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    Lebron has a ring* but is NOT a champion

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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 9:27 AM ET #1

    Duncan, Parker, Ginobili.....they are Champions and they played like it.  That is the difference between these teams.....and the fact that SA will not hand the Heat 20 turnovers a game like the Pacers did.
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    Duncan, Parker, Ginobili.....they are Champions and they played like it.  That is the difference between these teams.....and the fact that SA will not hand the Heat 20 turnovers a game like the Pacers did.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 9:36 AM ET #2

    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

    Duncan, Parker, Ginobili.....they are Champions and they played like it.  That is the difference between these teams.....and the fact that SA will not hand the Heat 20 turnovers a game like the Pacers did.


    Get real son.  LeBron is absolutely a champion and has the ring to show it.  In fact, one could argue he's more of a champion right now than anyone on the Spurs because he is a reigning champ and the Spurs are not.  Could any of the Spurs players have won a ring by themselves like Bron was criticized for when he left Cleveland?  Not a chance.  They needed to have all 3 of those guys (and/or D Rob) to win a ring, no different than the Heat trio.
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    Duncan, Parker, Ginobili.....they are Champions and they played like it.  That is the difference between these teams.....and the fact that SA will not hand the Heat 20 turnovers a game like the Pacers did.


    Get real son.  LeBron is absolutely a champion and has the ring to show it.  In fact, one could argue he's more of a champion right now than anyone on the Spurs because he is a reigning champ and the Spurs are not.  Could any of the Spurs players have won a ring by themselves like Bron was criticized for when he left Cleveland?  Not a chance.  They needed to have all 3 of those guys (and/or D Rob) to win a ring, no different than the Heat trio.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 10:35 AM ET #3

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    Get real son.  LeBron is absolutely a champion and has the ring to show it.  In fact, one could argue he's more of a champion right now than anyone on the Spurs because he is a reigning champ and the Spurs are not.  Could any of the Spurs players have won a ring by themselves like Bron was criticized for when he left Cleveland?  Not a chance.  They needed to have all 3 of those guys (and/or D Rob) to win a ring, no different than the Heat trio.

    Lol Duncan has 4 rings. Parker and Ginobli have 3. Other than the amount of rings, the other difference is that all 3 started with the same team. They didnt collaborate to all join one team like your hero lebron.
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    Get real son.  LeBron is absolutely a champion and has the ring to show it.  In fact, one could argue he's more of a champion right now than anyone on the Spurs because he is a reigning champ and the Spurs are not.  Could any of the Spurs players have won a ring by themselves like Bron was criticized for when he left Cleveland?  Not a chance.  They needed to have all 3 of those guys (and/or D Rob) to win a ring, no different than the Heat trio.

    Lol Duncan has 4 rings. Parker and Ginobli have 3. Other than the amount of rings, the other difference is that all 3 started with the same team. They didnt collaborate to all join one team like your hero lebron.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 10:35 AM ET #4

    A champion doesn't let an ice cold Chris Bosh take the most shots on the team in the 4th quarter while only scoring 6 pts in the final 3 minutes.....
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    A champion doesn't let an ice cold Chris Bosh take the most shots on the team in the 4th quarter while only scoring 6 pts in the final 3 minutes.....
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 10:36 AM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by HoosierBettor:



    Get real son.  LeBron is absolutely a champion and has the ring to show it.  In fact, one could argue he's more of a champion right now than anyone on the Spurs because he is a reigning champ and the Spurs are not.  Could any of the Spurs players have won a ring by themselves like Bron was criticized for when he left Cleveland?  Not a chance.  They needed to have all 3 of those guys (and/or D Rob) to win a ring, no different than the Heat trio.

    Wow u r an idiot. 
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    Get real son.  LeBron is absolutely a champion and has the ring to show it.  In fact, one could argue he's more of a champion right now than anyone on the Spurs because he is a reigning champ and the Spurs are not.  Could any of the Spurs players have won a ring by themselves like Bron was criticized for when he left Cleveland?  Not a chance.  They needed to have all 3 of those guys (and/or D Rob) to win a ring, no different than the Heat trio.

    Wow u r an idiot. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 10:46 AM ET #6

    LeBron is a champion, only due to the fact he won a championship (on a stacked team), but ignorant fans that compare him to Jordan, or even Kobe should understand that the great ones don't disappear in the 4th quarter of a Finals game.

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    LeBron is a champion, only due to the fact he won a championship (on a stacked team), but ignorant fans that compare him to Jordan, or even Kobe should understand that the great ones don't disappear in the 4th quarter of a Finals game.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 10:48 AM ET #7

    Bron played the 4th quarter?
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 11:23 AM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by djchronicles:


    Lol Duncan has 4 rings. Parker and Ginobli have 3. Other than the amount of rings, the other difference is that all 3 started with the same team. They didnt collaborate to all join one team like your hero lebron.


    Point is that Duncan, Ginobili, nor Parker have won any of their rings without other stars on their team.  If any of those 3 happened to play on a weaker team by themselves, and couldn't win a championship, would they have been criticized for "not being able to do it alone"?  No way.  Championship teams have multiple stars, whether that's from the draft, trade, or FA.  To say LeBron is not a champion is just not true.  I'm actually not a huge LeBron fan but immature biased fans who don't appreciate greatness are quite annoying.
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    Lol Duncan has 4 rings. Parker and Ginobli have 3. Other than the amount of rings, the other difference is that all 3 started with the same team. They didnt collaborate to all join one team like your hero lebron.


    Point is that Duncan, Ginobili, nor Parker have won any of their rings without other stars on their team.  If any of those 3 happened to play on a weaker team by themselves, and couldn't win a championship, would they have been criticized for "not being able to do it alone"?  No way.  Championship teams have multiple stars, whether that's from the draft, trade, or FA.  To say LeBron is not a champion is just not true.  I'm actually not a huge LeBron fan but immature biased fans who don't appreciate greatness are quite annoying.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 11:48 AM ET #9

    Bottom line, Duncan is more of a champion. If they win, it will be be his 5th.  First person to win in 3 different decades. Impressive! 
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    Bottom line, Duncan is more of a champion. If they win, it will be be his 5th.  First person to win in 3 different decades. Impressive! 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 12:09 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by goterps5050:

    Bottom line, Duncan is more of a champion. If they win, it will be be his 5th.  First person to win in 3 different decades. Impressive! 


    Please, do explain.  What makes one "more of a champion" than another?  More rings and that's it?  So Matt Bonner is "more of a champion" than LeBron because he happened to be on a team with great players that won rings?   Is Steve Kerr more of a champion right now than Duncan because Kerr has 5 rings and Duncan has 4?
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    Bottom line, Duncan is more of a champion. If they win, it will be be his 5th.  First person to win in 3 different decades. Impressive! 


    Please, do explain.  What makes one "more of a champion" than another?  More rings and that's it?  So Matt Bonner is "more of a champion" than LeBron because he happened to be on a team with great players that won rings?   Is Steve Kerr more of a champion right now than Duncan because Kerr has 5 rings and Duncan has 4?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 12:14 PM ET #11

    Stop playing dumb. It is obvious Tim D was and is the leader of that team. Bulls  and spurs could have won with out Kerr and bonner. They couldn't have won without Jordan or Duncan. 
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    Stop playing dumb. It is obvious Tim D was and is the leader of that team. Bulls  and spurs could have won with out Kerr and bonner. They couldn't have won without Jordan or Duncan. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 12:23 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by goterps5050:

    Stop playing dumb. It is obvious Tim D was and is the leader of that team. Bulls  and spurs could have won with out Kerr and bonner. They couldn't have won without Jordan or Duncan. 


    So please answer the question.  What makes one player "more of a champion" than another?  Has to be leader of his team?  Well in that case, Duncan wouldn't be any more of a champion if they win it this year because Parker is the leader of this team, no doubt. 

    Also keep in mind that Duncan is 37 and LeBron is 28.  Bron Bron has quite a bit of time to win a few more rings.  Really no reason to spend any more time on your laughable "more of a champion" theory at this point.
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    Stop playing dumb. It is obvious Tim D was and is the leader of that team. Bulls  and spurs could have won with out Kerr and bonner. They couldn't have won without Jordan or Duncan. 


    So please answer the question.  What makes one player "more of a champion" than another?  Has to be leader of his team?  Well in that case, Duncan wouldn't be any more of a champion if they win it this year because Parker is the leader of this team, no doubt. 

    Also keep in mind that Duncan is 37 and LeBron is 28.  Bron Bron has quite a bit of time to win a few more rings.  Really no reason to spend any more time on your laughable "more of a champion" theory at this point.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 12:32 PM ET #13

    Dirk is more of a champion than Lebron!  He pretty much did the Heat in by himself in the 4th qtr of the finals. Lebron faded and was scared of the big moment. Like I heard yesterday Lebron is more of a Magic Johnson than Jordan or Kobe. He doesnt have the this is "my game" mentality.  Just my 2 cents
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    Dirk is more of a champion than Lebron!  He pretty much did the Heat in by himself in the 4th qtr of the finals. Lebron faded and was scared of the big moment. Like I heard yesterday Lebron is more of a Magic Johnson than Jordan or Kobe. He doesnt have the this is "my game" mentality.  Just my 2 cents
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 12:33 PM ET #14

    U really are a fool. U r right, It's a waste of time. GL 
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    U really are a fool. U r right, It's a waste of time. GL 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 12:36 PM ET #15

    Only a 12 year old would use the argument "Lebron is more of a champion cause he's the reigning champ"......or a bandwagon Heat fan.


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    Only a 12 year old would use the argument "Lebron is more of a champion cause he's the reigning champ"......or a bandwagon Heat fan.


     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 12:36 PM ET #16

    Lebron asked out of a nba finals game at 28 yrs old in his prime cuz he was tired........ Seriously this guy is just missing somethin. How the fukk do u ask to come out in a finals game
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    Lebron asked out of a nba finals game at 28 yrs old in his prime cuz he was tired........ Seriously this guy is just missing somethin. How the fukk do u ask to come out in a finals game
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 12:38 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by goterps5050:

    U really are a fool. U r right, It's a waste of time. GL 


    So you dodge the question and then name call.  Interesting.  BOL
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    U really are a fool. U r right, It's a waste of time. GL 


    So you dodge the question and then name call.  Interesting.  BOL
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 12:38 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by tonyrome:

    LeBron is a champion, only due to the fact he won a championship (on a stacked team) (in a shortened season too), but ignorant fans that compare him to Jordan, or even Kobe should understand that the great ones don't disappear in the 4th quarter of a Finals game.

        And that is where champions are made.  Would Jordan have dished the ball to an ice cold Toni Kukoc with under 2 minutes left in a 4-point game?  Would Kobe pass off to a struggling Lamar Odom in that same situation?   No....they would go to the hoop and at least get FT's.   Lebron is a great player.....a great REGULAR SEASON MVP.  A power in the Eastern Conference.  All that means nothing now because he's going against real pro's.  Professional champions with an all-time great championship coach.  
    Who will bet that if/when the Spurs win, Spoelstra is gone?  He'll be the first on Lebron's list to go.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyrome:

    LeBron is a champion, only due to the fact he won a championship (on a stacked team) (in a shortened season too), but ignorant fans that compare him to Jordan, or even Kobe should understand that the great ones don't disappear in the 4th quarter of a Finals game.

        And that is where champions are made.  Would Jordan have dished the ball to an ice cold Toni Kukoc with under 2 minutes left in a 4-point game?  Would Kobe pass off to a struggling Lamar Odom in that same situation?   No....they would go to the hoop and at least get FT's.   Lebron is a great player.....a great REGULAR SEASON MVP.  A power in the Eastern Conference.  All that means nothing now because he's going against real pro's.  Professional champions with an all-time great championship coach.  
    Who will bet that if/when the Spurs win, Spoelstra is gone?  He'll be the first on Lebron's list to go.  
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 12:41 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by KobezKing:

    Lebron asked out of a nba finals game at 28 yrs old in his prime cuz he was tired........ Seriously this guy is just missing somethin. How the fukk do u ask to come out in a finals game

    Possibly because they were giving the Spurs their best and it wasn't good enough.  So now it looks like Spoelstra is to blame.  He should have to him to get his behind back in the game.  When will they NOT be tired in the next week of games?
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    Lebron asked out of a nba finals game at 28 yrs old in his prime cuz he was tired........ Seriously this guy is just missing somethin. How the fukk do u ask to come out in a finals game

    Possibly because they were giving the Spurs their best and it wasn't good enough.  So now it looks like Spoelstra is to blame.  He should have to him to get his behind back in the game.  When will they NOT be tired in the next week of games?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

    A champion doesn't let an ice cold Chris Bosh take the most shots on the team in the 4th quarter while only scoring 6 pts in the final 3 minutes.....

    A champion also has to leave a loser team like cleveland or toronto before he can ever have an actual chance to win a championship.
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    A champion doesn't let an ice cold Chris Bosh take the most shots on the team in the 4th quarter while only scoring 6 pts in the final 3 minutes.....

    A champion also has to leave a loser team like cleveland or toronto before he can ever have an actual chance to win a championship.
     
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    Yea cuz jordan left a loser bulls team to go ring chasing i forgot about that
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    Yea cuz jordan left a loser bulls team to go ring chasing i forgot about that
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

    A champion doesn't let an ice cold Chris Bosh take the most shots on the team in the 4th quarter while only scoring 6 pts in the final 3 minutes.....

    You said it!!!   I think Bosh's softness and sh*tty play will cost Beiber's Heat the series.  I'm on board with u big guy!!
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    A champion doesn't let an ice cold Chris Bosh take the most shots on the team in the 4th quarter while only scoring 6 pts in the final 3 minutes.....

    You said it!!!   I think Bosh's softness and sh*tty play will cost Beiber's Heat the series.  I'm on board with u big guy!!
     
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    So please answer the question.  What makes one player "more of a champion" than another?  Has to be leader of his team?  Well in that case, Duncan wouldn't be any more of a champion if they win it this year because Parker is the leader of this team, no doubt. 

    Also keep in mind that Duncan is 37 and LeBron is 28.  Bron Bron has quite a bit of time to win a few more rings.  Really no reason to spend any more time on your laughable "more of a champion" theory at this point.Your right... there still time for him to go jump on OKC with KD and WB.. or CHI with ROSE, or hell go with other players and build another allstar built team.. there is plenty of time for him to buy another ring
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    So please answer the question.  What makes one player "more of a champion" than another?  Has to be leader of his team?  Well in that case, Duncan wouldn't be any more of a champion if they win it this year because Parker is the leader of this team, no doubt. 

    Also keep in mind that Duncan is 37 and LeBron is 28.  Bron Bron has quite a bit of time to win a few more rings.  Really no reason to spend any more time on your laughable "more of a champion" theory at this point.Your right... there still time for him to go jump on OKC with KD and WB.. or CHI with ROSE, or hell go with other players and build another allstar built team.. there is plenty of time for him to buy another ring
     
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    Posted: Jun. 9, 2013 - 3:25 AM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

    A champion doesn't let an ice cold Chris Bosh take the most shots on the team in the 4th quarter while only scoring 6 pts in the final 3 minutes.....







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    A champion doesn't let an ice cold Chris Bosh take the most shots on the team in the 4th quarter while only scoring 6 pts in the final 3 minutes.....







     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 9, 2013 - 3:26 AM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by tonyrome:

    LeBron is a champion, only due to the fact he won a championship (on a stacked team), but ignorant fans that compare him to Jordan, or even Kobe should understand that the great ones don't disappear in the 4th quarter of a Finals game.






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    LeBron is a champion, only due to the fact he won a championship (on a stacked team), but ignorant fans that compare him to Jordan, or even Kobe should understand that the great ones don't disappear in the 4th quarter of a Finals game.






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