Belichick Genius?? Someone explain

@TxRangers

 I think he's a great coach and his team is 1-3 right now.

Belichick without Brady:

71-79 Record

29-58 vs .500 teams

38-37 at Home

49-61 w/ 1st Round Picks at QB

51-60 w/ Pro Bowl QBs

0 Division Titles

2 Playoff Appearances

3 Winning Seasons

3 Top 10 Offenses

1-2 Playoff Record

0 Conference Championship Appearances

And:

Now that Belichick is going into a second season without Brady, the Patriots could be in for another long season. It's brought up the question of who was more important for the Patriots success, Brady or Belichick?

Before we dive into the numbers, the simple fact is when Belichick and Brady were together, they were the best. The six Super Bowl victories across 12 seasons is a record that will likely never be topped. They made the playoffs every season they were together except for two: 2002 and in 2008 when Brady was lost for the season due to a knee injury in the first game).

Then this week, former Patriots star Asante Samuel weighed in on last year’s starting quarterback, Cam Newton, getting cut by the Patriots on roster cutdown day. Samuel responded to a tweet from ESPN’s Louis Riddick and included this nugget: “But without Brady he is just another coach in my opinion. (sic)”

Samuel’s statement kicked up the discussion about Belichick without Brady. So, here’s how the numbers break down from a win/loss perspective.

Since Brady left New England, he led the Bucs to a Super Bowl championship in 2020 and looks poised to have the Bucs once again in the hunt for a second-straight title. Belichick’s Patriots stumbled to a 7-9 regular-season record in 2020 and this season will be starting a rookie quarterback, Mac Jones, which is tough for any team.

Prior to 2020, the last time Belichick didn’t have Brady under center was in 2008. That Patriots team was led by Matt Cassell after Brady tore his ACL in the first game of the season. The Patriots finished with an 11-5 regular-season record but missed the playoffs after dropping games to the Dolphins, who debuted the Wildcat offense that season. Belichick led the Patriots to a 5-11 record in 2000, the year before Brady took over as the starter and his first with New England.

Looking further back to his time in Cleveland, Belichick’s Browns made the playoffs just once in 1994, coincidentally the only winning season he posted as the head coach of the Browns. Overall, in Cleveland, Belichick posted a 30-34 regular-season record as head coach from 1992 through 1995.

In all his seasons without Brady at the helm in Cleveland and New England, Belichick has gone to the playoffs just once, the aforementioned 1994 season with the Browns. Outside of that season, Belichick hasn’t posted a winning season as a head coach in the NFL without Tom Brady as his quarterback. His overall record in the NFL as a head coach without Brady is 53-59, six games under .500.

Here’s a season-by-season breakdown of Belichick without Brady:

• 1992 Browns – 7-9 (missed playoffs)
• 1993 Browns – 7-9 (missed playoffs)
• 1994 Browns – 11-5 (lost divisional round)
• 1995 Browns – 5-11 (missed playoffs)
• 2000 Patriots – 5-11 (missed playoffs)
• 2008 Patriots – 11-5 (missed playoffs)
• 2020 Patriots – 7-9 (missed playoffs)
• Career record without Brady: 53-59

For comparison, Belichick’s regular-season record with Brady at the helm, 221-67.

So is Samuel right, is Belichick just another coach without Brady? Based on wins and losses, probably so. But there’s more to Belichick than just that.

Belichick is a defensive guru. As a defensive coordinator under head coach Bill Parcells, he helped build the New York Giants’ powerhouse defenses of the late 1980s including two Super Bowl victories (1986, 1990). He and Parcells teamed up again in 1996 with Belichick coaching the secondary for a Patriots team that went to the Super Bowl, before losing to the Green Bay Packers.

He’s also produced a coaching tree with nine assistant coaches from his time as a head coach ending up becoming NFL and college head coaches, including Alabama Head Coach Nick Saban, arguably the greatest college coach ever.

There's no arguing Brady is the greatest quarterback ever, the GOAT. Belichick earned his accolades with Brady, what he does without him may go a long way to defining his legacy. Regardless, as NFL fans, seeing both of them in their prime has been a treat, even if you don't cheer for either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_w_shAALXA

Go to the 6:30 minute mark.  Brady's comments on his 20 years in New England.

Slightly more relevant than your current recency bias!!

PS. Watch the whole video on Belichek's preparation, mentorship, and coaching.

@theMatrix24

 I'm glad you brought up Matt Cassel. No one had film on Matt Cassell. The Patriots didn't even have film on him. He didn't play in college. What has he done after his first year like most quarterbacks, regressed. After teams get film on them. He hasn't won a game after that year?? Why? Because now they have film on him. It happens all the time. A quarterback is great in his first year, and sucks the next year because now teams have them on them and knows his tendencies. So, try again?

brady left beli to join a super team lol  4 goats and a monster defense

So, hard not to say he is good, maybe even great, but to be legendary he would have to prove it without Brady.  For example, like Parcells or Gibbs with multiple QBs or teams, etc.

belichick took a rookie qb with jacoby meyers, nelson agholor and kendrick bourne to the playoffs. if thats not legendary i dont know what is

@theMatrix24

You do understand that they did NOT make the playoffs that year AND that they also LOST FIVE MORE games than they did the year before with the same personnel EXCEPT for Brady?  A HUGE dropoff.

I have never seen this as a good example of his coaching and can even see it as a case against it.

@undermysac

 Please answer my question!? Are the Patriots losing because of their players or because of their head coach!?!? Because according to Belichick fans, they win because of Belichick, but when he loses, they say it's a "rebuilding year" or "rookie quarterbacks". When he loses, they blame his team, and not him. But when he wins super bowls with the greatest player of all time and a great defense. Then they think he is great! So which one is it? Are they losing because of their players or because of their coach???

@TxRangers

 look at the colts when peyton left 

A 'super team' that had gone 5-11, 5-11, 7-9?  Then when Brady gets there goes 11-5 and wins a SB and 13-4? 

This is a better case for Brady making that team a 'super team'.

the bucs defense that humilated the new goat mahomes?  

Yessir--he is proving he is a good coach -- but 'legendary'?  Not yet, not to me. 

And I like him and think he is good.  But needs to show he can win without Brady is all.  He can I think; he just has to do it. 

brady is the only goat that can throw 3 picks in a playoff game and still win. The only goat that can win super bowls without throwing a td pass.  

Absolutely.  Never forget Winston threw for more yard than Brady, over 5100 yards.  AB only played 8 games.  But sure, give the exact personnel to Winston and see what he does.  Maybe he throws only 25 ints.

I get your point -- but you swerve the fact that the change was extraordinary.

You might be right.  I did not take him for a 'hater' -- I think he sincerely questioned it.  A lot of folks do.  That is not to take away from him being a good coach; he is a good coach.  He just will have to prove he can do it without Brady is all.

You are taking a SMALL sample piece of his career... you are missing 25 years prior to these last 3.

Up to date record including this year 1-3 record.

291 wins 146 loses  .666 win %  = HOF 

This post was ridiculous when it began. Has the OP just started watching football this season?