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what is ferry doing

Am not a hughes fan at all but we had the best rebounding front line in basketball.

Now we add ben to a team that needs scoring LOL

Wally LOL

Delonte west is a ok role player

Joe Smith whats the use we have Andy off the bench

Id like to hear your thoughts but IMO the cavs took two steps back today
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what is ferry doing

Am not a hughes fan at all but we had the best rebounding front line in basketball.

Now we add ben to a team that needs scoring LOL

Wally LOL

Delonte west is a ok role player

Joe Smith whats the use we have Andy off the bench

Id like to hear your thoughts but IMO the cavs took two steps back today
 
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Posted: Feb. 21, 2008 - 4:25 PM ET #2

this is a good move for cavs u get ben and joe + wally and delonte they can now go ahead and take of eastern confrence with those additions
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this is a good move for cavs u get ben and joe + wally and delonte they can now go ahead and take of eastern confrence with those additions
 
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The Cleveland Cavaliers appear to have beaten the NBA's annual trade buzzer to get LeBron James some of the fresh help he's been openly craving.

In a three-way, 11-player trade with Chicago and Seattle that has been submitted for league approval, NBA front-office sources say that Cleveland will come away with four new teammates for James, headlined by Ben Wallace from the Bulls and sharpshooter Wally Szczerbiak from the Sonics.

The league office was notified of the deal before Thursday's 3 p.m. ET trading deadline, sources said, and is currently reviewing the trade details as required for formal approval.

After Cleveland watched two longstanding trade targets land elsewhere -- Mike Bibby in Atlanta and Jason Kidd in Dallas -- sources say that the deal calls for the Cavaliers to receive Wallace, Szczerbiak, Seattle point guard Delonte West, Chicago's Joe Smith and a future second-round pick from the Bulls.

The Bulls, apparently abandoning their gamble on Wallace less than two seasons into the lucrative four-year deal they used to sign him away from Detroit, would get Cavaliers forward Drew Gooden and swingman Larry Hughes along with Cavs reserves Cedric Simmons and Shannon Brown.

The Sonics, shedding Szczerbiak in the name of additional payroll flexibility, come away with the expiring contracts of Cleveland's Ira Newble and Chicago's Adrian Griffin as well as Cavs veteran Donyell Marshall.

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The Cleveland Cavaliers appear to have beaten the NBA's annual trade buzzer to get LeBron James some of the fresh help he's been openly craving.

In a three-way, 11-player trade with Chicago and Seattle that has been submitted for league approval, NBA front-office sources say that Cleveland will come away with four new teammates for James, headlined by Ben Wallace from the Bulls and sharpshooter Wally Szczerbiak from the Sonics.

The league office was notified of the deal before Thursday's 3 p.m. ET trading deadline, sources said, and is currently reviewing the trade details as required for formal approval.

After Cleveland watched two longstanding trade targets land elsewhere -- Mike Bibby in Atlanta and Jason Kidd in Dallas -- sources say that the deal calls for the Cavaliers to receive Wallace, Szczerbiak, Seattle point guard Delonte West, Chicago's Joe Smith and a future second-round pick from the Bulls.

The Bulls, apparently abandoning their gamble on Wallace less than two seasons into the lucrative four-year deal they used to sign him away from Detroit, would get Cavaliers forward Drew Gooden and swingman Larry Hughes along with Cavs reserves Cedric Simmons and Shannon Brown.

The Sonics, shedding Szczerbiak in the name of additional payroll flexibility, come away with the expiring contracts of Cleveland's Ira Newble and Chicago's Adrian Griffin as well as Cavs veteran Donyell Marshall.

 
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Posted: Feb. 21, 2008 - 4:26 PM ET #4

Quote Originally Posted by risktaker:

this is a good move for cavs u get ben and joe + wally and delonte they can now go ahead and take of eastern confrence with those additions



Can i have some of that green your smoking
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this is a good move for cavs u get ben and joe + wally and delonte they can now go ahead and take of eastern confrence with those additions



Can i have some of that green your smoking
 
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Posted: Feb. 21, 2008 - 4:27 PM ET #5

Yeah Bro this is a good move for cleveland they just got really big on the boards and on D.  Defense wins championships man.  Wally is a better shooter than Hughes. 
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Yeah Bro this is a good move for cleveland they just got really big on the boards and on D.  Defense wins championships man.  Wally is a better shooter than Hughes. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by 20Four7:

Perfect trade for the Cavs. They finally have some Defense and a young Delonte West.


Wally dont play d

Delonte is small

Joe smith dont play d

Ben is not the same ben two years ago i tried telling everyone chicago shoulda never gave ben all that money.

Fellas this teams defense was fine there problem was scoring the basketball and a PG they didnt address that need at all they got worse
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Quote Originally Posted by 20Four7:

Perfect trade for the Cavs. They finally have some Defense and a young Delonte West.


Wally dont play d

Delonte is small

Joe smith dont play d

Ben is not the same ben two years ago i tried telling everyone chicago shoulda never gave ben all that money.

Fellas this teams defense was fine there problem was scoring the basketball and a PG they didnt address that need at all they got worse
 
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Seattle got the fuck job!!
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Posted: Feb. 21, 2008 - 4:32 PM ET #8

Quote Originally Posted by GMONEY21:

Yeah Bro this is a good move for cleveland they just got really big on the boards and on D.  Defense wins championships man.  Wally is a better shooter than Hughes. 


Explain to me how this is a good deal

Ben is an undersized forward who cant score and his best years are behind him. Wally may shoot better than Hughes but Hughes was twice as good on defense. Larry can score wally might give you ten pts a nite
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Yeah Bro this is a good move for cleveland they just got really big on the boards and on D.  Defense wins championships man.  Wally is a better shooter than Hughes. 


Explain to me how this is a good deal

Ben is an undersized forward who cant score and his best years are behind him. Wally may shoot better than Hughes but Hughes was twice as good on defense. Larry can score wally might give you ten pts a nite
 
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Posted: Feb. 21, 2008 - 4:33 PM ET #9

lebron got his new pg in west
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Posted: Feb. 21, 2008 - 4:33 PM ET #10

Quote Originally Posted by McPicks:

Seattle got the fuck job!!



They didnt give shit up


they were just dumping contracts
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Seattle got the fuck job!!



They didnt give shit up


they were just dumping contracts
 
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Posted: Feb. 21, 2008 - 4:35 PM ET #11

Quote Originally Posted by getlowplayaz:

lebron got his new pg in west



Delonte west in not a true PG

Hes the same player as Gibson, a SG in a PG body
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lebron got his new pg in west



Delonte west in not a true PG

Hes the same player as Gibson, a SG in a PG body
 
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Posted: Feb. 21, 2008 - 4:37 PM ET #12

Quote Originally Posted by king james23_mb:



Wally dont play d

Delonte is small

Joe smith dont play d

Ben is not the same ben two years ago i tried telling everyone chicago shoulda never gave ben all that money.

Fellas this teams defense was fine there problem was scoring the basketball and a PG they didnt address that need at all they got worse

Are you serious? Delonte West is a 6'4" COMBO guard, think Billups or Kenny Anderson, he can guard a PG or SG. Look what he did just last year and 2 years ago in Boston, he was solid and can run the point and most important play defense.

Wally doesn't play D, we know this, but we got him to stretch the floor which he can do b/c he shoots at a higher percentage than Hughes. Sasha and Boobie can buckle down on D when D is needed and we can send Wally World back on the bench when D is needed in tight games.

Joe Smith plays defense and is a great rebounder and shows up every nite unlike Gooden. He's a consumate professional and will only help this team.

We didn't get Ben for scoring, we got him for a defensive presence, one we don't have down on the block with Z. You say Ferry made a bad move getting him, well owner Dan Gilbert obviously doesn't care about paying the luxury tax for him.

Such a great move and all in all, 24 million in expiring contracts at the end of this season  

 

 

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Wally dont play d

Delonte is small

Joe smith dont play d

Ben is not the same ben two years ago i tried telling everyone chicago shoulda never gave ben all that money.

Fellas this teams defense was fine there problem was scoring the basketball and a PG they didnt address that need at all they got worse

Are you serious? Delonte West is a 6'4" COMBO guard, think Billups or Kenny Anderson, he can guard a PG or SG. Look what he did just last year and 2 years ago in Boston, he was solid and can run the point and most important play defense.

Wally doesn't play D, we know this, but we got him to stretch the floor which he can do b/c he shoots at a higher percentage than Hughes. Sasha and Boobie can buckle down on D when D is needed and we can send Wally World back on the bench when D is needed in tight games.

Joe Smith plays defense and is a great rebounder and shows up every nite unlike Gooden. He's a consumate professional and will only help this team.

We didn't get Ben for scoring, we got him for a defensive presence, one we don't have down on the block with Z. You say Ferry made a bad move getting him, well owner Dan Gilbert obviously doesn't care about paying the luxury tax for him.

Such a great move and all in all, 24 million in expiring contracts at the end of this season  

 

 

 
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King James, I really like your input onto this trade.  You seem to know what your talking about and I can responsd by only saying this. 

The points can be picked up by the rest of the team as well as the newcomers.  You still have LBJ leading you.  From my position, the players that Cleveland lost in a trade today haven't put the cavs where they are today.  What you have done today is made your mother fkn MACHINE in LBJ a happy mother firetrucking man.  Wallace is a pure vet and a machine in his day.  He brings a FU attitude and can back his front.  Zerb if healthy is a star no matter his age.  LBJ knows this.  LBJ needs this.  Watch your machine explode in ways that will take his team thru the playoffs and in the finals. 

I will be looking for teams that can exploit Clevelands weakness on defense and capitlize by hitting these bookies.  Let me know.  IMO
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King James, I really like your input onto this trade.  You seem to know what your talking about and I can responsd by only saying this. 

The points can be picked up by the rest of the team as well as the newcomers.  You still have LBJ leading you.  From my position, the players that Cleveland lost in a trade today haven't put the cavs where they are today.  What you have done today is made your mother fkn MACHINE in LBJ a happy mother firetrucking man.  Wallace is a pure vet and a machine in his day.  He brings a FU attitude and can back his front.  Zerb if healthy is a star no matter his age.  LBJ knows this.  LBJ needs this.  Watch your machine explode in ways that will take his team thru the playoffs and in the finals. 

I will be looking for teams that can exploit Clevelands weakness on defense and capitlize by hitting these bookies.  Let me know.  IMO
 
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Explain to me how this is a good deal

Ben is an undersized forward who cant score and his best years are behind him. Wally may shoot better than Hughes but Hughes was twice as good on defense. Larry can score wally might give you ten pts a nite

 

Ben Wallace went to Chicago for the money man and that was it once they told him he can not wear a headband that was it he lost all faith and just wanted a paycheck and did not have the motivation. West is not all that small.  Hughes is a good defender(will not argue that).  The D is better overall they the presence of a shot blocker that will block it or alter the shot and will rebound the ball in Wallace.  Think about it man Z, Wallace, Anderson on the floor at the same time who the hell is going to out rebound that...no one only thing it hurts is LBJ's rebounding average.  Smith can score 10 pts a game just like gooden except smith can do it off the bench.  Wally is the shooter this team could really use...also west is no slouch man he can play D too.  This will create more shots for Z(outside 12-15 footer that he is clutch on) and more time for the ball to be in the hands of LBJ and he will be driving to the hole more in hopes the D collapses and he can kick it out to Z, Gibson and now Wally come on bro with Anderson and wallace crashing the boards to get offensive boards

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Explain to me how this is a good deal

Ben is an undersized forward who cant score and his best years are behind him. Wally may shoot better than Hughes but Hughes was twice as good on defense. Larry can score wally might give you ten pts a nite

 

Ben Wallace went to Chicago for the money man and that was it once they told him he can not wear a headband that was it he lost all faith and just wanted a paycheck and did not have the motivation. West is not all that small.  Hughes is a good defender(will not argue that).  The D is better overall they the presence of a shot blocker that will block it or alter the shot and will rebound the ball in Wallace.  Think about it man Z, Wallace, Anderson on the floor at the same time who the hell is going to out rebound that...no one only thing it hurts is LBJ's rebounding average.  Smith can score 10 pts a game just like gooden except smith can do it off the bench.  Wally is the shooter this team could really use...also west is no slouch man he can play D too.  This will create more shots for Z(outside 12-15 footer that he is clutch on) and more time for the ball to be in the hands of LBJ and he will be driving to the hole more in hopes the D collapses and he can kick it out to Z, Gibson and now Wally come on bro with Anderson and wallace crashing the boards to get offensive boards

 
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Wally might actually work out for the Cavs as Kover did for the Jazz. King James will drive and dish out to Wally for the 3s. Ben will help James out alot on the boards. West is a better pg than what Cavs has now. Might just work out.
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Wally might actually work out for the Cavs as Kover did for the Jazz. King James will drive and dish out to Wally for the 3s. Ben will help James out alot on the boards. West is a better pg than what Cavs has now. Might just work out.
 
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good trade for cavs and sonics they get cap room the bulls get overrated players
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good trade for cavs and sonics they get cap room the bulls get overrated players
 
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Dont sleep on Joe Smith. He has worked his ass off all year and has been a very solid contributor for the Bulls this year. He was one of the few bright spots on this years team. I hate that they had to give this guy up. Ben Wallace on the other hand wont be missed.
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Dont sleep on Joe Smith. He has worked his ass off all year and has been a very solid contributor for the Bulls this year. He was one of the few bright spots on this years team. I hate that they had to give this guy up. Ben Wallace on the other hand wont be missed.
 
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Are you serious? Delonte West is a 6'4" COMBO guard, think Billups or Kenny Anderson, he can guard a PG or SG. Look what he did just last year and 2 years ago in Boston, he was solid and can run the point and most important play defense.

First off you comparing West to Chauncey is laughable playing with a bunch of scrubs besides Pierce doesn't prove anything. West didnt play D at St.Joes or in boston we must have been watching different games.

Wally doesn't play D, we know this, but we got him to stretch the floor which he can do b/c he shoots at a higher percentage than Hughes. Sasha and Boobie can buckle down on D when D is needed and we can send Wally World back on the bench when D is needed in tight games.

Boobie and sasha are two of our worest defenders so your theory doesnt work there. i agree he stretches the floor no doubt but he cant create his own shot he's not that deadly of a shooter if they wanted another shooter shoulda made a deal with Memphis

Joe Smith plays defense and is a great rebounder and shows up every nite unlike Gooden. He's a consumate professional and will only help this team.

Joe Smith doesn't play D i agree he's a good rebounder who can hit a 15 ft shot. I agree as well that hes a pros pro which Drew was not he spent more time at the strip club than on the court

We didn't get Ben for scoring, we got him for a defensive presence, one we don't have down on the block with Z. You say Ferry made a bad move getting him, well owner Dan Gilbert obviously doesn't care about paying the luxury tax for him .

ben is no help to this team what so ever besides bringing toughness to the cavs


Such a great move and all in all, 24 million in expiring contracts at the end of this season 





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Are you serious? Delonte West is a 6'4" COMBO guard, think Billups or Kenny Anderson, he can guard a PG or SG. Look what he did just last year and 2 years ago in Boston, he was solid and can run the point and most important play defense.

First off you comparing West to Chauncey is laughable playing with a bunch of scrubs besides Pierce doesn't prove anything. West didnt play D at St.Joes or in boston we must have been watching different games.

Wally doesn't play D, we know this, but we got him to stretch the floor which he can do b/c he shoots at a higher percentage than Hughes. Sasha and Boobie can buckle down on D when D is needed and we can send Wally World back on the bench when D is needed in tight games.

Boobie and sasha are two of our worest defenders so your theory doesnt work there. i agree he stretches the floor no doubt but he cant create his own shot he's not that deadly of a shooter if they wanted another shooter shoulda made a deal with Memphis

Joe Smith plays defense and is a great rebounder and shows up every nite unlike Gooden. He's a consumate professional and will only help this team.

Joe Smith doesn't play D i agree he's a good rebounder who can hit a 15 ft shot. I agree as well that hes a pros pro which Drew was not he spent more time at the strip club than on the court

We didn't get Ben for scoring, we got him for a defensive presence, one we don't have down on the block with Z. You say Ferry made a bad move getting him, well owner Dan Gilbert obviously doesn't care about paying the luxury tax for him .

ben is no help to this team what so ever besides bringing toughness to the cavs


Such a great move and all in all, 24 million in expiring contracts at the end of this season 





 
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Quote Originally Posted by Evolvedone:

King James, I really like your input onto this trade.  You seem to know what your talking about and I can responsd by only saying this. 

I know this team inside and out

The points can be picked up by the rest of the team as well as the newcomers.  You still have LBJ leading you.  From my position, the players that Cleveland lost in a trade today haven't put the cavs where they are today.  What you have done today is made your mother fkn MACHINE in LBJ a happy mother firetrucking man.  Wallace is a pure vet and a machine in his day.  He brings a FU attitude and can back his front.  Zerb if healthy is a star no matter his age.  LBJ knows this.  LBJ needs this.  Watch your machine explode in ways that will take his team thru the playoffs and in the finals. 

I understand what your saying about the team picking up the points but you do realize they got rid of two double digit scorers and theyre  best rebounder for a bunch of average players. i agree about Wallace bringing a toughness attitude to the team that they never had. Trust me its a pleasure to watch the best all-around player in the world in Lebron and i hope am wrong and this trade works out. But i just dont see it right now i also agree with you that they didnt lose anything that gotem to this point

I will be looking for teams that can exploit Clevelands weakness on defense and capitlize by hitting these bookies.  Let me know.  IMO
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King James, I really like your input onto this trade.  You seem to know what your talking about and I can responsd by only saying this. 

I know this team inside and out

The points can be picked up by the rest of the team as well as the newcomers.  You still have LBJ leading you.  From my position, the players that Cleveland lost in a trade today haven't put the cavs where they are today.  What you have done today is made your mother fkn MACHINE in LBJ a happy mother firetrucking man.  Wallace is a pure vet and a machine in his day.  He brings a FU attitude and can back his front.  Zerb if healthy is a star no matter his age.  LBJ knows this.  LBJ needs this.  Watch your machine explode in ways that will take his team thru the playoffs and in the finals. 

I understand what your saying about the team picking up the points but you do realize they got rid of two double digit scorers and theyre  best rebounder for a bunch of average players. i agree about Wallace bringing a toughness attitude to the team that they never had. Trust me its a pleasure to watch the best all-around player in the world in Lebron and i hope am wrong and this trade works out. But i just dont see it right now i also agree with you that they didnt lose anything that gotem to this point

I will be looking for teams that can exploit Clevelands weakness on defense and capitlize by hitting these bookies.  Let me know.  IMO
 
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All Cavs did was to add huge cap money and worthless players.  They needed a true PG and instead loaded up on big men, which they already have in two young studs. 
Wally and Delante are useless in the Cavs system, no defense
and you give up Hughes your best off ball defender and all around player.  Terrible for the Cavs!
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All Cavs did was to add huge cap money and worthless players.  They needed a true PG and instead loaded up on big men, which they already have in two young studs. 
Wally and Delante are useless in the Cavs system, no defense
and you give up Hughes your best off ball defender and all around player.  Terrible for the Cavs!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by IGORX:

All Cavs did was to add huge cap money and worthless players.  They needed a true PG and instead loaded up on big men, which they already have in two young studs. 
Wally and Delante are useless in the Cavs system, no defense
and you give up Hughes your best off ball defender and all around player.  Terrible for the Cavs!

 

Dude you should be banned for saying that Hughes was the cavs best all around player and dude Hughes salary was rather large also

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All Cavs did was to add huge cap money and worthless players.  They needed a true PG and instead loaded up on big men, which they already have in two young studs. 
Wally and Delante are useless in the Cavs system, no defense
and you give up Hughes your best off ball defender and all around player.  Terrible for the Cavs!

 

Dude you should be banned for saying that Hughes was the cavs best all around player and dude Hughes salary was rather large also

 
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Ben Wallace went to Chicago for the money man and that was it once they told him he can not wear a headband that was it he lost all faith and just wanted a paycheck and did not have the motivation.  LMAO are you serious Ben was overrated with the Pistons Ive always said it and will continue to Ben wallace was a great help defender in detroit and an average on the ball defender in general Chicago overpaid for a below average playerc IMO. 

West is not all that small.  Hughes is a good defender(will not argue that).  The D is better overall they the presence of a shot blocker that will block it or alter the shot and will rebound the ball in Wallace.  Think about it man Z, Wallace, Anderson on the floor at the same time who the hell is going to out rebound that..  Whos gonna score besides LBJ and Z with that lineup on the floor?? i agree the D might get better because it allows ben to be a help defender as he was in Detroit.

.no one only thing it hurts is LBJ's rebounding average.  Smith can score 10 pts a game just like gooden except smith can do it off the bench.  Wally is the shooter this team could really use...also west is no slouch man he can play D too.  This will create more shots for Z(outside 12-15 footer that he is clutch on) and more time for the ball to be in the hands of LBJ and he will be driving to the hole more in hopes the D collapses and he can kick it out to Z, Gibson and now Wally come on bro with Anderson and wallace crashing the boards to get offensive boards  I agree with everything said here

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Ben Wallace went to Chicago for the money man and that was it once they told him he can not wear a headband that was it he lost all faith and just wanted a paycheck and did not have the motivation.  LMAO are you serious Ben was overrated with the Pistons Ive always said it and will continue to Ben wallace was a great help defender in detroit and an average on the ball defender in general Chicago overpaid for a below average playerc IMO. 

West is not all that small.  Hughes is a good defender(will not argue that).  The D is better overall they the presence of a shot blocker that will block it or alter the shot and will rebound the ball in Wallace.  Think about it man Z, Wallace, Anderson on the floor at the same time who the hell is going to out rebound that..  Whos gonna score besides LBJ and Z with that lineup on the floor?? i agree the D might get better because it allows ben to be a help defender as he was in Detroit.

.no one only thing it hurts is LBJ's rebounding average.  Smith can score 10 pts a game just like gooden except smith can do it off the bench.  Wally is the shooter this team could really use...also west is no slouch man he can play D too.  This will create more shots for Z(outside 12-15 footer that he is clutch on) and more time for the ball to be in the hands of LBJ and he will be driving to the hole more in hopes the D collapses and he can kick it out to Z, Gibson and now Wally come on bro with Anderson and wallace crashing the boards to get offensive boards  I agree with everything said here

 
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He was their best all around defender!

 

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Dude you should be banned for saying that Hughes was the cavs best all around player and dude Hughes salary was rather large also

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He was their best all around defender!

 

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Dude you should be banned for saying that Hughes was the cavs best all around player and dude Hughes salary was rather large also

 
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Quote Originally Posted by HOFCity:

Are you serious? Delonte West is a 6'4" COMBO guard, think Billups or Kenny Anderson, he can guard a PG or SG. Look what he did just last year and 2 years ago in Boston, he was solid and can run the point and most important play defense.

First off you comparing West to Chauncey is laughable playing with a bunch of scrubs besides Pierce doesn't prove anything. West didnt play D at St.Joes or in boston we must have been watching different games.

Wally doesn't play D, we know this, but we got him to stretch the floor which he can do b/c he shoots at a higher percentage than Hughes. Sasha and Boobie can buckle down on D when D is needed and we can send Wally World back on the bench when D is needed in tight games.

Boobie and sasha are two of our worest defenders so your theory doesnt work there. i agree he stretches the floor no doubt but he cant create his own shot he's not that deadly of a shooter if they wanted another shooter shoulda made a deal with Memphis

Joe Smith plays defense and is a great rebounder and shows up every nite unlike Gooden. He's a consumate professional and will only help this team.

Joe Smith doesn't play D i agree he's a good rebounder who can hit a 15 ft shot. I agree as well that hes a pros pro which Drew was not he spent more time at the strip club than on the court

We didn't get Ben for scoring, we got him for a defensive presence, one we don't have down on the block with Z. You say Ferry made a bad move getting him, well owner Dan Gilbert obviously doesn't care about paying the luxury tax for him .

ben is no help to this team what so ever besides bringing toughness to the cavs


Such a great move and all in all, 24 million in expiring contracts at the end of this season 





 

I'm comparing them to show you what a COMBO guard is, no shit he isn't as good as Chauncey.

All of your other claims I won't respond to b/c you have no idea what you're talking about and you're not watching the same games I'm watching.

Go ahead and be the only one who still wishes we had Hughes and Gooden, disgusting.

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Are you serious? Delonte West is a 6'4" COMBO guard, think Billups or Kenny Anderson, he can guard a PG or SG. Look what he did just last year and 2 years ago in Boston, he was solid and can run the point and most important play defense.

First off you comparing West to Chauncey is laughable playing with a bunch of scrubs besides Pierce doesn't prove anything. West didnt play D at St.Joes or in boston we must have been watching different games.

Wally doesn't play D, we know this, but we got him to stretch the floor which he can do b/c he shoots at a higher percentage than Hughes. Sasha and Boobie can buckle down on D when D is needed and we can send Wally World back on the bench when D is needed in tight games.

Boobie and sasha are two of our worest defenders so your theory doesnt work there. i agree he stretches the floor no doubt but he cant create his own shot he's not that deadly of a shooter if they wanted another shooter shoulda made a deal with Memphis

Joe Smith plays defense and is a great rebounder and shows up every nite unlike Gooden. He's a consumate professional and will only help this team.

Joe Smith doesn't play D i agree he's a good rebounder who can hit a 15 ft shot. I agree as well that hes a pros pro which Drew was not he spent more time at the strip club than on the court

We didn't get Ben for scoring, we got him for a defensive presence, one we don't have down on the block with Z. You say Ferry made a bad move getting him, well owner Dan Gilbert obviously doesn't care about paying the luxury tax for him .

ben is no help to this team what so ever besides bringing toughness to the cavs


Such a great move and all in all, 24 million in expiring contracts at the end of this season 





 

I'm comparing them to show you what a COMBO guard is, no shit he isn't as good as Chauncey.

All of your other claims I won't respond to b/c you have no idea what you're talking about and you're not watching the same games I'm watching.

Go ahead and be the only one who still wishes we had Hughes and Gooden, disgusting.

 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by IGORX:

All Cavs did was to add huge cap money and worthless players.  They needed a true PG and instead loaded up on big men, which they already have in two young studs. 
Wally and Delante are useless in the Cavs system, no defense
and you give up Hughes your best off ball defender and all around player.  Terrible for the Cavs!


I agree that a true PG was the most important thing they needed and i truly believe with Andre Miller the Cavs woulda been a legit contender. I also agree about the contracts Hughes was the best off the ball defender along with Newble but step back from the computer you just said Hughes was there best all around player are you drunk he might have been like the 3rd or 4th best player on the cavs
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All Cavs did was to add huge cap money and worthless players.  They needed a true PG and instead loaded up on big men, which they already have in two young studs. 
Wally and Delante are useless in the Cavs system, no defense
and you give up Hughes your best off ball defender and all around player.  Terrible for the Cavs!


I agree that a true PG was the most important thing they needed and i truly believe with Andre Miller the Cavs woulda been a legit contender. I also agree about the contracts Hughes was the best off the ball defender along with Newble but step back from the computer you just said Hughes was there best all around player are you drunk he might have been like the 3rd or 4th best player on the cavs
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