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    Public Bloodbath in Game 7 ( With Looonnng Analysis)

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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2013 - 11:39 AM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by mikebdb:

    100 percent of gamblers lose after a few years of betting any never recover..so your analysis should really say what the public likes or what the so called sharp bettors like there all losers in the long run.....so just keep your bets light if what want to continue betting


    Where did you get this crazy idea?  100% of bettors lose after a few years and never recover WHAT?!?!?!?  Been doing this for years and have been quite successful but staying humble as possible.  We all go through our drawdowns but unless you're an idiot with money management, it can be a very lucrative hobby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikebdb:

    100 percent of gamblers lose after a few years of betting any never recover..so your analysis should really say what the public likes or what the so called sharp bettors like there all losers in the long run.....so just keep your bets light if what want to continue betting


    Where did you get this crazy idea?  100% of bettors lose after a few years and never recover WHAT?!?!?!?  Been doing this for years and have been quite successful but staying humble as possible.  We all go through our drawdowns but unless you're an idiot with money management, it can be a very lucrative hobby.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2013 - 11:54 AM ET #27

    Great write up. 

    I just refuse to believe the Spurs lost the series in game 6.

    You can look at it two ways....

    The Spurs gave it all and still came up short, heart breaking loss, mentally fatigued, championship gone. They will not recover from that defeat and have the odds stacked against them.

    or

    They know it took a miracle shot by Ray and couple of miss free throws to deny their championship.. on that night. They will learn from their mistakes and leave it all out on the court once more for the last time. They will be angry, hungrier and smarter. 

    I still think it's an even fight.

    Miami can prove me wrong and repeat in style but they are flaky.

    GL 

     
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    Great write up. 

    I just refuse to believe the Spurs lost the series in game 6.

    You can look at it two ways....

    The Spurs gave it all and still came up short, heart breaking loss, mentally fatigued, championship gone. They will not recover from that defeat and have the odds stacked against them.

    or

    They know it took a miracle shot by Ray and couple of miss free throws to deny their championship.. on that night. They will learn from their mistakes and leave it all out on the court once more for the last time. They will be angry, hungrier and smarter. 

    I still think it's an even fight.

    Miami can prove me wrong and repeat in style but they are flaky.

    GL 

     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2013 - 11:59 AM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by WickedD:

    Great write up. 

    I just refuse to believe the Spurs lost the series in game 6.

    You can look at it two ways....

    The Spurs gave it all and still came up short, heart breaking loss, mentally fatigued, championship gone. They will not recover from that defeat and have the odds stacked against them.

    or

    They know it took a miracle shot by Ray and couple of miss free throws to deny their championship.. on that night. They will learn from their mistakes and leave it all out on the court once more for the last time. They will be angry, hungrier and smarter. 

    I still think it's an even fight.

    Miami can prove me wrong and repeat in style but they are flaky.

    GL 

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by WickedD:

    Great write up. 

    I just refuse to believe the Spurs lost the series in game 6.

    You can look at it two ways....

    The Spurs gave it all and still came up short, heart breaking loss, mentally fatigued, championship gone. They will not recover from that defeat and have the odds stacked against them.

    or

    They know it took a miracle shot by Ray and couple of miss free throws to deny their championship.. on that night. They will learn from their mistakes and leave it all out on the court once more for the last time. They will be angry, hungrier and smarter. 

    I still think it's an even fight.

    Miami can prove me wrong and repeat in style but they are flaky.

    GL 

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2013 - 12:18 PM ET #29

    I bet $20,000.00 Miami ML  99.9% win
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2013 - 12:31 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by SystemProfits:

    I have been gambling on sports for many years. In every sport over the course of a season there are often a handful of opportunities that present themselves which allow a sharp gambler to take advantage of “public ineptitude”. What is public ineptitude you ask? Public ineptitude is very simple. The average sports gambler gambles for several reasons.  Some of them are action junkies, some enjoy the fun an entertainment aspect and some just have addictions that they simply can’t get away from. Regardless of their reasoning, these types of gamblers are the ones who usually attempt to win money with parleys, teasers, heavy favorites etc. They often chase their losses and have no problem laying chalk in any sport. The problem with this type of gambler is that they don’t have a plan, system or enough money management skills to be successful. The majority of their bets are made with no rhyme or reason and the majority of them rely almost solely on emotion and the perception of what they have recently seen to make their wagers. For example, Team X just blew out Team Y by 20 points. Because of this the average gambler will now be happy to lay -10 on an inflated number during Team X’s next game against Team Z. Bookmakers use the trick of recent perception all the time, often creating attractive lines that easily fool the public into making mistakes and losing money in the process, hence the term public ineptitude.

    So what does all this have to do with Game 7? Over the last 2 games the public has watched the Spurs win a blowout in game 5 and then narrowly lose an overtime game that they should have won if not for a late game miracle three by Ray Allen. Despite this, Vegas came out immediately and laid out a number of Heat -6.5 for Game 7. The line was immediately bet down to -6 by the public who are licking their chops thinking they are getting huge value by betting the Spurs. This has boosted public percentages on the Spurs to astronomical levels rarely seen on underdogs in any game.

    Let’s look at the facts. While I certainly don’t base my bets strictly on public percentages, they can still be a valuable tool to look at in certain situations for handicapping purposes(especially when they are all very similar) Here is a look at some of the more reputable sites that give out public percentages.

    Covers- 75%

    Freesportsbet.com – 72%

    Pregame.com- 74%

    Vegasinsider.com – 72%

     

    As you can see, the public perception of what they just saw over the last 2 games is steering them towards what they perceive as great value in game 7. Realistically, if Vegas thought that this game was going to stay close why would they be offering the overwhelming number of Spurs backers 6 points? Big game public dogs are usually a recipe for disaster and because of that this game has public massacre written all over it.

    While, I am not a huge believer in trends, they can provide value in certain situations and can be especially useful in some of the biggest games of the season where large amount of bets are being made. To further demonstrate my point here are a few things to take note of before placing your bet.

    Game 7’s in the NBA have notoriously favored the home team. Including all playoff rounds in the last 5 years there have been 16 game 7’s played in the NBA playoffs.

     

    In those 16 games the home team is 12-4 SU and 11-5 ATS

    Looking back even further to the last 29 Game 7’s, the home team is 22-7 SU and 19-10 ATS (65.5%)

    Additionally, in the last 6 NBA Finals, Game 7’s the home team is 5-1 SU with the last visiting team win coming all the way back in 1978 when the Washington Bullets knocked off the Seattle Supersonics.

     

    While all these stats and trends don’t guarantee any specific result, for the sake of argument let’s say that based on the dominance of home teams in game 7’s over the years, we agree that the Heat will win this game SU. With this assumption, it gives us an even more defined reason to feel that the +6 simply won’t be enough for Spurs backers. Believe it or not, in some cases betting the dog can be considered the square play. In this case I am very confident that the Spurs are the square play in Game 7.


     

     

     

     

     


    Very good points when it comes to the actual game, but what in the world would you expect the line to be? The lines in Miami have all been in the -6/7 range so lets not start a conspiracy that doesn't exist when it comes to this line. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemProfits:

    I have been gambling on sports for many years. In every sport over the course of a season there are often a handful of opportunities that present themselves which allow a sharp gambler to take advantage of “public ineptitude”. What is public ineptitude you ask? Public ineptitude is very simple. The average sports gambler gambles for several reasons.  Some of them are action junkies, some enjoy the fun an entertainment aspect and some just have addictions that they simply can’t get away from. Regardless of their reasoning, these types of gamblers are the ones who usually attempt to win money with parleys, teasers, heavy favorites etc. They often chase their losses and have no problem laying chalk in any sport. The problem with this type of gambler is that they don’t have a plan, system or enough money management skills to be successful. The majority of their bets are made with no rhyme or reason and the majority of them rely almost solely on emotion and the perception of what they have recently seen to make their wagers. For example, Team X just blew out Team Y by 20 points. Because of this the average gambler will now be happy to lay -10 on an inflated number during Team X’s next game against Team Z. Bookmakers use the trick of recent perception all the time, often creating attractive lines that easily fool the public into making mistakes and losing money in the process, hence the term public ineptitude.

    So what does all this have to do with Game 7? Over the last 2 games the public has watched the Spurs win a blowout in game 5 and then narrowly lose an overtime game that they should have won if not for a late game miracle three by Ray Allen. Despite this, Vegas came out immediately and laid out a number of Heat -6.5 for Game 7. The line was immediately bet down to -6 by the public who are licking their chops thinking they are getting huge value by betting the Spurs. This has boosted public percentages on the Spurs to astronomical levels rarely seen on underdogs in any game.

    Let’s look at the facts. While I certainly don’t base my bets strictly on public percentages, they can still be a valuable tool to look at in certain situations for handicapping purposes(especially when they are all very similar) Here is a look at some of the more reputable sites that give out public percentages.

    Covers- 75%

    Freesportsbet.com – 72%

    Pregame.com- 74%

    Vegasinsider.com – 72%

     

    As you can see, the public perception of what they just saw over the last 2 games is steering them towards what they perceive as great value in game 7. Realistically, if Vegas thought that this game was going to stay close why would they be offering the overwhelming number of Spurs backers 6 points? Big game public dogs are usually a recipe for disaster and because of that this game has public massacre written all over it.

    While, I am not a huge believer in trends, they can provide value in certain situations and can be especially useful in some of the biggest games of the season where large amount of bets are being made. To further demonstrate my point here are a few things to take note of before placing your bet.

    Game 7’s in the NBA have notoriously favored the home team. Including all playoff rounds in the last 5 years there have been 16 game 7’s played in the NBA playoffs.

     

    In those 16 games the home team is 12-4 SU and 11-5 ATS

    Looking back even further to the last 29 Game 7’s, the home team is 22-7 SU and 19-10 ATS (65.5%)

    Additionally, in the last 6 NBA Finals, Game 7’s the home team is 5-1 SU with the last visiting team win coming all the way back in 1978 when the Washington Bullets knocked off the Seattle Supersonics.

     

    While all these stats and trends don’t guarantee any specific result, for the sake of argument let’s say that based on the dominance of home teams in game 7’s over the years, we agree that the Heat will win this game SU. With this assumption, it gives us an even more defined reason to feel that the +6 simply won’t be enough for Spurs backers. Believe it or not, in some cases betting the dog can be considered the square play. In this case I am very confident that the Spurs are the square play in Game 7.


     

     

     

     

     


    Very good points when it comes to the actual game, but what in the world would you expect the line to be? The lines in Miami have all been in the -6/7 range so lets not start a conspiracy that doesn't exist when it comes to this line. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2013 - 12:36 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    The SPURS are the square/public play here? I find that pretty tough to believe, public numbers be damned (I don't really trust them anyways)
    Thank you...at least I know everyone isn't blind to reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    The SPURS are the square/public play here? I find that pretty tough to believe, public numbers be damned (I don't really trust them anyways)
    Thank you...at least I know everyone isn't blind to reality.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2013 - 12:49 PM ET #32

    Think about it... Spurs just played a competitive game six and now they're getting 6.5 points in a close out situation? Any average joe will take the points. heat win in a big way and the party will be in south beach, I mean who parties in San Antonio anyway?
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    Think about it... Spurs just played a competitive game six and now they're getting 6.5 points in a close out situation? Any average joe will take the points. heat win in a big way and the party will be in south beach, I mean who parties in San Antonio anyway?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2013 - 12:51 PM ET #33

    i guess you never been to san antonio
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2013 - 1:02 PM ET #34

    Nope Miami is just more appealing
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2013 - 1:07 PM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by linewatcher:

    Only problem with your analysis is that playoff lines rarely move. What happened to these "public" lines in games 2 and 4? In fact, one could argue that games 2-5 in this series have been "square" bet, since the losing team in the previous game has covered. What I've learned from my experience is to not over think, and just bet the better team in a playoff series, especially in the ending games of a series. The spurs are 4-2 ats thus far. Good luck with your wagers.

    Actually it's funny that you say that because the Public was backing the Spurs in game to at almost 62% and they got blown out. In game 4 they were also backing the Spurs at about 55% and the Heat also won and covered in that game. 

    Guys, please don't take this as a "bet against the public thread". My goal was to point out to you that there are certain situations when the public jumps on a team for whatever reason and it allows the sharps and bookmakers to make a killing off their ignorance. Let me be clear when I say that these opportunities don't happen every day. Quite frankly they are actually pretty rare which is why I am so excited to take advantage of this game tonight. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by linewatcher:

    Only problem with your analysis is that playoff lines rarely move. What happened to these "public" lines in games 2 and 4? In fact, one could argue that games 2-5 in this series have been "square" bet, since the losing team in the previous game has covered. What I've learned from my experience is to not over think, and just bet the better team in a playoff series, especially in the ending games of a series. The spurs are 4-2 ats thus far. Good luck with your wagers.

    Actually it's funny that you say that because the Public was backing the Spurs in game to at almost 62% and they got blown out. In game 4 they were also backing the Spurs at about 55% and the Heat also won and covered in that game. 

    Guys, please don't take this as a "bet against the public thread". My goal was to point out to you that there are certain situations when the public jumps on a team for whatever reason and it allows the sharps and bookmakers to make a killing off their ignorance. Let me be clear when I say that these opportunities don't happen every day. Quite frankly they are actually pretty rare which is why I am so excited to take advantage of this game tonight. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2013 - 1:39 PM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by whisperman:

    Meanwhile you are zero for 2 on large plays in nba and 7 and 9 in bases since you started posting this week..just keeping it real in case anybody considering playing your pick blind tonight...

    You are correct Sir. A couple of late inning blown saves over the past few days and it could definitely be a different story. You are certainly entitled to your own opinion. However if you think that I suck or that I am a fraud I do urge you to go and reread all of the content that I have put out on this forum since day 1. 

    From the beginning I have preached patience, money management and long term consistency goals. Anyone who does this for a living like myself will tell you the same thing. Gambling is a full time grind that offers ups and downs just about every day of the year. 

    I am successful at what I do because I have a plan to follow my system and I stick to it no matter what. That is why I can consistently win in every sport, every year. Give me 55-57% winners for a season and I will take that every year because when it comes to gambling I am a disciplined machine and those percentages will win me money every time. Trust me though, it certainly didn't start out that way. It took years of hard work and numerous failures as a young handicapper before I was finally able to turn things around become successful at this. Now days, I just run the data, make the picks and forget about it.This isn't throwing darts at a dartboard, it is a process and it works. 

    Anyone who is willing to judge someone off an 18 game sample size is probably not cut out to do this long term. Daily handicapping is not about instant gratification, it's about long term success and making money. 

    Good Luck with your plays 
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    Quote Originally Posted by whisperman:

    Meanwhile you are zero for 2 on large plays in nba and 7 and 9 in bases since you started posting this week..just keeping it real in case anybody considering playing your pick blind tonight...

    You are correct Sir. A couple of late inning blown saves over the past few days and it could definitely be a different story. You are certainly entitled to your own opinion. However if you think that I suck or that I am a fraud I do urge you to go and reread all of the content that I have put out on this forum since day 1. 

    From the beginning I have preached patience, money management and long term consistency goals. Anyone who does this for a living like myself will tell you the same thing. Gambling is a full time grind that offers ups and downs just about every day of the year. 

    I am successful at what I do because I have a plan to follow my system and I stick to it no matter what. That is why I can consistently win in every sport, every year. Give me 55-57% winners for a season and I will take that every year because when it comes to gambling I am a disciplined machine and those percentages will win me money every time. Trust me though, it certainly didn't start out that way. It took years of hard work and numerous failures as a young handicapper before I was finally able to turn things around become successful at this. Now days, I just run the data, make the picks and forget about it.This isn't throwing darts at a dartboard, it is a process and it works. 

    Anyone who is willing to judge someone off an 18 game sample size is probably not cut out to do this long term. Daily handicapping is not about instant gratification, it's about long term success and making money. 

    Good Luck with your plays 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2013 - 1:47 PM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by mikebdb:

    100 percent of gamblers lose after a few years of betting any never recover..so your analysis should really say what the public likes or what the so called sharp bettors like there all losers in the long run.....so just keep your bets light if what want to continue betting

    While this may be the case with the majority, It is simply not true for everyone. Go read some material from Mr. Bator or Vanzack and really study the things they say and the information they put out there. People who are successful at this have a different mentality and a different approach. Unfortunately your 100 percent number is slightly off. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikebdb:

    100 percent of gamblers lose after a few years of betting any never recover..so your analysis should really say what the public likes or what the so called sharp bettors like there all losers in the long run.....so just keep your bets light if what want to continue betting

    While this may be the case with the majority, It is simply not true for everyone. Go read some material from Mr. Bator or Vanzack and really study the things they say and the information they put out there. People who are successful at this have a different mentality and a different approach. Unfortunately your 100 percent number is slightly off. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2013 - 2:21 PM ET #38

    Quote Originally Posted by door54:

    Well written piece, you've certainly  presented  what every Miami backer wants to hear...lol

    The paragraph that starts with "In those 16 games..." shows irrifutable evidence how powerful the home court game 7 advantage is. It also shows that it is not absolute.

    The undermining characteristic of your piece however is the bias shown when you gave Miami the edge in experience. Three staight finals appearences is certainly noteworthy, but one has to look at the fruit that that it bore.

    No Rings....Rings....Pending   VS.   San Antonio's Ring count of 4-0 with the same core group of players?  You TILTED out on that.

    Finally, three decades of coaching (on and off) and several championships later I learned a great many things regarding talent and teamwork. Superior talent is a blessing. Superior teamwork is earned. I've had both types of teams and I found that when confidence slips in a superior player, that team can suffer dire consequence. When a great team suffers, it self supports and self corrects.

    I think we are in for an epic game.  BUT....... check does NOT mean checkmate. My money HAS to be on Coach Pop and San Antonio early in this game.

     My favorite team?

     Whoever covers the spread

     

    Are we talking about the same aging "core group" of Parker, Duncan and Ginobli who hasn't been to the finals since 2007? Outside of those 3 players, Matt Boner is the only player on the team who played on that 2006-2007 team. (Playing 2.8 minutes per game in the playoffs by the way)

    Meanwhile, The Heat have played in 3 consecutive NBA finals. In fact if you look at the starting lineups for both teams the Heat have a combined 18 NBA finals appearances and 7 rings while the Spurs have 13 Finals appearances and 10 rings (All from Duncan, Parker and Ginobli.) This isn't even counting the Heats bench with the likes of Ray Allen, Mike Miller, and Shane Battier who have a combined 7 Finals appearances and 3 Rings. 

    If you want to argue that Pop is better then Spoelstra then you won't get any fight from me. But the point is, while nobody is trying to dispute the success that SA's core had while in their prime, The current success and recent finals appearances of the Heat is enough in my book to give them a slight edge in the experience category.  


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    Well written piece, you've certainly  presented  what every Miami backer wants to hear...lol

    The paragraph that starts with "In those 16 games..." shows irrifutable evidence how powerful the home court game 7 advantage is. It also shows that it is not absolute.

    The undermining characteristic of your piece however is the bias shown when you gave Miami the edge in experience. Three staight finals appearences is certainly noteworthy, but one has to look at the fruit that that it bore.

    No Rings....Rings....Pending   VS.   San Antonio's Ring count of 4-0 with the same core group of players?  You TILTED out on that.

    Finally, three decades of coaching (on and off) and several championships later I learned a great many things regarding talent and teamwork. Superior talent is a blessing. Superior teamwork is earned. I've had both types of teams and I found that when confidence slips in a superior player, that team can suffer dire consequence. When a great team suffers, it self supports and self corrects.

    I think we are in for an epic game.  BUT....... check does NOT mean checkmate. My money HAS to be on Coach Pop and San Antonio early in this game.

     My favorite team?

     Whoever covers the spread

     

    Are we talking about the same aging "core group" of Parker, Duncan and Ginobli who hasn't been to the finals since 2007? Outside of those 3 players, Matt Boner is the only player on the team who played on that 2006-2007 team. (Playing 2.8 minutes per game in the playoffs by the way)

    Meanwhile, The Heat have played in 3 consecutive NBA finals. In fact if you look at the starting lineups for both teams the Heat have a combined 18 NBA finals appearances and 7 rings while the Spurs have 13 Finals appearances and 10 rings (All from Duncan, Parker and Ginobli.) This isn't even counting the Heats bench with the likes of Ray Allen, Mike Miller, and Shane Battier who have a combined 7 Finals appearances and 3 Rings. 

    If you want to argue that Pop is better then Spoelstra then you won't get any fight from me. But the point is, while nobody is trying to dispute the success that SA's core had while in their prime, The current success and recent finals appearances of the Heat is enough in my book to give them a slight edge in the experience category.  


     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2013 - 2:24 PM ET #39

    Quote Originally Posted by JonnyTwoTime:

    lol. Another one of these I'm going against the public..and taking the Heat.

    Please review post 35. Good Luck Sir 
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    lol. Another one of these I'm going against the public..and taking the Heat.

    Please review post 35. Good Luck Sir 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2013 - 2:28 PM ET #40

    Quote Originally Posted by RareBreedz:

    Think about it... Spurs just played a competitive game six and now they're getting 6.5 points in a close out situation? Any average joe will take the points. heat win in a big way and the party will be in south beach, I mean who parties in San Antonio anyway?

     

    What an entertaining thread. 

    Approximately 1.4 million people would be "partying" in San Antonio vs. 409k in Miami.  We are comparing the 7th largest city in the country to the 44th.  In sum, the "party theory" may not be the best angle to pursue here. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by RareBreedz:

    Think about it... Spurs just played a competitive game six and now they're getting 6.5 points in a close out situation? Any average joe will take the points. heat win in a big way and the party will be in south beach, I mean who parties in San Antonio anyway?

     

    What an entertaining thread. 

    Approximately 1.4 million people would be "partying" in San Antonio vs. 409k in Miami.  We are comparing the 7th largest city in the country to the 44th.  In sum, the "party theory" may not be the best angle to pursue here. 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2013 - 2:33 PM ET #41

    Quote Originally Posted by WickedD:

    Great write up. 

    I just refuse to believe the Spurs lost the series in game 6.

    You can look at it two ways....

    The Spurs gave it all and still came up short, heart breaking loss, mentally fatigued, championship gone. They will not recover from that defeat and have the odds stacked against them.

    or

    They know it took a miracle shot by Ray and couple of miss free throws to deny their championship.. on that night. They will learn from their mistakes and leave it all out on the court once more for the last time. They will be angry, hungrier and smarter. 

    I still think it's an even fight.

    Miami can prove me wrong and repeat in style but they are flaky.

    GL 

     

    Very good analysis. And you could very well be right. The Heat have been very inconsistent in certain situations during these playoffs and a veteran team like the Spurs could absolutely win tonight. 

    Personally I just see the focus from Lebron and company being too much for a worn down Spurs team to handle. Remember the Indiana series game 7. When the Heat are focused there isn't a team in the world that can beat them which is the situation I am seeing tonight. 

    I do want to say that I urge everyone to handicap this game on their own and see what they come up with. There is a lot of information and film out there to study and when wagering your own money you should always be confident in who you decide to play. 

    Good Luck Wicked 
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    Quote Originally Posted by WickedD:

    Great write up. 

    I just refuse to believe the Spurs lost the series in game 6.

    You can look at it two ways....

    The Spurs gave it all and still came up short, heart breaking loss, mentally fatigued, championship gone. They will not recover from that defeat and have the odds stacked against them.

    or

    They know it took a miracle shot by Ray and couple of miss free throws to deny their championship.. on that night. They will learn from their mistakes and leave it all out on the court once more for the last time. They will be angry, hungrier and smarter. 

    I still think it's an even fight.

    Miami can prove me wrong and repeat in style but they are flaky.

    GL 

     

    Very good analysis. And you could very well be right. The Heat have been very inconsistent in certain situations during these playoffs and a veteran team like the Spurs could absolutely win tonight. 

    Personally I just see the focus from Lebron and company being too much for a worn down Spurs team to handle. Remember the Indiana series game 7. When the Heat are focused there isn't a team in the world that can beat them which is the situation I am seeing tonight. 

    I do want to say that I urge everyone to handicap this game on their own and see what they come up with. There is a lot of information and film out there to study and when wagering your own money you should always be confident in who you decide to play. 

    Good Luck Wicked 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2013 - 2:34 PM ET #42

    If you think more people are taking the spurs your absolutely delusional.  No road team has ever won game 7 on road with 2-3-2 format and last road team to win game 7 was 1978. Dream on man.  One of the main reasons why the line is a little lower is so people that bet the heat in the series can't take the spurs +7 or so for a middle. 
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    If you think more people are taking the spurs your absolutely delusional.  No road team has ever won game 7 on road with 2-3-2 format and last road team to win game 7 was 1978. Dream on man.  One of the main reasons why the line is a little lower is so people that bet the heat in the series can't take the spurs +7 or so for a middle. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2013 - 2:35 PM ET #43

    Most of the bets coming into Vegas are heat bets 
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2013 - 2:37 PM ET #44

    Spurs are exhausted.  How bout the heat are exhausted.  Back to back 7 game series takes a toll on you. Spurs swept Memphis and that rest will mean something in this game. 
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    Spurs are exhausted.  How bout the heat are exhausted.  Back to back 7 game series takes a toll on you. Spurs swept Memphis and that rest will mean something in this game. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2013 - 2:42 PM ET #45

    Quote Originally Posted by tonyrome:

    i dont care what stats you see, the public is on Heat.

     

    100% AGREE.... BOTH PUBLIC AND THOSE RICH DEGENERATE GAMBLERS LIKE BARKLEY AND THE REST OF THEM WILL BE ON HEAT WITHOUT A DOUBT THATS THE WHOLE PERCEPTION HERE WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WILL PUT MILIONS ON SPURS... ONLY THOSE OF US WHO CAN TELL THE ANGLE HERE.... FORGET CONSESUS THATS garbage MEANS NOTHING HEAVY MONEY WILL BE ON HEAT TRUST ME THAT BOYS.... I ASKED ABOUT A 100 PEOPLE LAST 2 DAYS WHO DO YOU THINK WILL WIN GAME 7 AND 100 OF THEM SAID MIAMI IN A BLOWOUT :) FORGET CONSESUS FOCUS ON REALITY MONEY WILL BE ON MIAMI....  SPURS +6.5 TAKE IT TO THE BANK

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyrome:

    i dont care what stats you see, the public is on Heat.

     

    100% AGREE.... BOTH PUBLIC AND THOSE RICH DEGENERATE GAMBLERS LIKE BARKLEY AND THE REST OF THEM WILL BE ON HEAT WITHOUT A DOUBT THATS THE WHOLE PERCEPTION HERE WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WILL PUT MILIONS ON SPURS... ONLY THOSE OF US WHO CAN TELL THE ANGLE HERE.... FORGET CONSESUS THATS garbage MEANS NOTHING HEAVY MONEY WILL BE ON HEAT TRUST ME THAT BOYS.... I ASKED ABOUT A 100 PEOPLE LAST 2 DAYS WHO DO YOU THINK WILL WIN GAME 7 AND 100 OF THEM SAID MIAMI IN A BLOWOUT :) FORGET CONSESUS FOCUS ON REALITY MONEY WILL BE ON MIAMI....  SPURS +6.5 TAKE IT TO THE BANK

     
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    Have you also taken into account the ailing d-wade? IMHO, his injury is more of a concern than that of tony parkers. If you throw out all the public and sharp mumbo jumbo what do you have? Yes, historically, the home teams perform better but as to be expected am I correct? The spurs are 8-2 ATS on the road these playoffs, and they really havnt played a "bad" game on the road in this series. Even in the blowout, they were close going late into the third quarter. I believe underlining factors will speak volumes this game, I believe the defensive intensity of the spurs will be turned up to max tonight, couple that with an ailing wade and an unproductive bosh, I think the spurs can definetely win this game tonight. If the spurs run the O thru duncan as they did last game, I think they'll come out with another NBA championship. BOL
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    Have you also taken into account the ailing d-wade? IMHO, his injury is more of a concern than that of tony parkers. If you throw out all the public and sharp mumbo jumbo what do you have? Yes, historically, the home teams perform better but as to be expected am I correct? The spurs are 8-2 ATS on the road these playoffs, and they really havnt played a "bad" game on the road in this series. Even in the blowout, they were close going late into the third quarter. I believe underlining factors will speak volumes this game, I believe the defensive intensity of the spurs will be turned up to max tonight, couple that with an ailing wade and an unproductive bosh, I think the spurs can definetely win this game tonight. If the spurs run the O thru duncan as they did last game, I think they'll come out with another NBA championship. BOL
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2013 - 2:47 PM ET #47

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeKnowbody:

    If you think more people are taking the spurs your absolutely delusional.  No road team has ever won game 7 on road with 2-3-2 format and last road team to win game 7 was 1978. Dream on man.  One of the main reasons why the line is a little lower is so people that bet the heat in the series can't take the spurs +7 or so for a middle. 


    I suggest you do your homework before making that argument

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    Record Consensus Odds
    SA 713 3-3 (1-2 V) 73% 188
    MIA 714 3-3 (2-1 H) 27% -5.5


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    SAS  714  https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/teams/team-page.cfm/team/heat  -6.5    -6    -6    -5.5    33%  29%  39%

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    If you think more people are taking the spurs your absolutely delusional.  No road team has ever won game 7 on road with 2-3-2 format and last road team to win game 7 was 1978. Dream on man.  One of the main reasons why the line is a little lower is so people that bet the heat in the series can't take the spurs +7 or so for a middle. 


    I suggest you do your homework before making that argument

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    Record Consensus Odds
    SA 713 3-3 (1-2 V) 73% 188
    MIA 714 3-3 (2-1 H) 27% -5.5


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    SAS  714  https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/teams/team-page.cfm/team/heat  -6.5    -6    -6    -5.5    33%  29%  39%

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemProfits:

    In addition to all the stats, trends, percentages and probability that we already discussed, there are also several other things to consider when handicapping this game. Motivation, Effort, Experience, Confidence, Health, Conditioning and Talent are all important factors in determining who will be the next NBA champion. First we look at the obvious. Motivation and effort should be at a maximum for both teams. Experience is also a push because of the fact that both teams have numerous players with championship experience(Although an argument could be made that the Heat have more experience due to their 3 straight finals appearances).

    That leaves Confidence, Health, Conditioning and Talent as the four remaining factors. In my estimation, all 4 of these categories go to the Heat. After a demoralizing loss for the Spurs and a huge comeback for the Heat, these teams are on opposite ends of the confidence scale. So much so that it caused Manu Ginobli to claim he was “devastated” and that he had “no clue” how they would get reenergized as a team. Those quotes are huge and speak volumes to the type of mindset that the Spurs are in right now. Whether or not any of the other players are stating this publically, there is no way that anyone on that team can be fully confident after coming that close to the championship and then collapsing with seconds to go.

    Health and Conditioning both go to the Heat as well. Despite Tim Duncan’s historic career, Tony Parker is currently the best player on the Spurs. Tony Parker is also not healthy. While he is certainly proving his toughness by gutting it out, he is not at 100% and that is HUGE. You can make the argument that Dwayne Wade is equally or more injured than Parker but there is one major flaw in the argument. While Wade is certainly a valuable member of the team, he is not their best player. Luckily for Heat they happen to have the best player in the world on their team along with the greatest 3 point shooter in NBA history, thus giving them a significant edge. Conditioning also goes to the Heat and was very obvious in Game 6. Popovich had to rest all 3 of the Spurs big three for stretches during that game. Even if Duncan can give you 40 minutes, age and stamina will be a factor for the Spurs late in this game.

    Finally I will leave you with this. After everything else is done and all the other stats, interviews, media reports and pre game garbage is out of the way, it will come down to talent. Simply put, the Heat have more of it. While the Spurs might have better continuity as a team, in a 1 game do or die scenario, talent will outweigh anything else and will be the difference. LeBron James is too good, too motivated and too focused to let this game slip away and the Miami Heat are a team of destiny which was already proven by the late game heroics of game 6.  The Heat will get it done tomorrow night and they will do it in dominating double digit fashion. I apologize for the long winded analysis but this is game 7 and I had a lot to say. Hopefully this was beneficial to at least a few people who read it.

     

    Miami Heat -6 (5 units)

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemProfits:

    In addition to all the stats, trends, percentages and probability that we already discussed, there are also several other things to consider when handicapping this game. Motivation, Effort, Experience, Confidence, Health, Conditioning and Talent are all important factors in determining who will be the next NBA champion. First we look at the obvious. Motivation and effort should be at a maximum for both teams. Experience is also a push because of the fact that both teams have numerous players with championship experience(Although an argument could be made that the Heat have more experience due to their 3 straight finals appearances).

    That leaves Confidence, Health, Conditioning and Talent as the four remaining factors. In my estimation, all 4 of these categories go to the Heat. After a demoralizing loss for the Spurs and a huge comeback for the Heat, these teams are on opposite ends of the confidence scale. So much so that it caused Manu Ginobli to claim he was “devastated” and that he had “no clue” how they would get reenergized as a team. Those quotes are huge and speak volumes to the type of mindset that the Spurs are in right now. Whether or not any of the other players are stating this publically, there is no way that anyone on that team can be fully confident after coming that close to the championship and then collapsing with seconds to go.

    Health and Conditioning both go to the Heat as well. Despite Tim Duncan’s historic career, Tony Parker is currently the best player on the Spurs. Tony Parker is also not healthy. While he is certainly proving his toughness by gutting it out, he is not at 100% and that is HUGE. You can make the argument that Dwayne Wade is equally or more injured than Parker but there is one major flaw in the argument. While Wade is certainly a valuable member of the team, he is not their best player. Luckily for Heat they happen to have the best player in the world on their team along with the greatest 3 point shooter in NBA history, thus giving them a significant edge. Conditioning also goes to the Heat and was very obvious in Game 6. Popovich had to rest all 3 of the Spurs big three for stretches during that game. Even if Duncan can give you 40 minutes, age and stamina will be a factor for the Spurs late in this game.

    Finally I will leave you with this. After everything else is done and all the other stats, interviews, media reports and pre game garbage is out of the way, it will come down to talent. Simply put, the Heat have more of it. While the Spurs might have better continuity as a team, in a 1 game do or die scenario, talent will outweigh anything else and will be the difference. LeBron James is too good, too motivated and too focused to let this game slip away and the Miami Heat are a team of destiny which was already proven by the late game heroics of game 6.  The Heat will get it done tomorrow night and they will do it in dominating double digit fashion. I apologize for the long winded analysis but this is game 7 and I had a lot to say. Hopefully this was beneficial to at least a few people who read it.

     

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    You obviously learned nothing during those years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philll4205:

    Have you also taken into account the ailing d-wade? IMHO, his injury is more of a concern than that of tony parkers. If you throw out all the public and sharp mumbo jumbo what do you have? Yes, historically, the home teams perform better but as to be expected am I correct? The spurs are 8-2 ATS on the road these playoffs, and they really havnt played a "bad" game on the road in this series. Even in the blowout, they were close going late into the third quarter. I believe underlining factors will speak volumes this game, I believe the defensive intensity of the spurs will be turned up to max tonight, couple that with an ailing wade and an unproductive bosh, I think the spurs can definetely win this game tonight. If the spurs run the O thru duncan as they did last game, I think they'll come out with another NBA championship. BOL

    Duncan gave EVERYTHING he had last game. 30 pts and 17 boards. He left it all on the floor. That was the Spurs chance to get it done and they didn't. The Spurs offense runs through Tony Parker. The Heat's offense runs through Lebron not D-Wade. I have to say that an ailing Parker is a bigger loss than hurt Wade. Spurs will need huge games out Ginobli (Still hasn't shown up this series) and Danny Green who has never played in a road game with this much pressure in is life. 

    If the Spurs shoot over 50% for the game and the 3's are dropping then they will probably end up winning. Personally I just don't see it happening.  
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    Have you also taken into account the ailing d-wade? IMHO, his injury is more of a concern than that of tony parkers. If you throw out all the public and sharp mumbo jumbo what do you have? Yes, historically, the home teams perform better but as to be expected am I correct? The spurs are 8-2 ATS on the road these playoffs, and they really havnt played a "bad" game on the road in this series. Even in the blowout, they were close going late into the third quarter. I believe underlining factors will speak volumes this game, I believe the defensive intensity of the spurs will be turned up to max tonight, couple that with an ailing wade and an unproductive bosh, I think the spurs can definetely win this game tonight. If the spurs run the O thru duncan as they did last game, I think they'll come out with another NBA championship. BOL

    Duncan gave EVERYTHING he had last game. 30 pts and 17 boards. He left it all on the floor. That was the Spurs chance to get it done and they didn't. The Spurs offense runs through Tony Parker. The Heat's offense runs through Lebron not D-Wade. I have to say that an ailing Parker is a bigger loss than hurt Wade. Spurs will need huge games out Ginobli (Still hasn't shown up this series) and Danny Green who has never played in a road game with this much pressure in is life. 

    If the Spurs shoot over 50% for the game and the 3's are dropping then they will probably end up winning. Personally I just don't see it happening.  
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