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    Useless thread

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    Sugarhouse
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2010 - 9:47 PM ET #1

         Hey DH, my thread is just as valid, if not more so than most of the "Best this.. and Best that..." threads. The entire thought of someone being the best is subjective. Plain and simple. Just because more people say someone is the best does not mean that person is the best. Perhaps they may be the best to them, but to someone else, they may not rank up there in their top ten favorites. 
         Who is the best artist of all time? Picasso? Dali? Monet? How can you prove this?
         Who is the best poet? T.S. Elliot? Walden? Maya Angelou? Who? How can you prove this?
         Who is the best guitarist? You have to be downright deranged to think there isn't another performer out there who is yet to be noticed who can blow the doors off of Page. I can't prove this, but you can't prove me wrong, either. You've proven nothing except for making yourself look like a self-righteous, close-minded, boob.
         The most remarkable aspect of any art to me is the amount of interpretability of it. I know, I made up a word, who cares?  Just because I'd rather listen to Jeff Buckley's "Grace" more than Led Zepplin 2 doesn't mean anything other than that I'd rather listen "Grace" rather than Led Zepplin 2. I like it more, it means more to me than most other albums. It's my opinion. That's all it is. O-P-I-N-I-O-N. Each of us has one and usually they differ from one another. This is a good thing in case you've forgotten.
         So, DH, you can take that high horse you've obviously been riding for far too long and keep on riding it. Ride that thing far away. There's no turning back for you. You're hopeless. You're obviously far too big-headed to even fathom someone else in the world could be right about something to which you so vehemently oppose. 
         As for useless threads, I counted a cool twelve posts on the front "Music" page which can be attributed to you. How many of those were so worthy as to even deem visitable? Some? All? Were they all great? Did some suck? Which one was the best? The answer to all these questions is, Who knows? And you know what the answer to who's the best guitarist is?
     Who Knows?

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
         Hey DH, my thread is just as valid, if not more so than most of the "Best this.. and Best that..." threads. The entire thought of someone being the best is subjective. Plain and simple. Just because more people say someone is the best does not mean that person is the best. Perhaps they may be the best to them, but to someone else, they may not rank up there in their top ten favorites. 
         Who is the best artist of all time? Picasso? Dali? Monet? How can you prove this?
         Who is the best poet? T.S. Elliot? Walden? Maya Angelou? Who? How can you prove this?
         Who is the best guitarist? You have to be downright deranged to think there isn't another performer out there who is yet to be noticed who can blow the doors off of Page. I can't prove this, but you can't prove me wrong, either. You've proven nothing except for making yourself look like a self-righteous, close-minded, boob.
         The most remarkable aspect of any art to me is the amount of interpretability of it. I know, I made up a word, who cares?  Just because I'd rather listen to Jeff Buckley's "Grace" more than Led Zepplin 2 doesn't mean anything other than that I'd rather listen "Grace" rather than Led Zepplin 2. I like it more, it means more to me than most other albums. It's my opinion. That's all it is. O-P-I-N-I-O-N. Each of us has one and usually they differ from one another. This is a good thing in case you've forgotten.
         So, DH, you can take that high horse you've obviously been riding for far too long and keep on riding it. Ride that thing far away. There's no turning back for you. You're hopeless. You're obviously far too big-headed to even fathom someone else in the world could be right about something to which you so vehemently oppose. 
         As for useless threads, I counted a cool twelve posts on the front "Music" page which can be attributed to you. How many of those were so worthy as to even deem visitable? Some? All? Were they all great? Did some suck? Which one was the best? The answer to all these questions is, Who knows? And you know what the answer to who's the best guitarist is?
     Who Knows?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 16, 2010 - 2:50 AM ET #2

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    "Jeff Buckley's "Grace" more than Led Zeppelin 2"

    Did Buckley ever do any stadiums, or many many many of them? Longevity, talent, accolades from peers, etc......

    OK, I'll try one more time.............I'm sure that you can say 10 guys are the top ten guitarists, right? That's reasonable correct?

    If 9 of those ten top guitarists say (not us in this forum) but 9 of the top ten guitarists in the world..........all say Jimmy Page is the best, and I think that I'll take their word for it, won't you?

    I mention, best individual is silly, but naming the top ten you could do comfortably, right?

    Well, every top guitarist and music industry says that Jimmy Page is the best. Facts are facts,

    I just happen to agree with history, numbers, accolades, and opinions by all the tops in that particular specific genre.......

    You can't actually think that your analogy of comparing one obscure album by Jeff Buckley that you happen to like a lot, to one of many many many astounding Led Zep albums, makes sense.

    That's absurd.

    By the way, I don't mean to sound argumentative , just proving a point.......No hard feelings personally towards you Sugarhouse.

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    "Jeff Buckley's "Grace" more than Led Zeppelin 2"

    Did Buckley ever do any stadiums, or many many many of them? Longevity, talent, accolades from peers, etc......

    OK, I'll try one more time.............I'm sure that you can say 10 guys are the top ten guitarists, right? That's reasonable correct?

    If 9 of those ten top guitarists say (not us in this forum) but 9 of the top ten guitarists in the world..........all say Jimmy Page is the best, and I think that I'll take their word for it, won't you?

    I mention, best individual is silly, but naming the top ten you could do comfortably, right?

    Well, every top guitarist and music industry says that Jimmy Page is the best. Facts are facts,

    I just happen to agree with history, numbers, accolades, and opinions by all the tops in that particular specific genre.......

    You can't actually think that your analogy of comparing one obscure album by Jeff Buckley that you happen to like a lot, to one of many many many astounding Led Zep albums, makes sense.

    That's absurd.

    By the way, I don't mean to sound argumentative , just proving a point.......No hard feelings personally towards you Sugarhouse.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 17, 2010 - 12:08 AM ET #4

    Who picks these best guitarists in the world? Critics? Anybody who takes the word of a critic with nothing more than a grain of salt should be put down, immediately. Other guitarists? They're just giving their opinion. Why should anyone with a mind of their own take the word of someone they don't even know? 
    If Eric Clapton states that Page is the best guitarist he's met we're supposed to take that to heart? What if Clapton said the best place to eat a burger is Burger King. And what if 9 more of your illustrious guitarists said the same thing? Then, by your standards, the best place to eat a burger is, Burger King. Better yet, if the so called top ten chefs said Burger King is the best place to eat a burger, we're supposed to just agree? 
    You say facts are facts. How can opinions be construed into fact? Utterly ridiculous.
    I only used the "Grace" album as an example. You're smarter than that.
    DH, you have committed one of society's cardinal sins: The inability to differentiate quality from success. Accolades mean nothing when it comes to measuring creative greatness. Look what's happened to the Grammys and any other of the totally stupid awards groups. Who can watch such drivel? 
    What I'm attempting to do is similar to trying and convince a die-hard Christian there is no god. You may be the nicest guy I've never met, but you come off as nothing other than a nincumpoop. If you wish to continue this exchanging of slightly adrenalized diatribes, I'm game. 
    I'll leave you with this: Imagine yourself and ten close friends in your living room. You have the choice of any guitarist of your choice to put on a personal concert for you and your friends. Just the guitarist, no band to back them up. Just him/her and their instrument or instruments.  Jimmy Page would be pretty far down my list. Awe factor aside, listening to him play Zepplin classics by himself would be almost boring. He is nothing without Bonham, Plant and Jones. I'd take Hendrix any day and I'm sure many millions would do the same. Many, many millions. Gazillions, perhaps.
    Do not forget this: one of society's greatest sins is the inability to differentiate quality from success. This has lead to the watering down of the art world's gene pool. And from what I've been seeing on your part, you've contributed greatly to this watering down. 
    You can suck it.
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    Who picks these best guitarists in the world? Critics? Anybody who takes the word of a critic with nothing more than a grain of salt should be put down, immediately. Other guitarists? They're just giving their opinion. Why should anyone with a mind of their own take the word of someone they don't even know? 
    If Eric Clapton states that Page is the best guitarist he's met we're supposed to take that to heart? What if Clapton said the best place to eat a burger is Burger King. And what if 9 more of your illustrious guitarists said the same thing? Then, by your standards, the best place to eat a burger is, Burger King. Better yet, if the so called top ten chefs said Burger King is the best place to eat a burger, we're supposed to just agree? 
    You say facts are facts. How can opinions be construed into fact? Utterly ridiculous.
    I only used the "Grace" album as an example. You're smarter than that.
    DH, you have committed one of society's cardinal sins: The inability to differentiate quality from success. Accolades mean nothing when it comes to measuring creative greatness. Look what's happened to the Grammys and any other of the totally stupid awards groups. Who can watch such drivel? 
    What I'm attempting to do is similar to trying and convince a die-hard Christian there is no god. You may be the nicest guy I've never met, but you come off as nothing other than a nincumpoop. If you wish to continue this exchanging of slightly adrenalized diatribes, I'm game. 
    I'll leave you with this: Imagine yourself and ten close friends in your living room. You have the choice of any guitarist of your choice to put on a personal concert for you and your friends. Just the guitarist, no band to back them up. Just him/her and their instrument or instruments.  Jimmy Page would be pretty far down my list. Awe factor aside, listening to him play Zepplin classics by himself would be almost boring. He is nothing without Bonham, Plant and Jones. I'd take Hendrix any day and I'm sure many millions would do the same. Many, many millions. Gazillions, perhaps.
    Do not forget this: one of society's greatest sins is the inability to differentiate quality from success. This has lead to the watering down of the art world's gene pool. And from what I've been seeing on your part, you've contributed greatly to this watering down. 
    You can suck it.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 17, 2010 - 12:53 AM ET #5

    Both you guys like to rock and enjoy good music.  Agree to disagree, shake hands and let's move on.  We've got plenty of good shit to cover... like this one:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYGp5shqLZg




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    Both you guys like to rock and enjoy good music.  Agree to disagree, shake hands and let's move on.  We've got plenty of good shit to cover... like this one:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYGp5shqLZg




     
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    Posted: Feb. 17, 2010 - 1:12 AM ET #6

    Appreciate the sentiment, Lilly. Will keep it in mind. 
    People like DH piss me way the heck off. That's all.
    Here's one for you. Lights off and doobies smokin'.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nTFjVm9sTQ
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    Appreciate the sentiment, Lilly. Will keep it in mind. 
    People like DH piss me way the heck off. That's all.
    Here's one for you. Lights off and doobies smokin'.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nTFjVm9sTQ
     
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    Posted: Feb. 17, 2010 - 1:29 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarhouse:

    Appreciate the sentiment, Lilly. Will keep it in mind. 
    People like DH piss me way the heck off. That's all.
    Here's one for you. Lights off and doobies smokin'.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nTFjVm9sTQ



    Nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarhouse:

    Appreciate the sentiment, Lilly. Will keep it in mind. 
    People like DH piss me way the heck off. That's all.
    Here's one for you. Lights off and doobies smokin'.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nTFjVm9sTQ



    Nice.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 17, 2010 - 9:20 AM ET #8

    Accolades mean nothing when it comes to measuring creative greatness. Look what's happened to the Grammys and any other of the totally stupid awards groups. Who can watch such drivel?

    I completely agree, I hate all of those very contrived, cheesy, and award shows.........Those weren't the type of accolades I meant. I was referring to the verbal ones that are said over and over (Joe Walsh reference and great tune.... )

    Sugarhouse, the fact that this conversation on the internet could actually piss you off , makes my point evenmore.

    Next time you post your opinion in here, I'll just say "yes sir, you are correct sir" ....."Jeff Buckley is far superior to Led Zeppelin sir"

    Would that be better? I don't want to "piss you the hell off" anymore........

    I guess you missed my post at the end where I said that "sugarhouse, I certainly mean any offense and don't mean or want to seem argumentative" and then a  sign. "

    I posted that way before this new thread. Why even start a new thread on the same subject? You already had one on the same subject going.

    I'll try not to fail you again sir. Sorry sir. 

    Maybe you should read your own thread for things like that, before starting new ones saying you are pissed off by what pretty much everyone else agrees with me on.

    I was actually trying to make sure that you would feel like and be part of this music crew. There are no arguments in this section of the forum, and I'm pretty sure, all of us regulars in here would like to keep it that way.....   Don't try to put it all on me either. Others seem to agree with me by the way.

    Once again .

    Hopefully you'll read the end of your own thread #2 on the same subject, before starting a #3 on the same subject, saying that you have flames shooting out of your ears because of me without reading the end of your own thread again. LOL (trying to make you laugh  ) We don't argue in here dude. Discuss, not argue.

    I'd rather have more people like you that care enough to share their opinions regardless, than fewer.    

    Can't have negative vibe in music section, right ?
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    Accolades mean nothing when it comes to measuring creative greatness. Look what's happened to the Grammys and any other of the totally stupid awards groups. Who can watch such drivel?

    I completely agree, I hate all of those very contrived, cheesy, and award shows.........Those weren't the type of accolades I meant. I was referring to the verbal ones that are said over and over (Joe Walsh reference and great tune.... )

    Sugarhouse, the fact that this conversation on the internet could actually piss you off , makes my point evenmore.

    Next time you post your opinion in here, I'll just say "yes sir, you are correct sir" ....."Jeff Buckley is far superior to Led Zeppelin sir"

    Would that be better? I don't want to "piss you the hell off" anymore........

    I guess you missed my post at the end where I said that "sugarhouse, I certainly mean any offense and don't mean or want to seem argumentative" and then a  sign. "

    I posted that way before this new thread. Why even start a new thread on the same subject? You already had one on the same subject going.

    I'll try not to fail you again sir. Sorry sir. 

    Maybe you should read your own thread for things like that, before starting new ones saying you are pissed off by what pretty much everyone else agrees with me on.

    I was actually trying to make sure that you would feel like and be part of this music crew. There are no arguments in this section of the forum, and I'm pretty sure, all of us regulars in here would like to keep it that way.....   Don't try to put it all on me either. Others seem to agree with me by the way.

    Once again .

    Hopefully you'll read the end of your own thread #2 on the same subject, before starting a #3 on the same subject, saying that you have flames shooting out of your ears because of me without reading the end of your own thread again. LOL (trying to make you laugh  ) We don't argue in here dude. Discuss, not argue.

    I'd rather have more people like you that care enough to share their opinions regardless, than fewer.    

    Can't have negative vibe in music section, right ?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 17, 2010 - 9:26 AM ET #9

    I guess you missed my post at the end where I said that "sugarhouse, I certainly mean any offense and don't mean or want to seem argumentative" and then a  sign. "

    (I forgot the sign)

    Pissed off is the box that shares a wall in the condo next door that complains if he can hear my TV or any music, etc. after 9pm. That little bitch really pisses me off. I have headphones on for fricking hours after 9, just 'cause I don't want little baby bitch ass crying because he hears evidence of another human next door to him.


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    I guess you missed my post at the end where I said that "sugarhouse, I certainly mean any offense and don't mean or want to seem argumentative" and then a  sign. "

    (I forgot the sign)

    Pissed off is the box that shares a wall in the condo next door that complains if he can hear my TV or any music, etc. after 9pm. That little bitch really pisses me off. I have headphones on for fricking hours after 9, just 'cause I don't want little baby bitch ass crying because he hears evidence of another human next door to him.


     
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    Posted: Feb. 17, 2010 - 9:32 AM ET #10

    So, DH, you can take that high horse you've obviously been riding for far too long and keep on riding it.

    Once again, more than just myself agreed with me. I'll respectfully ask if you/we can keep that negative vibe out of here in the music section. This isn't the "mains" in here......Count the number of your points on the subject you made, to the number of mine, and I think you about doubled up on me.

    Sorry sir......LOL Dude, seriously.......  

    I can't kiss your ass and won't anymore to make peace in the name of keeping this section pure compared to all the other crap that goes on in the forum.......deal?
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    So, DH, you can take that high horse you've obviously been riding for far too long and keep on riding it.

    Once again, more than just myself agreed with me. I'll respectfully ask if you/we can keep that negative vibe out of here in the music section. This isn't the "mains" in here......Count the number of your points on the subject you made, to the number of mine, and I think you about doubled up on me.

    Sorry sir......LOL Dude, seriously.......  

    I can't kiss your ass and won't anymore to make peace in the name of keeping this section pure compared to all the other crap that goes on in the forum.......deal?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 17, 2010 - 9:47 AM ET #11


    End of post #3

    By the way, I don't mean to sound argumentative , just proving a point.......No hard feelings personally towards you Sugarhouse.


    And your following post immediately afterwards, I can't actually count how much crap you threw at me and made it some personal thing,

    .........topping it off by telling me "to go suck it."

    Class act. Can this just stop please. Join in with us, and try to catch the good vibe in here. This might be the best section in the entire forum .

    Don't ugly it up.
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    End of post #3

    By the way, I don't mean to sound argumentative , just proving a point.......No hard feelings personally towards you Sugarhouse.


    And your following post immediately afterwards, I can't actually count how much crap you threw at me and made it some personal thing,

    .........topping it off by telling me "to go suck it."

    Class act. Can this just stop please. Join in with us, and try to catch the good vibe in here. This might be the best section in the entire forum .

    Don't ugly it up.
     
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    What's wrong with being ugly? Just being honest. Suck it up,
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    What's wrong with being ugly? Just being honest. Suck it up,
     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2010 - 10:55 PM ET #13

    This site sums it up.

    https://www.guitarleenks.com/The_Greatest.html

    Notice,they say in no particular order. Except they do say Hendrix without question is above all others. Its not only the guitarist ability, but their creativity that seperates them from all others. What did they contribute to music.

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    This site sums it up.

    https://www.guitarleenks.com/The_Greatest.html

    Notice,they say in no particular order. Except they do say Hendrix without question is above all others. Its not only the guitarist ability, but their creativity that seperates them from all others. What did they contribute to music.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2010 - 11:14 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarhouse:

    What's wrong with being ugly? Just being honest. Suck it up,


    Did you read any post at all in this section in the last 7-8 days?

     I don't care, but just curious.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarhouse:

    What's wrong with being ugly? Just being honest. Suck it up,


    Did you read any post at all in this section in the last 7-8 days?

     I don't care, but just curious.


     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2010 - 11:23 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by gutcheck:

    This site sums it up.

    https://www.guitarleenks.com/The_Greatest.html

    Notice,they say in no particular order. Except they do say Hendrix without question is above all others. Its not only the guitarist ability, but their creativity that seperates them from all others. What did they contribute to music.



    OK, here's the point again for the mentally handicapped.....Hendrix, who can't speak for himself, was around when the Yardbirds were doing great things.......

    Of all living guitarists (living) they will and have frequently verbalized Jimmy Page as being the best not in one poll between them, but in many different venues and times over the past decade+.

    Had Hendrix not died at 27, and lived to be, say at least 40 like most people (Hendrix) that don't do everything they can short of a bullet to their own head, try and kill themselves in their mid twenties........who knows what new innovative stuff that Jimi Hendrix would have contributed...........

    But he killed himself, so the criteria isn't met in about 3 ways of being "best"......

    Once again, I'll take the word of every living guitarist over some guy named "sugar" that can't even follow the conversation that he himself started......
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutcheck:

    This site sums it up.

    https://www.guitarleenks.com/The_Greatest.html

    Notice,they say in no particular order. Except they do say Hendrix without question is above all others. Its not only the guitarist ability, but their creativity that seperates them from all others. What did they contribute to music.



    OK, here's the point again for the mentally handicapped.....Hendrix, who can't speak for himself, was around when the Yardbirds were doing great things.......

    Of all living guitarists (living) they will and have frequently verbalized Jimmy Page as being the best not in one poll between them, but in many different venues and times over the past decade+.

    Had Hendrix not died at 27, and lived to be, say at least 40 like most people (Hendrix) that don't do everything they can short of a bullet to their own head, try and kill themselves in their mid twenties........who knows what new innovative stuff that Jimi Hendrix would have contributed...........

    But he killed himself, so the criteria isn't met in about 3 ways of being "best"......

    Once again, I'll take the word of every living guitarist over some guy named "sugar" that can't even follow the conversation that he himself started......
     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2010 - 11:27 PM ET #16

    Oh, and how could anyone call Led Zeppelin the best Rock band out there, without any mention of Jeffrey Buckley? I mean, didn't Jeff Buckley have one album no one ever heard of that "sugar" says is better than Led Zep #2???? 

    LMAO at the absurdity of that ludicrous statement, and not realizing that you are making your point more simplistically absurd than ever



    Great point again "sugar"

    Tard.....
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    Oh, and how could anyone call Led Zeppelin the best Rock band out there, without any mention of Jeffrey Buckley? I mean, didn't Jeff Buckley have one album no one ever heard of that "sugar" says is better than Led Zep #2???? 

    LMAO at the absurdity of that ludicrous statement, and not realizing that you are making your point more simplistically absurd than ever



    Great point again "sugar"

    Tard.....
     
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    As I huge Jimmy Page fan, I assure you he is not the best ever. Where are you getting your info from when you say every living guitarist says he the best? Clapton and Hendrix both credited Buddy Guy as the guitarist they both looked up to the most. That is written in Claptons book. By the way, Hendrix did not kill himself. Have you ever seen the undedited version of Woodstock and the Hendrix performance? No one and mean no one can do what he was doing during that performance. The chord progressions that he used had never been done and can not be duplicated.

    Here is Jeff Beck talking about Hendrix:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVBf-N4smZ4

    Here is Pete Townsend talking about Hendrix:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRY6PcRpAc8

    Here is Stevie Ray Vaughn talking about Hendrix:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzraV8xn5Y4&feature=related

    Please post your reference of other guitar players stating that Page is the best.

    I am curious do you even play the guitar to understand difficulty of Hendrix tunes versus Page? Again, I am huge fan of Page and Zeppelin, but he is not the best ever.

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    As I huge Jimmy Page fan, I assure you he is not the best ever. Where are you getting your info from when you say every living guitarist says he the best? Clapton and Hendrix both credited Buddy Guy as the guitarist they both looked up to the most. That is written in Claptons book. By the way, Hendrix did not kill himself. Have you ever seen the undedited version of Woodstock and the Hendrix performance? No one and mean no one can do what he was doing during that performance. The chord progressions that he used had never been done and can not be duplicated.

    Here is Jeff Beck talking about Hendrix:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVBf-N4smZ4

    Here is Pete Townsend talking about Hendrix:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRY6PcRpAc8

    Here is Stevie Ray Vaughn talking about Hendrix:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzraV8xn5Y4&feature=related

    Please post your reference of other guitar players stating that Page is the best.

    I am curious do you even play the guitar to understand difficulty of Hendrix tunes versus Page? Again, I am huge fan of Page and Zeppelin, but he is not the best ever.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2010 - 12:49 AM ET #18

    Gutcheck,....Nope. No musical talent. Wish that I had some. Half of all my friends are from the Seattle music scene, and some made it, most hovered in the just below famous range....Does that make me an expert? No. I'm referring to people's opinions that are more qualified than mine....I just thoroughly enjoy it, and consider myself a historian much the same way folks study of the histiricl aspects of Baseball, eventhough most all players I look at, no longer are playing or are in the game at all anymore in any aspect. Neither one of us were around and saw Hendrix along with many on the very good list you posted in another thread I believe.

    Gutcheck, can this be a regular conversation and not one in which someone compares the "best" stamp on it to

    ......what kind of ice cream hot fudge sunday someone likes, or any silly ass reference to the Jeff Buckley band as being better than Led Zeppelin.....they were the only points to a bunch of ramblings by sugar, albeit completely absurd.

    Just a thought, but a good one regarding normal interaction....

    As far as references, will a handful do? I'll be awake a long time so I'll find some stuff to back it up, and heard these references to Page firsthand, TV, interviews in mags, etc......Must be on the web somewhere, since I didn't make it up.


    Gutcheck, sugar has put a strong effort into diluting the main issue of no way being able to name the musical genres' bands, and many things all that is music as being the "best"....This subject was never about "guitarists". That was merely the easiest example next to "best" rock band, which is clearly Zeppelin that I easily tossed in there , because at the time, I thought sugar was a cognitive and functional human. After sugar said Jeff Buckley Band was better than Led Zep, because he thinks all that is "Jeff Buckley Band" is better than the album Led Zeppelin #2, I knew that a chimp had gotten ahold of a computer left online somewhere......

    Not skirting anything, just like I wasted an hour reading sugar's silly ass thread on his life's music chronology, why not waste an hour spending time with something a lot more interesting.

    As long as you read the thread link above illustrating that this was not about guitarists, but only a throw in to help the point along, I'll put the time into it. Tell me before I waste my time. OK?

    Once again, guitarists was a thrown in to sugar's thread about no one can say the "best" about anything to add to an already easy point to make. None of it was about guitarists and only in response to sugar's original thread.

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmain.aspx?spt=217

    He has done a fantastic job at getting attention shifted from the larger point in the tread linked above that he started and no one else, to just being about guitarists, which it never was.....period.

    .....Gutcheck, I hope you read it and catch up, before hopping this guy's train. I wasn't the only guy that responded to it in more than one of his threads, as sugar shifted it from his first point, and he evolved it into something else altogether.guitarists.....


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    Gutcheck,....Nope. No musical talent. Wish that I had some. Half of all my friends are from the Seattle music scene, and some made it, most hovered in the just below famous range....Does that make me an expert? No. I'm referring to people's opinions that are more qualified than mine....I just thoroughly enjoy it, and consider myself a historian much the same way folks study of the histiricl aspects of Baseball, eventhough most all players I look at, no longer are playing or are in the game at all anymore in any aspect. Neither one of us were around and saw Hendrix along with many on the very good list you posted in another thread I believe.

    Gutcheck, can this be a regular conversation and not one in which someone compares the "best" stamp on it to

    ......what kind of ice cream hot fudge sunday someone likes, or any silly ass reference to the Jeff Buckley band as being better than Led Zeppelin.....they were the only points to a bunch of ramblings by sugar, albeit completely absurd.

    Just a thought, but a good one regarding normal interaction....

    As far as references, will a handful do? I'll be awake a long time so I'll find some stuff to back it up, and heard these references to Page firsthand, TV, interviews in mags, etc......Must be on the web somewhere, since I didn't make it up.


    Gutcheck, sugar has put a strong effort into diluting the main issue of no way being able to name the musical genres' bands, and many things all that is music as being the "best"....This subject was never about "guitarists". That was merely the easiest example next to "best" rock band, which is clearly Zeppelin that I easily tossed in there , because at the time, I thought sugar was a cognitive and functional human. After sugar said Jeff Buckley Band was better than Led Zep, because he thinks all that is "Jeff Buckley Band" is better than the album Led Zeppelin #2, I knew that a chimp had gotten ahold of a computer left online somewhere......

    Not skirting anything, just like I wasted an hour reading sugar's silly ass thread on his life's music chronology, why not waste an hour spending time with something a lot more interesting.

    As long as you read the thread link above illustrating that this was not about guitarists, but only a throw in to help the point along, I'll put the time into it. Tell me before I waste my time. OK?

    Once again, guitarists was a thrown in to sugar's thread about no one can say the "best" about anything to add to an already easy point to make. None of it was about guitarists and only in response to sugar's original thread.

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmain.aspx?spt=217

    He has done a fantastic job at getting attention shifted from the larger point in the tread linked above that he started and no one else, to just being about guitarists, which it never was.....period.

    .....Gutcheck, I hope you read it and catch up, before hopping this guy's train. I wasn't the only guy that responded to it in more than one of his threads, as sugar shifted it from his first point, and he evolved it into something else altogether.guitarists.....


     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2010 - 12:55 AM ET #19

    I am curious do you even play the guitar to understand difficulty of Hendrix tunes versus Page? Again, I am huge fan of Page and Zeppelin, but he is not the best ever.

    Gut, I freely admit that I don't and didn't realize what you speak of in terms of "difficulty of tunes played".....I am also a huge Hendrix fan as anyone with a brin for fantastic music should be.

    Until I was about 20 yrs old (25 yrs ago) , I actually thought that the lead singer was the head guy/maindecision maker/lyricist/etc.....Stupid kid that I was......

    Led Zep was Jimmy Page's band, and he's the one to have put it all together......Nothing against Robt. Plant. Love him..........
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    I am curious do you even play the guitar to understand difficulty of Hendrix tunes versus Page? Again, I am huge fan of Page and Zeppelin, but he is not the best ever.

    Gut, I freely admit that I don't and didn't realize what you speak of in terms of "difficulty of tunes played".....I am also a huge Hendrix fan as anyone with a brin for fantastic music should be.

    Until I was about 20 yrs old (25 yrs ago) , I actually thought that the lead singer was the head guy/maindecision maker/lyricist/etc.....Stupid kid that I was......

    Led Zep was Jimmy Page's band, and he's the one to have put it all together......Nothing against Robt. Plant. Love him..........
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2010 - 12:57 AM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by gutcheck:

    This site sums it up.

    https://www.guitarleenks.com/The_Greatest.html

    Notice,they say in no particular order. Except they do say Hendrix without question is above all others. Its not only the guitarist ability, but their creativity that seperates them from all others. What did they contribute to music.



    It would be an amazing thing if Hendrix were to have lived 20 years longer and saw what he might have done. It sucks......
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutcheck:

    This site sums it up.

    https://www.guitarleenks.com/The_Greatest.html

    Notice,they say in no particular order. Except they do say Hendrix without question is above all others. Its not only the guitarist ability, but their creativity that seperates them from all others. What did they contribute to music.



    It would be an amazing thing if Hendrix were to have lived 20 years longer and saw what he might have done. It sucks......
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2010 - 8:14 AM ET #21

    You are correct, I didn't event read the other guys post. For the record, Zeppelin is my favorite band of all time. Saw them in 1976 at the Chicago Stadium. Best show I have ever seen. At the end of the day, all of these guys were amazing.
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    You are correct, I didn't event read the other guys post. For the record, Zeppelin is my favorite band of all time. Saw them in 1976 at the Chicago Stadium. Best show I have ever seen. At the end of the day, all of these guys were amazing.
     
     
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    It's not the Jeff Buckley Band. He's a solo artist who had a band tour and record with him. I never said Buckley was better than Zeppelin. I said I'd rather listen to his album, "Grace" more than a Zeppelin album. That's all. No big whoop.
    DH, you are a perfect example of what I like to call a rube.
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    It's not the Jeff Buckley Band. He's a solo artist who had a band tour and record with him. I never said Buckley was better than Zeppelin. I said I'd rather listen to his album, "Grace" more than a Zeppelin album. That's all. No big whoop.
    DH, you are a perfect example of what I like to call a rube.
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