youR career is nothing without rings and thats in any sport!!!
u honestly must be dum,,because until PM won that fluky as SB against "rex" PM wasnt considered as anything!!! but trash
2nd ppl saying Montana,,cant be serious,,can any1 honestly compare his 49ers team to bradys 2000 teams??? its not even close!!! as a matter fact the superbowls he won were f***n blowouts..his team was super!! while bradys was super weak
montana was never asked to drive his team with 2mins or less n sb's(4 2b exact) in bad field position,,and make the impossible>possible like Tom "cool" has done,,
no qb has or will ever accomplish anythng near what tom has done with SB'S on the line!!!>>PERIOD
its not even about PM,,bcause any1 who knows football knows that ur career is made in the pressure moments not n the regular season
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#55
Quote Originally Posted by Ceomoss84:
since no1 has checked u yet,,i thnk its only right i do
1st of all its all about sb rings!!!! youR career is nothing without rings and thats in any sport!!!
u honestly must be dum,,because until PM won that fluky as SB against "rex" PM wasnt considered as anything!!! but trash
2nd ppl saying Montana,,cant be serious,,can any1 honestly compare his 49ers team to bradys 2000 teams??? its not even close!!! as a matter fact the superbowls he won were f***n blowouts..his team was super!! while bradys was super weak
montana was never asked to drive his team with 2mins or less n sb's(4 2b exact) in bad field position,,and make the impossible>possible like Tom "cool" has done,,
no qb has or will ever accomplish anythng near what tom has done with SB'S on the line!!!>>PERIOD
its not even about PM,,bcause any1 who knows football knows that ur career is made in the pressure moments not n the regular season
LMAO are you 8 years old?
Tom Brady like Ben Roethlisberger is way overrated. Brady unlike Manning has yet to have a drive down 4-7 points or more and get a TD like Manning did against the pats in the AFC Championship and against them this year again. Brady's drives were when the game was tied and Adam Vinatieri bailed him out. There is a big difference between being down and having the game tied. Let's also not forget spygate because Brady had a lot of help knowing what the defenses were going to do. Brady is so overrated.
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#56
I will say this again the 49ers were forced to play some of the greatest teams in NFL history, which is a fact. Montana never lost a Superbowl and his playoff stats are second to none, there will always be the arguements was it the coach or the player,he won his first one without Rice. I have argued for Brady but not against Montana and your facts are wrong he drove them for a Superbowl win against Cincinnati and the "catch" which could be called the throw is legendary against historically strong Cowboy team. Cowboys, Washington and the Giants were unbelieveable teams, There is a reason people rarely dispute Montana.
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#57
You don't get 3 superbowl rings without being great in Superbowls wether it was early in the game or late, he could have thrown it away like manning did, he didn't. Brady drove for game winning field goals or the touchdown like he did against the giants, he doesn't play defense he put his team ahead late in the game, I have seen both, Montana was the man but Brady has been outstanding in big games, not in every big game nobody is perfect.
Now the idiot Polian is throwing the rest of the team under the BUS, everyone except the guy who threw to covered reciever with the game on the line.
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#58
Quote Originally Posted by carj:
You don't get 3 superbowl rings without being great in Superbowls wether it was early in the game or late, he could have thrown it away like manning did, he didn't. Brady drove for game winning field goals or the touchdown like he did against the giants, he doesn't play defense he put his team ahead late in the game, I have seen both, Montana was the man but Brady has been outstanding in big games, not in every big game nobody is perfect.
Now the idiot Polian is throwing the rest of the team under the BUS, everyone except the guy who threw to covered reciever with the game on the line.
I don't recall him driving his team down for the game winning TD in the SB? All Brady has done is drive his teams down when they were tied and let Vinatieri do the work, when Peyton does that his miss. I don't remember Brady having any great moments after spygate, he has just choked because he doesn't know what the defense is gonna do, unlike the previous years. You finally saw this year what Brady could do when his defense can't clean his mistakes up for him.
Peyton makes 1 mistake during the whole game and suddendly it's his fault. Give me a fucking break, the Colts special teams recover that onside kick and the Colts are SB champions, I can guarantee you that. Brady is nowhere near the best, he's just another Aikman and Bradshaw.
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#59
Quote Originally Posted by heeeeeh:
I don't recall him driving his team down for the game winning TD in the SB? All Brady has done is drive his teams down when they were tied and let Vinatieri do the work, when Peyton does that his miss. I don't remember Brady having any great moments after spygate, he has just choked because he doesn't know what the defense is gonna do, unlike the previous years. You finally saw this year what Brady could do when his defense can't clean his mistakes up for him.
Peyton makes 1 mistake during the whole game and suddendly it's his fault. Give me a fucking break, the Colts special teams recover that onside kick and the Colts are SB champions, I can guarantee you that. Brady is nowhere near the best, he's just another Aikman and Bradshaw.
I don't recall him driving his team down for the game winning TD in the SB? All Brady has done is drive his teams down when they were tied and let Vinatieri do the work, when Peyton does that his miss. I don't remember Brady having any great moments after spygate, he has just choked because he doesn't know what the defense is gonna do, unlike the previous years. You finally saw this year what Brady could do when his defense can't clean his mistakes up for him.
Peyton makes 1 mistake during the whole game and suddendly it's his fault. Give me a fucking break, the Colts special teams recover that onside kick and the Colts are SB champions, I can guarantee you that. Brady is nowhere near the best, he's just another Aikman and Bradshaw.
dude are you retarded???????
u said he throws 1 pick and its his fault LMFAO!!!
do you know PMs playoff record????????
obviously u dont so ill excuse ur idiotness
ur on this post talkn like a fool!!!
what decent qb ever threw a damn pick 6 wit the game on the line n the bowl????? im listening> nobody good comes 2mind huh LMAO
peyton has choked his entire career
he will always be just stats
"just a stat"
and he always be known as the person that allowed
the saints 2 win a suberbowl!!!
"suber"
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#62
Winning the Superbowl is unbelieveably difficult because you have to on be your game on one day, not the best out of seven but the fact remains many great players have done it and with that elevate their stature. No bigger example than Bradshaw in big games he was money, the last two superbowls were because of the passing game. he has no great stats to speak of but the ability to win the tough games when everything is on the line is important.Montana. Aikman, Bradshaw and damn i hate saying this Brady did it, like I said earlier . yes they were on great teams but did the egg or the chicken come first. Jimmie Johnson did very little for Miami , switzer won one in Dallas with the same players, my favorite Chuck Knoll did little without Bradshaw and I am not sure what to say about Bill Walsh but Siefiert won one after he left.
Manning needs to show that ability to be brought into Montana's class.
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#63
Indy is causing their own mess by Polian blaming everyone except the coach and Manning who should take the heat if there was any, instead of just admitting they were beat by a better team on that day.
As a defensive coordinator i would often explain to the coach why a player wasn't in position to make a play, sometimes the QB just read what we were doing. This is on manning and the coach, it is that simple. Three runs at the goaline by a passing team when you just went 96 yards, a player leaving early which was probaly picked up on film, the lack of ability to get a few yards to hit a closer Fg, an attempt at a 50+ Fg when a guy hasn't hit one since 2006 and finally your QB throwing into coverage on a route he threw on the same drive and setup earlier in the game. If you threw it earlier on the drive you better watch it, in the NFL that isn't easy.
Polian is an idiot, great personel guy but an idiot. His team lost he didn't want the real culprites blamed, i would have said the Saints were better and left it at that.
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#64
Quote Originally Posted by carj:
Winning the Superbowl is unbelieveably difficult because you have to on be your game on one day, not the best out of seven but the fact remains many great players have done it and with that elevate their stature. No bigger example than Bradshaw in big games he was money, the last two superbowls were because of the passing game. he has no great stats to speak of but the ability to win the tough games when everything is on the line is important.Montana. Aikman, Bradshaw and damn i hate saying this Brady did it, like I said earlier . yes they were on great teams but did the egg or the chicken come first. Jimmie Johnson did very little for Miami , switzer won one in Dallas with the same players, my favorite Chuck Knoll did little without Bradshaw and I am not sure what to say about Bill Walsh but Siefiert won one after he left.
Manning needs to show that ability to be brought into Montana's class.
so now you are talking about Aikman and Bradshaw........ and you STILL don't understand why the "Rings" argument is completely ridiculous??????
that is your clue right there....... it does not get any more obvious than that!!!!
Bradshaw did not win 4 Super Bowls by himself....... Aikman did not win 4 Super Bowls by himself........ no QB has ever won even ONE Super Bowl by themself?
Bradshaw had Chuck Knoll and the Steel Curtain...... Aikman had one of the greatest offensive lines, greatest RBs and greatest defenses of all time.......
last time for the cheap seats: quarter backs do not win Super Bowls....... teams win Super Bowls...........
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#65
neither Aikman nor Bradshaw are considered to be in even the top 5 or 10 greatest QBs of all time, when you ask the experts........ the experts! they were both serviceable QBs that new how to manage the game and played on great teams....... but neither of them were truly great QBs.......
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#66
Quote Originally Posted by carj:
No bigger example than Bradshaw in big games he was money, the last two superbowls were because of the passing game. he has no great stats to speak of but the ability to win the tough games when everything is on the line is important.
and Bradshaw is the one who won those games? all by his lonesome? not Mean Joe Greene or Franco Harris? just little ol Terry?
come on!
i feel like i am giving you everything you need to have a moment of revelation....... but you just aren't getting it, are you?
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#67
Well Bradshaw might not have won it by himself but they played well to help their teams and he recieved the MVP in both superbowls, the defense was a shell of what it was in the early superbowls.,Get this MANNING threw into coverage at a critical point in the game and the superbowl was over on that throw. It is you who don't understand that the QB is the most important player on the field under most conditions, it is really that simple, protect the ball or you might blow the game for your team, Manning did just that.
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