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    Joy Division

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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2012 - 12:31 AM ET #1

    I was a huge new wave fan as were most of my friends growing up in the early 80's.  One band that eluded me was Joy Division.  I had a couple friends mention that they were fans back in 83, but never listened to their music.  I had always known them to be New Order(whom i never liked). Fast forward 30 yrs and with youtube i stumbled across their music and have been listening to them every night for the last 4 months.  I encourage anyone that hasn't heard their music to do the same.  I'm an audiophile and will listen to just about anything, but these lads were talented beyond belief.  For me, the anchors were Sumner and Hook followed by Curtis and Morris.  Mind you, once Curtis died and the band became New Order, their music becomes almost unlistenable to me.  New dawn fades is their best song with enough strength and passion to tear you down.  Anyone else like their music?
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    I was a huge new wave fan as were most of my friends growing up in the early 80's.  One band that eluded me was Joy Division.  I had a couple friends mention that they were fans back in 83, but never listened to their music.  I had always known them to be New Order(whom i never liked). Fast forward 30 yrs and with youtube i stumbled across their music and have been listening to them every night for the last 4 months.  I encourage anyone that hasn't heard their music to do the same.  I'm an audiophile and will listen to just about anything, but these lads were talented beyond belief.  For me, the anchors were Sumner and Hook followed by Curtis and Morris.  Mind you, once Curtis died and the band became New Order, their music becomes almost unlistenable to me.  New dawn fades is their best song with enough strength and passion to tear you down.  Anyone else like their music?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2012 - 1:55 PM ET #2

    I've always been a fan. And I agree New Order ain't shit.

    About 5 yrs ago or so a movie came out called 'Control', about the band and death of Curtis. At the same time a Docu about the band came out. Both are worth a watch.

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    I've always been a fan. And I agree New Order ain't shit.

    About 5 yrs ago or so a movie came out called 'Control', about the band and death of Curtis. At the same time a Docu about the band came out. Both are worth a watch.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2012 - 5:09 PM ET #3

    Love Joy Division, and New Order too.
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    Love Joy Division, and New Order too.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2012 - 7:03 PM ET #4

    well i might like them if ya provided a song. geez
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    well i might like them if ya provided a song. geez
     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2012 - 8:53 PM ET #5

    Love Dead Souls, but NIN stole it and owns it.
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    Love Dead Souls, but NIN stole it and owns it.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2012 - 9:01 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

    well i might like them if ya provided a song. geez


    Probably most well known song is Love Will Tear Us Apart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

    well i might like them if ya provided a song. geez


    Probably most well known song is Love Will Tear Us Apart.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2012 - 12:16 PM ET #7

    Loved Joy Division

    Like New Order
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    Loved Joy Division

    Like New Order
     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2012 - 8:46 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch1976:

    I've always been a fan. And I agree New Order ain't shit.

    About 5 yrs ago or so a movie came out called 'Control', about the band and death of Curtis. At the same time a Docu about the band came out. Both are worth a watch.

    They are both very good.  I found the docu more interesting then the movie.  Just listeneing to them "live in France 1979".  Raw, powerful and emotional.  New Order is for guppies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch1976:

    I've always been a fan. And I agree New Order ain't shit.

    About 5 yrs ago or so a movie came out called 'Control', about the band and death of Curtis. At the same time a Docu about the band came out. Both are worth a watch.

    They are both very good.  I found the docu more interesting then the movie.  Just listeneing to them "live in France 1979".  Raw, powerful and emotional.  New Order is for guppies.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2012 - 11:25 AM ET #9

    Love them both but I don't get how you can love JD but hate NO?

    Age of Consent.....one of the the best albums of all time and sounds like a natural evolution after JD.
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    Love them both but I don't get how you can love JD but hate NO?

    Age of Consent.....one of the the best albums of all time and sounds like a natural evolution after JD.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 2, 2012 - 12:38 AM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by Suckitup:

    Love them both but I don't get how you can love JD but hate NO?

    Age of Consent.....one of the the best albums of all time and sounds like a natural evolution after JD.
    Hate is a little strong, but disinterested might be more accurate.  Their music sounds dated to me now, whereas JD sounds like music that could have been created today.  What puzzles me is that Sumner, Hook and Morris were very talented musicians, so why would they cross over to the new wave synth sound?  There were hundreds of bands going in that direction (depeche mode being my fave)but i guess they sold a lot of albums and made tons of money so there's my answer.  Sumner is robotic and Curtis is naturally raw and emotional.  RIP I.C
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suckitup:

    Love them both but I don't get how you can love JD but hate NO?

    Age of Consent.....one of the the best albums of all time and sounds like a natural evolution after JD.
    Hate is a little strong, but disinterested might be more accurate.  Their music sounds dated to me now, whereas JD sounds like music that could have been created today.  What puzzles me is that Sumner, Hook and Morris were very talented musicians, so why would they cross over to the new wave synth sound?  There were hundreds of bands going in that direction (depeche mode being my fave)but i guess they sold a lot of albums and made tons of money so there's my answer.  Sumner is robotic and Curtis is naturally raw and emotional.  RIP I.C
     
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    Posted: Nov. 2, 2012 - 12:46 AM ET #11

    Shadowplay live (Les bains doucher) turns my intestines and then i feel like smashing things...but in a good way 
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    Shadowplay live (Les bains doucher) turns my intestines and then i feel like smashing things...but in a good way 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2012 - 9:21 PM ET #12

    Disorder is a killer tune. it is on the black JD LP. awesome band. never made it to the USA because singer killed himself 1 week before they were supposed to leave for a US tour. I even bought a '81 Rick 4001 bass guitar because that is what peter hook played in new order (cherry burst finish).
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    Disorder is a killer tune. it is on the black JD LP. awesome band. never made it to the USA because singer killed himself 1 week before they were supposed to leave for a US tour. I even bought a '81 Rick 4001 bass guitar because that is what peter hook played in new order (cherry burst finish).
     
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2012 - 9:52 AM ET #13

    One of the best topics on covers! Have been a huge JD fan ever since I saw the love will tear us apart video on city limits/muchmusic in the late 80's. Maybe the best post-punk group ever. Try to pick up their box set Heart and Soul which pretty much has everything they did. Am a rabid fan, buying bootlegs, books, anything I could get my hands on. Just added Ian Curtis's daughter Natalie on twitter yesterday. Their music is very dark and very powerful, many groups over the year have tried to emulate them, but never quite equaled it. Although groups like Editors and Interpol really tried. 24 hour party people was another movie that had the joy division story. Their second and last album Closer is one harrowing listen. Stuff like Heart and Soul, 24 hours are some of the bleakest things I have heard. Decades is maybe the darkest, the hair still raises on my neck when I hear it. It's a shame they never made it to North America, I wonder what would have happened. I love New Order as well, stuff like Temptation, Blue Monday and Bizarre Love triangle is some of the best synth/dance music ever made. You could see that JD were heading in that direction with Isolation. Ian loved Kraftwerk, so if he lived they might have gone in the same direction New Order did. There was no way he was going to keep putting darker music if he lived. But I do think his singing was more powerful than Bernard Sumner.

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    One of the best topics on covers! Have been a huge JD fan ever since I saw the love will tear us apart video on city limits/muchmusic in the late 80's. Maybe the best post-punk group ever. Try to pick up their box set Heart and Soul which pretty much has everything they did. Am a rabid fan, buying bootlegs, books, anything I could get my hands on. Just added Ian Curtis's daughter Natalie on twitter yesterday. Their music is very dark and very powerful, many groups over the year have tried to emulate them, but never quite equaled it. Although groups like Editors and Interpol really tried. 24 hour party people was another movie that had the joy division story. Their second and last album Closer is one harrowing listen. Stuff like Heart and Soul, 24 hours are some of the bleakest things I have heard. Decades is maybe the darkest, the hair still raises on my neck when I hear it. It's a shame they never made it to North America, I wonder what would have happened. I love New Order as well, stuff like Temptation, Blue Monday and Bizarre Love triangle is some of the best synth/dance music ever made. You could see that JD were heading in that direction with Isolation. Ian loved Kraftwerk, so if he lived they might have gone in the same direction New Order did. There was no way he was going to keep putting darker music if he lived. But I do think his singing was more powerful than Bernard Sumner.

     
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    Posted: May. 18, 2013 - 8:13 PM ET #14

    Today is the anniversary of Ian Curtis's death.  He took his own life on May 18 1980 at the tender age of 24. What a shame such a talent isn't with us anymore.  RIP my brother, there are many many people that appreciate and cherrish the way you moved them with your lyrics.  A humble listener 
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    Today is the anniversary of Ian Curtis's death.  He took his own life on May 18 1980 at the tender age of 24. What a shame such a talent isn't with us anymore.  RIP my brother, there are many many people that appreciate and cherrish the way you moved them with your lyrics.  A humble listener 
     
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    Posted: May. 21, 2013 - 11:00 AM ET #15

       i barely remember them.........there were a lot of similar sounds back in the 80's.

     Dangerbay......you mention being an audiophile. What kind of setup do you have?

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       i barely remember them.........there were a lot of similar sounds back in the 80's.

     Dangerbay......you mention being an audiophile. What kind of setup do you have?

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

       i barely remember them.........there were a lot of similar sounds back in the 80's.

     Dangerbay......you mention being an audiophile. What kind of setup do you have?

    Nothing special....Yamaha receiver and Bose speakers EVERYWHERE.  What I meant by audiophile was that I listen to just about anything but country music (which I have nothing against just not my cup of tea).  One day it might be Chicago house, next day Bauhaus followed by Selena Gomez (I have kids)  Lately been listening to Joy Division but strictly instrumental.  I really like Decades played loud.  Their music is simple but unbelievably good.  Give it a try
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

       i barely remember them.........there were a lot of similar sounds back in the 80's.

     Dangerbay......you mention being an audiophile. What kind of setup do you have?

    Nothing special....Yamaha receiver and Bose speakers EVERYWHERE.  What I meant by audiophile was that I listen to just about anything but country music (which I have nothing against just not my cup of tea).  One day it might be Chicago house, next day Bauhaus followed by Selena Gomez (I have kids)  Lately been listening to Joy Division but strictly instrumental.  I really like Decades played loud.  Their music is simple but unbelievably good.  Give it a try
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