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    cougs1987
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 3:08 PM ET #26

    dmitean -I remember taking over on the Bos home game against LAL and they went overtime and it's under...so this time at Lakers I took the under and got burned.   but just the last few games scores have been up.

     

    mmeiselman731 I used last 5 with covers.com

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    dmitean -I remember taking over on the Bos home game against LAL and they went overtime and it's under...so this time at Lakers I took the under and got burned.   but just the last few games scores have been up.

     

    mmeiselman731 I used last 5 with covers.com

     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 3:10 PM ET #27

    love the over clippers play..   good luck all!!!
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    love the over clippers play..   good luck all!!!
     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 3:16 PM ET #28

    Looks like u adjusted your system for today's lines because they have been way off the last couple of days. Didn't want to say anything negative and spread hate. Also sent u a friend request.
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    Looks like u adjusted your system for today's lines because they have been way off the last couple of days. Didn't want to say anything negative and spread hate. Also sent u a friend request.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 4:02 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by dmitean:

    Boston in B2B has really strong Under tendency. Wouldn't go near that to be honest.
    Good luck!

    I wouldn't disagree with this statement, but I still think OVER is the way to go tonight. Since the All-Star break, Boston has a 6-2 record in favor of the over. One of those under plays, however, as you've suggested, came on the second leg of their only back to back. I'm going to count on the fact that Boston didn't have to do any traveling to help out a bit on the energy level tonight. The Clippers have also gone over this total (186.5) seven of their eight games since the All-Star break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmitean:

    Boston in B2B has really strong Under tendency. Wouldn't go near that to be honest.
    Good luck!

    I wouldn't disagree with this statement, but I still think OVER is the way to go tonight. Since the All-Star break, Boston has a 6-2 record in favor of the over. One of those under plays, however, as you've suggested, came on the second leg of their only back to back. I'm going to count on the fact that Boston didn't have to do any traveling to help out a bit on the energy level tonight. The Clippers have also gone over this total (186.5) seven of their eight games since the All-Star break.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 4:03 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by MaxMillion:

    Looks like u adjusted your system for today's lines because they have been way off the last couple of days. Didn't want to say anything negative and spread hate. Also sent u a friend request.

    Unlike a lot of people on this board, I appreciate constructive criticism. I've seen plenty of people on here talk about tailing me and losing, but there's only so much I can do. Had the same people been following me since Game 1, they'd be up quite a bit. If you see or think of anything you think could help adjust this system to the changing pace of the second half, I'd love to hear it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxMillion:

    Looks like u adjusted your system for today's lines because they have been way off the last couple of days. Didn't want to say anything negative and spread hate. Also sent u a friend request.

    Unlike a lot of people on this board, I appreciate constructive criticism. I've seen plenty of people on here talk about tailing me and losing, but there's only so much I can do. Had the same people been following me since Game 1, they'd be up quite a bit. If you see or think of anything you think could help adjust this system to the changing pace of the second half, I'd love to hear it.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 4:04 PM ET #31

    bailing on New Orleans vs. Charlotte OVER, the two worst offensive teams in the NBA...
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    bailing on New Orleans vs. Charlotte OVER, the two worst offensive teams in the NBA...
     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 4:17 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by cougs1987:

    bailing on New Orleans vs. Charlotte OVER, the two worst offensive teams in the NBA...

    There are several reasons I like this play tonight:

    (1) Just looking at the average PPG on offense and defense, you'd be looking at a total of approximately 187.0.

    (2) Both of these teams give up a lot of assist relative to how many turnovers they force, which to me means few wasted possessions for the offenses.

    (3) New Orleans is averaging 187.0 total points per game since the AS break; Charlotte is at 190.0.

    (4) The only thing worse than the two offenses we'll see on the court tonight are the defenses. Both defenses are giving up over 5% eFG compared to what the offenses normally shoot. If the offenses play so poorly normally and can still average the totals listed above, I'd imagine scoring to only increase from what we've seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cougs1987:

    bailing on New Orleans vs. Charlotte OVER, the two worst offensive teams in the NBA...

    There are several reasons I like this play tonight:

    (1) Just looking at the average PPG on offense and defense, you'd be looking at a total of approximately 187.0.

    (2) Both of these teams give up a lot of assist relative to how many turnovers they force, which to me means few wasted possessions for the offenses.

    (3) New Orleans is averaging 187.0 total points per game since the AS break; Charlotte is at 190.0.

    (4) The only thing worse than the two offenses we'll see on the court tonight are the defenses. Both defenses are giving up over 5% eFG compared to what the offenses normally shoot. If the offenses play so poorly normally and can still average the totals listed above, I'd imagine scoring to only increase from what we've seen.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 4:23 PM ET #33

    Does your system use the following data from Hollinger's Team Statistics on ESPN. Another aspect to input data into the system for analysis.
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    Does your system use the following data from Hollinger's Team Statistics on ESPN. Another aspect to input data into the system for analysis.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 4:26 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by MaxMillion:

    Does your system use the following data from Hollinger's Team Statistics on ESPN. Another aspect to input data into the system for analysis.

    I've heard of that information before, but I've never looked at it. I prefer to use hard data; not some analysis that gives the talking-heads at ESPN something to argue about. But, if there is some useful stuff in there, point me in the direction and I'd love to give it a look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxMillion:

    Does your system use the following data from Hollinger's Team Statistics on ESPN. Another aspect to input data into the system for analysis.

    I've heard of that information before, but I've never looked at it. I prefer to use hard data; not some analysis that gives the talking-heads at ESPN something to argue about. But, if there is some useful stuff in there, point me in the direction and I'd love to give it a look.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 4:35 PM ET #35

    Your not working for the books? This is useful info That will be very beneficial I feel towards getting a good read on totals which u like to play.
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    Your not working for the books? This is useful info That will be very beneficial I feel towards getting a good read on totals which u like to play.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 4:39 PM ET #36

    rlawson - mentioned this late yesterday in your post not sure if you saw, I put together a excel file with all your projects / lines and actual results for your picks since mid jan. If you'd like a copy of it send me a message with your email and I can send it along. Glad to see you've adjusted your data, hopefully the great results of the past month keep coming!
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    rlawson - mentioned this late yesterday in your post not sure if you saw, I put together a excel file with all your projects / lines and actual results for your picks since mid jan. If you'd like a copy of it send me a message with your email and I can send it along. Glad to see you've adjusted your data, hopefully the great results of the past month keep coming!
     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 4:46 PM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by MaxMillion:

    Your not working for the books? This is useful info That will be very beneficial I feel towards getting a good read on totals which u like to play.

    Which of these stats would you look at specifically? Using Charlotte as an example, they are last in Offensive Efficiency and 2nd to last in Defensive Efficiency. New Orleans, on the other hand, is 27th in OE while ranked 20th in DE. What do the numbers (New Orleans OE = 96.8, DE = 102.8) mean relative to the projected total for the game?

    And no I'm not working for the books - I'm not sure that they're too concerned that I just upped my unit size from $10 to $20 a couple of weeks ago :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxMillion:

    Your not working for the books? This is useful info That will be very beneficial I feel towards getting a good read on totals which u like to play.

    Which of these stats would you look at specifically? Using Charlotte as an example, they are last in Offensive Efficiency and 2nd to last in Defensive Efficiency. New Orleans, on the other hand, is 27th in OE while ranked 20th in DE. What do the numbers (New Orleans OE = 96.8, DE = 102.8) mean relative to the projected total for the game?

    And no I'm not working for the books - I'm not sure that they're too concerned that I just upped my unit size from $10 to $20 a couple of weeks ago :)

     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 4:48 PM ET #38

    Quote Originally Posted by phillyryder:

    rlawson - mentioned this late yesterday in your post not sure if you saw, I put together a excel file with all your projects / lines and actual results for your picks since mid jan. If you'd like a copy of it send me a message with your email and I can send it along. Glad to see you've adjusted your data, hopefully the great results of the past month keep coming!

    Done. Thanks for putting that info together - hopefully something positive can come out of it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyryder:

    rlawson - mentioned this late yesterday in your post not sure if you saw, I put together a excel file with all your projects / lines and actual results for your picks since mid jan. If you'd like a copy of it send me a message with your email and I can send it along. Glad to see you've adjusted your data, hopefully the great results of the past month keep coming!

    Done. Thanks for putting that info together - hopefully something positive can come out of it!

     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 5:05 PM ET #39

    42 games played within 3/7/12-3/11/12 and 28 went over...no doubts trend is changed to over... what do you think gents?
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    42 games played within 3/7/12-3/11/12 and 28 went over...no doubts trend is changed to over... what do you think gents?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 5:07 PM ET #40

    **Line for LAC/BOS has moved to 185.5**
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    **Line for LAC/BOS has moved to 185.5**
     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 5:08 PM ET #41

    Quote Originally Posted by upeter_29:

    42 games played within 3/7/12-3/11/12 and 28 went over...no doubts trend is changed to over... what do you think gents?

    Eventually the lines will start reflecting this, I just hope I didn't wait too long to start incorporating the new data into my numbers. Early in the year, it seemed like UNDERS was the way to go. Perhaps all of the OVERS the second half of the season is nature's way of balancing things out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upeter_29:

    42 games played within 3/7/12-3/11/12 and 28 went over...no doubts trend is changed to over... what do you think gents?

    Eventually the lines will start reflecting this, I just hope I didn't wait too long to start incorporating the new data into my numbers. Early in the year, it seemed like UNDERS was the way to go. Perhaps all of the OVERS the second half of the season is nature's way of balancing things out.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 5:16 PM ET #42

    Quote Originally Posted by rlawson:

    FINAL PLAYS:

    LA Clippers vs. Boston OVER 186.5 (2 units)

    New Orleans vs. Charlotte OVER 182.5 (3 units)

    That will be it for the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rlawson:

    FINAL PLAYS:

    LA Clippers vs. Boston OVER 186.5 (2 units)

    New Orleans vs. Charlotte OVER 182.5 (3 units)

    That will be it for the day.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 5:25 PM ET #43

    Hey rlawson,

    I started following your thread at some point in early february since you and I pretty much do the same thing - betting on totals everyday based on our own system. Obviously you have been doing great overall like your record indicates but I just wanted to get out a word of advice.
    Please don't take this negatively since I don't want to sound like I have all the experience in the world.

    Your last few days haven't been too pretty and you changed your system. Although I really like your change and my system also takes recent games into account you have to be careful with adjusting your system because of a few losing days. Most of the times I changed my system after losing days it got worse.

    You probably know this already but I just felt like trying to contribute to your awesome daily threads.

    I really do respect you not only because your posting winning picks for some time now but also because you managed to keep trolls, flamers, haters whatever you want to call them out of your threads.

    Best of luck today
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    Hey rlawson,

    I started following your thread at some point in early february since you and I pretty much do the same thing - betting on totals everyday based on our own system. Obviously you have been doing great overall like your record indicates but I just wanted to get out a word of advice.
    Please don't take this negatively since I don't want to sound like I have all the experience in the world.

    Your last few days haven't been too pretty and you changed your system. Although I really like your change and my system also takes recent games into account you have to be careful with adjusting your system because of a few losing days. Most of the times I changed my system after losing days it got worse.

    You probably know this already but I just felt like trying to contribute to your awesome daily threads.

    I really do respect you not only because your posting winning picks for some time now but also because you managed to keep trolls, flamers, haters whatever you want to call them out of your threads.

    Best of luck today
     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 5:27 PM ET #44

    Nice picks RL lets get this today my friend. I will be making some plays in the March Madness and will look to see if you have any. Good Luck

    Turtle 

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    Nice picks RL lets get this today my friend. I will be making some plays in the March Madness and will look to see if you have any. Good Luck

    Turtle 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 5:33 PM ET #45

    Quote Originally Posted by TotalsTown:

    Hey rlawson,

    I started following your thread at some point in early february since you and I pretty much do the same thing - betting on totals everyday based on our own system. Obviously you have been doing great overall like your record indicates but I just wanted to get out a word of advice.
    Please don't take this negatively since I don't want to sound like I have all the experience in the world.

    Your last few days haven't been too pretty and you changed your system. Although I really like your change and my system also takes recent games into account you have to be careful with adjusting your system because of a few losing days. Most of the times I changed my system after losing days it got worse.

    You probably know this already but I just felt like trying to contribute to your awesome daily threads.

    I really do respect you not only because your posting winning picks for some time now but also because you managed to keep trolls, flamers, haters whatever you want to call them out of your threads.

    Best of luck today

    I understand what you're saying 100%. I was nervous about changing anything too much, however, I feel like this change isn't necesarilly BECAUSE of the losing days. The change I'm making, IMO, could have been helpful the entire time I've been using it because it incorporates not only season-long trends, but also recent ones. As far as the data I've been using (and will continue to use), I haven't changed it one bit. I appreciate your concern and it has for sure crossed my mind. I feel minor tweaking to the systme is necessary to keep up with the change-in-pace we've seen over the last few weeks.

    As far as keeping trolls, etc. out of my threads, I feel that I've been lucky to have attracted not only a MATURE audience, but also a REALISTIC audience. There are comments that people are upset about losing - but why wouldn't they be? Instead of egging those people on like some people do in these threads, I just say "yeah, that sucks," because it does. I'm betting these games just like my followers are. I attribute the information exchanged and the mature tone in my threads to the contributors, not just the person that started the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalsTown:

    Hey rlawson,

    I started following your thread at some point in early february since you and I pretty much do the same thing - betting on totals everyday based on our own system. Obviously you have been doing great overall like your record indicates but I just wanted to get out a word of advice.
    Please don't take this negatively since I don't want to sound like I have all the experience in the world.

    Your last few days haven't been too pretty and you changed your system. Although I really like your change and my system also takes recent games into account you have to be careful with adjusting your system because of a few losing days. Most of the times I changed my system after losing days it got worse.

    You probably know this already but I just felt like trying to contribute to your awesome daily threads.

    I really do respect you not only because your posting winning picks for some time now but also because you managed to keep trolls, flamers, haters whatever you want to call them out of your threads.

    Best of luck today

    I understand what you're saying 100%. I was nervous about changing anything too much, however, I feel like this change isn't necesarilly BECAUSE of the losing days. The change I'm making, IMO, could have been helpful the entire time I've been using it because it incorporates not only season-long trends, but also recent ones. As far as the data I've been using (and will continue to use), I haven't changed it one bit. I appreciate your concern and it has for sure crossed my mind. I feel minor tweaking to the systme is necessary to keep up with the change-in-pace we've seen over the last few weeks.

    As far as keeping trolls, etc. out of my threads, I feel that I've been lucky to have attracted not only a MATURE audience, but also a REALISTIC audience. There are comments that people are upset about losing - but why wouldn't they be? Instead of egging those people on like some people do in these threads, I just say "yeah, that sucks," because it does. I'm betting these games just like my followers are. I attribute the information exchanged and the mature tone in my threads to the contributors, not just the person that started the thread.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 5:35 PM ET #46

    turtle - I should be taking advice on March Madness; I don't know the first thing about college basketball. I just filled out my bracket for the work pool and have Kansas over Kentucky in the Championship (Louisville & Syracuse are the other Final 4 teams). Any information YOU can pass to ME would be appreciated.
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    turtle - I should be taking advice on March Madness; I don't know the first thing about college basketball. I just filled out my bracket for the work pool and have Kansas over Kentucky in the Championship (Louisville & Syracuse are the other Final 4 teams). Any information YOU can pass to ME would be appreciated.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 5:38 PM ET #47

    why the pick play on new orelans and char over?

     

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    why the pick play on new orelans and char over?

     

     
    rlawson
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 5:41 PM ET #48

    Quote Originally Posted by bschenk21:

    why the pick play on new orelans and char over?

     

    For some of the reasons I like this game, please reference post #32.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bschenk21:

    why the pick play on new orelans and char over?

     

    For some of the reasons I like this game, please reference post #32.

     
    JBecks12
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 5:46 PM ET #49

    Do you mind putting the numbers based on your old system for the 2 lines you picked? Just want to see if the play would have been different based on the whole season. Thanks. Much appreciated.
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    Do you mind putting the numbers based on your old system for the 2 lines you picked? Just want to see if the play would have been different based on the whole season. Thanks. Much appreciated.
     
     
    rlawson
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2012 - 5:58 PM ET #50

    OLD NUMBERS:

    New Jersey vs. Milwaukee - 191.5 (UNDER play)

    Chicago vs. New York - 189.6 (UNDER play)

    New Orleans vs. Charlotte - 187.3 (OVER lean)

    San Antonio vs. Washington - 196.4 (UNDER play)

    Utah vs. Detroit - 191.3 (N/A)

    Minnesota vs. Phoenix - 195.7 (UNDER lean)

    LA Clipppers vs. Boston - 191.2 (OVER lean)

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    OLD NUMBERS:

    New Jersey vs. Milwaukee - 191.5 (UNDER play)

    Chicago vs. New York - 189.6 (UNDER play)

    New Orleans vs. Charlotte - 187.3 (OVER lean)

    San Antonio vs. Washington - 196.4 (UNDER play)

    Utah vs. Detroit - 191.3 (N/A)

    Minnesota vs. Phoenix - 195.7 (UNDER lean)

    LA Clipppers vs. Boston - 191.2 (OVER lean)

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