Would Kobe or Jordan have been able to win with LBJ's supporting cast?

Quote Originally Posted by Raiderpug:

Kobe never wanted to be traded and would never have left LA. It was all positioning by him to get Mitch Kupcake to actually do something about Smushy, Kwame and Brian "Puppycrap" Cook (Compare them to James teamates) the teamates Dr. Phil ordered Kobe to pass the ball to at halftime of Suns game. That's what Kobe did. He did not quit!

The results: Mitch grows a set and fulfills his destiny and Kobe gets Gasol, Fisher and Ariza/Artest to pass the ball to. Oh, and some bling too!

Quote Originally Posted by XhuegoX:

Pippen's bulls had 50 wins without Jordan that one year.

Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:

failure!  this entire write-up is off target...

 

 

one player makes all the difference... when was the last time an NBA team won the NBA championship with just 1 superstar surrounded by role players?  think about it, guys... we're not talking rocket science here... why does everyone always get this shit wrong?

Quote Originally Posted by DFlyersFan_82:

So only teams with a bunch of sduperstars win eh! what about San Antonio outside of Tim Duncan their werent any real super stars on that team that won the titles.

Its funny but I didnt hear any complaints going into the playoffs about the supporting cast, Cleveland was already being fitted for the title before they even hit the playoffs.

Quote Originally Posted by MoneyShot:

a lot of people are forgetting that jordan won all his titles with a guy that was named to the top 50 nba players of all time, funny how everyone forgets about Pippen. The guy was a defensive machine and prettty great all around player too....

Quote Originally Posted by graymeat2002:

How'd they fair in the playoffs?  Didn't pippen watch them get beat from the bench cause of a migrane that suddenly hit with 2 seconds to play?  Pippen was good but over rated, definately not top 50 of all time.  Although he did have a great run in Portland!

Quote Originally Posted by DFlyersFan_82:

So only teams with a bunch of sduperstars win eh! what about San Antonio outside of Tim Duncan their werent any real super stars on that team that won the titles.

Its funny but I didnt hear any complaints going into the playoffs about the supporting cast, Cleveland was already being fitted for the title before they even hit the playoffs.

Quote Originally Posted by DFlyersFan_82:

And LeBron has some talent next to him Varajeo is a pretty good player aswell its just people want to always point the finger at anyone but Lebron.

Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:

 

thanks for proving my point here... the Spurs first title was won with David Robinson... sort of a decent player... and the rest were won with Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili, who were both All Stars on a regular basis, and during two of those championships Ginobili was widely regarded as the 3rd best player in the NBA...

you proved my point here... find the last team that won a title without AT LEAST 2 superstars on the team... meaning 2 guys who are both regulars on the All Star team... i can tell you it hasn't happened since the late 90's...

 

and for the record, as everyone around here knows... i was bashing the Cavs supporting cast since day 1, and i all but guaranteed that the Cavs could not win a title with that roster...

 

you were late to the party... not me!  but you can still learn from this... it is a very simple formula in the NBA, and history proves it works...

no team with only one Super Star is ever going to win an NBA title... EVER!  maybe back in the 70s or 80s that was possible, but never again... and if you can't tell that the Cleveland Cavaliers only have one superstar on their team... you do not belong in this game...

Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:

so you are comparing Anderson Varejao to Scottie Pippen?

 

seriously... if the mods would just ban accounts anytime someone said something like this we would all be able to find much better information around here... this is an abominably ignorant statement...

Quote Originally Posted by DFlyersFan_82:

You forgot to mention perenial all stars Malik Rose,Sean Elliot,Brent Barry,Robert Horry,Glenn Robinson and Bruce Bowen.

Quote Originally Posted by DFlyersFan_82:

I never said they were of the same level just saying Anderson is a pretty good player and Lebron should have been able to work along with him, you make out like Lebron was playing alone when the Cavaliers earned the best record in the NBA,you just said it doesnt all come down one guy so where was all the other effort coming from.

Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:

 

come on dude... don't make statements like this unless you want me to rip into you... you are not talking to a 10 year old...

i said, no team will ever win a championship (and none has in recent memory) without only one Superstar...

obviously, every team has non Superstars on it... every team has role players...

seriously, i hate when i make a VERY CLEAR point and someone comes back and tries to change the argument to something ridiculous...

 

 

i don't really care if Lebron did give up... i play basketball... i have played a TON of basketball in my life... when you are on a team, and you give it everything you've got, but you aren't getting shit from your teammates, it eventually kills your spirit...

this thread PROVES that people need to get the fuck off of Lebron's back... idiots in here are comparing Anderson Varejao to Scottie Pippen, because they want to insist on crucifying Lebron... and yet every single comparison you want to make to Jordan or Kobe will ALWAYS come back with only one conclusion:

Lebron has never had a cast that is EVEN CLOSE (especially when you factor coaching) to what Jordan or Kobe had in ANY of their title runs...

 

THAT IS AN UNDENIABLE FACT!

 

end this bullshit... the guy is not to blame for the horseshit job that Cleveland Cavaliers management did in assembling pieces around him... anybody with a clue about the NBA knows that they get an F- for their efforts... it is one of the biggest failure jobs i have ever seen in professional sports, from a management standpoint...

and yet 99% of you brainless fucks are blaming Lebron...

idiots!  learn how to watch the fucking game and maybe some of you will get a pick right once in awhile...

Quote Originally Posted by DFlyersFan_82:

And I dont like getting into heated arguments over this stuff because its just a Sport.

Quote Originally Posted by book_itjames11:

just think about this..  take kobe and put him the cavs roster now,. ( i don't care which kobe, now or him 5 or 6 years ago.,)  that team would not make it to the finals.  but the main point i wanted to make is...
 put Lebron on the lakers roster now and that team would be just about unstoppable if they were all healthy. would give the 70-12 bulls record a run for there money.,  i would say 75+ wins easy for lebron with a great coach - phil jackson,. and gasol, artest, odom, bynum, fisher, s.brown,..  that is another thing everyone forgets.,  mike brown was not really the coach,. lebron was.,  the cavs needed somebody like rivers or gentry or g.karl who can get in a guys face and light a fire in him to make him play.,  in those pivital games 3,5, or even 6 i didn't see anyone diving for loose balls or acting like they cared at all.  and i did not bet a dime on this whole nba playoffs., 
i am a cavs fan., but the media is ridiculous., i knew going into the playoffs that i wanted atlanta so much more in the 2nd round then a boston celtics team that won it all only 2 season ago., 
if anything i think the cavs overachieved throughout the regular season and anyone could see something was not right with the team this whole series against boston., and even a few games against the bulls were close.,  enjoy., any feedback welcome 

Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:

 

thanks for proving my point here... the Spurs first title was won with David Robinson... sort of a decent player... and the rest were won with Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili, who were both All Stars on a regular basis, and during two of those championships Ginobili was widely regarded as the 3rd best player in the NBA...

you proved my point here... find the last team that won a title without AT LEAST 2 superstars on the team... meaning 2 guys who are both regulars on the All Star team... i can tell you it hasn't happened since the late 90's...

 

and for the record, as everyone around here knows... i was bashing the Cavs supporting cast since day 1, and i all but guaranteed that the Cavs could not win a title with that roster...

 

you were late to the party... not me!  but you can still learn from this... it is a very simple formula in the NBA, and history proves it works...

no team with only one Super Star is ever going to win an NBA title... EVER!  maybe back in the 70s or 80s that was possible, but never again... and if you can't tell that the Cleveland Cavaliers only have one superstar on their team... you do not belong in this game...

Quote Originally Posted by graymeat2002:

Best example is the 94 rockets.  arguable teams are the 03 spurs(parker and ginobli weren't perenial allstars yet), 04 Pistons  didn't have a superstar, alot of good players but no superstar.  06 heat Shaq still put up numbers vs celts if he does'nt count for Lebron he doesn't count for dwade.

 

Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:

failure!  this entire write-up is off target...

 

one player makes all the difference... when was the last time an NBA team won the NBA championship with just 1 superstar surrounded by role players?  think about it, guys... we're not talking rocket science here... why does everyone always get this shit wrong?

Quote Originally Posted by ct1016:

Exactly.  Team always beat star.  All this talk about Kobe and the times he has won is when the Lakers have had a low post presence (1tst Shaq....then Gasol/Bynum)

Who on the Cavs is controlling the paint?

Answer:    NOBODY!

LBJ has to do it all....and when he doesn't the haters come out trying to make sure that they spin what we are seeing their way.

Bottom line is, team always defeats star.  Even Paul Pierce said that....on any given night anyone could step up for Boston....but the Celtics knew all they had to do is stop Lebron.

Sorry folks that is not the case with the Lakers....they can get offense from others, particularly in the paint.